Vikings/Jags Post-Mortem: A Win? By Double Digits?
I apologize for the tardiness in getting this up here, folks. Had a lot of stuff going on after yesterday's game, and haven't been able to get it on the site before now.
As I mentioned in the Game Thread comments early on yesterday, just after the Vikings had scored 14 points in the game's first 95 seconds and people started talking about a blowout. . .these are the Vikings. The Brad Childress Vikings. The Brad Childress Vikings don't "blow teams out" with any sort of regularity. The modus operandi of the Brad Childress Vikings is to play teams close, slug it out until the end of the game, and hope that either a) your team makes a big play, or b) the other team commits a massive screw-up.
But, yesterday afternoon, the Jaguars seemed bound and detemined to get blown out, and the Vikings. . .for once. . .happily obliged.

The game started off with a play that I don't think I've seen before in my years of being a football fan. David Garrard lined up in the shotgun, called for the snap, and Jags' center Brad Meester snapped the ball. . .approximately 6 inches or so. Unfortunately for the Jaguars, Garrard was about 7 yards behind Meester at the time. The Vikings' Napoleon Harris alertly pounced on the fumble, sprinted 26 yards, and the Vikings had a 7-0 lead a whole 13 seconds into the ball game.
After a Jacksonville fumble on the ensuing kickoff, the Vikings found themselves with first and goal on a run by Chester Taylor and an end-around by Bernard Berrian. Then, Frerotte handed the ball to Taylor again, and Taylor put on the most beautiful move executed by a Vikings' running back since Adrian Peterson humiliated Kenoy Kennedy at the Metrodome last season, and the Vikings were up 14-0. As you can see by the final score, that turned out to be all the points Minnesota needed. . .but not after making things a little more interesting than they needed to be.
The Vikings were outgained by the Jaguars yesterday by a count of 321 yards to 226, and Maurice Jones-Drew put together what has got to be the quietest 113-yard receiving performance the league has seen in a long time. I know I had to do a double-take when I looked at the box score. Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor, considered by some to be the best running back duo in the league not comprised of backs named "Adrian Peterson" and "Chester Taylor," combined for 24 yards on 9 carries. David Garrard did throw for 317 yards, but only one of those passes found the end zone, and two of them found the hands of Minnesota defenders. He was also sacked four times, a component that was missing in the Vikings' 19-13 loss to Tampa Bay.
The Vikings won despite another lackluster performance from Gus Frerotte. . .and "lackluster" is being generous. Don't get me wrong. . .I'm sure that Gus is a fine human being, and he's a very scrappy competitor and all that. But you'd think that a guy that's been in the league for as long as #12 has would know that there are times when nothing's happening that you need to take the ball and throw it into the fifth row of the stands rather than do something crazy with it. Crazy things like. . .I don't know. . .throwing across your body while rolling out and overshooting your closest target by 10 yards en route to throwing an INT. Or rolling out on 1st and goal from the 2 and losing 10 yards on a sack rather than throwing the ball away.
The latter of those two incidents brings me to my Brad Childress complaint from yesterday, and an illustration of why this team rarely blows anybody out, despite all their talent. The Vikings lined up on that series with 1st and goal at the 2-yard line. They have the best running back tandem in the league on the sidelines. They have a huge offensive line that had been getting good push on the entire series.
Why on earth, then, would you call a designed rollout for a guy with very limited mobility in that situation? Why would you just not slam Peterson and/or Taylor into the line anywhere between 1 and 4 times, take your touchdown, and be happy that you've put the game away?
At times like this, Childress reminds me of a guy that's playing video games with his little cousin. You know that if you're playing your little cousin and you start winning by too many, he's going to start whining and crying and throwing things. . .so you start calling plays and doing dumb things to try to let him at least get close again. He doesn't have any killer instinct at all. He gets his foot on a team's throat, and is content to let them back up again. At some point, this really needs to change. This team has too much talent to try to go the distance in a slugfest every week. . .it would be nice for the Vikings to not just knock a team down early, but then jump on them and continue pounding away until their opponents just lose their desire to fight back.
Other than those two minor quibbles, there's not a lot to be sad or angry about with yesterday's game, and there's never any need to apologize for a win. The Vikings are 6-5, and will spend this week in no worse than a first-place tie in the NFC North. They also have a HUGE game coming up in prime time on Sunday night against the team they're currently tied with, the Chicago Bears. Every week for the last few weeks has been the biggest game of the year for the Beloved Purple, and Sunday night's matchup is no different.
