Phat Pat and Jared Allen are Neither Amused Nor Impressed
With the people at ESPN taking the opportunity on Monday night to fawn over Aaron Rodgers' every move (most of which were not really all that impressive), a few of the members of the NFL's best defensive line have thrown a few barbs the way of our neighbors from Wisconsin.
Pat Williams, the best run-stuffing defensive tackle in the league, was asked by a reporter if he had been keeping up with the Brett Favre saga. His answer sums things up pretty nicely.
“Damn, that’s their problem,” Williams said. “They’re going through all that as a team, trying to figure out if Favre or (Aaron) Rodgers was the man, while we’ve got the same team we had all offseason. I’m glad they got all that darn press, ‘cause when we go down there it’ll be the kid’s first start and his first damn loss.”
Williams assumes that Rodgers will actually last all the way through the pre-season to start the regular season opener. While I suppose that could happen, I wouldn't go betting my mortgage on it yet.
Jared Allen, the best defensive end in the NFL, also chimed in on the matchup:
“Playing Green Bay on Monday night to start the season – that’s everything you want,” Allen said. “Hopefully, I can put my helmet square in the back of his spine. If I can do that and knock the ball loose, it’ll be a good day.”
Don't worry, Jared. . .you'll get that opportunity at least once. Probably more than once. Probably a LOT more than once.
Oh, and Phat Pat wasn't done.
“They had a nice year last year, but they don’t understand that Brett made those guys better than they were,” Williams said. “He has the game all figured out, and you’ve got to factor all that into the equation. Brett Favre would throw the ball when the receivers hadn’t even made their cut yet, and it would be there waiting for them. Those guys had it good.
“People think it’s the system, but it ain’t no damn system. Brett Favre just knows where his guys are going to be at all times, and I don’t think Aaron Rodgers has got that yet.”
And he's exactly right. The Packers DID have a great year in 2007. They went 13-3 in 2007. If anyone thinks they would have gone 13-3 in 2007 with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback, they need to think again. If anyone thinks they're going 13-3 in 2008 with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback, they need to be submitted for a psychiatric evaluation.
From the part of the MNF game I saw, here's the impression I got of Rodgers.
-It's his 4th year in the National Football League, and he still clearly hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game. He likes to hold on to the ball. . .for way too long. I know that has to make Jared Allen happy.
-If he keeps making the kind of throws he was making on Monday night, the Packers might be starting Kelly Campbell at receiver by Week 5, because he's out to get people killed.
I saw nothing out of him that makes him any more impressive than everyone's favorite media target, Tarvaris Jackson. In fact, Jackson had a superior performance against a superior defense (sorry, Bengals fans, but it's true) than Rodgers had in his first pre-season look. As of right now, Tarvaris Jackson is probably a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers, regardless of whether or not anyone outside of the Twin Cities will actually admit it.
I'm sure we'll now have Packer fans over here talking about last year and this and that and the other thing. Save it. Last year is irrelevant. Last year you weren't starting a guy with 59 career regular season passes at QB. It's 2008, and I've seen nothing to this point that leads me to believe that the Green Bay Packers are monumentally superior to the Minnesota Vikings. In fact, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that they're superior at all. Honestly, other than the receiving corps, at what position is Green Bay a better team than Minnesota?
-Quarterback? Nope.
-Running Back? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA please.
-Offensive Line? Nope.
-Defensive Line? See Running Back.
-Linebacker? Nope.
-Secondary? I doubt it. (If you want to argue this, feel free to go back and watch the NFC Championship game. Then come back here and apologize.)
Nope. . .the one thing that gave Green Bay a decisive advantage over Minnesota last year is currently taking snaps in New York. Pat Williams and Jared Allen are exactly right, and I'm very much looking forward to watching them back it up on 8 September in Green Bay in front of the Packer sycophants at ESPN.
0 recs |
32
comments
Read Related
Comments
TJack
I like how you talk about how injury prone our QB is while showing a blind eye to your own QB. The guy cannot stay healthy. Cmon.
Only one problem with your argument:
Secondary? I doubt it. I mean, look at the entire season last year. Who was dead last in yards given up through the air? Don’t cherry pick one game. I can cherry pick one game and say AP sucks. Get real.
I like how you line up positions and tell me how you guys are a superior team. Like the coaching, system, and past success would not matter. Paper champions again. Congrats Vikings!
by wils0646 on Aug 13, 2008 8:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Well, then, let me add. . .
Coaching – Hell, Brett Favre even made Mike Sherman look good for a little while. Mike Sherman’s coaching in college now, correct?
System – You mean the system that Rodgers has run in a game environment for a quarter? When his team was down 17 points and Dallas was clearly playing softer?
