Minnesota Beats Green Bay, and America Collectively Whines
by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 9:22 AM CST
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There have been a couple of sources who, since Sunday, have devoted ink and/or bandwidth to complaining about how the Vikings were given credit for a safety this past Sunday due to the sheer stupidity of Packers' QB Aaron Rodgers. Among these sources are ProFootballTalk.com (who, by and large, is anti-Viking and always has been) and SI.com's Peter King.
While being upended in the end zone, Aaron Rodgers threw an underhanded pass that landed about three yards from Packers tight end Tory Humphrey, and ref Alberto Riveron called it an illegal forward pass. Only it wasn't, because quarterbacks often make underhanded scoop passes, which this was. After the game Riveron called it intentional grounding, and it wasn't that either, because Humphrey was so close. So this was a gift two points for the Vikes.
Awwww. . .did the Chosen Ones actually have a call in a big situation go against them for a change?
Seriously, everybody that's whining about this should really shut their collective latte-holes for a while. The Vikings have a long, proud history of getting screwed over by officials in the NFL, and in particular against the Green Bay Packers.
The biggest example of this came back in 2002 in a game at Lambeau Field between the 3-9 Vikings and the 9-3 Packers. Minnesota went into the fourth quarter against the Packers leading by nine points when they were playing for nothing more than pride. Then, this happened.
The NFL has acknowledged its officiating crew made at least nine mistakes during Sunday's Green Bay-Minnesota game, including a key pass interference call, two newspapers reported Wednesday.
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The Vikings (3-10) lost the game 26-22 in Green Bay. Eight of the affected plays occurred in the fourth quarter, when the Packers (10-3) made up a nine-point deficit with two touchdowns. An interference call negated a Vikings' interception on the Packers' game-winning drive.
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On Monday, the Vikings sent in 12 officials' calls the team disagreed with. In a response, league supervisors wrote that Vikings safety Corey Chavous should not have been called for pass interference against Donald Driver on a third-down pass that safety Jack Brewer intercepted.
"It doesn't matter what they say after the fact," Chavous said. "We lost the game."
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Among other mistakes detailed in the document, league supervisors wrote that Packers receiver Robert Ferguson should have been ruled out of bounds at the 1-yard line rather than given a 40-yard touchdown reception with 10:48 left in the fourth quarter. The Vikings did not challenge the call via instant replay.
The NFL also wrote that Packers safety Antuan Edwards should have received an unnecessary roughness penalty for hitting Vikings receiver Chris Walsh, who had taken a knee to stop the next-to-last play of the game, and that Packers linebacker Nate Wayne also should have been penalized for blocking receiver Randy Moss in the back on the final play of the game.
Yep. . .eight calls IN ONE QUARTER OF FOOTBALL. Conversely, I'm pretty sure that the Packers haven't had eight referee calls go against them in the last 10 years of Packer/Viking football games combined. When he was there, you couldn't even look sideways at Brett Favre without a 15-yard roughing the passer flag coming out. . .Al Harris and Charles Woodson get away with more clutching and grabbing on every pass play than I did when I was still dating (and I had to pay for dinner and/or a movie first, on top of it). . .and the referees have pretty well gone out of their way to make sure their lips are firmly glued to the buttocks of the Packers and the city of Green Bay.
But, yes, because of one call that may or may not have been incorrect in Sunday's game (it wasn't), we now have a national tragedy on our hands. The Vikings actually beat the Green Bay Packers, and nobody's quite sure how to handle it.
Corey Chavous' words from nearly six years ago rang true that night. They also ring true right now. "It doesn't matter what they say after the fact. We lost the game." Minnesota won. Green Bay lost. The end.
Maybe the Packers should have actually taken a shot at tackling Adrian Peterson at some point on Sunday. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Kampman and Nick Barnett on NFL Network's "Playbook" this weekend telling everyone how easy it is to stop Adrian Peterson. It worked so well when Greg Jennings told everyone how the Vikings' secondary could be exploited.
Maybe alleged uber-genius head coach Mike McCarthy should have constructed a game plan for his team that went beyond "show up at the stadium on Sunday." With the way the Packers performed, that's clearly all they thought they needed to do to secure a victory.
But, regardless of how many "maybes" there are, it's nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a change. Not only is the whining about the officials in this game by the media and the numerous Packer fans that have filled my inbox the height of irony, it's nothing shot of completely hilarious. In the spirit of what we've heard from so many Packer fans over the past few years, "Referees don't decide football games. Players do."
