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Got an interesting e-mail not more than half an hour ago from one of you fine readers out there.  I'm not going to throw their name out here or anything like that (they can feel free to identify themselves if they like), but I am going to share the e-mail with you, because I think it's something that needs to be discussed.  And it can apply not only to the Vikings, but to sports in general.  Here's the e-mail, uncut, right from my Inbox.

I read Mark Craig's blog about Vikings fans yesterday for the Strib web site. He took shots at Vikings fans for being hard on Childress.
 
It seems the boos on Childress has took a life out of its own as it has become a sports radio topic fodder and it become a story in the Twin Cities newspapers. I am not sure why it's an issue. To me, I had no problem with the Metrodome fans booing Childress. Childress has earned his boos. This is a coach that promised disciplined and organization in his introductory press conference not to mention this coach decided to take shots at Mike Tice's leadership in the day that he took the job. This is a coach that has talked about his offense as "Kick-Ass Offense" This is a coach that wasted a year or two of the veterans' whose clock is ticking to win a championship by throwing Tarvaris Jackson out there. This team has been unwatchable under Childress. This is a coach who seems confused often in the sidelines (see that game against the Saints on Monday Night Football)
 
I have been one of those critics that have been on Tim Brewster, but after Saturday's impressive victory against Illinois, Brewster has earned the respect of the fans and critics such as me. Childress has not earned it.
 
For Mark Craig (I actually enjoyed reading him in the Strib) and anyone to tell us how to behave and such was uncalled for.
 
I don't blame anyone for booing Childress. I have not been happy with his body of work. The fact that Mike Tice is being now looked as a great coach with the Vikings says a lot about how bad Childress is. If I have to give a grade of Childress' work in his two and a half years, it would be D right now.
 
Childress may be the worst coach this franchise ever had. That's saying something.
 
It takes a lot for Minnesotans to boo. It's about time Minnesotans stop acting like Minnesota Nice and act like a big-time sports town, and it was about time on Sunday.
 
What's your take on Mark Craig's rant and what was your take on the fans' behavior on Sunday?

Star-divide

The Mark Craig column in question can be seen here.

To be honest, I've never had a problem with fans at sporting events conducting themselves in any manner that they see fit.  With the price of tickets at sporting events these days, I can totally understand the justification of those that would say that they're entitled to their own behavior.  Just don't go throwing your beer on me or involving me in your behavior, and things will be fine.

On a personal level, I don't get overly worked up when I attend a sporting event live, largely for exactly the same reason.  If I'm going to pay for decent seats, spend the insane prices that the stadium authorities charge for food and souvenirs and stuff, I'd like to generally try to make the experience as positive as possible.  That was, at least, a small part of why I didn't attend the game in New Orleans a couple of weeks back.  Sure, I could have gotten a ticket in the $40-50 range, but it would have required the services of a sherpa, two mountain goats, and an oxygen tank to get to my seat, not to mention the gas I would have burned on the 180-mile round trip from my house to New Orleans.  When the alternative was sitting back in my recliner (or, as I spent most of the game, live-blogging with all of you folks) watching my 65" HDTV with a six-pack of Mountain Dew in the fridge, the choice was pretty simple.

Don't get me wrong. . .in my house, as those that have ever been brave enough to watch Vikings games with me will attest, I will swear, I will throw things, and I will get all kinds of angry.  I can't bring myself to do that sort of thing at the stadium.  Why?  Because going to a sporting event is supposed to be an experience, as I said earlier.  A positive experience.  As I've recounted on this site before, my dad, two of my brothers, and I were fortunate enough to attend Game 7 of the 1991 World Series.  As great as the game was. . .and it IS still the greatest game of the greatest World Series in baseball history, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. . .one of the lasting memories I have of the whole thing isn't connected to the game in any meaningful way.  No, one of the things i remember is the guy that sat a couple of rows in front of us that wound up getting so drunk that, by the time the game was over, he couldn't even walk down the stairs of the Dome.  Sufficient to say, he conducted himself like a jackass the entire night.

