Why not???

Why not T-Jack? He spent…what….11..12 weeks on the bench watching, learning, hopefully soaking it all in. There is no doubt he has the athletic ability. But it seemed his brain couldn’t process the info from snap to whistle fast enough. Maybe taking a step back slows it all down for him.

I dont know what to do. Lets roll with him for one week while Gus is on the mend. Then we will know for sure.

in the first place. Hell, Bevell and Chili were only letting him play with half of the KAO’s playbook and Shiancoe was dropping everything (Shiancoe is now the Vikings best and most dependable receiver). The first two losses can hardly be attributed to him alone.

Had Frerotte not been injured y’day the Vikings would have lost that game. Guaranteed. He was simply awful. Jackson played a flawless half of football. Gus is what he is a 52% lifetime completion guy with a penchant for the pick and immobile to boot. Jackson brings much more to the table and should be the starting qb the rest of the way.

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No one. No one expected Tavaris to come out of the gates in his rookie year and make the pro bowl. It’s called development and towards the end of last season he showed improvement. All offseason Chilie said he showed improvement and was farther along than McNabb at this point in their respective DEVELOPMENTS. This year he has thrown ONE interception in 2.5 games. In fact after he lost two close games to GB and INDY (last years conference championship teams) Chilie pulled him saying he was not aggressive enough. To me that says he learned the leasson from the previous season when it was drilled into him that we wanted a game manager. Well it seems to me he has learned another lesson having been benched all these weeks because he was decisive and accurate against Detroit.

The difference is Gus has been in this league forever and we KNOW exactly what we ave in him. Last year in St. Louis he had more INT than TD and he is on the same path this year if he can even get his body to cooperate.

vikingfiend Tavaris has been developing and has shown constant improvement. With Gus the bar is sooo freakin low there is no way TJ can do worse. Again TJ has thrown ONE pick (and if Vicante catches that TD vs Indy he is 2-1 with 3 TD and 1 INT). TJ has done NOTHING this year to suggest he worse than Gus who has been completely awful and terrible to watch. To not get behind TJ at this point is purely moronic.

nothing. The team’s often won in spite of Frerotte’s performance not because of it. Everyone remembers the 99 yd. strike to Berrian (the result of a blown coverage) against the Bears and forgets his wretched performance up until that moment and his ints. were a big reason the Vikings lost the first Bears game.

But it’s all academic anyway since Chili’s already announced that when he’s healthy the job is his. It will stay that way until Chili once again tries to save his ass by going to TJ and that will happen soon enough. See those touch throws Jackson made right on the money? Frerotte’s accuracy has been godawful all year constantly turning guys around especially on vital swings and screens to keep drives alive.

Hmm, it’s not moronic because he disagrees with me, it’s moronic because Gus is inaccurate, immobile, makes poor decision after poor decision, and because his body is broken down while Jackson has shown signs of improvement and done nothing this year to suggest he is worse than Gus. It is moronix because Gus formula of throwing 3 picks and taking 6 sacks isn’t going to win in the playoffs, no chance in hell. At least with Jackson there is hope that he has put the pieces together.

Everyone hating on Jackson ignores his record last year sighting his play, but sticks up for Gus’ record, what the hell is that? Gus has been horrible in the games we have won with him.

Start Jackson … if he wins and has learned then we have something. If he fails then we know what we have to do next year 100% and you go back to Gus having given the tired, battered, old man a rest and we lose eventually in the playoffs because Gus sucks unless our defense and AD bail him …again.

The stage is perfectly set for Jackson and I wish him all the best.

qb-wise because there isn’t one guy in it who can start in the NFL. Worst senior class overall in ages in fact.

If Chili doesn’t exhibit faith in TJ now what’s he gonna do next year bring in another overpaid guy at the end of his career like Donovan McNabb?

I like Gus Frerotte. He’s a great guy and played decently in spurts his entire career but he wore out his welcome here in DC not just for the infamous “wall headbutt” against the Giants but because of his horribly inconsistent play (and this was when he was in his mid 20s).

"I like Gus Frerotte. He’s a great guy " I will gladly fish with the man but in his prime he was average at best (a decade of stats speak to that), but seriously the last two years as a full time QB he has been far below average, and his body is quitting on him.

As to next year … the time is now and we are here. Jackson should be our guy NOW. If Jackson fails then perhaps one looks to Garcia or Cassel and grooms Booty. But again it’s Jacksons’ time now and we should get behind him. I like Jackson, he’s a good guy too.

