What the Heck is John Clayton Talking About?
In his "Last Call" piece for ESPN.com, John Clayton serves up a little something that makes me think someone should have cut him off long before the bartender shut things down for the night. After all, friends don't let friends drink and write.
Coach Brad Childress' infatuation with QB Tarvaris Jackson once again bit the Vikings, although the wound isn't fatal. Jackson proved he's not ready for prime time in Minnesota's 24-17 loss to the Falcons. Although Jackson was 22-of-36 for 233 yards with no interceptions, he had three fumbles and lost two. That doesn't count the shotgun snap that Matt Birk sailed over his head for what turned out to be a 22-yard loss. Jackson might be the quarterback of the future, but he's jeopardizing the Vikings' current playoff push. If the Vikings lose to the Giants in Week 17 and the Bears win their last two, Minnesota will be 9-7 and watching highlights of Jackson throwing rollout screens to Visanthe Shiancoe instead of going to the playoffs.
Childress seems to cling to the fact that Jackson was 8-4 as a starter last year. With MVP candidate Adrian Peterson in the backfield, any quarterback with a pulse can excel. Gus Frerotte was contemplating retirement before coming to the Vikings as a backup. He was 8-3 as a starter before back problems forced him out of the lineup. Jackson is mobile. He's athletic, but he's not consistently accurate enough to beat the playoff-caliber teams.

Obviously, Clayton didn't see minute one of the Falcons/Vikings game yesterday.
As I pointed out in the previous post, one of the lost fumbles that was credited to Jackson wasn't in any way, shape, or form Jackson's fault. He attempted to hand the ball to Adrian Peterson, and AP attempted to starting going downfield before he actually. . .you know. . .HAD the football. Had Clayton actually seen any of the game on Sunday, he would have known to refer to AP as "former MVP candidate Adrian Peterson," because as of yesterday afternoon, that's what he is.
Jackson was one of the few reasons that Sunday's game was as close as it was. Sure, he missed on a couple of passes, but he was throwing a hell of a lot more than "rollout screens to Visanthe Shiancoe." He escaped from plenty of plays that Gus Frerotte would have gotten destroyed on. He showed far more poise and presence today than he has at any point in his career, despite pretty good pressure from the Atlanta defense.
Attempting to blame Birk's errant snap on Jackson is a bit on the ignorant side, too. The replay showed that Jackson was still looking over the coverage when the ball was snapped, and he gave Birk no indication that he was ready for the ball to come back. I don't know what the heck Birk saw, but I didn't see the standard lifting of the foot that usually proceeds a shotgun snap or anything like that. As far as I could tell, the only person to blame for Matt Birk's errant snap would be Matt Birk.
So, in reality, Jackson was responsible for two of Minnesota's seven (yes, John, that's 7) fumbles, and lost one. . .and the bounce that one took was so flukey that I don't know if you could replicate it if you wanted to. Despite having fumbled the ball seven times on Sunday, the Vikings were still in a position to tie or take the lead late in the ball game, and much of that was due to the presence of Tarvaris Jackson, not despite the presence of Tarvaris Jackson.
Quite frankly, Tarvaris Jackson IS the right option for the Minnesota Vikings right now. In my opinion, he's been the right option all season. Hopefully #7 will get a shot at the post-season to prove Mr. Clayton incorrect.
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they’re going for the bears.
What up?
by snakethejake on
Dec 22, 2008 6:32 AM CST
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***by them i mean ESPN and Mrs. Clayton here
What up?
by snakethejake on
Dec 22, 2008 6:33 AM CST
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Well, yeah
Them and everybody else.
But we knew that already.
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by Gonzo on
Dec 22, 2008 6:54 AM CST
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Strange comments...
That’s really weird of John Clayton. Usually he’s pretty spot on, but in this bizzaro world we were living in yesterday, I was screaming for Adrian Peterson to get off the field and to put the ball into Tarvaris Jackson’s seemingly now capable hands.
And while it should never come down to it, where was the pass interference call on the last pass? As I heard, you can’t hold a receiver’s arm down when he’s trying to catch the ball.
I guess you put the ball on the ground seven times, you don’t deserve to win. The Falcons owe the Vikings a Christmas card, ‘cause we just gifted them a playoff spot. After watching that, I’d be pretty nervous the play the Vikings in the playoffs should they get there. When they weren’t fumbling, they were moving the ball at will.