Personally. . .I don't want to be that guy.  There's no benefit to being that guy.

That's my personal take on the subject.  Unlike Mark Craig, I'm not going to tell you how to conduct yourself.  The majority of people that read this site are big boys and big girls, and they can conduct themselves in whatever way makes them feel happy.  If you want to boo Brad Childress and call him names and threaten to shoot his dog, if it makes you feel better in some way, then by all means, that's entirely up to you.  Hell, I've done that in the privacy of my home before. . .except the dog-shooting part.

(Okay. . .please, please, PLEASE don't do the dog-shooting thing.  Don't threaten it, and definitely don't follow up on it.  This isn't Green Bay.)

But, in the end, you have to answer to yourself.  If you can live with your conduct and any potential consequences, then go crazy.  I won't tell you not to.

I certainly hope that all made sense. . .I'm still knocking back NyQuil shots over here like I'm Amy Winehouse or something.  I'll revisit this in the morning, and if clarification is necessary, I'll do it at that time.  Until then, enjoy the rest of your Wednesday night, ladies and gentlemen!

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I agree that fans should behave themselves at games, but that doesn’t include unconditionally supporting the team or its decisions. I have dished out plenty of “constructive” criticism while attending my teams games but always within “PG” bounds.

I agree with the fans chanting “fire Childress” because he needs to be fired immediately. There are plenty of high school teams with better offensive game plans than what childress brings.

I’m sorry your WS experience was marred by a drunk jerk, but to me it was ruined when the Twins beat my Braves ;)

Also, shooting dogs seems more like bears fans than packers fans to me, but that could be because I lived in Chicago for 16 years and have a special hatred for bears fans.

BTW thanks for hosting this site, I was getting withdrawal when live or die went off-line

by vikedawg on Oct 15, 2008 10:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have to agree

But like the players are accountable to for their actions on and off the playing field so are the fans.I dont think booing and chants of fire childress now are unacceptable behavior.Those acting like Pacman would be considered unacceptable and should be called on.Childress has earned his rewards and should be interesting to see how B.J. does in the Cowboys next game,if he does well the next 3 games might be further proof that the KOA sucks and no QB can run it.

by speedlod on Oct 16, 2008 1:54 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh

“It takes a lot for Minnesotans to boo. It’s about time Minnesotans stop acting like Minnesota Nice and act like a big-time sports town, and it was about time on Sunday.”

Sure. Let’s just act like the average idiotic sports fans out there. Go ahead an boo the team you supposedly love.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Oct 16, 2008 8:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on point

my view also….why boo the Head Coach, when we are basically powerless to do anything….If ownership can’t see the problems, then there’s nothing that can done…

the chants and boos, while giving a message that fan’s aren’t supportive, with begin to have a negative effect on the players themselves…

once again, we’re 3-3 and tied for the division lead…..doesn’t matter how we got there…..support the team, and the coaching problems will take care of themselves

by Hilton Head viking on Oct 16, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

You are absolutely 110% wrong. We are the fans. Professional sports die without us. Saying we are powerless is the same as admitting we are powerless with our government. It is never a good idea to roll over and say no harm no foul. Chanting “Fire Childress” at the game, which I was at and I did, is the professional sports equivalent of a peaceful protest. There is no swearing. People got their points across. All in all, probably the most effective thing to do with an owner who takes his news from Minnesota talk radio in New York and is only in Minnesota for the games; that is when we have to let him now, when he’s here.

by DarkWalker25 on Oct 16, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really

if you think for a moment that ownership doesn’t know the coaching situation, then you’ll be equally surprised when I tell you that there is no Santa Claus….do you actually think that Wilf listens to the air bags on sports talk radio? Come on….I can guarantee you that Mr. Wilf does know the situation, and has probably already sent out feelers to prospective coaching replacements….my point is that the booing and the “messages” being sent will begin to rub on the players themselves….

to add to the players point of view, sure, they love the attention, and the stardom, but I would bet that the majority of them really don’t give a crap about what the fans think…just the nature of the sport

by Hilton Head viking on Oct 17, 2008 5:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I don’t think it takes much for Minnesotans to boo. At all. I understand everyone’s upset by the coaching, but even when a good in-game decision is made, if it falls flat, out come the boobirds. In recent years, booing has been pretty liberal. I remember in ’06 when everyone was booing Brad Johnson so bad he nearly cried.