While the Vikings prepare for that, they also await word from the league office about the fate of Pat and Kevin Williams. . .a decision that will have a massive impact on the final five games of the regular season. Whatever happens over the course of this week, we'll be here to talk about it, even over this holiday week. Continue enjoying the rest of your evening, ladies and gentlemen, and GEAUX SAINTS!!
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1st & goal fro the 2!
Chili likes to surprise teams with stuff when he doesn’t have to.. Remember last year against the Raiders, almost same situation, 1st & goal from the 3. he has Jackson roll out and he threw an INT!!! The commentators jumped on Jackson, I was blamin the Genuis on the sideline!!! When our coach catches up with the common sense of the average fan.. We might be on to something… My 1st comment, Love the site…
by Marvin T on
Nov 24, 2008 7:56 PM CST
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That brings back some great memories...
AP faking out Kennedy had to be one of my favorite plays ever… although I don’t get to watch that many games, so I really don’t get too see many great moments. On a related note, being that next week’s game is nationally televised and I get out of work at 8 and live 15 minutes away, I am going to get to see a full game of Vikings football for once! Very exciting.
And the Saints are destroying the Packers. It’s so wonderful.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Nov 24, 2008 10:33 PM CST
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In defense of roll out play, it was at least play action, so he knew that they were expecting a running play and tried to outsmart them. Gus just made a boneheaded mistake and held onto the ball. That and the blocking wasn’t all that great that play.
Other than that, spot on. Hope we’re ready for the Bears. Gus. Less than 2 ints this time, please.
by Frost on
Nov 24, 2008 10:58 PM CST
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The problem Is
I haven’t seen that exact playaction-rollout play work a single time this year. From the first time Jackson ran it in the 2-minute drill, and gave up an Interception to now.
This specific play, is absolutely horrendous. You run playaction left- have the entire offensive line and TE block left, and rollout right with only ONE receiver running with the quarterback. The QB has 2 defenders in his face after 2 seconds, and the CB, Safety and LOLB are all covering the single receiver.
It’s an absolutely moronic play and hasn’t worked all year. It’s not fooling anybody and has killed at least 5, if not more drives so far this year.
by DelawareBerserker on
Nov 25, 2008 6:02 PM CST
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Meanderings
We have the player talent to beat the Bears, but I have zero faith in the coaching talent. I’m glad to see Maurice Hicks not returning kicks – he was doing absolutely nothing. I’ve been wondering the same thing as a fanposter to the right there – why did they take Aundre Allison off kick returns?
I’m also very concerned about the QB situation. Gus’ numbers are barely better than TJs were. Gus must have one of the intangible qualities that TJ doesn’t, I guess, but he also has a woken up Visanthe Shiancoe. Shank’s been doing fantastic.
I just love Chester Taylor. What a move!!! What a class act. I hope we can keep that guy.
Winfield is phenomenal. Period.
Brees SHREDDED the Packers tonight! What a beautiful, wonderful, marvelous, fantastic thing to watch. I hope Carolina can do the same thing to them next week.
GO VIKES!!!!!
by JasonAve6413 on
Nov 24, 2008 11:21 PM CST
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I know I sound like a broken record but I can't help myself.
Childress sucks! I can call the Viking plays with about 90% accuarcy from my living room couch.
Gus is starting to remind me of Brad Johnson (and thats not a compliment). Someone needs to tell me what exactly Gus is bringing to the table that Jackson isn’t? Gus hasn’t been anymore accurate. Gus is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. Tarvaris at least can make a play or two with his feet when the pocket breaks down, Gus just gets hammered! And after you hit him a few times he plays scared, you can see it plain as day. He becomes the king of the check down pass to the FB or Bobby Wade!
Another thing, I know Jimmy K personally and there is no bigger fan of his then me, but seriously, I would rate him about the 15th best option (right above Bryant McKinnie) on the team to stretch the field on a deep route! Yet there he is doing it! Who is Chilly trying to kid??? Did Major Dad lose a bet or something to Jimmy?
Childress has zero feel for how to call a game on the fly. He is usually pretty good at scripting the opening series, but after that he seems clueless. You know the Vikings are a very talented team when they can win games despite having the worst QB situation in the league (other then St. Louis) and a coach who clearly doesn’t get it.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on
Nov 25, 2008 8:42 AM CST
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What Gus Brings
1) Leadership
2) Calm Assurance
3) Experience in NOT telegraphing where he’s going to throw by staring at the intended reciever
4) Experience in NOT thinking he’s an optional running back
5) Ability to shrug off the sacks and the interceptions and soldier on
Gus isn’t a great quarterback… no one ever mistook him for one. But he’s a competent enough, most of the time, to run the offense and keep the ball moving, especially when he’s able to call his own plays.