Man, it feels nice to say that.
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Huh?
If any Packer took a shot at Adrian Peterson everyone, everyone would be running him down. I’ll bet even Childress would start bull-rushing.
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by Andersklasen on Nov 11, 2008 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I meant "made an effort"
Not try to cheap shot him or anything.
Although that really WOULD be the only real chance they have of stopping Adrian Peterson. That’s been proven already.
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by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10 Feet?
Maybe I’m remembering this funny, and maybe I should look for a replay of the play, but I believe the ball was significantly more than 10 feet from the receiver. That ball was a good five yards shy of the line of scrimmage, and the receiver was at least three yards beyond it, but my reckoning. So, that is a minimum of 8 yards short, which would seem to definitely qualify as intentional grounding.
I could be crazy though, and maybe when I get home tonight I’ll dig for a replay.
by cheaptoy on Nov 11, 2008 10:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not buying it
Even when you guys win, you still complain. On the Packer blog, its all about how we need to right our own ship. Not much has been made about that obvious blown-call by the official to gift Minnesota 2 game-winning points.
Greg Jennings and the GB receivers man-handled the Vikings in the first meeting, and All-Day has never really done anything against the Packers until now. Enjoy it, congratulate each other; as a man much more intelligent than me once said, “the sun shines on a dog’s ass every now and then”
Among these sources are ProFootballTalk.com (who, by and large, is anti-Viking and always has been)
It’s easy to be anti-vikings when I come over here to commend you on a tough, classic rival game, and see all this hater-aid and whining by Viking fans. Talking about how McCarthy didn’t prepare his players, talking about how our offense did nothing, talking about the Packers left and right… Isn’t this a Vikings blog?
Wow the Vikings defense actually did its job for a change and didn’t let a Packer team run rough-shod all over the field this time. Frickin’ amazing! The season isn’t over.
by PackaCracka on Nov 11, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
“Greg Jennings and the GB receivers man-handled the Vikings in the first meeting, and All-Day has never really done anything against the Packers until now.”
In four career games against the Packers, Peterson has gone over 100 yards 3 times, and in the fourth game he took the Al Harris cheap shot. Your definition of “never really doing anything” must be way different from everyone else’s.
And “manhandled?” Jennings had 91 yards in the first meeting, over half of which came on one play. Nobody else had more than 38. The only difference being that the Packers got to try their most successful pass play in the opener. . .that being “let’s throw the ball really, really high in the air and see if Greg Jennings can come down with it.”
You’re right, the season’s not over. . .it wasn’t over after Week 1, either, but that didn’t stop half the Packer fans in America from acting like they had already clinched the NFC North.
We’ve talked about the not blown call by the officials because other places keep bringing it up. There’s not much need to break down the rest of the game. The Vikings dominated, the Packers were lucky to be in it, and when it was all over the better team won. The end.
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by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm..
If Adrian Peterson has been so effective in all those meetings, why is this the first one they won?
In that first game, you’re right.. the Packers didn’t “rip up” the secondary.. but AP was pretty much meaningless in that game. He had a touchdown and over 100 yards, but most of his big runs ended up in Viking field goals.
He’s like Barry Sanders… a very talented player on a mediocre team. Granted, the Vikings have really shored up many aspects of the team.. but they have a lot of work to do before they can be a serious contender in the NFC. (However, they are a serious contender in the North).
by Cheese_Head on Nov 11, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The fact we lost doesn’t mean Peterson wasn’t effective. Any time a running back crosses over the hundred yard mark, its a good game for them. Averaging more than 4 yards a carry, that’s exactly what you’re looking for a running back. That’s effectiveness at its best, and Peterson has never averaged less than 4 yards a carry against the Packers. He’s been a factor in every game. You can’t deny that and be considered serious.
None of his big runs ended in TDs, that’s true. But so what? At the end of the day, it was a one possession game thanks in large part to him. He kept it close, and he gave us a chance to win it at the end. You seem to be placing the faults of the entire team on his shoulders. As a single player, he did very well. As a team, we failed in the first game. But we aren’t talking about the team, we’re talking about the individual player here.
