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Projecting the Vikings' 53-Man Roster: Tight Ends

I apologize for the lack of an update yesterday.  Real life prevented me from getting to the computer like I had wanted to.  But fear not, because we are returning to our projection of the 2008 Vikings' roster.  I mentioned in my last roster projection with the wide receivers that I thought the tight ends merited their own post, so that's what we're doing this evening.

Here's what the Vikings' TE group currently looks like:

Number Name Height Weight Experience College
40 Jim Kleinsasser 6'3" 270 10 North Dakota
45 Garrett Mills 6'1" 235 3 Tulsa
47 Braden Jones 6'3" 260 1 Southern Illinois
81 Visanthe Shiancoe 6'4" 250 6 Morgan State

This group offers a pretty interesting mixture.  I think that, in this case, I'm only going to keep two tight ends around, because Jeff Dugan already fills a sort of hybrid TE/FB role.  TE is a pretty underrated position in many cases, but I don't see any reason to keep four of them on the roster.

Jim Kleinsasser, in my opinion, is pretty much a lock to make this team.  Sure, he's only caught four passes in the last two seasons, but he's got very few peers when it comes to his blocking ability for NFL tight ends.  With as much as the Vikings want to pound the run on offense, that's a pretty big thing, particularly with the right side of our offensive line (Herrera and Cook) still developing and in need of some solid assistance from time to time.  That and we NoDaks gotta stick together dere hey don'tchaknow dere yah?

(There, I've fulfilled my Coen Brothers/Fargo stereotype quota for the year.  Don't ask me to do it again.)

To be honest, I don't know a heck of a lot about Braden Jones.  I know that the Vikings have stashed him on the practice squad for a while, so he hasn't seen any significant action outside of the pre-season.  If he does have any practice squad eligibility left, perhaps the Vikings will attempt to keep him there again.  In any case, I don't see him having any sort of significant impact on the Vikings in 2008.

So, in this scenario, that leaves two players fighting for one roster spot.  Visanthe Shiancoe was one of the Vikings' "big" acquisitions in the 2007 free agency "bonanza."  (The quotes there are used to indicate sarcasm.  Hopefully it comes across better that way.)  For a guy that was supposed to stretch the field for the Beloved Purple, he sure as heck didn't impress anybody, racking up only 27 catches for 323 yards and one touchdown.  Also, keep in mind that 79 of those yards came on the opening play of the game against Oakland on a play that was so well-designed and left him so wide open, even Troy Williamson could have cau. . .wait, no he couldn't have.  Take out that one catch, and that gives him 26 catches for 244 yards, an average of about 9.4 yards/catch.  Stretching the field?  How's about stretching the limits of believability?

Then there's the story of Garrett Mills.  The Patriots kept him on their practice squad for a year or so, and last season Brad Childress called the Patriots up to let them know that he was interested in signing Mills to a contract.  New England then said that if the Vikings signed Mills away from the Patriots, that they'd be forced to. . .

pause for dramatic emphasis

Sign somebody off of Minnesota's practice squad!

To which Brad Childress basically said, "Meh," and signed Mills anyway.  He then proceeded to have Mills on the inactive list for 15 games, and gave him his only playing time of the season in the finale against Denver.  But, you'd have to think that Childress saw something that was worth incurring the wrath of Beel Beelecheek, or else he wouldn't have taken him in the first place.

With that in mind. . .here's what I see for the tight ends as it relates to the 2008 season:

Blocking Tight End:  Jim Kleinsasser
Receiving Tight End:  Garrett Mills
Practice Squad Option:  Braden Jones
Cut:  Visanthe Shiancoe

Yes. . .unless Shiancoe has an amazing pre-season or this team decides to keep an unusually high number of tight ends on the roster, I can't justify keeping Shiancoe around based on what he's shown.  He hasn't been as advertised as a pass catcher, and he wasn't terribly impressive as a blocker in 2007, either.

Agreements?  Disagreements?  Do you think Shiancoe stays around?  Think I'm overrating Garrett Mills. . .or possibly underrating Braden Jones?  Let me know what you think in the comments section, and continue enjoying the rest of your Monday night.

