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Pat and Kevin Williams Officially Screwed. . .er, Suspended by the NFL

Congratulations, National Football League.  You had an opportunity to admit that you screwed up and do the right thing, and you chose to blame somebody else for your own ineptitude.  Or, to put it more accurately, six somebodies.

Yes, after they ingested a supplement that the National Football League knew contained a banned substance, and after the National Football League failed to disclose this fact to their players, the National Football League has suspended six players for violating the league's performance enhancing drug policy.  Six players who have never in their lives ever taken a performance enhancing drug.

Ever.

Star-divide

The NFL completely and totally mishandled this case in so many ways that it's damn near comical.  Let's see if we can count the ways, shall we?

First of all, the league allowed this to get out into the public eye before anything had been decided in the appeals process.  This in an of itself is a gross violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy.  The players in this matter had their right to privacy completely destroyed by some idiot reporter who placed a higher degree of importance on "scooping" the competition than actually following the rules.  An idiot reporter who, to my knowledge, has still not been disciplined for this violation in any way by their employer or the National Football League.

Maybe I'm a little more sensitive about this aspect of it because of the career field I'm a part of, but in my line of work, if we disclose sensitive or classified information, bad things happen.  The Williams Wall and the three Saints players that got hit with this deserved the same level of privacy and respect that every other player in the league that's ever broken this rule has, and it wasn't given to them.

Then, of course, there's the fact that the league knew that the StarCaps supplement contained a banned substance and failed to actually tell anybody that this was the case.  The NFL dodged a real bullet here, as no physical harm actually came to any of the players involved.  But, the NFL being who they are and completely lacking the ability to admit when they've made an error in judgement, have decided that the best course of action would be to punish the victims of the league's stupidity rather than actually tell anybody that they were wrong about anything.

I guess it really will take another Korey Stringer incident in order to make the NFL see their errors. . .and that's really, really pathetic and sad.  Then again, Roger Goodell strikes me as the kind of guy that would probably get a good laugh out of a Korey Stringer joke or two.

On the bright side, from a football standpoint, Pat and Kevin Williams being suspended isn't going to make Green Bay's defense not suck any more.  Seriously, 86 points allowed over the last two weeks?  Really?  I've had Packer fans e-mailing me and telling me all season about how awesome the Green Bay defense is.  And, really, why wouldn't they?  After all, they've only given up about a field goal per game more this season than Minnesota has, and that takes into account all the touchdowns that opposing defenses and special teams have scored against the Vikings.

It's also not going to change the fact that Chicago's defense isn't nearly what it used to be either, or that they have Kyle Orton at quarterback.  And it really, really doesn't change the fact that the best player in the National Football League still lines up behind Gus Frerotte between 35 and 40 times on any given Sunday afternoon.  Yes, this is a huge blow to the Vikings, but there are two other teams in the NFC North race that, as of now, still have to look up to see Minnesota in the standings, and who have plenty of problems of their own to worry about.

No, ladies and gentlemen, the only recourse that this team has now is to get themselves an NFC North division title without Pat and Kevin Williams in the middle, which would really give Roger Goodell and the rest of the empty suits at the NFL offices something to cry about.  Of course, at that point, it wouldn't surprise me to see Goodell attempt to suspend them again.  Why?  Because. . .

Get up, get get, get down. . .Roger Goodell is a joke in your town.

So what, exactly, are we looking at over the next four weeks?  We'll examine that a bit more closely in the next post.  However, at first blush, things don't appear to be as dire as we might initially think.

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Unbelievable

Let’s hope our other D-tackles can muster up 4 good games….Ellis Wyms, Fred Evans, and Letroy Guion don’t exactly inspire much confidence in me, but I’ll try to reserve judgment until after the Lions game….

by cutlassbob on Dec 2, 2008 7:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think I will judge too much from the Lions game. The real test will be the final 3 games against NFL teams, not Detroit Community College….ha! I know, I know, the frickin Lions will probably be a close game again like last time…..but I hope not! Hopefully the replacements can do a good job….whoever they might be.

by AZVikesfan on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just an idea

I wouldn’t mind seeing Allen, Edwards or Robison play one of the DT spots, then keep the big guys who don’t get to play much fresh. Those 3 are the best d-line man we have right now, they should all be on the field as much as they can.