Of course, you gotta get there first. At least the Giants won. Maybe they’ll be resting starters next week.
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by Manimal on
Dec 22, 2008 7:35 AM CST
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Uggggggggggg!
Guess what ? I don’t feel any better today!
by 986guy on
Dec 22, 2008 7:38 AM CST
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LOL!
That sums it all up, man. I couldn’t sleep last night – my mind kept willing the Vikes to hold on to the ball.
Sigh.
by JasonAve6413 on
Dec 22, 2008 12:19 PM CST
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Tarvaris played great
He made a couple of mistakes but he lead us back into the game. I believe we would have gotten the tie and a chance at overtime win if the refs hadn’t of been playing grab-ass on the last vikings play.
by BeardedAxe on
Dec 22, 2008 8:07 AM CST
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Whatever Mr. Clayton is Smoking
Is most probably not legal here in the U. S.
Tarvaris started to falter late in the game, overthrowing receivers, but he’s the reason we were in the game late as well.
Peterson has got to hold onto the damn football, no question about it. We moved the ball at will against the Falcons, only to blow it time and time again due to turnovers.
You can’t fumble that many times during a game and win. The odds are pretty much against it.
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by BaldViking on
Dec 22, 2008 8:51 AM CST
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The football Gods...
The football Gods do not smile kindly upon those who put the ball on the ground seven times. After number four, you could pretty much turn the game off and hand it to the Falcons. Need proof? Matt Ryan fumbles on the one, two Vikings miss it only to have an offensive lineman drive the nail in the coffin for another TD.
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by Manimal on
Dec 22, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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Viking MVP
After watching yesterdays game should go to Pat Williams. Our run defense was a shell of it’s former self without big Pat in there. I hope he gets healthy in time for the playoffs, because despite yesterdays performance, I think we make it.
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by BaldViking on
Dec 22, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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Clayton status
John Clayton is about the only “talking head” I give credence to at ESPN-the station of east coast football.
I may have to re-evaluate my position.
by Odin on
Dec 22, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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People just seem to have a raging hard-on for hating on Jackson. Maybe its because he’s black? (I’m joking.) But honestly, I don’t see how anyone can look at the last game and say that Jackson shouldn’t be starting, or that he hurts the Vikings. He is infinitely better than Frerotte at this point. Look at what he did running, and how he turned would-be-sacks into big gains in the air. I mean, what do you want from a QB?
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 9:15 AM CST
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Maybe:
To stop Peterson from fumbling? Or to tell Bernard to fair catch it? How about McKinnie to not slap the ball out of his quarterback’s hands?
Maybe he should sacrifice a small child to the football Gods, because they were NOT smiling upon the Vikings yesterday. Ugh.
(Joking about the small child thing. Any size will do.)
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by Manimal on
Dec 22, 2008 9:19 AM CST
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Haha Manimal
That’s pretty damn funny.
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by Gonzo2 on
Dec 22, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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lol I saw McKinnie do that, but I think it was Peterson who had the ball at the time. McKinnie should be rewarded with a FF on his stat sheet.
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 3:21 PM CST
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I dont know why so many people are hating on TJax man. Not only is he the best option for the Vikes at QB, but these past 3 games he has been one of the BEST QB’s in the league. Please people stop piling on the man. We finally have someone that is doing the job but people keep trying to find something to complain about. GIVE IT A BREAK ALREADY!
by JRockItsAllGood on
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 PM CST
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As far as I'm concerned, John Clayton is an idiot
Seriously, how can you possibly pin the loss on TJack when he was 10/11 for 105 and 1TD at one point in the game?
And then…
He matched Adrian Fumblefingers Peterson in rushing yards on the ground, plus a beautiful 29 yard scramble!
The other thing – our run defense was just about the same yesterday as it was normally, minus Pat Williams. We didn’t give up any huge plays. In fact, their longest run from scrimmage yesterday was 13 yards, by the greatly overhyped Michael Turner.
The only reason we lost yesterday was coughing up the ball in the red zone, plain and simple. If John Clayton can’t recognize that, then maybe he should get some good ol’ Clockwork Orange – strapped to a chair – treatment.
by AustinVike on
Dec 22, 2008 9:33 AM CST
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And the other thing...
You can absolutely count on Adrian Peterson playing like a man possessed against the GIants, in lieu of his performance yesterday.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he had a 200yd day against the Giants.