So, no, it doesn’t take much to make Minnesotans boo the Vikings.

by Frost on Oct 16, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it wrong to criticize Childress?

I was reading Sid “Grandpa Sports” Hartman’s piece on sharing the Gophers stadium and stumbled on this blurb. I about shot coffee all over my computer.


Unfair to Childress

The situation at the Metrodome on Sunday, when a group of fans were screaming “Fire [Vikings coach Brad] Childress,” is the type of incident that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is trying to combat. He is trying to create a better atmosphere at NFL stadiums. All NFL teams have a fan code of conduct that allows those at games to have a good time without going over the boundary of decent behavior.

No doubt many of those fans had consumed enough alcohol, and stadiums on a typical Sunday can be the scene of fights and plenty of ugly insults.

The gall of either Goodell to say that fans can’t criticize a coach like this, or at least Sid believing that blows my mind. We do not live in some sort of dictatorship yet where the authorities can dictate what can be said or not said. Then to blame it on the alcohol is another thing. I’m sure not everybody yelling “FIRE CHILDRESS!” was drinking. You can be perfectly sober and see that he sucks as a Vikings head coach. Sid then goes on with the “could have beens” about the record, but the fans can do the same thing making Childress’ incompetence even more apparent. Oh, but we can’t criticize, yeah right! Where is that in the fan code of behavior?

It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.

by Luft Krigare on Oct 16, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blurb

This is a particularly interesting blurb:

At this point, the Wilf family is very content with the coaching job done by Childress. The owners, not those fans who know nothing about football, will decide the future of the coach.

Wow. Are they trying to create a firestorm?

by AustinVike on Oct 16, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's your point, Gonzo?

Are you trying to equate a drunken slob at the World Series game you attended with fans at a regular season game fed up with a pompous, condescending, underacheiving coach?

Fans were just about out of patience with Childress BEFORE the season started. Now, with his T-Jack flip-flop, giving up with 2 mintes left vs. the Titans, throwing Kluwe under the bus, the uninspired perormance vs. the Lions, including the very questionable 2-point decision, his continued failure to own up to his own mistakes, fans have had enough.

I was not at the game, and don’t know how nasty or profane things got. I certainly don’t endorse R-rated behavior (or worse). I’m all for being positive, and have been so for the vast majority of my time as a Vikings fan. But not pollyanna positive. Not I’m-going-to-cheer-no-matter-what positive. It seems to me that the booing on Sunday was not fueled by alcohol, but by 2+ years of pent-up frustration with a coach who has done incredibly little to earn our confidence or respect.

If and when things improve (i.e.: we show a pulse on offense) I’m quite certain the fans will let up. If they don’t, I hope the booing continues, as it seems to have finally gotten the message across.

by mavikesfan on Oct 16, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this reminds me of two things...

The first…

You know, before I start I just have to say that there is a guy outside my window making chimp noises. Jesus christ…lol.

Okay, the first is an incident I can recall back from my college days at the University of North Dakota. As some of you may know, UND was given a gift by Ralph Engelstad (a former UND goalie turned casino tycoon) to build a new Ralph Engelstad Arena. The finished arena was/is incredible – way nicer than the Xcel center.

But the atmosphere was completely different. It used to be that student fans at the UND hockey games were some of the rowdiest fans in college hockey, but after this arena was built – it seemed to be stressed that that would change. The atmosphere would be more “kid and family friendly”.

