The Obligatory "Brett Favre Did WHAT!?" Post
Since the Vikings are on their bye this week, and since this story bears more than a passing resemblence to what the Beloved Purple had to go through this off-season, I think that a look at this story is warranted.
For those of you that haven't been following the story, there's word going around the NFL (having been started by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer) that prior to Green Bay's game against the Detroit Lions, former Packers QB Brett Favre called the Detroit Lions to discuss with them the intricacies of the Green Bay offense, presumably to help Detroit knock off his former team.
Now, ignore for a moment the fact that the Lions still lost to the Packers, and gave up 48 points in the process (though they did stage a decent comeback to take the lead before Jon Kitna forgot what color uniforms his teammates were wearing). There are a couple main lessons to be gleaned from this ordeal to this point.
1) Brett Favre is a galactic-level douchenozzle, and we should be incredibly happy that he's not on our team
Yeah, yeah, yeah. . .our quarterbacks are average on their best day and all that good stuff, and the almighty Favre would have the Vikings sitting pretty right now.
Not so fast. Here's a comparison:
Gus Frerotte has averaged more yards/game and more yards/attempt than Favre has to this point in the season. Throw in the fact that six of Favre's passing TDs came in one game against an Arizona team that turned the ball over six times, and the discrepancy really isn't as great as one might think. Yes, Frerotte isn't our long-term answer by any stretch. . .Favre wouldn't be, either, if he was here.
But that's the smaller point here. Frankly, I don't care how bad our quarterbacks are. . .I'd take a QB depth chart of Sean Salisbury, Tarvaris Jackson, and Spergon Wynn over having a guy that would pull this kind of crap on the team. Yes, I realize that everyone will say that Favre didn't break any rules and didn't do anything illegal. Well, you know, screwing your best friend's girl isn't illegal, either. . .but it sure as hell isn't right.
With this move, Brett Favre has once again proven that he's all about Brett Favre. Everybody outside of the state of Wisconsin that has the ability to see through the "gunslinger/he's having so much fun/he just loves the game" garbage that some media outlets would like us to buy into have known this for a long time. It's going to be interesting to see how Green Bay fans will react to the fact that the butt that they kissed for so long just took an opportunity to crap all over them. All that talk about how Brett Favre loved the city of Green Bay and would always be a Packer and yadda yadda yadda. . .all seems a bit disingenuous now, doesn't it?
And, speaking of the media. . .
2) Get up. . .get, get, get down. . .ESPN is a joke in your town
This story has been all over the media for the past couple of days, with the notable exception of the folks at the four-letter up in Bristol. Why is that?
Well, if the folks over at Pro Football Talk are to be believed, it's because the higher-ups at ESPN specifically ordered their personnel not to talk about the matter. They told their people that they had "examined the story" and determined it not to be true. (If you hit PFT, they've got a story about Jay Glazer being livid over ESPN's conclusion, and so he should be.)
Now, why would ESPN order their people not to talk about this? Are you kidding me? Did you watch the Vikings/Packers Monday night game opening week? Brett Favre was two thousand miles from Wisconsin, and Tony freaking Kornheiser couldn't go 10 seconds without throwing the guy's name out there. Apparently, the guys in the booth failed to realize that NOBODY WATCHING THE GAME THAT NIGHT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT BRETT FAVRE. The man plays for the Jets now. The Jets weren't playing that Monday night. So why in the blue hell did we have to keep hearing about him? ESPN has been in the tank for #4 for years, and probably couldn't stand to bear the thought of their great hero being exposed as a liar and a fraud.
Also. . .does anyone else find it a bit curious that ESPN had absolutely no qualms about reporting the obviously false, obviously fabricated, and obviously stupid tampering claims brought forth by Ted Thompson against the Vikings during the pre-season, but when this case comes along they magically find some standards? Oh, well. . .it's nice to know that the only thing worth tuning into ESPN for now is World Series of Poker coverage.
What do you guys all think of this whole thing? Still wish we could have found a way to get Brett Favre to Minnesota? Go ahead and discuss it here, and hopefully we'll see you all later this afternoon with more good stuff.
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I know I’ve been critical of what you say about the Packers and/or Favre on this site, but I completely agree. I’ve lost a ton of respect for Favre for this whole incident. The intent was there to try and give the Lions the advantage, which is the worst thing you can do to your teammates and fans. He can hate TT and MM all he wants, but this affects everyone involved with the Packers.
This should not be swept under the rug saying “No big deal” as I’ve seen a few of my fellow Packer fans say. Ridiculous. Favre went out of his way to give the Lions an advantage. That’s low and completely classless.
by wils0646 on Oct 22, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's Okay
Everybody sees the light eventually. (-;
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by Gonzo on Oct 22, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
You played the Spergon Wynn card!! Nice job.