You can quote me on that.
by AustinVike on
Dec 22, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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I’d believe it. DeAngelo Williams took it to the house 4 times against the Giants. I’m pretty sure Peterson is a better back than Williams.
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 11:59 AM CST
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I'll second that.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 12:57 PM CST
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What????
I am amaze of the viking fan. LIsten to yourself. Good first half bad second half and you can live with that. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you could settle for that. It is really sad. Last i notice/ In football there is to half you have to play well. Stop being a HOMER and be come a real fan. Yes that mean benching AD.
by vikefansd on
Dec 22, 2008 12:30 PM CST
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One thing I cannot take
Is insulting other people’s fanhood. Our opinions differ. Big deal. Grow up.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 12:58 PM CST
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I don't even understand...
I honestly can’t even understand what you’re trying to say.
Are you in favor of benching Peterson? If so: really? That would be a very, very dumb thing to do. He had a terrible game, but his problems are fixable. Keeping our best player off the field is basically handing a huge bonus to the other team. Why would you do that?
Chester is a great back. Wonderful back. But you know what? Peterson is the best pure running back in the league. Benching him is just insane.
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by Manimal on
Dec 22, 2008 1:45 PM CST
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Wow
I’ve always liked John Clayton, and I usually agree with what he says. So, I’m shocked he would say something so stupid. He obviously didn’t watch one bit of the game.
by PurplePeopleEaters on
Dec 22, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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This guy is rambling about what exactly?
Most of his article talks about Jackson’s record, his fumble(s, depending how you see it), and Gus’s greatness this year. Then to sum up everything he has written he writes
Jackson is mobile. He’s athletic, but he’s not consistently accurate enough to beat the playoff-caliber teams.
This guy spent not a single word in the main body of this article talking about Jackson’s accruacy. If you are going to summerize Jackson’s play over the last three games as inaccurate, you better bring the stats and facts in your article to back up that claim.
by Tuba on
Dec 22, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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Yeah, I don’t see how he can say that, to be entirely honest. Jackson had some bad throws, like any QB, but overall he threw the ball very well, very precise.
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 PM CST
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Well if an inaccurate QB pulls an average QB rating over 100 for the past 3 games then I sure as hell want an inaccurate QB starting for the Purple the rest of the season.
by JRockItsAllGood on
Dec 22, 2008 12:04 PM CST
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I'm with everyone here
in saying that I simply don’t understand the reasoning in Clayton’s piece. Have all of these Frerotte acolytes (including Don Banks on Cnn.Si.com) forgotten that Gus’s ball protection (fumbles/interceptions) has been horrible this year? Just look at the first Bears game as a perfect example of that. The fact is that had Frerotte not been injured before the half of the second Lions game the Vikings would probably not have won that game and find themselves in a still strong position to win the division.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on
Dec 22, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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Hey now...
Let’s not mess with ESPN. It’s not nice to mess with retards.
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by Andersklasen on
Dec 22, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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I agree
Clayton couldn’t have been watching the same game. As a Falcoholic i was impressed with Jackson. He looked like Dixon from last years Oregon Ducks. I live in Oregon and got to see a lot of Dixon. Now i expect to see Jackson become one of the high tier quarterbacks of the league.
I fully expect a rematch in the playoffs. I hope the results remain the same but that it is a game both teams can be proud of. Good luck next week. Vikings 30/ Giants 14
by Funballad on
Dec 22, 2008 10:58 AM CST
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Man. . .I only wish
That I shared your optimism.
Then again, after 25 years of Viking fandom, optimism is not something that I generally engage in.
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by Gonzo on
Dec 22, 2008 11:07 AM CST
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I agree!
Optimism shall rule the day!
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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As Vikings fans, we have one requirement
One must be a closet Emo. That is it. I can’t think of any other reason we love pain so much. /wrists.
by Jepp The Viking on
Dec 22, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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Oh yes, the pain is so pleasing.
Why else would anyone want to be a Viking fan. First there are the 2 days of fantastic elation that a sound victory brings. Then there are the 4 days of hope leading up to what could be the defining moment of lifelong fan’s dreams. Then there is the nervous apprehension that begins at dawn and culminates as the kickoff is performed. What follows then is a series of high fives and sharp blows to the sternum, all leading up to the grand finale……..your heart getting ripped from your chest. Oh, please, let it all begin again…..maybe this time, I can keep my heart.