A few friends of mine went to a game at the new arena, and when the “kid cam” panned down to their section, they proceeded to give the camera the bird. Which was then shown in all it’s 12 foot glory on the jumbo screens on the scoreboard for everyone in the arena (and on TV) to see.

As it turns out, their conduct got them banned from the arena. When they tried to come to another game at the arena, they were turned away at the door. When they asked why, they were given directions to meet with the school athletic director, who presented them with a picture of the incident (which was broadcast for everyone to see). Which was promptly framed, and displayed above the bar at their apartment…

The point of this story: What’s to stop something like this from happening at the Metrodome? And is it even worth the trouble for those involved?

I happen to enjoy watching people make fools of themselves at sporting events, as long as it doesn’t directly harm anyone else (i.e. fighting, threatening). And I also think that if you bring a child to a sporting event, that they should be prepared to see or hear something that isn’t going to be “age-appropriate”.

Maybe even take a second to say: “Kids, alot of the people at this game are going to be using curse words because they don’t like Coach Childress…BUT it’s still not okay for you to say these words! Daddy loves you.”

It’s either this scenario, or you leave your children at home in their cages to live their sheltered lives.

I happen to be of the opinion that everyone should lay off Childress until the Vikings either:

  1. Miss the playoffs
  2. Lose two or more in a row

I know, this may not be exactly what some Vikings fans want to hear. They want to scream, shout, and run Childress out of town – I feel the same way sometimes.

But I also think that if the Vikings are to have a serious shot at making the playoffs, they really don’t need the distraction. Especially with a huge game coming up in Chicago.

The last thing is that we all know the Vikings are capable of great things against great opponents. Look back to last year – the dismantling of San Diego and Chicago – two good teams (although I despise both of them greatly) who fell to the axe.

Now is not the time for division. It’s the time for unity – if only to take care of a hated rival.

by AustinVike on Oct 16, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also...

If we do happen to lose badly in Chicago – then forget everything I’ve just said.

My prediction – another close one: Vikings 19, Bears 16

Longwell FG in the closing minute.
Chester Taylor passes for 102yds. :)

by AustinVike on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree with the e-mailer on one point...

“It takes a lot for Minnesotans to boo. It’s about time Minnesotans stop acting like Minnesota Nice and act like a big-time sports town, and it was about time on Sunday.”

This is absolutely true no matter how much we don’t want to admit it. You wanna know why we are so championship deprived here in Minny? We aren’t hard enough on our teams, plain and simple. Although I don’t know that Childress deserves all of what he’s gotten, I am glad to see Minnesota sports fans up in arms for once.

The only criticism of this e-mail for me is the whole Tim Brewster part. I too did not think he was going to be able to do what he’s done this year and I’m thoroughly impressed. This makes me wonder what everyone will be saying if the Vikes roll off 3 or 4 more wins in a row here….? I definitely think we need to see how the year plays out instead of creating an unstable environment by firing Chilly midseason.

by skiumah06 on Oct 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I choose to wait...

To see if The Vikings make the playoffs. If not, thats when Childress will make his run from the great state of Minnesota. As much as we all seem to want him gone right now, we all know that won’t happen until the end of the season. So I agree in trying to support our team as hard as it is sometimes this season. I look at it this way and it does help… Just like when I am on the golf course, if I have one great putt or one monster drive that stays straight down the middle of the fairway, it makes a bad game just a little better. I may be the old guy on this comments page only because I can say I have watched the Vikings lose 4 Superbowls, and does anybody remember The Drill Sargent Les Steckle? When I think back to those days things right now don’t seem quite as bad. If there are no EXTRA games this year… it will go along way in helping to forget the old days. So I choose to wait and Cheer for my team, and look for that one play that makes a bad game better.

by VikingEric on Oct 16, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be clear...

…it’s not that I want to boo, but would certainly do so if the same problems crop up again. Obviously, if good and, god forbid, exciting things happen, I would cheer as loudly and as positively as anyone.