by SDviking on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually that's not

a bad idea but I would go in a different way. And before everyone starts losing their minds like the typical assclown, numbnuts who populate AcessVikings let’s remember a couple of things. Phat Pat has missed some games the last couple of years due to injuries and the run defense didn’t suffer greatly. Two, Wyms has played well when given the chance and Fred Evans has a lot of talent although he’s untested. Hell, we should be able to beat Detroit with my niece and nephew at DT. Then it’s AZ and does anyone here think the Cards running game is what’s gonna win this one for them? Get real. Atlanta would be a severe test but why not stick 8 in the box anyway and make Matt Ryan beat you throwing to some receivers who aren’t that good. That leaves the NYG who probably won’t be playing their starters past one quarter.

If I don’t miss my guess Frazier is already putting in schemes to perhaps mask this loss including perhaps some 3-4 packages that would take advantage of the athleticism of the linebacker corps.

by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Dec 2, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

National FRAUD League

Roger Goodell as CEO, destroys evidence to protect his mentor Mr. Kraft and buddy Belechek.

What else do you expect?

A Commissioner’s job is to protect the integrity of his League, instead of intentionally undermining it’s integrity.

Regards,

I don't suffer from insanity...I relish every moment of it!

by the Dragon on Dec 2, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We knew it was coming

And we knew what the out come was going to be.I believe the Vikes will step up to the plate and win a few and hopefully Bears and Pack do their part by losing a few.If we can get into the Playoffs with the Wall returning who knows.Might be enough incentive to Tick off the Team to win out in spite of Goodells attempt to pave the way for the Pack. God knows the Pack needs all the help they can get.Somehow the Vikes will see their way thru this,maybe not in a pretty fashion,but hell whole season hasnt been pretty.

by speedlod on Dec 2, 2008 7:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Where is Arlen Spector when you need him?

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by Andersklasen on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

what a joke

pacman has been reinstated, the williams wall has been suspended. goodell is a joke.

wyohonky

by wyohonky on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

SDViking you hit it on the head. They’ve done it before where they take out Phat Pat and put in Robinson. So they obviously feel confident about him playing DT, at least on passing downs. My first thought about this was “Goddamn, there goes the season.” but, I suppose, this will let us know if we need to start thinking about Pat Williams’ replacement soon depending on how Guion, Wyms and Evans play.

by Frost on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’m with Frost and SDViking. DE Robison is a stud and can make things happen, but he’s not built to play DT beyond passing downs. Robison tops out at 259 lbs compared to Wyms (290), Evans (305), Guion (303). Depending on the lineup, Frazier might keep the bigger guys and bring more linebacker blitzes than usual.

by cutlassbob on Dec 2, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We Still Have Our Offense...

…which has scored 30 or more points in the last two games (and the turnovers are down too). We may be missing Pat and Kevin but the Lions have the same old defense they had on Thanksgiving Day (yeah, I know, they played us close last time…blah, blah, blah) but this is a different team than the one who eeked out a 12-10 win in the Metrodome. Our linebackers and defensive backs have been playing decent as of late and should help take up the slack. This is all about PRIDE now and the Vikes will step up.

by purplegrey on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Battle Stations

The NFL won’t confess that their steriods program is flawed. That would expose them to scores of lawsuits. Taking the current posture only allows a half dozen players to sue them. If the players’ lawyer’s can’t convince a judge to issue an injunction and postpone the suspensions at a minimum, all is not lost. Allowing teams a better chance to run at you makes the clock run faster. Is it really smart for opponents to try to ball control and out-run a team which has both Peterson and Taylor? There are things Frazier can do, but the element of surprise itself might work for us for a few weeks. If we can beat both Detroit and Atlanta, we might slide into the playoffs on the common opponents tie-breakers and help from the enemy. The Falcons have already beaten both Green Bay and Chicago. Sure, I’ve seen Ryan and Turner, but we get them to play at our house. The best Green Bay can make is 9-7. Go Packers, beat da Bears.

by Elgar on Dec 2, 2008 8:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This Annoys Me

Goodell waits 4 months to suspend McKinnie a week before the opener, but jumps right in on the Favre retirement saga.