Its maddening to follow a team whose fan base is always more in tune with the personnel and playbook than the coaches are.

The Vikings need to play T-Jack now for the betterment of the team and playoff aspirations.

Jackson was never been given full access to playbook. Even as of the past game, nickel and dime offense while he was in there… Yes he missed on deep pass, what QB hasn’t ? He has physical tools and may or may not have mental capabilities, but at least open playbook and allow him chance to make plays…Play calling ever since Childress has been here has been terrible most of time…Before we threw the 99 yd TD pass I was screaming…THROW THE DAMN BALL THIS TIME…No matter who we have at QB, until we become unpredictable and keep playbook open and opponets defense guessing our offense will be average at best and that is a shame with the talent we have with Peterson…

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2008/11/25/670534/bears-vs-vikings-the-throw#10272214

I think it’s hilarious, the amount of crap I’ve taken being a TJack supporter in the past – and now the tide seems to be turning.

I think there are two points that still have to be assured for TJack to be as steady and productive as he was in Detroit:

1. The offensive line has to protect the QB more. We’ve basically hung out QBs out to dry over the past two seasons, giving up a huge number of sacks (I don’t have the number but it’s over 30 per season, I believe). If Peyton Manning was our QB, he would be playing just as terrible because he would be running for his life just like Tarvaris or Gus.

1. Keep it simple. It seems to me that TJack can really shine when he’s forced to use his wheels. If Childress decides to start incorporating more playaction type plays, it might free up Berrian on long routes (since you’re basically forcing the defense to cover Adrian & TJack & even Shiancoe).

I do think T-Jack would be less effective if opponents knew he would be starting. They would game plan differently, and take away the things he likes to do (rollouts, short slants, swing passes to RBs).

I also think the single biggest asset Gus brings to the table is the ability to throw the deep ball, which, specifically makes Berrian more valuable and dangerous.

I do agree that Gus seems to be fading, and can look AWFUL (and I mean T-Jack awful) at times. Clearly, neither one is an ideal choice. Which is why I can’t help but consider the possibility of playing both guys a little bit, adjusting the playing time as dictated by the opponent and the flow of the game.

Give Gus the start. If things are going well, leave him in there. But if he’s struggling, if his accuracy is off as it has been, if he throws his typical “gift” interception, why not give T-Jack a series or two?

If nothing else, it will keep opponents guessing.

I know, I know… Some of you are saying “if you have two quarterbacks, then you really don’t have any”. Well, true enough. Just thinking about ways to get the most out of what we have, as well as to inform our quarterback decision for next year and beyond.

That I’m in the Tjack club. I was against his benching after two games, then I started to think maybe, just maybe, switching to Gus was a good move. Well, we’ll never know how Tjack would have done then, but I believe we should start him again now. Like others have said, we know what we have with Gus. Tjack an unknown, we don’t know how well he could possibly do. I say we take the chance. It wouldn’t take much to be better than Gus anyways, especially if he really has learned to put some touch on his passes and be poised in the pocket.

And so is Tarvaris. Even Brad Childress will not hold him back forever…

I can’t believe how many people are ready to throw Gus Frerotte under the bus after Tarvaris has had one good half of football.

You all are entitled to your opinions and I’m not looking for a fight. Hell, I WANT Tarvaris to be the next great Vikings’ QB, but many of you were yelling for Tarvaris to be benched over the course of his tenure as the Vikings’ starter. When he was, everyone cheered. When Frerotte won a few games, everyone cheered harder.

I am merely surprised by the huge knee jerk reaction of the collective Vikings fandom. I knew this would happen to a certain extent, but I’m keeping my skepticism until Tarvaris actually proves something to me. And really, in my opinion, a playoff push is not the time to be testing him unless it’s necessary and Gus is hurt.

Again, only my opinion.

Let’s go back to Week 2, shall we? Nearly every single one of us wanted T-Jax benched. Don’t lie. He looked terrible, the offense looked terrible, the team looked more or less terrible. Just because Jackson played one good half against ONE OF THE WORST DEFENSES EVER, THAT HADN’T EVEN GAME PLANNED FOR HIM, doesn’t make him our savior. Unless Tarvaris really has exponentially increased his football IQ, he’s still going to be the same guy that oh-so-predictably rolls out, looks to rush too early, and can’t throw a deep ball to save his life (which would in turn negate the threat of Berrian we’ve enjoyed so much this season).

