Lions/Vikings Post-Game: Done Feeling Bad

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs."
-Gloria Clemente (Rosie Perez), White Men Can't Jump
I'll admit that after watching today's game between the Vikings and the Detroit Lions, my immediate reaction was a bit of embarassment. . .almost guilt. . .over the fact that the Vikings, for the second week in a row, had "won ugly." I even went so far as to go visit our friends at Pride of Detroit to tell them that they had gotten screwed over and probably deserved to win today's game. Don't get me wrong. . .statistically, the Vikings were the superior team. But, for some reason, it just didn't feel right to me that the Vikings came out on top this afternoon.
At first.
But the more I thought about it, I decided that there was absolutely no reason for me to feel bad about the fact that my favorite team had somehow managed to get themselves back to .500. Yes, they were supposed to destroy the Detroit Lions this afternoon. Yes, it was an ugly victory. Yes, the Lions are a bad football team that was playing a second or third-string quarterback that was making his first ever NFL start. Yes, the Vikings got the benefit of some pretty horrendous officiating calls. Yes, this means that Brad Childress more than likely won't be fired this week. . .and, believe me, nobody feels worse about that aspect of it than I do.
But the reality of the situation is that, as it stands now, we're part of a three-way tie for first place in the NFC North. And, yes, it was because of an "ugly win." Hell, do you think our division rivals in Chicago would have been happy with an "ugly win" today? I flipped back and forth between our game and the Bears/Falcons game, and I'll tell you. . .the Bears got slapped around the Georgia Dome pretty good this afternoon. Yet, with 11 seconds to go, the Bears had a 1-point lead and appeared to have a victory in hand. Minutes later, Jason Elam was hitting a 48-yard field goal and the Bears were leaving town with a 22-20 loss heading into next week's game.
Color me crazy, but I think Chicago fans would have been quite happy to "win ugly" today. If they had, they'd have first place in the division all to themselves. But as it stands now, like I said earlier, there's a three-way tie at the top of the NFC North.
Yes, the Packers beat Detroit by 23 points. Yes, the Bears beat Detroit by 27 points. And the Vikings beat the Lions by 2 points. But, guess what? At the end of the day, they each only count for one win.
And as far as the officiating goes? We're Viking fans. . .we forfeited the need to apologize for actually getting calls from the referees about five seconds after Drew Pearson pushed off. Yeah, we got some calls. If we get every big call for two decades straight to go our way like some teams *cough*Packers*cough*, then maybe I'll feel compelled to apologize. Until then, fat chance.
We can go over some of the negatives during the course of the week. . .and, believe me, they were numerous. But what were some of the positive things that we can take away from today's game?
Well, for starters, how's about that Bernard Berrian fellow, huh? Not only was he part of the second-longest pass play in Minnesota Viking history today with his 86-yard pitch-and-catch with Gus Frerotte, but over the course of the past couple of weeks, it looks like he's finally starting to justify that paycheck he's been getting since March. In his last two games, Berrian has 11 catches for 241 yards and two touchdowns. That's an average of a cool 21.9 yards per catch. He was brought in to stretch the field, and to this point, that's finally what he's doing. If he can continue doing that, this offense should improve. . .well, if the play calling gets any better, that is.
(By the way, does anyone out there know who was involved in the longest pass play in Minnesota Vikings' history? Answer at the end of the post.)
Speaking of guys living up to their billing, where has this Kevin Williams been for the past couple of seasons? The best all-around defensive tackle in football was credited with four of the Vikings' six sacks of Dan Orlovsky this afternoon, including one on the final play of the game when the Lions were attempting to get a last-second Hail Mary accomplished. Williams now has six sacks total on the season. . .which is twice as many as he had in all of 2007 and almost as many as he had in '06 and '07 combined. The interior line of the Lions had absolutely no answer for #93 this afternoon. . .he kicked people's tails in the rushing game, he kicked people's tails in the passing game, and showed the kind of explosion and quickness that we haven't seen since his first couple of years in the NFL.