These guys get suspended for the rest of the season testing positive for a substance that wan’t on the label (despite what the NFL policy says, this is a load of BS. Were I a player I’d have everybody call the NFL hotline about every damn thing I eat at every meal and flood those SOBs w/ how ridiculous this is).

Pacman is back playing. The media darling Packers have Jolly arrested w/ enough codeine to take down an elephant and he gets nothing….

WTF, over?

Our pass rush will still be ok. JA will still be doubled. Robison is a beast. Giants and Falcons are #‘s 1 and 2 rushing, so we’ll be hurt there. Detroit and ARZ are 30 and 32. We can easily go 2-2 these last 4 games. If the Giants aren’t playing for anything, we might even be able to sweep w/o the Williams’.

SKOL VIKES!!!!!!!!!!

by JasonAve6413 on Dec 2, 2008 8:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Question

If the Vikings do make the playoffs, will the Williams Wall be allowed to come back for the playoff games?

by VikingsFan92 on Dec 2, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

The suspension is only for four games. When we make the playoffs, they’ll be back.

by purplegrey on Dec 2, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grey Area

Actually the text says “will be ELLIGIBLE for admission” or something close. I wonder if they have to meet with Der Fuhrer…I mean the comish…before.

by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Timing..

Yes we knew it was coming, but in true “screw Minnesota” fashion, they wait until our final four games. What is the deal with Grady Jacson from ATL? How come he was spared the suspension? Is it because he has a lawsuit allready in place against Starcaps? It will be frustrating if he gets to set foot in our Dome and our guys have to sit.

Some sites are reporting that the NFL DID notify clubs that Starcaps may contain the diuretic in Dec. 2006, but a rep from Starcaps stated LAST WEEK that there may have been a "bad batch’ that was released to the public? What!? These reports are conflicting.
Also don’t rely too heavily on Brian Robison, rumor has it that he may be limited due to an injury (leg, knee, ankle? I’m unsure)

by DBQViking on Dec 2, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This Is a Damn Shame

This Bit Proves that the NFL is ABSOLUTELY WRONG in this star caps Bullshit.


Dr. John Lombardo knew that a supplement known as "StarCaps" secretly included Bumetanide, a drug available by prescription only, but failed to share this with all players

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SUSPEND PLAYERS WHEN THEY DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING?? FUCK YOU ROGER GOODELL.

by Tony_O on Dec 2, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and...

It’s quite a mockery of justice that an NFL player who was arrested for being caught in possession of cocaine only got suspended for three games while the half dozen guys who were taking over-the-counter pills got suspended today or four a piece. So, the NFL thinks it’s better to be doing coke than taking diet pills? What a kangaroo court! Lombardo’s lame excuse was that if he revealed there was bumetanide in StarCaps, players might have an out. OBVIOUSLY NOT!!! This is like the speed trap in a small town where they put up a camophlaged 25 MPH sign with small print on the expressway and wait to take money from people.

by Elgar on Dec 2, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On Second Thought....

I still think the timing of this sucks and it’s not fair when a-holes like Pacman and Johnny “Codeine” Jolly are able to play, BUT in reading the NFL statement, they have a list of approved supplements and clearly state that supplements may have inaccurate ingredients and a player takes a non-approved substance at his own risk.

I’d be interested in seeing the list of approved supplements and if there are any diuretics on it. If so, shame on the players for taking something else.

STrib’s AV reports Robison got his knee scoped and is out on Sunday, maybe longer. 3 of our D-Line gone. Ouch. We can still win 2 and hope 9-7 will be good enough.

by JasonAve6413 on Dec 2, 2008 10:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

suspension

it has seemed to me, almost from the beginning, that the fix was in. the favre fiasco; where the puckers should’ve been charged with tampering to the fines on jared allen everytime he tackles someone to the non-calls against viking opponents to adolph goodell’s SELECTIVELY suspending players according to which team they play for. a shakeup is sorely needed and not just in minnesota!

by kagey on Dec 2, 2008 10:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me

I would comment on the situation, but I’m about to go dice some lines of cocaine in my car with Matt Jones before he takes on the suspect Bears secondary this weekend.