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by NobleSavage on
Dec 22, 2008 11:56 AM CST
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You forgot
The kicks to the groin.
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by SouthernNorseman on
Dec 23, 2008 7:05 AM CST
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are you guy kidding me
I tivo the game the hand off was alittle to the side of AD. It was not in the bread basket. With defender in your site you have to trust your qb to put it in the right place. Le me see what is wrong with TJ game. He was very careless with the ball. The fumble when we are in the red zone. he lost about 30yd. I am sorry but he is not ready. If chilly continue to stick with TJ then he should be FIRED!!!!!!!!! Please take TJax with on your way out.
by vikefansd on
Dec 22, 2008 12:06 PM CST
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He still played better than Gus.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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???
AP is awsome. Sometime you have to you have to send a message. Start Gus please.
by vikefansd on
Dec 22, 2008 1:19 PM CST
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Sorry, meant TJ's playing better than Gus.
And if AP can’t learn to hold on to the ball, then yes, Chester should get more carries.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 1:21 PM CST
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Yeah, good idea. Start Gus against the Giants, so he can get sacked 4 times and throw a couple interceptions. Jackson hasn’t turned over the ball since the FIRST GAME of the season. He’s, I believe 9/1 in a TD to Int ratio. How can you even suggest benching him?
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 3:29 PM CST
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I Tivo the game too
If Adrian Peterson would fumble the ball that many times in a game it is impossible to blame Jackson for not putting it in “bread basket”. Keep Chilly if we make playoffs, and keep in Tarvaris.
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by Gonzo2 on
Dec 22, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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I'll second that, too.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on
Dec 22, 2008 2:30 PM CST
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There are always specifics to point to...
What’s the trend?
9-7, (enter Childress as leader) 6-10, 8-8, 9-6. We have added great players through free-agency and the draft every year since the 9-7 year.
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by ScottyV on
Dec 22, 2008 12:35 PM CST
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Yes, by all means, fire the coach who has led the team to a winning season! We don’t want to win games! Let’s just start everything all over again, new schemes, new plays, everything!
No thanks. Let’s keep what we have, it can work for us.
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 3:25 PM CST
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Hack Journalism
Pure and simple. This is the network obsessed with ‘T.O. is mad and at Tonygate’ in recent weeks. They are a sports entertainment ‘news’ company, broadcasting reality television shows. Nothing sells like cat fights and controversy. I long for the day SportsCenter was about highlights. It’s nothing more than daytime television for men who don’t work at this point.
Get your highlights from FoxSports.
Mark "The Jocks severely picked on me when I was a teenager’ Clayton couldn’t have been more off with his critique had he said the Vikings won the game!
by LoveHate on
Dec 22, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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TJax
Didn’t win for us but he sure didn’t loss it either. Many of the Vikes in purple had a larger hand in that mess. They are one & done at best in the playoffs.
What was up with the crowd anyway?
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by Village Viking on
Dec 22, 2008 3:12 PM CST
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Seriously, you think they’re one and done? Because I don’t. We moved the ball at will against the Falcons last night, and we did the same thing against the Cardinals. Let’s see, with the number 3 seed we’d face the last wildcard, which would be…. Tampa or the ‘Boys. Personally I’d rather face Tampa, because we could have ended up beating them too, if Maurice Hicks hadn’t fumbled that last kick off.
The offense is actually pretty good. The defense, as we all know, is championship caliber. Mixings of success if you ask me.
by Frost on
Dec 22, 2008 3:28 PM CST
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I am sick and tired of sports writers.
Jackson WAS our only offense the whole entire game. I will also give credit to Shank. This guy is a moron and he clearly didn’t see the game. Adrian Peterson seems invisible, but from what I saw yesterday the game is on him and the rest of the fumbles.
As far as the special teams….no hope. Not this year.
by vikingfiend on
Dec 22, 2008 3:32 PM CST
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As they said in those SNL sketches...
…SIMMA DA NA! I think we can all agree that Clayton just looked at the final stats and didn’t catch much if any of the game—he usually does a good job. He better, because it’s not like ESPN hired him for his dashing good looks—he looks like Gollum’s uncle. Fumbles, especially indoors, are generally flukes (like the 30-yard backheel that Tarvaris couldn’t do again if he tried) or good/lucky plays by the defense. Granted, SEVEN fumbles is fluky like getting struck by lightning twice while holding a four-leaf clover and riding a unicorn, but other than that the Vikes played pretty darn well. AD’s fumbling is the only concern for me because it’s slowly turning into a trend. I thought he only fumbled against the Lions to give them a fair chance…
The good news is that T-Jax is playing playoff-caliber football and we still have THREE chances to clinch our first home playoff game since 2000. The bad news: well, it’s the Vikings. The team that fumbles seven times in a winnable game and tends to miss the playoffs in the most excruciating ways possible.