Adrian Peterson got back on track this week after a couple of, by his standards, down weeks. He averaged five yards a carry and went over 100 yards after a couple of weeks below the century mark. However, he really, REALLY needs to work on that whole "holding on to the football" thing. AP might be the greatest back in the league, but losing two fumbles in one game deep in opposing territory is unacceptable. Going into a game against a team as notorious for stripping the ball as the Bears are, #28 is going to have to put in a lot of time at practice focusing on that aspect of his game this week.
And congratulations to Gus Frerotte, who became a member of the 20,000 passing yard club this week. He needed 174 yards going into today's game, and he passed that during Berrian's big TD catch-and-run. Surprisingly, Frerotte almost broke the Vikings dry spell of games without a 300-yard passer, and in the fourth quarter had actually gotten to 301 yards passing.
Then, in typical "kick ass offense" fashion, Frerotte threw a swing pass to Adrian Peterson. . .that lost five yards. That loss put Frerotte at 296 yards for the afternoon, and he never got back above 300. So, as it stands now, the Vikings' last 300-yard passing performance still belongs to Daunte Culpepper, who put up exactly 300 yards on 25 September 2005 against the New Orleans Saints.
Over three full calendar years without a 300-yard passing performance. Yeesh.
That's all for tonight, folks. . .more on today's game over the course of the day tomorrow.
Oh, and as far as the answer to the above question, the longest pass play in Vikings history took place back 11 November 1962 against the Chicago Bears. It was an 89-yard connection between Fran Tarkenton and Charley Ferguson. Unfortunately, the Beloved Purple lost that one to the Bears 31-30 on a late field goal by Chicago's Jim LeClerc. Ferguson had 3 receptions that day for 130 yards, and all 3 of his catches went for touchdowns.
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Good post Gonzo...
I still feel like punching Chili in the nutsack, but I’m appreciating the win a bit more…
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by mutleyil on Oct 12, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, don't get me wrong
I can’t stand the guy, either. . .but I wanted to spend at least a little bit of time feeling good about the victory.
I’ll be back to ripping Childress before too much longer. (-:
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by Gonzo on Oct 12, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly feels good
The team and fans needed two ugly wins but it will be tempting fate to believe the Vikings can do the same against the Bears next week in Chicago. We all can only hope that whatever it is that makes this team play inconsistantly and off-kilter can be fixed in a week. Will Childress find some fire or any understanding of to how to motivate a professional group of players who seem destined to perform below their collective and individual talent level? We, the fans are holding our collective breath.
by TexasViking on Oct 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I forgot!
Hooray for the Arizona Cardinals; how sweet it was!
by TexasViking on Oct 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugghhh. My girlfriend is a Bears’ fan. I’m definitely not looking forward to next week. Especially if we get our ass kicked like I’m expecting. Of course, I was expecting an ass kicking from the Chargers last season and we saw how that turned out. But I doubt we’ll have another good game like that. Childress seems pretty intent on scoring as few points as possible to pull away with a victory.
by Frost on Oct 12, 2008 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you forgot to mention that Longwell kicked his 300th field goal too. PS: Herron is out? Great. Wish we hadn’t cut Alexander now.
by Frost on Oct 12, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alexander is on the practice squad and will be brought up very soon IMO.
A win is a win is a win.
On a sader note, the Bombers look to no longer remain undefeated. A moment of silence please………………………….
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by Unclebillybonz on Oct 12, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent job Gonzo.
But I have one typo:
“Yet, with 11 seconds to go, the Bears had a 1-point lead and appeared to have a victory in hand. Minutes later, Jason Elam was hitting a 48-yard field goal…”
With 11 seconds to go…minutes later…
Doesn’t quite work out, does it? Haha, you know I’m just messing, Gonzo. Nice work.
And props to you for taking the high road in your recap. In my blog I couldn’t stay away from the negatives.
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by Andersklasen on Oct 12, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, "minutes" of real time
We all know that the last 30 seconds of a sporting event can take forever. (-:
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by Gonzo on Oct 12, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
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by Andersklasen on Oct 13, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt get to watch the game
But doesnt seem like I missed too much KAO will prolly miss the next game too.Lets hope ole Ziggy really has a brain and realizes that Chilly aint for this team.I know I aint upset over a bad call that went our way for a win.Seen too many bad calls that cost us a win or a playoff spot.Have a good week peeps, battling snow here and 12 hour shifts, hopefully will get to vwatch game on tuesday,till then peeps Purple thoghts eh.
by speedlod on Oct 12, 2008 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Will Never Root Against the Vikings
But Childress on the other hand is a different story. Bottom line, regardless of how many feel good wins we have, we’re going no where fast with Brad Childress. Fire Childress chants were the best part of the game.