I agree though – the fact that we’re doing this well with Frerotte should say a ton about our team as a whole. Imagine what we would be doing with a QB like Drew Brees or Jay Cutler?
And I still think it’s amazing that Gus Frerotte has the 7th highest ypg in the league – even after playing in 5 games this season. Ahead of Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, etc…
Just about every other QB in the league has started all 7 games of the season thus far, and had that additional two games to put up larger numbers. So Frerotte (with the exception of last weeks debacle) seems to be doing alright.
by AustinVike on Oct 22, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
May I coin a new phrase?
Favrey being Favrey?
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by Andersklasen on Oct 22, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't degrade Manny
Like that.
Favre’s an out-and-out jackass. Manny’s just kind of a flake. Flaky I can almost respect.
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by Gonzo on Oct 22, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Working overtime
Using a Spurgeon Wyn reference and douchenozzle in the same blog? I think that is illegal here in South Dakota.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 22, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost went for Chad May, too
But I thought that might have been a bit too obscure.
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by Gonzo on Oct 22, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I live in SD too and I concur. (ps Where you at Dawg?)
by Hoss-Drone on Oct 23, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to reality
Yes, Favre was a weak idiot to leak strategic secrets, if he indeed did. On the other hand, it obviously didn’t work, so Favre did a bad thing badly, I guess.
But let’s not try to compare Frerotte’s performance to Favre’s. Really, there is no comparison. Gus ranks 17th in yards per attempt, and that is all he has going for him. Favre’s YPA is 0.33 less, good for 22nd. Both are mediocre in this respect.
Favre vs. Gus (and how each ranks) in other passing stats this year:
92.3 (12th) vs. 72.6 (26th) Rating
68.2 (6th) vs. 57.2 (27th) Completion %
4.1 (28th) vs. 3.9 (27th) INT%
6.7 (3rd) vs. 2.8 (25th) TD%
Gus has thrown an interception about as often as Favre. His receivers have managed to gain an extra yard or less in the fewer instances that Frerotte has thrown a completed pass. Frerotte is above average in no respect whatsoever, whereas Favre has been above average or better in a few measurable ways.
Those rankings were taken from ESPN’s qualified passing leaders as of today. I suppose Gus would look a little better if compared to TJ and Brodie Croyle, but that would only illustrate how much of an upgrade Favre would have been, at least in terms of his ability, experience, and productivity. Maybe the Lions scored 10 points on us they would not have had Brett been on our sideline (not that it could have happened given the high price the Packers had demanded).
by KC Viking on Oct 22, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a lot of those stats are from the game where they obliterated the cardinals with the help from the cards defense and the chargers game where they were already down by like 600 points so it didnt count, but farve is awesome anyway right? (sarcasm)
What up?
by snakethejake on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Favre’s completion % and TD% and rating were higher before the Jets-Cardinals game, and Favre would still be better in those respects if one were to exclude Favre’s best day of his career and still leave Gus with his entire body of work this year.
Actually, I wouldn’t choose to use the word “awesome” to describe Favre, but he’s certainly much better than Gus Frerotte. Any sane person understands that.
by KC Viking on Oct 22, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, I'm still not sure I'd want him.
I mean, he’s one of the biggest stars in Packer history, then there’s the money, and the ego, and can you imagine how much trashtalk and trolling there would’ve been if we’d had him and lost in week one?
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Oct 22, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I would have gotten over a week 1 loss long ago (the trolling wouldn’t have bothered me one bit) had the team won since, and I think the difference between Favre and Frerotte would be at least 1 more win at this point. The Vikings had the cap room, so the salary is a non-issue as well. I don’t think Favre’s ego has been a problem in NY, and it probably won’t be. It’s not like he’s Pac Man Jones or Larry Johnson or Brian Bosworth.
It’s really not worth trashing Favre anymore. He’s not on the rival team anymore, and he was never a real possibility here given the high price the Packers had demanded.
by KC Viking on Oct 23, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing Favre to Gus is just STUPID! Seriously Favres on a new team hes still better then most QB’s Frerotte is no better then a backup and hes always been that way. If Favre was on our team it wouldn’t just boost the QB play it would boost the confidence of our coaches and players. Maybe we would try some pass plays longer then 4 yards?
by Zoxide on Oct 22, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jumping to Conclusions
As a long-time lurker, I’d just like to make a couple of notes to this alleged incident:
1) Given that both Favre and the Lions organization have denied the report, I am curious as to where Jay Glazer got his info. Is he in fact right? One has to note that he was all over the now-confirmed false tampering charges earlier this year. Are Glazer’s hands clean in this latest incident?