And unfortunately, you’re correct in your Barry Sanders analogy. I’ve stated it myself several times and its a shame, because I’d like to see what he can do when he isn’t a team’s crutch. But the point is, without Peterson, the games aren’t nearly as close between the Packers and the Vikings as they have been. He’s been a factor in every game he’s played against Green Bay.
by Frost on Nov 11, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sidenote
As a side note, Peterson actually takes the entire load of the team on his shoulders, even though he shouldn’t. I’m worried about that tendency over the course of the long-run.
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by Andersklasen on Nov 11, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo hit it on the head. Have you watched the games since Peterson has been playing? Obviously not. And for the record, it wasn’t a blown call. It was a safety. You can’t feed me that bullcrap about it being a legal pass, or that it was anything more than intentionally trying to get the ball out of the endzone in whatever way possible. And if you want to be entirely technical, then how about the holding on, I believe it was, Ray Edwards that prevented him from reaching Rodgers while he was still in the endzone with the ball? Point is, it should have been a safety and it was ruled one.
by Frost on Nov 11, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But the underhand flip pass by Rodgers was:
A) A good 6-8 yards short of the receiver, and obviously a desperation move.
B) Between the tackles
C) Ball landed behind the line of scrimmage.
Pretty much defines intentional grounding.
And pay no mind to the Packer tool that has wandered over here. Of course everyone at that blog is engaging in mindful intelligent discourse centered only around the faults of their own team.
by TEXVIKE on Nov 11, 2008 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
if you watch the video...
it wasn’t even underhand. he picked it up, and tossed it sidearmed. Maybe even low 3/4 arm angle.
all the more reason for intentional grounding
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 11, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about that call
Our team was beat handily. I can say that certainty. I do care about the way you portray the Vikings as always getting bad calls compared to the Packers. It just seems so ridiculous and petty to keep thinking that way. It’s sad too.
I also have a little problem with this statement:
Among these sources are ProFootballTalk.com (who, by and large, is anti-Viking and always has been)
Absolutely, 100% FALSE. It’s actually THE EXACT OPPOSITE:
http://archive.profootballtalk.com/4-27-06.htm
I qoute:
IT’S OFFICIAL — VIKES’ NEW UNIS ARE PUTRID
Our friends at Viking Underground have forwarded to us more shots of the still-to-be-unveiled uniform modifications.
Excuse us for a minute whilst we go barf.
Yours truly was a rabid Vikings fans in the glory days of the 1970s (and, unfortunately, beyond), so we still feel a certain obligation to safeguard the organization and its tradition. That’s partially why we were so hard on Mike Tice a/k/a Meathead No. 1 — and why we now plan to give similar treatment to Fran Foley a/k/a Meathead No. 2.
Thus, we always will call it like we see it with the Vikes, and our position on the new getup is that we prefer never to see it."
I don’t know how someone just stops being a rabid fan and is all of a sudden a hater of that same exact team. It doesn’t make any sense.
by wils0646 on Nov 11, 2008 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Safety!
Rodgers is clearly throwing the ball like a lunatic because he knows if he falls in the end zone with it, Ray Edwards will be on his back in a second. The tossed ball does not get up to the line of scrimmage, as is required to be excluded from intentional grounding to avoid loss of yards. His alleged “intended receiver” is several yards beyond the line of scrimmage, and Rodgers only knows where his guy is supposed to be, not exactly where he is or if he is open. Rodgers looks more like a perp thowing his crack pipe from the stolen car as the cops close in on him than a quarterback expecting a completion. He was lucky some Viking wasn’t waiting around to pick it for a TD.
by Elgar on Nov 11, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Intentional Grounding
I hate the so called receiver in the area. The official NFL rulebook says “Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.” NFL interpretation has allowed spiking the ball at a runners feet to be considered realistic. Let’s face it. There is no way any sane person can thing an underhand sling while falling to the ground that falls 3 yards short (receiver beyond the 10 and ball hit between 7 and 8 marker) and the ball was also 5-6 yards inside of the receiver. It was a low slung ball that couldn’t no receiver could dive for a hope to reach.
Officials made the right call.
by Stubby83 on Nov 11, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That being said
Please beat the Bears for us this weekend Cheeseheads.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 11, 2008 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who's Whining?
Viking fans whine even when they win, apparently!
When officials get calls wrong, the fans are going to complain because a game looks differently when you’re cheering for someone rather than a neutral view of the game. So of course they’re going to complain… look, you’re still complaining about a meaningless game 6 years ago!