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by BMNFAN on Oct 12, 2008 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
these lucky wins are just prolonging the misery. I think it is in the best interests of the team to lose these games so we can get on with the business of changing coaches. If Minnesota sneaks into the playoffs we are all doomed to another year of this junk.
p.s. is it just my imagination or did brian westbrook’s career really take off when childress left? Hopefully we can get someone in here who knows how to use an elite running back.
by betterman91 on Oct 12, 2008 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IM soryy without chilli, vikings are 0-6
chilly is the man, he is out coaching teams to win games
by Canadian_viking on Oct 13, 2008 2:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sweet dude
can I order a kilo of whatever that tasty herb is you’re tokin?
I’d like to put it on my pizza….then when I’m watching the Vikings Offensive Abortion every Sunday, I’ll think we’re doing really good….
and when that #28 guy fumbles the ball away again, it will look cool
by Hilton Head viking on Oct 13, 2008 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm when the Vikings lose you usually write a good detailed article hitting all the points but reading this article I didn’t see you mention the Vikings kicking a field goal instead of going for 2? That was the bonehead play..
by Zoxide on Oct 13, 2008 5:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said earlier
I’m getting to the negative stuff. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
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by Gonzo on Oct 13, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I am sure we won’t.
If there is one thing that I have learned is it is that the gonzo calls them like like they are.
but I can add one positive to the game…….it is nice seeing the receivers catch the ball on the move it is remarkable how much easier it is to get the all important yac if the guy is moving when he catches the ball
by vikeincheeseland on Oct 13, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I was disappointed in the win yesterday too, but then I woke up this morning and I realized that this game could be a deciding factor at teh end of the season. If it means a playoff berth, I’ll take the sloppy win over the loss anyday.
by Frost on Oct 13, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugly Win Dynamics
It’s OK to win ugly when you’re playing a good team. We were playing the Lions, the worst team in football. A team that had been blown out by both Chicago and Green Bay. I would also mention that we were playing at home except that our fans hate Childress so much (with good reason) they are so quick to boo that might be a disadvantage.
I take Vikings losses hard, and a Purple win puts a spring in my step. Yesterdays game did nothing for me either way.
The fact that we needed the officials to help us beat up on a severely handicapped team gives me no satisfaction, but the Lions are an NFL team so it is incumbent on them to find a way to win. They didn’t so the victory fell into our lap.
Sigh. . . When will the Chili era end?
Fire Childress!
by dwarg on Oct 13, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even though the vikes qon, it almost feels like a loss to me
we should have killed the lions, some college teams can beat them right now! and to have to kick a gw field goal with 10 seconds left against the worst team in football without their starting QB is just not acceptable in my books
when you think .500 is the best a team can do and they are currently playing in the ALCS for a chance to advance to the WS, you have to stop and think that the future of that team is going to be amazing. GO TB RAYS!
by RaysOfHope on Oct 13, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG! The Vikies are lik LOL! Taint!
Seriously, I know we won and everything, and that I should probably be happier…but.
The negatives (because I’m in a crap mood):
- We gave up FIVE sacks to one of the worst defenses in the league.
- We outscored Detroit by 2 measly points (although we were favored to win by 14+ points).
- Peterson fumbled 3 times, twice in the red zone, twice recovered by Detroit. Not good at all.
- If Longwell hadn’t made the winning FG, we would’ve LOST to the Detroit (frickin) Lions!
- Also safe to assume if Longwell had missed that FG, Childress would be trying out kickers this week…
- The Vikings failed to score on their first 8 drives of the game. Unacceptable and unbelievable.
The (few) positives:
- Kevin Williams recorded 4 sacks…by…him…self. He deserves the “Antoine Winfield Defensive Terrorizer of the Week” trophy, in my opinion.