"People ask me, 'What did you think about the draft picks?' I said, 'Dude, I don't watch.' I'm still kind of bitter," Smith said. "Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith

by The Heat on Dec 2, 2008 10:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not gonna lie,

this really sucks. I’d much rather have the Vikings have a late-season meltdown the old-fashioned way: a last-second Cade/Josh/Scooter McCown TD pass.

It certainly is curious that it took this long for any suspensions to be handed down. I wouldn’t necessarily cry out “conspiracy” right away, because I don’t see how the league benefits by keeping Minnesota out of the playoffs. Especially since the “best player in the NFL” is on your team. (Don’t take offense at the quotes; A.P. scares the bejeezus out of me). If I’m wrong about the conspiracy theories, then feel free to shove it back in my face.

Besides, I don’t think Green Bay or Chicago is consistent enough to go on the necessary 4-game streak to re-take the division. Then again, anything’s possible.

Oh, and for the record, I am totally on board with you about the whole Johnny Jolly codedine thing. I have heard, however, that he is cooperating with law enforcement to take down a bigger player in the drug network, so maybe that’s why he hasn’t gotten suspended/put on trial. But I certainly don’t like it, and I certainly am not comfortable with a guy like that on my team.

Here’s to expecting the Vikes to go 3-1, but hoping they go 0-4.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Dec 2, 2008 11:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm not quite sure what to think of all that.

There’s some stuff I like, but there’s also that “hoping they go 0-4,” which is just not cool.

In AP I trust

by FarvaForTheVikings on Dec 2, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Packer fan

What else do you expect? I hope for every other team in the NFC North to go 0-16 every single year. It won’t happen, but that’s the dream.

1 out of 3 this year ain’t bad.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Dec 3, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

I know, just that it was interesting. This post really made me laugh though.

At least we can all laugh at the Lions.

In AP I trust

by FarvaForTheVikings on Dec 3, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hooray!

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Dec 3, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless of course...

We get beaten this week.

knocks on wood

by Robert Rence on Dec 3, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the NFL would benefit from keeping the Vikings out of the Playoffs.

because, with the lack of success, the stadium dispute, and the relativly small market, the vikings are the team the NFL is looking at to move to LA. Which could end up happening in 2012, if the stadium dispute isn’t solved by then. Would anyone trade there Purple for Green and Gold of that happened?
I wouldn’t. I’d probably become a bucs fan.

by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 2, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's messed up

no WAY the Vikings should ever move. Ever, ever, ever. I don’t care about the stadium thing or the size of the market; the vikings deserve to stay in Minnesota. Period.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Taking the narrow road...

This obviously sucks. Big time. I originally thought Goodell was the biggest crook this side of the Milky Way, but I don’t think this incident should go against his record…

…unless he instigated this NFL policy on supplements. Allow me to quote:

You and you alone are responsible for what goes into your body. Claiming that you used only legally available nutritional supplements will not help you in an appeal…. Even if they are bought over-the-counter from a known establishment, there is currently no way to be sure that they contain the ingredients listed on the packaging or have not been tainted with prohibited substances…. If you take these products, you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK! For your own health and success in the league, we strongly encourage you to avoid the use of supplements altogether, or at the very least to be extremely careful about what you choose to take.’

(Italics mine)

Yes, I’m sure the Williamses had only good intents in taking StarCaps, they were responsible for what went into their body…plain and simple. There is no way around that. ..unless we are to blame the policy…which I think would be the proper course of action.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like or approve of how Goodell has cracked down on everything from concussion-inducing hits to illegal fingerclipping this year, but that is irrelevant to this case.

It’s fine to be mad at Goodell and the NFL…more power to you!…but to say that Goodell is to blame for this would be silly. The Williames won’t be getting out of this one, as it is open and shut, but in the future the NFL’s policy on supplements should come under some heavy fire.

Now…with all that out of the way, we can talk about what information the NFL made available to the players regarding StarCaps. We know for certain that the NFL knew that illegal substances were in the pill, and we know that they withheld that information. Why?

…but he hadn’t informed players of that for fear that other players might use that as a defense for positive tests in unrelated cases.

Sounds kinda like a set-up, huh? Let’s read on:

According to the league, Lombardo had [after the denials were issued] warned teams and the NFL Players Association that the maker of StarCaps had been added to the league’s list of banned supplement-producers.