That play was probably intentional grounding. You can make a very convincing argument for that. However, “illegal forward pass” was clearly the wrong call… why not just call intentional grounding if you MEAN intentional grounding.. How much do you get paid to memorize those rule books?
Oh… and isn’t it supposed to be a 15 yard penalty for taking your helmet off on the field? AP did this twice and no flags.
If you really believe the entire league has plotted against and hates the Vikings… and that’s why they’ve lost so many rivalry games in the past… not because they can’t seem to hold a team together for an entire season… I’m glad you got your retribution.
I will agree with you, that the officials didn’t decide this game… The Vikings outplayed the Packers in almost every aspect of the game, and the fact that the Packers were in any position to win that game is absolutely amazing. It would’ve been a slaughtering if Frerotte could throw a pass to the guys wearing the same jersey as him.
by Cheese_Head on Nov 11, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My only problem
Is when Packer fans say that the safety is the only reason they lost. I have met people who say that online and in person, and it annoys the hell out of me, as it would with almost anyone. There are plenty of people who do it enough that many fans of the other team, in this case the Vikings, feel the need to set them straight. That being said, I, and hopefully others, appreciate that you are not taking that stand. As for the argument about who’s biased against who and all that… I just try to avoid that.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Nov 11, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hit the nail on the head.
Beautifully written, Gonzo. Every time a Packers fan starts putting in their two cents about how the officials screwed them over, I always use that 2002 game as a rebuttal. I still remember watching that game, cursing up a storm as zebras and cheese came together to complete the perfect pooch-screw of our underdog Vikes. I ended up printing out that article on ESPN’s webpage the minute the story broke and still have it to this day. Just to remind anyone that bothers complaining about blown calls that it doesn’t get any worse than what we went through. No team in NFL history can say they were screwed by the officials more than us, and that game is the perfect example. But enough about that, we’re currently first place…and beating the Packers to acheive that spot makes it even sweeter.
by VIKES311BOY on Nov 11, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just so I understand everyone...
The Vikings dominated the game. Gus Frerotte is a terrible QB, and single-handedly let the Packers back in the game. The Vikings won this game by about 2 feet, and all of a sudden their problems are solved. Gus Frerotte is still the QB.
by TarHeelHawk on Nov 11, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Gus is still the QB
And Adrian Peterson is still the best RB, if not the best overall player, in the National Football League.
As long as that guy is lined up in our backfield, we’ve got a chance against anybody.
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by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But with Gus at QB
teams will line stack 8 in the box, and dare Gus to beat them with his arm – he’s an older version of Rex Grossman.
by TarHeelHawk on Nov 11, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gus Gus had a bad day
That is all (hopefully). You all remember Favre 5int fests of the not so recent past? If the greats can have them, so can the “ehs”. Besides AD put on his big boy pants and it didn’t matter. What DOES scare me is our Special (as in short bus) Teams. Can you BE any more incompetent?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 11, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
PFT and Peter King
I thought I was only one who noticed that these two clowns (Florio & King) were anti-Vikings. Peter is still pissed off at the Vikes for choosing them to win the super bowl one year and unfortunately making him look stupid in the process. Florio is now reporting that there are “questions” about Adrian Peterson removing his helmet after the go ahead touchdown that should of resulted in a un-sportsman-like conduct penalty.
GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!!!
The Vikings worked damn hard for that victory on Sunday and DESERVED to win.
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by maui on Nov 11, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not positive....
but I believe the players can remove their helmets once they are off the field, and if you notice,
AD is completely out of bounds when he removes his helmet, and he stays off the field afterwards, walking up the sideline.
by stilpony on Nov 11, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PFT's found something new
To whine about
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/11/questions-persist-about-petersons-helmet-removal/
Funny. They haven’t mentioned anything yet about Green Bay’s inability to pick up a blitz. . .or their inability to block Minnesota’s front four. . .or the lack of production from Green Bay’s overrated wide receivers and their even more overrated quarterback. . .or their inability to actually stop Adrian Peterson when they needed to. . .
Nope. . .it’s all about how those evil Vikings screwed “America’s Team” out of a victory.
Somebody call a WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHmbulence for Mike Florio, please.
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by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cmon
You both completely ignored my previous comments.
by wils0646 on Nov 11, 2008 8:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much "ignoring"
As it is “not caring.”