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Garrett Mills COULD be the answer to our TE questions....

To be honest, as much as I really do like Mills and think he will contribute much more as a “receiving” TE over Visanthe, my only problem however with relying on Mills is the fact that he was only in a game situation once. He really doesn’t have a whole lot of experience. I don’t think we should be hypocrites and talk about how good Mills is after one game when we look at pecker fans who are ranting and raving about Rogers after a half of football and saying how “GREAT” he is and that it doesn’t matter that “FAVRE retired because Rogers will pick up right where Favre left off”...... We look at those Pecker fans over there and Laugh when we hear such nonsense. but yeah, as much as I believe Mills will be a very good TE for us this year, I think we need to see some more out of him before we make a final decision on him.

by JHerrera76 on Jun 2, 2008 8:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Well, in that respect. . .

Mills wouldn’t exactly be taking over for a legend, either.

My issue with the whole Rodgers thing isn’t whether or not Rodgers will be any good (though I don’t think he’s going to be anything special). . .it’s the people that think that the drop-off that the Packers will experience at the QB position will just be an eensy-weensy teeny-tiny little difference. It won’t be. It’s going to be a huge drop-off.

It’s not so much a matter of Mills’ talent. . .it’s a matter of the guy he’d be replacing being overpaid and not that good.

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by Gonzo on Jun 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Agree

Blocking Tight End: Jim Kleinsasser
Receiving Tight End: Garrett Mills
Practice Squad Option: Braden Jones
Cut: Visanthe Shiancoe

What a bust Shiancoe proved to be. I can’t see us being any worse with Mills, that’s for sure.

And yes, we have to keep at least one NoDak on the roster. Besides, you’ve got to love Kneinsasser. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pancake as many people in one play as Kleinsasser.

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by BaldViking on Jun 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT   0 recs

No way Shiancoe gets cut this early into his big contract.

I don’t like that practice either. Signing a guy to a monster deal (monster for him) and then cutting him after one season. He deserves a 2nd season to prove his worth IMO.

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by Unclebillybonz on Jun 2, 2008 10:05 PM CDT   0 recs

I’m sure I won’t get too many people agreeing with me, but I’ll go out on a limb and speculate that MIlls makes the team and Kleinsasser gets cut.

Mills set a NCAA record for receiving yards by a TE in a season. He’s definitely got the hands and skills to be the receiver Shianco was intended to be. With his college receiving stats, half the Vikes fans would be wetting their pants with excitement if he was just coming out of college and drafted by us this year. The Patriots figured he was good enough to keep, but not polished enough to use up a roster spot on a team making a superbowl run. They tried to slide him onto their practice squad like the Vikes tried with Thigpen. The Vikings felt Mills was good enough to take up a roster spot while having no more responsibilities than preparing himself for the future.

Kleinsasser had his contract restructured last year so he had a cut in pay. The Vikes were certainly willing to cut him loose if he didn’t agree to the cut. With Kleinsasser getting another year older and Shianco and Mills having a year to learn the playbook, logically Kleinsasser would be more expendable now than he was a year ago.

BTW, Shianco is in the second yead of a five year contract. I’m no expert on how cutting him would affect our salary cap, but I’m guessing the results wouldn’t be good. On the other hand, it looks like Kleinsasser is in the last year of his contract.

Kleinsasser only caught 4 passes last year and 7 the year before. He’s taking up a spot on the field of somebody that could give us more production. Yeah, when he’s on the field we gain his blocking, but what do we lose by keeping somebody else off the field? As to his blocking abilities,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyEemjm_7E

by Skywatcher on Jun 2, 2008 11:02 PM CDT   0 recs

You know, you are probably right about Kleinsasser. I am a Huge fan of his, I think his blocking skills make up for his lack of recepetions, but i’ll agree that he, if any of the three get cut it will more than likely be him. There is no way Visanthe gets cut, his contract is far too large with far too much time left to let him loose after just one season. I think Mills has way too much talent and potential to cut loose too so with all the respect in the world for Jimmy, I just think his time is up here in Minny. I really hate to say that because he is such an asset to the Offensive line and I know he has been a good mentor to Cook and Herrera on the right side. But to be honest, as long as Mills is still on the team, thats all that matters. I still want to see more out of him until I make my judgments on him but from what i’ve seen, I think he will be pretty good for us.