The real problem here is that the Vikings have is that we have not one but two very serviceable backup quarterbacks. We’ve had the problem all year. People like AD, Allen, and the Williams Wall do a great job of masking it, but that’s the truth. Both QBs can come in for a game or two and perform, but unfortunately we can’t realistically expect either of them to carry a playoff team.

It really is true—the most popular person in town is always the backup QB.

1st Why is everyone up north so anti Tebow? Did any of you even watch the Alabama game? I have watched this kid from a frosh and he never ceases to amaze me. Sure, he is not the pretty technique boy with the slender, lean body but he makes it work day in and day out. Don’t give me the Heisman curse crap. Some have done well. Tebow will not embarass this team and town with humiliating escapades off the field and he plays with an old school attirude ala Jared Allen. Just not as goofy off the field. I think Jared rocks! Tebow is a born leader and will run with the force of a LB when he needs too. I’m sick of all these pretty boyz who come in all touted up and turn out to be losers. The QB position is a crap shoot. This time I think they shoud shoot for a QB with an attitude. Minny would fall in love with this kid.
T-Jax, as I have said before, may have been done a favor by sitting out. By his own admission he said he was try too hard to be perfect. A couple of us here pondered the issue of a QB buddy system. Where is Gus best at in certain situations. Then yank the covers on a D and send in T-jax to pass short , hand off or take off with it. Keep playing the hot hand. What the H? It worked Sunday although be it against Detroit.
I have been a T-jax detractor not because of him but just the timing of trying to expect an unseasoned kid to lead a team to the promise land. I hope he make me eat crow and finish the season big. One could hope for nothing more as a fan and for T-jax himself. If he is really going to be the guy now is his chance to show what he learned and step and prove himself.
Finally, Allen never had the intent to injure on any plays I saw where he was find. This Detroit Kitty rookie sat there and eye balled JA coming across and calculated his hit. This is not bias but cold hard fact. If Jared was fined this punk should serve the 4 games. But you only get that if your a hefty Viking D lineman who took water pills. Hmmm? Someone elses knee or my own tubby water weight? Which is more deserving of a suspension?
Great discussions and comments from everyone. It’s always fun.

I was basing that on the many idiot comments in the Startrib blogs. Not here. People even saying we are being biased and 2-faced about the Allen hit. Makes me wanna barf!
The gang here is a smarter crowd by far. Whether I agree or not. For the most part bloggers here are smart. I learn a lot from many bloggers here.
This Christmas thanks to all of you sent well wishes concerning my accident. It was one year ago today I was in a coma at Shans in Gainsville. Basicly-dead. Now it’s home to Minn for the 1st time in 4 years and….the Falcons game!
If I don’t get to write from Minny, Merry Christmas to eveyone. Thanks for a great time Gonz. Hope to blog for the playoffs.

The guy obviously has a ton of character and is a great leader. . .hell, he goes off with his parents during the off-season and does missionary work, for crying out loud. . .but until a quarterback actually comes out of the University of Florida and accomplishes something in the professional ranks, there’s always going to be some degree of skepticism.

See also: Grossman, Rex. . .Weurffel, Danny. . .Palmer, Jesse. . .Leak, Chris. . .Matthews, Shane. . .

Like I said, I’m not anti-Tebow or anything. But I am skeptical about the kid.

compared to the NFL. The defenses are light-years behind NFL squads both in terms of talent obviously and scheme. That’s why with only a few exceptions — Peyton Manning, Elway and Aikman — there’s almost no “sure thing” when it comes to that position in the NFL. I haven’t read one NFL scout yet who didn’t have anything but bad things to say about this year’s senior class.

The lucky rookie qb’s are those who go to a team with a strong running game and defense (think Flacco and Ryan) that doesn’t make them try and do too much too quickly and allows them to learn the nuances (especially making the crucial quick reads) of the pro game slowly.

Good point on FL QB’s. Maybe it might be more of a Gator jinx than a Hiesman one?
All in all, I would love to give any one of the QB candidates a shot in purple. As I said, QB’s are a crap shoot. We could list all the mid to late round picks that excell.
Seems your better off in FA and filling other needs earlier in the draft. I don’t know how OT’s look this year but that would be a start. If we could get 2 monsters early to take Cook and Mckinny’s place. Go for it!
Once again the writers here show common sense and good arguments. Well done.