- Jared Allen also recorded 1 sack (about time!) and also made the difference while pursuing Orlovsky, forcing him to commit a safety, almost unknowingly (hilariously).
- Berrian is finally being put to good use, making plays, running like the wind.
- Frerotte threw for 301 yds (although finished with 296 yds for the day). Those are Jay Cutler numbers (which is good – or good enough at least).
A few extra observations.
The Vikings need to start utilizing the passing game much more, now that Frerotte has proven he can throw the ball safely to players on his own team. Frerotte has also proven that he can take some pretty severe punishment, and remain intact – which is important because it shows that he can be a consistent leader with alot of toughness – something a certain other Vikings QB lacks.
I also think if the Vikings can be more consistent on at least trying some more 4WR or even some 5WR formations, they could really mess with the opposing teams’ gameplan. It seems fairly obvious that opposing teams are basing their game plans around stopping Adrian Peterson, containing the run, and just defending a shorter field (because “the Vikings cannot throw the ball” – I’ve heard it a million times from just about every Packer fan).
So.
Why not stretch an opposing defense with a good 4WR formation on a second down (when they fully expect a nice, safe, run play)?
This is why I have a general problem with Childress. His play calling is too predictable, and he’s not utilizing the talent that the Vikings have. Instead he’s playing it safe, handing the ball to Adrian, throwing a TE slant in there once in a while, and calling it good enough to get into FG range.
It’s enough to drive a Vikings fan crazy!
Additionally: Brad Childress’s (ESPN) approval rating is currently 15%.
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by AustinVike on Oct 13, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Few Humble Observations...
1) Right now the Vikings look much more like an Air Coryell offense than a Bill Walsh one. This is definitely welcome, as they’re just not built to dink-and-dunk it down the field, never have been, and maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff is finally waking up and realizing you play to your personnel, not your wacky schemes. I think Jackson would be better served playing this way, as well (although he’d need to hang in the pocket better while things developed downfield). That said, there still doesn’t seem to be much flow to the offense (can anybody recall a single offensive possession during the Childress era where you thought the offense was really executing or flowing, outside of a huge Peterson run?). We’ll see. If/when Sidney Rice returns, it could get better.
2) The Vikings offensive line is overrated. Q: How many sacks did the Lions have coming into this game? A: 4. 4 in 4 games, and they rolled up 5 on the Vikes. Granted, a lot of that was due to packing the box (teams still aren’t worrying themselves about the passing attack, which could partially explain some of the success Frerrotte’s finding downfield), but still, the line’s a big concern. Why commentator’s seemingly hype it every broadcast is a mystery (although it probably has something to do with Peterson’s explosion on the league).
3) I feel bad for Aundrae Allison. Last week he ran a beautiful route deep, had his guy beat, and was prepared to haul in his first career TD catch, on MNF, but got Bogarted by Berrian. Yesterday he had a good reception negated by penalty, and then had his guy beat on that last bogus interference call that gave the Vikes the game. Now, drawing the “penalty” was big, but it would have been nice to see him haul it in and run. Perhaps he’s close to breaking out, which would be big. Before long, we could have Berrian and Rice with Allison in the slot. That’s actually got potential to be pretty explosive.
4) The Vikes still look to be one D-lineman short of a good front four. Kevin Williams had a monster day, and Jared Allen got a gift wrapped sack courtesy of the OB forgetting about that whole “out of bounds” thing, but they still seem to be less than formidable. Don’t get me wrong, they’re improved from last year. They don’t need to rely on linebacker blitzes anymore, and while Allen’s well off his pace from previous years (and I’d say disappointing, considered they gave up 3 picks and a couple trucks full of money for the guy), at least he’s providing better presence than they got last year. But I still think they have trouble providing consistent pressure. I think it’s time they really consider either giving Edwards job to Robison, or at the very least make those two more of a 50-50 platoon. Edwards has all the tools in the world to be a really good defensive end, but as was the knock on him coming out of Purdue, he just doesn’t seem to play as well as he “should,” given his size, strength, speed, etc. Robison’s a little similar in that he’s more impressive as an athlete than as a football player, but in very limited time last year the guy did get 4.5 sacks, making him one of the Vikes more productive lineman on a per-minute basis. And you don’t have to worry about Robison’s motor.