To all of you expressing the sentiment that cheering helps the team, chanting “Fire Childress” hurts the team: Have you considered the possibility that the team could be better, right now, this year, with a different head coach? That the players may well be as fed up as the fans? Doesn’t the average Vikings fan believe this team is desparately underacheiving? Don’t you feel the window of opportunity closing?

I reject the notion that changing coaches mid-season would make things worse. What are you waiting to see before you conclude that we’re going NOWHERE with Coach Childress?

by mavikesfan on Oct 16, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nowhere Childress

I agree mavikesfan, Childress needs to go. My point is, He won’t be fired during the season (unfortunately). The Vikings management, I believe just won’t do it during the season. So we Vikings fans either have to make the best of it for now or be miserable talking and bitching about it. I personally, as I said before choose to wait to see what happens at the end of the season. Reguardless of what happens I was born and raised in The Great State Of Minnesota and will always stick by My Home Teams no matter who the coaches and players are. But as I said I Do Agree with what you have posted. As I do agree with what most people have posted. Here’s a thought… Wouldn’t it be great if the Vikings made the playoffs, did well and then they fire Childress! That would make my season!

by VikingEric on Oct 16, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, VikingEric

I don’t think management will make a change midseason either. I can always dream, though…

I will always cheer the Vikes, but reserve the right to scream at the Coach through my television.

I will also hope from the dream scenario you describe: Vikes make the playoffs AND Childress is fired.

by mavikesfan on Oct 16, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok so we wait

Till the Vikes get into the playoffs Chilly looks lost in regular season games cant wait to see the horror on his face then.Or maybe Chilly is just waiting to unleash his KOA in the playoffs to surprise the teams,yea thats it ,Chilly is a sly one.
Did everyone see how the Saints used Bush,the gutsy play calling,they was always in the game.Can we really say that if the Vikes was down 21 points that we are still in the game.HMM in Sundays game chilly will run to the right,dink a pass for 4 yards, on the next play needing 2 yards we will shoot a long 30 yard pass play..No screen plays to A.D. no coming out passing, no imaginative game calling, no using players strengths just gotta prove his offense works.
Thats why the Boos and fire Chilly now.We are going on 3 years on a so called offensive Guru that takes what 5 years to get his players to learn his plays.

by speedlod on Oct 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever guys

The thing is, you might think you’re just booing our stupid coach. But if you don’t think it’s going to affect the players, you’re dead wrong. There is a reason why the home team wins 65% of the time. Football is an emotional game and if your own fans aren’t behind you, 100%, you’re not going to play to your best ability. We are hurting our home team advantage right now.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Oct 16, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on!

I don’t mind people booing the coach either.

I have only attended one Viking game, which was a preseason game against Kansas City in 2003.

Even though the Vikings were losing, and losing badly, I had a good time. I got some good old fashioned hollering in, but nothing that was obscene as my 11 year old niece as well as some other kids were in the area.

It was actually me, who was calming my 11 year old niece down by the end of the game which I thought was pretty funny.

I would imagine some of the people booing have been to many Viking games over the years and just can’t quite take it anymore. I know it’s hard to take it from the general vicinity of my couch (Anyone that knows me, knows I don’t sit down during games!) God only knows what I would do after spending mucho bucks on tickets over the years.

The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!

by BaldViking on Oct 16, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D-bag

The biggest problem with Childress is that he’s a douchebag. You can’t act aloof unless you really have a stellar record. If you are losing, you have to let the fans know that you are doing something to improve it and that it bothers you. That being said I think his playing calling could use some work.

by keomr on Oct 16, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chili deserves to be booed!!

Why wait to miss the playoffs? In the last 2 1/2 years we know that he does not understand the public aspects of his job, we know he is a poor judge of talent, we know he is a bad decision maker on the sideline, we know he can’t make adjustments during the game-thus it is common to win the first half and lose the second half, and we know that he is to stubborn to ever learn anything.

We know enough to fire him immediately. It is a foolish waste of time to keep him around.