Past Success – Tarvaris Jackson was 8-4 as a starting QB last year. That’s 8 more wins than Aaron Rodgers. If you’d like to detail all of Aaron Rodgers’ past NFL success, please feel free to do so. I’m sure we have the bandwidth to handle it.
As far as injuries, Jackson was injured in the midst of being a starting NFL quarterback and taking hits in numerous games. Rodgers has seen significant action in 2 NFL games, and in both cases was unavailable to play the next week.
Throw in the fact that Tarvaris Jackson is better than Aaron Rodgers, and I really don’t see where your argument comes from.
The Daily Norseman - The greatest Vikings' site on the Internet!
by Gonzo on
Aug 13, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
up
0 recs
Fair Enough
I don’t think the Vikings won because of Tarvaris. I think they won most of those games despite him, to be honest. His stats probably show this. You can look at the Oakland, Giants, SF, SD, and both Bear games to see that he wasn’t the main reason why the Vikings won. Just my opinion.
AR played on the broken foot for more than a couple series against NE. The broken foot was a fluke injury. He got stepped on by one of his offensive linemen.
His hamstring injury was during practice and he definitely could have played the next week if he was starting. But since Favre is the QB of the Packers, management thought resting him instead of giving him reps and suiting up as the #2 was the right decision.
You can’t really say either is better at this point. AR hasn’t even had a chance to compare himself to TJack. I can’t say AR will be better even though I think he will be. Just speculation. I don’t think AR will ever have a game where he goes 10-20 for 50 yards or 6-19 for 72 yards, IMO. I don’t think that’s possible with our talent on that side of the ball.
by wils0646 on
Aug 13, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
up
0 recs
wtf?!!?!?!
I’m sorry if you cringe when we say this but AT THE CURRENT MOMENT TJack is miles better than Aaron Rodgers, purely based on experience and stats.
I’m not going to sit here and say I think TJack is amazing, partly because I still distrust the guy being our future quarterback, but based on his stats he is eons ahead of Aaron Rodgers at the moment.
You’re comparing a hypothetical situation and numbers to someone who has actually played an entire NFL game. I could do the same and say that If I played for the Vikings I wouldn’t do this or that but the fact of the matter is that AR hasn’t done shit and while TJ had done very little its way more than what AR has done.
I would like to also further point out that you’re team is a passing team, not a running team so all we need to do is have our qb be semi-competent at the position and get OK stats and we will be ok. GB can’t solely rely on Grant, they need WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more help from their qb than we do. And if you guys do have to come down to relying on him, well all I can say is good luck because i really don’t even think he is that good, would’ve been better to go after turner than sign him to the deal you guys did.
by FSUViking on
Aug 13, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
up
0 recs
something else to add
Who would you think is better, FSU’s QB Drew Weatherford or Brad Johnson. Even though I hate both I still would give it to BJ
Obviously we are comparing apples to oranges here but no one in thier right mind would choose Weatherford over Kitna.
The same principle applies to this situation. Proven vs Jury still out/sucks.
P.S. Couldn’t think of anyone crappier than Johnson,
by FSUViking on
Aug 13, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Well. . .
P.S. Couldn’t think of anyone crappier than Johnson,
Chris Rix was right there. (-:
The Daily Norseman - The greatest Vikings' site on the Internet!
by Gonzo on
Aug 13, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Talent?
Talent on the offensive of the Packers has some direct reflection to who the QB is. Since Brett is no longer there the talent level is down. Brett was responsible for at least 3 maybe 4 games last year by himself. Remember the fantastic running game the Packers had in the first 5 games? Do you honestly think the WR’s of the Packers are going to be catching balls like they did last year? Rodgers has no “touch” on the ball. He just flings it as hard as he can. Even his WR’s have said it. If Rodgers ends up with 15 TD’s and 15 Int for the year consider it a good year. And you right, its not fair to compare T. Jack to Rodgers. T. Jack has at least started some games, Rodgers has done nothing.
by raptorman on Aug 13, 2008 12:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Baltimore Ravens circa 2000
Going to Vikings/Ravens preseason game Saturday.
Was talking with bro-in-law today. He a HUGE Ravens fan.
I think this Vikings team may be a whole lot like that Ravens team. Very good running game (Vikings should be better) and Great Defense (Vikings should be very good).
I mean Trent Dilfer has a SB ring. If T. Jax can just stay out of the way and make minimal mistakes like Dilfer, could have similar results.
