Jared Allen Interview
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807eea7e
Seems like a nice guy, pretty funny too.
Well I have to make this 75 words long. So what if Booty looks better than TJ during camp and preseason? Would it be stupid to go out with him as the #1? Do you think TJ deserves a shot regardless?
I really hope TJ can come around this season, because if he cant his ass is gone next season.
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Nice and Funny don’t win you Super Bowls. We paid dearly to acquire his services, and he needs to prove that he can be dominate and sober. The only thing he has proves thus far is that his ageny is a genius.
I have no doubt that Booty can do a better job managing the offense. T-Jack is only effective when the defense and/or AD light up the scoreboard. We need to give the guy a chance (he will fail) and then let Booty or Frerotte lead this team to the playoffs. By giving T-Jack the first shot, it will eliminate any controvery and quiet the media.
by Viking4Life on
May 4, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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Be Realistic!!
I cant see the logic in saying that Jared Allen hasn’t proven anything but a rookie QB will lead us to the playoffs! It is-in fact-on record that he has been dominant. (see week 3 highlights of last season) Hmmm-lets see-He led the league in sacks last year despite playing in only 14 games-Has 45 sacks the last 3 years-Trails only 1 other person in total sacks since he became a pro. Has multitudes of fumbles caused, QB pressures and knockdowns. That, I say, would be called proven.
A rookie QB, no matter what his pedigree, hasnt played a down in the NFL. That is the essence of the word unproven!
It’ll be interesting to see how TJ has progressed this year. I for one, am not ready to write him off!! Go TJ and go Vikes!!!
by stratoscaster on
May 6, 2008 12:14 AM CDT
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You watched Allen play one game???
Against underwhelming and overpaid Mt. McKinnie and you are ready to call him dominant? Please.
First of all, Jared Allen is a six-pack of Budweiser away from missing at least 8 games. Sure, he says he licked his drinking habit, but we also heard that from Koren Robinson so I’m not going to declare him sober until he’s proven it for at least 2 seasons. Second, just because Allen has a high number of sacks doesn’t make Allen a complete player. If sacks were the only measurable for a DE’s performance, then the Packers KGB would play every down and be the highest paid player in the league. Allen is very undisciplined and is average at best against the run. I also don’t know if Frazier’s defense is going to give him the same freedom that he had in KC. One thing that I do know for sure is that our run defense is not going to be as dominant as it has been in the past, but that’s something that we have to live with if we ever hope to get to the QB consistently.
I never said that Booty was proven, only that he probably gives this team the best chance to win if we need the QB to win the game. I have no doubt that T-Jack can win games if we can run the football for 300+ yards or have the defense/ST score two or more TD’s a game, however it’s not realistic to expect that every week. QB is not only the most important position on the field, but also our biggest weakness. T-Jack couldn’t even beat out Matt Jones at Arkansas, so I’m fairly positive that (if given an opportunity) Booty will eventually be the starter in MN.
by Viking4Life on
May 6, 2008 7:44 AM CDT
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Uhhh...
“You watched Allen play one game??? Against underwhelming and overpaid Mt. McKinnie and you are ready to call him dominant? Please.”
You did, I guess.
The rest of us noticed he led the leagues in sacks when he was the obvious choice for the double team on his D-Line in 07.
“I also don’t know if Frazier’s defense is going to give him the same freedom that he had in KC. One thing that I do know for sure is that our run defense is not going to be as dominant as it has been in the past, but that’s something that we have to live with if we ever hope to get to the QB consistently.”
Do you even know how the Cover 2 works? The tackles and the linebackers are primarily responsible for stopping the run (check), while the DE’s are primarily responsible for applying the pressure on the QB from the outside (didn’t happen in 06 or 07, but will in 08). Did you hear once how Ray Edwards, Brian Robison, or Udeze were credited for the Vikings’ ability to stop the run? How does this signing make the Vikings worse against the run? And how does that give Allen any less freedom?
by TMW on
May 7, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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You don't think the DE's factor into the rush defense? LOL!
Your statements tell me all I need to know about your knowledge and understanding of the game.
In a nutshell, our DE’s play a lot of two-gap, which limits the DE ability to rush the passer. It’s a read first, then react analogy. This obvious changes on sure passing situations (enter the undersized Robison), but the defense is designed to contain the outside edge and allow the OLB to flow freely to the football. The DE might not make the tackle, but that player is a big part of the run defense.
If Allen is going to be successful rushing the passer (to the tune of 15 sacks), he is going to need the freedom to use his speed on the outside edge. Anyone that understands the game knows that an outside rush is going to open up the 3-hole. Therefore, will Allen be able to utilize his pass rushing skills in this defense? I think he will, however there will be a cost. Viking fans need to understand that giving Allen the freedom to rush the passer should help our pass defense, but it’s going to mean allowing more yards on the ground than we have in recent years. It’s a simple trade-off, and given our troubles covering in the secondary the last couple of seasons, I’ll take it! .
by Viking4Life on
May 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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I still don't see it as a trade off
“Anyone that understands the game knows that an outside rush is going to open up the 3-hole”
That gets filled by the middle linebacker. I’m still not seeing this trade off of rush defense for pass defense.
There have been plenty of cover 2 defenses the 05-06 Bears, 06-07 Colts, the 02 Bucs, etc that have been able to use the scheme to stop both the run and the pass. The key has always been to have no weak spots in the D-Line coupled with fast linebackers.
by TMW on
May 8, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Umm....C'mon man, this is basic football.