I’m only cheering for a Bears loss tonight. Not for the other team to win. Even typing “Go _______” would send me into an Exorcist-like vomiting rampage.
by ericj69 on
Dec 22, 2008 5:01 PM CST
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you are very misguided and foolish to think tj will ever be anything more than a wide out or a running back!!!! all the futility and frustration of the first 4 games came back with that mindless drone at quarterback!!!! he cannot read any defenses at all. he got very lucky against an arizona team that may be playing the worst football in the nfl right now. there is a place for qbs like jackson, its called the C.F.L.!!!! TJ the bus leaves for Regina in the mornig, i suggest you get your sorry butt on it.
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by norsemenxpress on
Dec 22, 2008 5:36 PM CST
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As opposed to Gus Frerotte
Who, apparently, can read defenses just fine and simply chooses to continuously throw the ball to the guys on the other team?
With Gus Frerotte at QB yesterday, we lose by three touchdowns.
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by Gonzo on
Dec 22, 2008 5:48 PM CST
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Misguided and foolish?
Someone sounds like a hater? How many ints did gus throw in how many games less then the people he is with at the list with most interceptions? How many Td’s and Ints does Tjack have the last 3 games? I’m sorry…but something just isn’t meshing well with your statement. Until Tjack plays bad people should just stop bashing him. I’m totally fine with criticism…but only when it’s deserved. Tjack has played great..far from perfect, but very very good. Thats all I have to say about that.
by Gregor22 on
Dec 22, 2008 7:54 PM CST
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im not saying gus is the answer, but it is apparent that the team, as a whole has more
confidence when he is on the field!!! he does not get flustered like tj!! do you honestly believe adrian runs as well with tj in the backfield?? A qb is the last piece to the puzzle and we need to think about the future and i dont feel tj is the answer!! we need to spend some money next year in the draft or f. a. i know gus has thrown more picks than tds but he wins and weve beaten some tough teams with him. as far as being a hater, i dont feel confident with tj at the helm and never will. i dont hate anyone!!!!!
by norsemenxpress on
Dec 22, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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rofl. So apparently Peterson NEEDS Frerotte in the backfield to help him run. Does Frerotte lead block for him or something?
by Frost on
Dec 23, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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qb and rb
I have to say if Tjack being in hinders adrian’s effectiveness as a runner than that is very sad. I can see a qb having an effect on wide outs and their composure and trust, but a qb just hands the ball to him. the line and adrian do the rest. That is the first time i have ever heard anything like that…all i can say if it really does affect him as a runner he has a lot of working to do, because that SHOULD NOT be the case.
by Gregor22 on
Dec 23, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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wow!
Frost we posted that at the exact same time..mine is longer tho
by Gregor22 on
Dec 23, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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the only thing i can see tjack having an affect on would be the crowding of the line of scrimmage…but that doesnt matter, cuz they did it all the time with gus too. There really is no difference.
by Gregor22 on
Dec 23, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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I have been one of Jackson’s biggest critics when he warranted criticism, and let’s face it, that has been quite often in his short career. But even I can see that he is actually improving now and he is our best option right now. I’m not saying anything about whether he is or isn’t the QBOTF because the season isn’t over yet.
Jackson was far from the reason we lost that game. Number one: God obviously wanted the Vikings to lose. I don’t ask questions of the Big Guy, but it was extremely obvious that no matter what we did it was going to be a loss.
Number two: Adrian Peterson has finally shown us his weakness and I don’t even have to name it.
Jackson played a fairly good game really, considering all the bad mojo floating around the Metrodome yesterday. And Shiancoe had a coming out party. His confidence must be sky high now. That could be the game that turns his career around.
Honestly, only two other games since I became a fan have made me more ill than yesterday’s game, and I don’t have to give you two guesses for you to know which two those were. As I type these words, the Packers have just had their winning FG blocked, so it’s not looking good for us.
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Dec 22, 2008 10:43 PM CST
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