by JHerrera76 on Jun 2, 2008 11:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Well, Kleinsasser’s blocking skills on that video look about as brutal as Troy Williamson’s catching abilities. Whether he makes the team may depend on how much of a rarity that is.

by Skywatcher on Jun 2, 2008 11:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep Three

While greatly underwelmed by Visante Shiancoe’s performance thus far and not denying Dugan’s ability at tight end, I favor keeping three tight ends and relying on versatility in the offensive line to provide the roster spot, thus giving Shiancoe another season. I do not foresee McKinnie receiving a long suspension. I do seem to detect in some of his interviews that Shiancoe is inwardly befuddled that the Vikings do not run the same offense as the Giants, although this should not have come as a great surprise to him. He needs to learn his assigned role in the KAO or else. He was not given that raise to come here and coach, and even if he wants a job elsewhere, it would benefit all concerned by his starting to catch more footballs.

by Elgar on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Mills

I agree that mills will make the team. I don’t know about cuts, although it seems like dugan could be the blocking te if someone has to go. However, I saw Mills in person against Oklahoma, and other than our beloved AD, he looked like the best player on the field. He has great hands, and we saw how well the plays are designed to get tight ends open. Shiancoe dropped several long easy ones, Mills won’t.

by betterman91 on Jun 3, 2008 1:34 AM CDT   0 recs

Ya can't just cut V.

I know he hasn’t lived up to the offer we gave him.
Either trade him, or give him a year to improve his stock – then trade him.

I want a duel threat TE – we need it.
Having the catching ability always keeps the D nervous or off balanced.
Klein is a machine! but…

We have a new & improved team this year – a lot can change!
Vin – might be able to get open now with Wade playing slot etc.

P.S. My GL Blitz TE avg. 12.5 yards per catch!
http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=9113611

by Duluth Guy on Jun 3, 2008 11:29 AM CDT   0 recs

KEEP KLEINSASSER

Offensive line guru, Mike Tice, made Jimmy into one of the most feared blockers in the NFC. TOOO many teams would make room for him, and then He’d be blocking against us on occasion. From what I’ve seen of Shiancoe, I can’t imagine Mills would be a downgrade. Keep Three.

by Duluth Viking on Jun 3, 2008 5:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Keep 3

Think you have to keep three here.

If you bunch the FB and TE´s together, and assume that you will keep 5 as a core group, wouldn´t you cut Tahi (or Dugan) before even thinking of dropping Mills, Shiancoe or Kleinsasser?

by Iceland-Viking on Jun 3, 2008 5:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Jim Kleinsasser

correst me if I’m wrong but if i remember right Jimmy was a ass catching fool, when enny Green signed him he caught a whole boatload of passes underneath as a safety valve for Cunningham and and Culpepper. It was Tice who made him a blocking TE. he can still catch and block. I think they keep him for his final year of his contract and not resign him (although they should). i think they should keep Jimmy and cut Shiancoe if they cant keep tem both

by NMViking on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 PM CDT   0 recs

It's really too bad that the Vikings never cultivated Jimmy K's catching abilities.

As a UND alum the same time Sass was there, I can say the guy was a machine catching the ball in college and had some serious wheels after he catch as well. It still bugs me a little that we never really got to see those skills in the pro’s.

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by Unclebillybonz on Jun 4, 2008 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Dump All of them!

Sorry guys, but not one TE on the Vikings roster is a game breaking talent! Kleinsasser has become as big of a waste (bust) as any of Mike Tice’s former 2nd round picks! For 10 years this guy has been nothing more than an additional OL and of late, he has gotten pretty lame at it!

Shiancoe was one of Brad Childress’s biggest mistakes! Or was that Spielman’s doing? Either way, you don’t throw $18 million at a back up who has done nothing nor provided any inclination that he could be worth that much cash to begin with! He dropped 3 end-zone TDs last season! That was worse than anything Williamson did IMHO and by not going after a better talent or draft pick this year, once again the TE position of the Minnesota Vikings will be its weakest link! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mills is too damn short to play TE in the NFL but out of all 4 he has the best chance to produce at this level. Just needs to stay healthy and he will show in games why he should be in more often than Shiancoe!