Opponents can run a strong left eye formation set and pound it through that hole all-day if the DE doesn’t hold his ground. If the DE allows the tackle and or TE to get to the second level, watch out, as the FB would seal the MLB and you’ve got a big play. This is probably the most popular running play in the NFL (I think Chilly runs this about 10 times a game behind McKinnie and Hutch). Ask the Bears if they have ever seen this play? The biggest reason that the Bears did a better job stopping AD in their second meeting was Mark Anderson played the RDE postion in game #1 and Alex Brown playing the RDE position in game #2. Mark Anderson was a LB converted to DE, and more of a pass-rushing specialist that continually was out of position against the Vikings. Go back and watch the tape if you don’t believe me.
The Chiefs defense gave up on average 4.34 ypc in 2007. This was 25th in the league, and the worst among teams employing the Tampa-2 system. MN (3.1 ypc), TB (3.8), IND (3.8), Detroit (4.27) and Chicago (4.33). Sure, it can be successful when you have a talented front-seven (as the Vikings do), but you also have to carefully pick and choose when you rush the passer. As I stated earlier, I would gladly give a little in our rush defense to create more pressure and help out our porous secondary.
by Viking4Life on
May 8, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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Hmm
I wonder where you get your info from? Jared Allen is “very undisciplined and at best an average DE against ther run” Just because you heard from a so called source that he isnt very good against the run does not make this true! I have also heard from some so-called experts and the opinions run the gamut from “poor against the run” to “average against the run” to “is very good against the run” So which opinion is closer to the truth? If you look at the numbers, he very much holds his own against the run. In 2007 he had more total tackles than all but 6 other defensive ends. In 2006 he had more than all but 3. I wouldnt consider this average, nor would i consider this undisciplined.
You seem to think that all he does is pin his ears back to try to get to the QB, the rest of the defense be damned but lets look a little further shall we. He’s had 25 passes defensed, 186 tackles, 13 forced fumbles, an interception and he’s even caught 2 TD passes on offense in the last 3 years!! Oh-but wait-he fumbled once-What a one-dimensional, undisciplined Bum he is!
Now you have him on a defensive line that is clearly superior to the one he played on and you’re putting him on a faster playing surface. Maybe he wont have the numbers that he did at KC (I believe he will) but at the very least what he will do is free up the Williams boys to create a little havoc.
As for his drinking incidents-Someone once said that you gotta look into the crust of a man to see where he really stands. Koren Robinson sounded believable and we all certainly wanted to believe that he kicked his habit. I dont get that same feel with Allen. He has been very forthright in his interviews and hasnt tried to downplay the issue and actually seems to go out of his way to try to give the reasons why that is past him. Add the fact that the NFL looked into it (When Mr. Goodell was making players, for the first time, answer for their off the field discretions) and were convinced enough to knock off 2 games from his suspension. Top that off with the media interviewing his past teammates and his family and what they have to say about the subject makes it very compelling. I guess time will tell.
by stratoscaster on
May 7, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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Multiple Sources...
And I’ve watched enough Chief games to concur with what many sources have stated. Even Viking fans need to read objective opinions from time-to-time. It’s not really a knock on Allen either, as most good pass rushers are susceptible to the run.
Here’s one quote from Scout.com>
“Allen is a great player, but has holes in his game. I can show you the stats concerning his lack of sacks in the fourth quarter – where most games are decided. It’s common knowledge he isn’t the league’s most prolific run defender”
link….http://kan.scout.com/2/747951.html
To be fair, I think Allen’s lack of sacks in the 4th quarter also have a lot to do with KC not having the depth on their DL and keeping Allen fresh in games.
And, since you love statistics to much, here’s another one for you; The Chiefs ranked 28th against the run last season.
I also hate the faster surface logic. What surface are the blocking lineman playing on?
by Viking4Life on
May 8, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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By another token
To be fair, I think Allen’s lack of sacks in the 4th quarter also have a lot to do with KC not having the depth on their DL and keeping Allen fresh in games.
It probably also has something to do with the fact that, since they were 4-12, they were probably behind a lot in the fourth quarter and teams were trying to run the football and wear down the clock.
I’d be interested to see what the ratio of run/pass plays by KC opponents in the fourth quarter of games was.
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by Gonzo on
May 9, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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I would agree...
That’s a very good point, Gonzo. Thanks for sharing.
by Viking4Life on
May 9, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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Coaching
This has to be one of the more interesting exchanges in a long time.
Has anyone considered the affect that a change of defensive line coach will have on Jared? Karl Dunbar in one of the absolute best in the business and has had guys do pretty well against the run. Don’t you think that some of his tutelage may improve that aspect of Jared’s play? Take on top of that, Dunbar likes to run a rotational system rotating guys in and out to not only keep their legs fresh, but to maximize defensive opportunities.
The trade off may be when the Vikings ability in pass defense is markedly improved and opposing offenses will not be so one dimensional in their attacks and mixing in the run more because the pass isn’t working like it used to. Either way, it should be very fun to watch this year.
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by Luft Krigare on
May 10, 2008 6:01 AM CDT
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Another good point
Just remember what kind of reputation Kenechi Udeze came out of USC with. . .he was regarded as a great pass rusher.
Now, in the past couple of years, he’s regarded as one of the best run-defending ends in the game.
Karl Dunbar makes guys pretty good against the run. And even if Allen is only “average” against the run, he’s freaking outstanding as a pass rusher. The other 10 guys on the field are all pretty outstanding run defenders. . .they’ll make up for any supposed deficiencies that Allen might have.
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by Gonzo on
May 10, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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T Jackson will play and stay
T Jackson will play and stay as our #1.
All of you armchair coaches will see!
by Yarsmang on
May 14, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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