So Florio “said” he used to be a Viking fan. All he did all of last week was whine about Jared Allen, and all he’s done for the past two days is whine about how the Vikings had the nerve. . .the audacity. . .to beat the Green Bay Packers.
He’s even said that the Vikings’ victory over the Packers this past week was “as tained as Denver’s victory over San Diego in Week 2.”
Vikings fan, my great white ass.
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by Gonzo on Nov 11, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he lie?
It doesn’t make any sense. Why would he lie and say he used to be a Vikings fan? He’s said plenty of things bad or good about both the Packers and Vikings.
Honestly, did you ever see his posts about Favre? He was the person who coined the term “Lord Favre”. He was not a fan of Favre’s at all.
Why do you and others keep playing the “everyone is against us” card. It’s sad. You want to justify some people questioning some calls by saying “they are against us”. What if they just want some answers to why this or this was or wasn’t called?
I don’t care one way or another. The Packers deserved to get beat because they were completely outplayed.
by wils0646 on Nov 11, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m not playing the “everyone is against us” card, I just think its ridiculous these “uncalled” penalties they’re coming up with. Look at it this way, the Vikings have beaten the packers 1 out of 6 times. The one time we FINALLY kick their ass in three seasons, everyone starts to dismiss it because of a “blown” safety call, or that Peterson should have been flagged for Unsportsmanlike Conduct for doing nothing more than removing his helmet after scoring that hard earned TD, and the Packers given an extra 15 yards on the kickoff.
It starts to get irritating. Especially when we outplayed the other team as well as we did.
by Frost on Nov 12, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree that the Vikings completely destroyed GB on both sides of the ball. I really don’t care about the calls one way or another. I just care about how Vikings fans think they’re backs are against the wall and everyone is against them. It just seems so juvenile.
by wils0646 on Nov 12, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TELL EM TO GET A LIFE, PETERSON IS GOD
Peterson is god and single handedly made the packer’s D look high school. Make all the excuses in the world. That was a much more respectable way to kneel, than to pull a cell phone from the goal post or pull a pen from your shoes.
The Packers can kiss our asses when we take the north.
by vikingfiend on Nov 11, 2008 8:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AP Wasn't On the Field of Play....
I just watched the video Gonzo posted. Check minute 4:53 – it looks to me like AP is out of bounds (off the field of play), when he takes his helmet off. Then he’s walking up the sideline. Again, not on the field of play…..
by JasonAve6413 on Nov 11, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps if some of the Packer players would spend less
time pretending to be an analyst on the NFL Network and more time studying the game plan their offense wouldn’t have looked like JV high school team!
I honestly thought Aaron Rodgers was gonna cry after Leber lit him up like a christmas tree.
Quit the whining cheeseheads, Favre is now a Jet so you no longer qualify for charity calls from the refs.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Nov 11, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that the call
Was questionable. It was wrong on the field anyway, it wasn’t an illegal forward pass. It may have been intentional grounding.
Did the call decide the game? Nah, the Packers played awful with the exception of the secondary. Is there anything wrong with people who analyze football games pointing out that there were some bad calls? Not to me anyway. But yeah, I understand the frustration with fans who are trying to say the Packers deserved this game.
by Pack Man on Nov 11, 2008 11:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of questionable........
Every pass play that Al (I’ll take your knees out) Harris is on the field for is ‘questionable’. Nobody clutches and grabs and gets away with it more then he does.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Nov 11, 2008 11:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHA
Pathetic…in order to justify a shitty call that occurred 2 days ago you bring up a game from 6 years ago…wow…grow up
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by Green and Bold on Nov 11, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say it was shitty. I think if you ask anyone OTHER than a Packers or Vikings fan, they’ll agree it should have been called a safety.
by Frost on Nov 12, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Green and Mold, er Bold, sorry about that...
This will be the same shitty call that you’ll be talking about in 6 years; anybody from Packerland remember the “Ice Bowl”?? Yeah, you guys just complain the first few days and then everything is forgotten; I forget how noble you all are.
I’m a “grew up in Minnesota” DIE HARD Viking’s fan, but moved to Wisconsin about 10 years ago; man am I having FUN over here!!!!! I ran out of Kleenex on Monday, but I still have plenty of hugs to go around! LOL
Also, I have the perfect explanation for AD having to remove his helmet all day: They accidentally ordered it in size “Favre” and it was too lose on him. Only Lord Favre could fill a helmet that size!
by stilpony on Nov 11, 2008 11:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Amen, Gonzo.