I said earlier, “where’s Arlen Spector when you need him?”

I’d like to alter that to: “where’s Woodward and Bernstein when you need them?”

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by Andersklasen on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

this is...

the worst judgement call in NFL history! Does anybody really think that ANY of those 6 players use those pills to mask steroids?! None of those players looked like they needed to bulk up. NONE OF THEM. All of them, however, needed to meet weight requirements for camp. also, YOU CAN’T JUST SUSPEND PLAYERS FOR TAKING A SUBSTANCE THEY HAD NO THEY WERE TAKING!! YOU JUST CAN’T! AND WHAT’S EVEN WORSE IS THAT THE NFL KNEW THAT SUBSTANCE WAS IN THOSE PIILLS, BUT REFUSED TO TELL: A. THE PLAYERS B. THE PLAYERS ASSOCIATION, AND C. THE NFL TEAMS. THIS IS A HUGE FUCK UP BY THE NFL! AND NOW THE VIKINGS AND SAINTS ARE PAYING FOR IT.

by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 2, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Brett Favre had taken Starcaps – nothing would have happened. If the teams that were facing the loss of key players were the Jets, Cowboys, Giants, Patriots or Eagles…..nothing would have happened.

The NFL – in the tank for big markets every day of the week.

by Hoss-Drone on Dec 2, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sour Grapes Much?

Listen, I’m not disagreeing with anything you said, but don’t go getting all whiny and act like this is the first time this has happened just because it hit you.

Every time a player tests positive it hits the media weeks before action is taken, so to expect privacy is a pipe dream.

Almost every year there are circumstances that would make you think that a player should be taken lightly on, but isn’t. The NFL was smart in that aspect. It is written that the player is responsible for what they put in their body, bar none.

Yes, the league should have told everybody that their was substance in it, but it still does not preclude it being the player’s responsbility.

I recall a player whose doctor prescribed a drug, because it was the only one that would cure or get rid of the players illness or whatever it was and he was still suspended. They could have taken it lightly on him, but they didn’t.

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by Adam T on Dec 3, 2008 8:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let me point out an example

Jets QB Erik Ainge was suspended a week ago for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy.

How many times had you heard the words “Erik Ainge” and “substance abuse policy” prior to last week?

Your honor, the defense rests. The fact that players that people actually give a damn about were involved should have no bearing.

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by Gonzo on Dec 3, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well you and the guy up in the thread who said the same thing are wrong

There is shared responsibility among the NFL advisors, team trainers and players. The issue isn’t nearly as cut and dried as you’re making it out to be.

by Lovejoy on Dec 3, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

how were those players suppposed to know what they were putting in their bodies? It wasn’t labeled. The NFL wouldn’t tell them. What were they supposed to do? Bring the pills back to their lab and analyze them? Open the pill capsules and sort out all the banned substances? True, players are responsible for what goes into their bodies, but how can they be blamed for taking something they didn’t know they were actually taking? This is the NFL at it’s lowest. They can’t and won’t admit they srewed up, so 6 players will be suspended for something they didn’t know they were doing.

by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 6, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What bothers me the most...

…is that there seems to be no semblance of consistency at all with NFL punishments, whether it’s the timing, the length, or the crime that caused the punishment. Goodell seems to just hand down suspensions as he sees fit, only pointing to his “iron-clad” policies when it strengthens his argument. The NFL obviously screwed up here, but they’re covering it up by saying “well you should know what you’re putting in your body at all times no matter what—see, our policy says so right here! See?! See?!” Fine, but these guys THOUGHT they knew what they were taking while the NFL KNEW it was illegal but didn’t bother to tell anyone!

Arrrgh…as Bill Simmons might say, I will now thoroughly wash myself with rusty steel wool. Let’s get into the playoffs and stick it to the NFL the best way possible.

by ericj69 on Dec 3, 2008 9:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

From OSHA:

All employers with hazardous chemicals in their workplaces must have labels and MSDSs for their exposed workers, and train them to handle the chemicals appropriately.

Did the trainers recommend the Starcaps?

by Robert Rence on Dec 3, 2008 9:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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