Dugan, the HB, is another wasted roster spot! So if you count em all up, only 1 out of 5 players is worth keeping. And until this team can address the TE position sincerely, they will have nobody that will play this season that can be a threat or additional weapon for the Viking offense! TRULY PATHETIC, ONCE AGAIN!!!! JM2CW!

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by BigMo on Jun 4, 2008 5:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Geez BigMo, if the TE position is our biggest concern

I’m extra excited for this season! I think you are suffering from an acute case of Fantasy Footballitis though. You clearly can’t appreciate the TE position unless they are putting up Gates or Gonzalez type numbers. We are not that type of passing team anymore and while I am luke warm on Shiancoe calling Jimmy K a bust is just absurd. Yes, he is old now, but in his prime he was hands down the best blocking non-Olineman in the league.I wonder, what Chester and AD would say about Jimmy’s value to the team? The guy has NEVER complained despite being asked to switch positions several times and always been a great teammate, never once bitched about not getting the ball and does great work in the community. The Vikings should consider themselves lucky to have a guy with his character on the team for as long as they have and quite frankly could stand to have a few more like Kleinsasser.

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by Unclebillybonz on Jun 6, 2008 10:32 AM CDT   0 recs

One of the extra FBs will go

Jimmy Kleinsasser is by far the best blocking tight end in the business, even at 10 years. Did you see the hit he put on Pro Bowler Osi Umenyiora during the Giants game last year? He blew him up and knocked him backwards on his back side! It was a pancake block from hell! Nobody else in the league can do that with the consistency game after game like Jimmy does. Joe Gibbs knew that a few years ago and that is why the Vikes franchised him prior to resigning him. He was a big part of the right side of the o-line leading the league with a 7.2 yard per carry average and that was while fortifying Ryan Cook in his first year as a full time starter. Then take the fact that Bryant McKinnie is facing some sort of suspension; whoever will temporarily replace him might need some help.

I was stationed up in Grand Forks and had the pleasure of watching Jimmy at UND. He was a pass catching machine there and dominated enough to make him stand out and be drafted by Enny Green. He can still catch and is usually very reliable in the end zone. He obviously has played H-back before and could easily move inside and play as a small tackle if needed. If you cut Jim, there would be, "many teams would make room for him", plus you’d be giving up a massive amount of capability that doesn’t exist elsewhere. Kleinsasser will stay.

With coach Childress saying this about Shianco, "We’re hoping Visanthe Shiancoe makes a move this year. We think he’ll be better in the second year in the system." The likelihood of the underperforming Visanthe being cut is probably nil, especially his $18.2 million dollar contract. He is probably the surest tight end on the team to make the final roster.

Garret Mills looked good in only the one game he ever played in, last year at Denver. The Patriots liked him and so did the Vikes, enough to take him off waivers but he is on the smallish size at only 6’1" and 235 lbs. He could possibly play some HB or FB if needed too. But he has played only one game and that is what everybody is making their judgments on. That worries me a little but coach Childress likes his, "natural wiggle and a natural feel in the passing game." I like his ability too, especially comparing that one performance against all of Shiancoe’s first year in Purple.

If the Vikes keep these three tight ends, which I fully suspect will happen because of the chance of injury in that demands some sort of depth, which one of the two extra fullbacks gets cut, Tahi or Dugan? Thomas Tapeh we know will start, so does will Childress go with the more traditional, human bowling ball style fullback at 6’0" and 254 lbs that he seems to like in his version of the West Coast offense, or will he go with the hybrid 6’4" 258 lbs Dugan that is a converted tight end? That question will most likely be made on the final roster cut. That is my take on the subject. Good break down Gonzo.

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by Luft Krigare on Jun 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT   0 recs

So much depends on this group in 2008. Dramatic improvement here will mean dramatic improvement for the entire offense. Check it out.

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by virginia viking on Jun 23, 2008 1:53 PM CDT   0 recs

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