Regards,
I don't suffer from insanity...I relish every moment of it!
by the Dragon on Aug 13, 2008 7:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Why do Paker fans read Vikings blog
I don’t get. I would be ashamed to be caught looking at a Packer’s blog.
by keomr on Aug 13, 2008 7:48 PM CDT 0 recs
Agreed
Don’t care about the packers at ALL!!!! Would rather the Lions win the division then the pack.
by FSUViking on
Aug 13, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
up
0 recs
I don't mind a Pack fan coming over,
but it’s important to know the difference between “confidence” and “delusion”.
by Jesse on
Aug 14, 2008 6:04 AM CDT
up
0 recs
I read all the NFC North blogs
And I try to represent us with some dignity. I may not like the teams, and I may not like some of their fans, but it’s always the douchebags you notice, and not the decent folks because they don’t come over here with the sole intent of starting shit.
by Robert Rence on
Aug 14, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
up
0 recs
Question
What do they pack anyway?
Ya Sure You Bettcha
by The Bears are Ditkaless on Aug 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT 0 recs
pat williams?
the best DT in the game…id’ have to disagree. #91……go bears.
by SuperBowlXX on Aug 14, 2008 11:23 AM CDT 0 recs
Are you serious?
The best DT in the game is Haynesworth. By far. And as far as Tavaris Jackson, hes a joke. Very worthless. And how can you say that AR sucks because he hasnt done anything in the league because he hasnt played? He sat behind a guy called Brett Favre, maybe you’ve heard of him? He’s been tooling you douche bags for years. And the Packers coaching staff felt comfortable enough with AR to let Brett go, knowing if he stayed the team would be a contender. I’m pretty sure the Packers coaching staff knows more than the band of losers on the page. The Vikings are a joke. And I’m not even a fan of another team in the NFC north, just making a good observation.
by Shainoc on
Aug 15, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
up
0 recs
LOL
I guess if we like DTs stepping on people’s heads than yeah he would be the best at that. Get a fucking clue, who were the best DT tandem last year?
How is TJ worthless? Put up better numbers than Vince Young did. That’s a fact, go look it up.
I can confidently say he sucks because the only few NFL snaps he has taken he has gotten crushed and has had 2 injuries. Oh also TJ has also done a little something called PLAYING AN ENTIRE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!
WTF does sitting behind Brett Farve have to do with anything? If you had any clue about the NFC you would’ve seen the reports about how AR is doing in camp, and last time I checked he really wasnt doing all the great. Did you MNF game with him in it?
As far as the Packers “coaching staff”, Ted Tompson is not on the coaching staff, moron!! And what a complete load of bullshit, they claimed we tampered, lied about him having a Packers phone, and when they realised they were screwed either way the coin fell with farve tried to bribe him to stay retired. Sounds like a pretty good Front office to me. Did you even notice how stupid the Packers have looked recently?
Your observations suck, go back to having a QB who wants to retire 1 year after entering the NFL.
by FSUViking on
Aug 15, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
up
0 recs
...
Might wanna try using paragraphs next time, I know it takes sooo much effort to press that return button but seriously it could be a good work out for you.
by FSUViking on
Aug 15, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
up
0 recs
One last note
And as far as Tavaris Jackson, hes a joke. Very worthless.
Take a long, hard look at Vince Young’s performance last night. “Worthless,” indeed.
4-for-13 for 37 yards in a pre-season game? This is the guy that your team runs out there to play QB every week, and you have the gall to call our guy worthless?
I hadn’t really thought much about it prior to now, but thanks to you, I certainly hope we go out in Week 4 and just piss-pound your team.
The Daily Norseman - The greatest Vikings' site on the Internet!
by Gonzo on
Aug 16, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Wide Recievers
I noticed you missed WR and that is a position the Packers probably beat the Vikings at. An argument could be made that Berrian is better than Driver or Jennings but Driver/Jennings is better than Berrian/whoever.
As far as the whole QB conversation goes I honestly have to put them at even in my book. Tavaris has shown potential but is still very much unproven. I don’t care much about win loss records proving a QB is good or not when it’s a team sport. The fact of the matter is that T Jack is still unproven and we should know a lot more at the end of the season. I’d have trouble deciding if someone told me I could have T. Jack or Aaron Rodgers starting for the Vikings this year. I’d probably go with T Jack just because I’d want our guy but if say I was a Chicago Bear fan deciding between the two I’d have to flip a coin at this point. I think there’s a very real chance that Aaron Rodgers does look like the better QB at the end of the season but only time will tell.
As far as overall team, yes I think the Vikes are the better team but I’m not convinced our secondary can hold up even with a few new additions. Until the real season begins we won’t know a whole lot.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
Tell me the argument that will convince me Berrian is better than Driver or Jennings. Honestly. I’m all ears.
by wils0646 on
Aug 14, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
up
0 recs
OK
I said an argument could be made I wasn’t saying I necessarily think that way. I guess my wording should have been there could be an argument could be made that Berrian will be better not that he has been better than either of those two.