2) Given the level and kind of info we have available, I find that jumping to the conclusion that Favre in fact did talk about the Packers to be rather early. Nothing like jumping on the “blame Favre” bandwagon though.
3) As for ESPNs lack of reporting (or refusing to report), they’ve been burned several times in the recent past with reporting on subjects too early or without enough info. My guess is that they’ve learned to think a little before reporting on un-sourced stuff like this. Its also possible – and I think very likely – that the whole thing is false and ESPN is staying out because of that.
4) Just to inject some actual Vikings content – Fire Chilly!
by Ragnar on Oct 22, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice write-up
It’s sad how I read your description of Favre as:
Brett Favre is a galactic-level douchenozzle, and we [Vikings fans] should be incredibly happy that he’s not on our team [the Vikings]
and all I did was slowly nod my head. Even six months ago, I would have gotten all agitated and profane. Sad to see how far some Packer fans have come.
If any of you guys are interested, here and here are APC’s (read: my) reactions to the news. I know, you hate us, and we hate you, it’s a beautiful thing, but give it a read anyhow.
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by Mitchell_M on Oct 22, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate
We don´t hate you, we just think your post (attack the post not the person!) smell funny :P
Welcome, thanks for keeping it clean, it sure is a nice change.
by Iceland-Viking on Oct 22, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they really shouldn’t allow some people to have cell phones, especially if all they’re going to do is get in trouble.
What up?
by snakethejake on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Idiot
Favre can throw the ball.
Favre cannot think his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to off-the-field stuff.
He could have been the best-loved Packer for life of all time. He could have raked in millions of dollars in Green Bay/Milwaukee area endorsements for the rest of eternity. Playing another year and thumbing his nose at his team for the last couple of decades vs. Legacy and stable income from endorsements for life. He chose stupidity.
Anything he does from now on won’t surprise me.
by liveforadrenaline on Oct 23, 2008 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN/BF
Good points all. As I see it we have the following issues in order of importance:
1. Need Head Coach
2. Need QB
3. Need Offensive Line Help
4. Need Linebackers
5. Need Zigi to kick some ass!
by StAlphonzo on Oct 23, 2008 7:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DB
I don’t like Cedric Griffin at CB. He’s a great tackler, and I’ll bet he’s not part of the special teams problem if he’s playing there, too. I just think he’s really a safety or linebacker or nickelback, though, and not much of a starting cornerback.
Winfield is long in the tooth for a CB. Clearly, he is still able to make plays, but I don’t know how much longer he can keep that up.
I understand that they may have tried to take the best player available when they drafted Terrell Johnson after signing Madieu Williams to a long contract. I don’t remember which CBs were available in FA, so there may not have been any worthwhile corners to sign or draft. I definitely think this is a top five need going into the 2009 offseason and draft.
by KC Viking on Oct 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget that D-Sharp isnt a spry pup either. Terrell could be groomed to replace the sharper. The simple fact that Terrell has NOT been named frequently is a good thing. Its hard to judge his overall performance since the cameras dont spend much time on the defensive backfield but so far, we havent had an announcer critique a play with “and right here Terrell Johnson bites on the play fake leaving X to get open downfield”
by Hoss-Drone on Oct 23, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but...
He’d be perfect for madden
jk
but really I think farve would no doubt be better than ferrote or Jackson
Fire Brad Childress
by firebradchildress on Oct 23, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Away!
I am so sick of hearing about Brett Favre. Just let the tabloids or NY media pick up his stupidity.
Maybe we should just boycott commenting on him in any way shape or form. He said he wanted to just play football. I don’t want to hear about every little thing he does.
If he contacted the Lions he should be banished from any “legacy” Packer fans want to credit him for. Don’t retire his jersey, don’t invite him to reunions or buy his name on any product. Just let him go away. NY can be a lonely place when all the stardom fades and when he trys to go back to GB. Greet him with an empty airport and no vacancy signs at your hotels.
I actually feel bad for GB fans on these issues but if he did this along with the tear jerking retirement scandel. Do these things to return the favor. It will leave him with a quiet retirement. Maybe let Rogers wear #4
by CitrusFLViking on Oct 25, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Viking Fan but....
Come on-Favre trying to sabotage the LIONS?!?! Why would he care? This sounds as believable as the Vikings trying to sabotage the Packers season by “tampering” with Favre. Brett Favre is a hall of fame quarterback who has plenty of friends in the NFL. Just because he’s been a Packer for so long does not mean we need to believe every story someone reports to tarnish his name and legacy. If it turns out to be true, then yes, Favre is a douchenozzle, and yes, he has earned my disgust, but until then he is just Brett Favre.
by dicellular on Oct 26, 2008 2:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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