by jianfu on Oct 13, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll respond point by point
1. Agreed. The Vikings can play a more spread out offense with Gus as the QB. Childress and Bevell just dont feel comfortable calling it. They get all sweaty palms and immediately go back to a “safe” 1WR tight power run offense…..that immediately gets stuffed because the other team spent all weak scheming against it. Its horribly obvious that we are mostly a 1 dimensional offense. Childork needs to just accept it that in the modern NFL, your offense needs to be just as successful passing as it is running. That you can use the run to set up the pass and VICE VERSA and you can do it interchangeably within a single game. Just look at the Patriots.
2. Correction – the right side of our line is god awful and it makes the whole O line look bad. How many Ryan Cook and Adam Herrera holding penalties and blown pass blocks can this team allow before it becomes apparent that we need to replace them.
3. Allison is decent and last year he looked like he’s this close to breaking out. This year looks like a different story. That having been said, they arent utilizing him properly. Childress must have it out for him because they keep putting him in high percentage failure situations. Throwing the go route to him on 3rd and 2 right before half-time? The other problem is that he’s not getting a lot of opportunities to start with since we dont have more that 2 recievers on the field most of the time. Allison is zone breaker. He’s not a speedster but he’s also not a big bodied possession guy. He’s a moderate speed guy thats good at sitting down in the soft spot of a zone, running the quick out or running the slot post.
4. Kevin Williams is having a monster time because he’s benefitting from the “second banana effect”. Prior to Jared Allen KW was “the man” the stop. So every team put two guys (or one plus a quick chip) on him every play. That led to Pat Williams being such a monster the last two years. Now this year, the Vikes bring in the reigning sack leader – and that has drawn attention away from KW who as, as you said, has not been producing the numbers. But thats it, he’s not been producing numbers but he’s been huge at soaking up defenders to stuff the run. With Jared Allen drawing attention, KW is no longer that key guy to stop and that leaves the Williams boys in more one on one matchups where they can dominate. Add onto that again, Jared Allen flying wide off the edge, the QB is forced to step up…..into Kevin’s waiting arms. My final thought on the subject is that Robison is imho really good. He needs more opportinuities. He should be the starter, not edwards imho. One of KW’s sacks was the result of Robison blowing up a play from the DT spot.
by Hoss-Drone on Oct 13, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I’ll concede your point #2: The right side of the line making the rest look worse. (And someone explain why they even keep running right when they’re in the “establishing the run” phase of the contest?) I think the pass protection has been a little suspect this year, although McKinney’s been better than I thought coming back. I thought he’d take a couple weeks to get up to speed, and he’s not there yet, but he’s been effective simply riding his guy out of the play, particularly yesterday. Also, the pass pro could be the result of Frerrotte, a pure pocket guy who’s willing to wait and take hits while things develop downfield.
Your observations on Williams are strong and point to how much of a team game this is. Most real good teams have one guy on each level who can raise the play of his teammates (i.e., off the top of my head Dungy’s Bucs had Sapp up front, Brooks at the second level, and Lynch/Barber/Abraham in the secondary. It makes it a lot easier to fill in the blanks that way.) I have little doubt you’re correct in saying Allen is helping KW, and vice versa. That being said, I still maintain they’re one guy short from being a consistently good front four, and the weak link is clearly Edwards. I really don’t know why he gets so much playing time at the expense of Robison (I’m guessing it’s because of his better size). I agree that Robison looks promising. I’m not saying he’s the answer or anything, but as I said, I don’t see how playing at least a platoon could hurt at that spot.
by jianfu on Oct 13, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly win? Yes. Definatley an ugly win but I’ll take it because after much thought I have to ask the question: Was it really an ugly win because the Vikings played so horrible or was it the fact that Detroit actually came to play?? They have been beat bad in their other games this year which makes one think that with the talent we have we should beat them soundly too but I’m going to give the motor city kitties some credit for the game they put together yesterday. They played tough. They played like a desperate team that was looking for a win. I for one am thankful we pulled out the W.
The only thing I can give and still keep is my word.
by Rooster7 on Oct 13, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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