I remember that 2002 game well. And, as you point out, the illegal contact that Woodson and Harris get away with is unparalled in the NFL.
by mavikesfan on Nov 12, 2008 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
As soon as...
Rodgers threw that ball, I jumped up in the air and started yelling safety. My friend who is also a rabid Vikings fan looked over at me and said, “What?!” I said, “It’s a safety. It was intentional grounding, and if the QB is in the endzone being chased down by a defender and intentionally grounds the football it’s a safety.”
He obviously was not trying to complete a pass there, just getting rid of the football to avoid the safety, which is why the rule is there in the first place.
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by BaldViking on Nov 12, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
It was intentional grounding and since it happened in the end zone to avoid a sack, guess what? …SAFETY! I fail to see how anyone could argue against that call.
by purplegrey on Nov 12, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys know I don't care about this one way or another...
But this is what Kevin Seifert (formally writer of the Star Tribune in Minneapolis) had to say:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-6-96/A-conclusion-to-Helmetgate.html
"Those of you who inspired Tuesday’s post on Adrian Peterson’s helmet removal will be gratified to know that the NFL’s top official agrees with you.
Just got done writing the news story on comments from NFL vice president Mike Pereira, who said Wednesday on NFL Sirius Radio that Peterson should have been penalized 15 yards after scoring the game-winning touchdown Sunday against Green Bay. Here is the gist of Pereira’s comments:
“I can’t figure out why anything wasn’t done about that but I will say this: It frustrates me that we didn’t do anything about that.”
NFL rules prohibit players from removing their helmets unless they are in the bench area or there is a timeout. Otherwise, it is considered unsportsmanlike conduct.
Minnesota coach Brad Childress disagreed with that assessment Wednesday, saying he believed Peterson’s helmet had been knocked loose at the end of the run and that he was nearing the bench area, anyway.
We won’t harp too much more on this issue other than to say Peterson probably didn’t violate the spirit of the rule, which was established to end self-promoting celebrations where players take off their helmet to maximize their personal adulation. But the rule is plainly written nevertheless, and Peterson clearly violated it. The Vikings should have been penalized."
by wils0646 on Nov 12, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings should have been penalized.................
but weren’t.
Packer fans shouldn’t date their cousins but they do. Yet life goes on.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Nov 12, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so THAT'S what the problem has been
I thought it was the years drinking from Lake Michigan
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by Mitchell_M on Nov 12, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I'm doing right now
putting my middle finger up to everything Minnesota. Fuck Garrison Keillor, Fuck Gophers Hockey and fucking get over yourself. I’m not even from Wisconsin and I think your state sucks balls.
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by jobe on Nov 13, 2008 2:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
We don’t need confirmation from you or anything, but we appreciate it anyway.
Anyone that’s ever visited both states knows that Minnesota is pretty much Wisconsin with a slightly better. . .well. . .everything.
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by Gonzo on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've lived in both
And I must respectfully disagree slightly. The beer in Wisconsin is much better on average. (Although Minnesota is starting to catch up.)
by cheaptoy on Nov 13, 2008 5:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The beer in Sconie has to be better!
Sconie women typically have no teeth. Need some mighty good beer beer to drink your toothless cousin cute!
I keeeed I keeed
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Nov 13, 2008 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Goof post about this on
the big lead. Has a couple other instances where the Vikes got favorable calls, including the Lions game.
by TarHeelHawk on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Call In the White Coats
Wow, I had no idea that Viking’s fans had so many issues going on. Officials all against you, national analysts despise your club, Packers get all the breaks…people you need some serious counseling. No one thinks about the Vikings enough to care that much. You haven’t been worth noting since you became so wimpy and decided you had to play indoors. Perhaps because your “product” is so unappealing it explains why the officials have conspired with the NFL to make sure Packer interests are advanced and you spend each playoff season forgotten and whining about your coach or who you should have drafted. Having Randy Moss got you nowhere and neither will having Adrian Peterson do you any good. It takes a “team” to win a superbowl…but then you wouldn’t be aware of that fact now would you?
by BARTSTARRYEYES on Nov 18, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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