TJ, on the other hand, has only one thing going for him, over Gus; TJ might learn and he might get better. Both are big mights. His learning curve is dubious, he wants to do things his way and unfortunately, his way is suicide in the NFL. He probably will get better at not telegraphing his intent, but his accuracy isn’t very impressive and he doesn’t down-check as well as he should be after 3 years in the NFL.
If the Vikings were 4-8, I would agree. Pull Gus, put TJ in, and let TJ play in the sandbox for the rest of the year. Good experience for the kid, and what’s to lose?
But the Vikes are 6-5, and in the thick of it… as much as I want to see Chilly replaced, the Vikes have a chance to take the division. Let’s stick with the QB that took us to this dance.
by DCPurple on
Nov 25, 2008 10:31 AM CST
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Here's the difference
With Gus, the Vikings tend more toward 7 in the red zone, because defenses consider him a legitimate throwing threat.
With TJ, the Vikings tended more toward 3 (especially against Indy earlier this year)
Gus makes more of the big throws – when they count.
by mjmrad on
Nov 25, 2008 11:59 AM CST
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Another thing...
If Chicago wins on Sunday night, the Vikings are basically done, because they’ll be 1 game behind in the division and automatically lose the tie-breaker.
At that point, it might be time to feel out TJ some more as well as Booty, just to make sure they don’t have potential for next year.
by mjmrad on
Nov 25, 2008 12:01 PM CST
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Except the QB the we are going to the dance with, didn't take us.
We hitched a ride in the back of our buddies truck, Gus didn’t drive!
This team is winning DESPITE of Gus not because of him. The thing about Jackson is we still don’t know if he can get it done. We know what we have in Gus (which is not much). While I’m glad to be in the thick of things this season I’m under no illusiones about this team going deep in the playoffs. I would rather us find out for sure what we have in TJack so we can move forward at the QB position for next yr.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on
Nov 25, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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At least we’re not losing because of Gus. I think we should get rid of Tjack and draft a QB in the 1st round. Theres gonna be alot of good QBs available:
T. Tebow
C. McCoy
S. Bradford
G. Harrell
and probably more, this assuming we have the 17-20th pick again.
by koooolaid1087 on
Nov 25, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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Why get rid of a Qb when you still have no clue about if he can get it done?
I don’t think any Viking fan can honestly say Tarvaris was given a fair shake to start this season. The coaches completely hamstrung him with terrible game plans and when he played bad on top of it it was ugly.
Drafting a Qb in the 1st round is all fine and dandy but that puts up a minimum of 2 yrs behind again. I would rather draft a RT or DT in the 1st rnd and sign a younger FA QB like Matt Cassel or MAYBE Derek Anderson and roll that way.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on
Nov 25, 2008 12:10 PM CST
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McNabb
Now that philly is thinking about getting rid of McNabb, we NEED to go after him!!! he is only 32,and has allot of football still in him,what would it take in a trade? 4th round pick or higher? and one of our d-line men?
by ztavike on
Nov 25, 2008 12:57 PM CST
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I agree. We could use McNabb. But giving up one of the D linemen? Maybe if you’re talking about Ellis “I love to jump offsides” Wyms. On an unrelated note, did anybody notice that they replaced Big Pat with Robinson a couple times last sunday? I think the result was that intentional grounding, but I’m not 100% sure.
Anyways, McNabb is Childress’ “sucess” at QB, so if we get him, he should have no excuses for doing stupid things on offense.
by Frost on
Nov 25, 2008 10:41 PM CST
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You'd give up Pat or Kevin
For Donavan? No thanks. Also, please don’t mention Tim Tebow and Vikings int he same sentence. Shit I just did it myself. Cassell is looking like a good choice now, or Marc Bulger.
by Jepp The Viking on
Nov 25, 2008 2:33 PM CST
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If we got Cassell in FA
We’d be set. What a pick-up that would be! He is developing real well and has great passion to win as well as poise to limit mistakes
by DelawareBerserker on
Nov 25, 2008 6:07 PM CST
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WHOA NELLIE...
Cassel has had TWO good games in a row, and plays for a master game planner. Not exactly a sure thing for us. Derek Anderson was way more of a “sure thing” last year, and look what he has been this year.