However the argument is that Driver is getting up there in age and I wouldn’t be shocked if he drops off a decent amount this year. Jennings has been great and especially with how he’s started out will probably have a better career than Berrian and a better year this year. The main argument is to look at who was throwing to these guys last year. The 2 headed awful QB combo in Chicago vs. Brett Favre. It’s no contest who had a better QB throwing to them. That along with the fact that Chicago hasn’t had a decent complement to Berrian unless you count Devin Hester, which I don’t. Having another stud WR is the best way for a WR to flourish. Most of the best recievers in the league have a guy that is damn near their equal on the other side of the field (Harrison, Wayne) (Moss/Carter) (Moss/Welker) (Johnson/Housh your mama).
Randy Moss is probably the best example of this if you look at his career and how it dropped off with the Raiders after being the best in the league in Minnesota. Then back to New England with another guy to take some coverage away and a good QB and he’s a stud again.
Anyhow, like I said before. I’m not even saying that Berrian has been or necessarily will be better but it is a possibility, especially if T. Jack develops into even an average QB this year. The teams have open books at QB so really it’s going to depend on who develops better of those two as well as if Ryan Grant can run as well as he did last year to take pressure off of Rodgers. Should be an interesting battle between these two teams this year and I’m looking forward to it.
Now watch the Lions or Bears will come out of nowhere and whip up on both teams. Unlikely but this is the NFL so you never know.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on
Aug 14, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Wins and loss records for a QB are never touted
until you talk to a Packers fan, then it’s one of the best and most popular stats ever to make a point.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Aug 15, 2008 12:50 AM CDT 0 recs
But but but but
AR held a clipboard behind Farve, surely he is the OWNAGE!?!!?>>!?!!?!>!?!?!>
Right mates?!!!
by FSUViking on
Aug 15, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Stupid
The best DT in the game is Haynesworth. By far. And as far as Tavaris Jackson, hes a joke. Very worthless. And how can you say that AR sucks because he hasnt done anything in the league because he hasnt played? He sat behind a guy called Brett Favre, maybe you’ve heard of him? He’s been tooling you douche bags for years. And the Packers coaching staff felt comfortable enough with AR to let Brett go, knowing if he stayed the team would be a contender. I’m pretty sure the Packers coaching staff knows more than the band of losers on the page. The Vikings are a joke. And I’m not even a fan of another team in the NFC north, just making a good observation.
by Shainoc on Aug 15, 2008 6:01 PM CDT 0 recs
Double post
Shainoc’s comment here is a copy/paste of the one above. Since the other one has actual replies, this should probably be deleted.
by Robert Rence on
Aug 15, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
up
0 recs
No one cares
Seriously, see your post above but no one cares what an AFC, Titans fan has to say about the NFC North or honestly the NFC.
Go back to brown nosing Brett Farve because we all know according to your logic that holding a clipboard behind him means that your automatically an amazing QB minus the fact that when you do actually get to play you get slammed and get 2 injuries.
Idiot.
by FSUViking on
Aug 15, 2008 7:10 PM CDT
up
0 recs
You know what the difference is
Between the “terrible” Tarvaris Jackson and the “great” Vince Young?
The 2006 Rose Bowl.
That’s it. That’s the list. Outside of that, they’ve been exactly the same quarterback for the last two seasons. Except ESPN-worshipping dorks like you have a constant raging hard-on over Vince Young while telling people that Tarvaris Jackson sucks.
Seriously, if you’re not going to have any clue what you’re talking about, then you probably shouldn’t talk.
The Daily Norseman - The greatest Vikings' site on the Internet!
by Gonzo on
Aug 15, 2008 10:15 PM CDT
up
0 recs
And, by the way
The only thing that Albert Haynesworth is the “best” at is stomping on the faces of guys that aren’t wearing helmets, because he’s a gutless punk.
People like you might call him a great DT. . .here in Minnesota, we’d call Haynesworth “number three on the depth chart.” Because that’s where he’d be.
The Daily Norseman - The greatest Vikings' site on the Internet!
by Gonzo on
Aug 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT
up
0 recs
Well said
LOL basically a nicer rehash of what I said, Agree 100% Gonzo!!!!!!!!!!
by FSUViking on
Aug 15, 2008 11:53 PM CDT
up
0 recs
hahahaha
Love the comment about Haynesworth.
It’s funny because it’s true!
by FSUViking on
Aug 16, 2008 12:19 AM CDT
up
0 recs