Another tradgedy in this Chili fiasco is that we really don’t know if Bevel or Tjak are any good. Being coached by Chili and running his “Sorry Ass Offense” means that Tjak has never had a chance to show us if he can get the job done.

Since coming to Minnesota Chili has ruined the reputation of at least 4 quarterbacks and I think that Gus will be lucky to avoid the same fate.

As for Bevel, how do we know anything about him if he is only allowed to call the Sorry Ass Plays that Chili approves?

I say keep booing Childress until Zygi wakes up and sends him packing. Our worst nightmare is that the defense will enough games for us that Zygi get mixxed up and keeps Chili around.

Look at Tomlin now. We would miles ahead if Zygi would have recognized his talent and released Chili and moved Tomlin into the head coach position.

I think at the end of year one we already knew enough about Chili to make that call.

by Gary Quazzo on Oct 16, 2008 11:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't think it effects the players?....

Quarterback Gus Frerotte was asked about the booing of head coach Brad Childress in the second half of the Vikings’ 12-10 home win on Sunday.

"I don’t want to sound mean to a team, but I did play for the Bengals one year. That was a tough year. I don’t care what you think we’re going through now, I’ve seen it probably at its lowest point," Frerotte said. "I felt bad for Coach (Dick) LeBeau. That was probably the hardest situation I’ve ever had to go through. I didn’t even hear anything during the (Detroit) game.

by Hilton Head viking on Oct 17, 2008 5:47 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was I thinking.....

Of course we are supposed to be there for the players after all they get paid such low wages cant make ends meet unlike us rich fans who make millions per year.I keep forgetting those poor dolts don uniforms just to put bread on the table and cant afford a happy meal.

I have been a Vike fan longer then most the players are old,seen all the Super Bowl losses and really dont ask much.The Coach might be a complete idiot but the players could show a little hustle during 2 minute drills.I am sorry that these players feelings get hurt so easily,but without a fan base there aint no pay check.Fans get tired of next year we will go all the way and get tired of the build up of pre-season.
At the end of Football season most die hard fans chomp at the bit for anything till training camp starts even knowing the begining of the season means winter is not far away.When that season starts they ask for something to put that bounce in their step come Monday morning and ask for this many years.
So when those players don those uniforms and Coachs pick up that clip board they pick up years of Hope and Pride.The Fans ask for that Pride in game play ,that the whole team not give up until the final whistle blows.When the Fans boo and chant Fire Chilly now it means the Team has already affected them.

by speedlod on Oct 17, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speed

I agree with what you’re saying….I only wish it were true. There is no team pride amongst players anymore. Not like the old days. It’s turned too much into a business. Players play hard because they get paid to do it, not to make fans happy or because they are playing for a tradition. Frankly, I doubt there is one player on this roster who cares whether you and I have had to suffer through 4 SB defeats, or the 1998 loss to ATL…..it’s sad, because you don’t see the pride and tradition in the players these days…

with the exception of being a Yankee, I can’t think of another professional sports team that carries any traditional pride….it’s what sports has become….hell, even Favre couldn’t stay loyal to his colors, and I thought he’d cut off his arm for the Packers and their fans…

I think that the majority of local fans who bought into the media hype that this team could achieve something this year, and go deep in the playoffs, are starting to see the truth….I love my team, but the players , and their coach, got exposed early…

by Hilton Head viking on Oct 18, 2008 7:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still playing in the lower grades

The reason that I can’t stand Childress is that he is not gonna get this team to the A-level.

Even if we get into the playoffs, it will only be because we squeaked in by the skin on our teeth. I don’t see us winning any games in the playoffs, because under his leadership this is a 4th-rate team. It will be embarrassing to get into the playoffs just to see how bad we will get beaten by the teams that learned, adjusted, and grew during the 16-game season, while we stagnate or get worse.

There is no fire, no power, no domination, no spirit, no intelligence, and no passion in what he is doing.

Winners come up with a way to control and dominate. Losers get lucky once in a while.

by liveforadrenaline on Oct 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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