Let’s see what’s available next year. I’d love to see us a draft a guy to develop and sign Kurt Warner for the short term.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on
Nov 25, 2008 9:24 PM CST
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From what I understand
Cassel is more of a sure thing than Anderson, because the Patriots scheme, a version of the spread using a lot of curls and comebacks, needs a QB who can read the field and make quick, smart, accurate passes.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Nov 25, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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Getting Warner would be awesome
Along with either a rookie QB out of the draft.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Nov 25, 2008 11:01 PM CST
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Fruedian slip
Should say Tebow and Vikings in the same sentence. Int he.
by Jepp The Viking on
Nov 25, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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Gonzo, you're right (as always)
This team has no killer instinct. That no doubt drifts down from their coach, who famously plays to run the clock out from the opening kickoff…or when he’s down by 24 points.
I like some of the ideas you guys are throwing out for QBs for next season, but if Childress is still on the sideline, who cares who the QB is? His offense is built to stall, sputter, and punt. The QB isn’t important in such an offense.
When Childress is finally fired we can talk about getting the franchise back on track to respectability. But until then we’re just also-rans.
It’s sad when you see a stubborn coach and his “offense” bringing down the most talented squad Minnesota has seen in a while.
by Bodysuit Man on
Nov 25, 2008 5:33 PM CST
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Tebow
Are you kidding Jepp? Tebow has play above expectations from his freshman year. As a Gator and Vikies fan I can think of no better draft pick (I do like koolaids list). This is the next crop of great QB’s. Tebow will not cause embarassment to the team. He has a work ethic and attirude every coach would love from all his players. He is a take charge QB who has the respect of his team mates on and off the field. I don’t like comparisons but I liken him to Peyton in many ways, except he can run like a FB when he has too.
My other question would be, Why not platoon Jackson and Ferotte. In situations where a 1st down is needed put Jackson in with options for a short pass and then run for it if you have to. Keep Ferotte in for game management and red zone. By the way, this is how Tebow learned the ropes his Freshman year without having to sit the bench. The next year he was ready and confident. What was that thing he won? Oh, The Heisman.
If Jackson deserves another chance this might be the way to try it. Put him in success situations and watch how the managemnt end works.
by CitrusFLViking on
Nov 25, 2008 7:20 PM CST
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Jason (I think it was Jason) White of OU won the Heisman too.
He tried out for the Chiefs and was never heard from again.
Not completely disagreeing with you, but a Heisman winning QB doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
I’d prefer one of the Big 12 guys myself.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Nov 25, 2008 10:59 PM CST
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Please let Tebow get drafted
before the Vikings can even have a chance. Maybe Detroit will take him with the #1 pick. We do not want Sexy Rexy Jr on the Vikings.
Charlie Ward won the Heisman too and went on to a serviceable NBA career.
by vikedawg on
Nov 26, 2008 12:50 AM CST
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I see Tebow as being liks Colt Brennan… You hearing anything about him this year? He played terrific in his first preseason game, and then after that, nothing.
by Frost on
Nov 26, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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College < Pros
Lets not forget that. Otherwise the Red God (Go Huskers..we suck right now) Eric Crouch would be mentioned in the same sentence as Brady or Manning.
by Jepp The Viking on
Nov 26, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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Hey guys
Just thought I’d remind you we could still have Moss in our offense. Sorry.
by Jepp The Viking on
Nov 26, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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Not cool
Now I’m dreaming about a Vikings team with Drew Brees and Randy Moss, only to wake up and realize that that’s Gus rolling out and throwing a pick shortly before being absolutely demolished a D-lineman.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Nov 26, 2008 7:41 PM CST
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Heisman
That is very true but I think Tebow is the exception to the rule. By the way, I just saw the FL State game and he looked fantastic! Yes, there is that Heisman curse but there are some who succeeded. And yes, he has had many good outings besides week one.
I think comparing him to Grossman or Brennon is far fetched. Lots of people thought Peyton was just Daddy’s boy.
On the flip side, McCoy is another who just has that attitude on the field that just shows pro QB written all over him. Both these guys are just so relaxed under pressure and eye multiple zones very well. I would even give that one to McCoy over Tebow. But my gosh, Tebow just barreled over the FL St. defense for a 5 yd. TD run and was finding recievers beautifully.
Thanks for all the opinions. When you really look at it QB picks are a crap shoot.
by CitrusFLViking on
Nov 29, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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