First off, great to see a little numbers analysis. I know football isn’t baseball, but does anyone know of anyplace that breaks down a QB’s numbers by route, distance, location on the field, or down/yardage needed? I’d be real curious to see what Tarvaris does well and what he doesn’t.

Second, as much as I want to be with you on the “go easy, we coulda gone 2-0 if not for a ref and Visanthe,” I just don’t buy it anymore. I think every team, every year, can say the exact same thing for about 3-4 games each season. The point couldn’t have been more clearly expressed than by the Colts last weekend: down 15-0, missing their starting pro bowl TE, starting center, and Def. POY safety—they hung in there, executed when the plays they could, adjusted at halftime, and put their players in the best position they could to succeed.

I feel bad for Tarvaris, as I think he could be better with a better play caller—a lot better, actually. But he did himself no favors last Sunday. Both he and Chilly earned those boos, in my opinion.

you say you believe that T-Jack could succeed in another system with a better coach, but on the other you say he deserves to be booed because of the bad play calling he executed, but had no controle over.

By no means am i suggesting T-Jack is the second coming of Fran, but he has the potential to be much better then has been on display in theGreat Chiller’s Prevent KAO.

I used Yahoo Sports to get the break downs I used in my post while it is much more extensive then any where else I have seen I still find that it is lacking in some of the finer details both you and I would like. I would also like to see the split stats that they offer ona game by game basis, but I have yet to find a place to find them.

what erks me to no end is the Ref for the Denver game is getting a “downgrade” but the ref for the vikings-Greeenbay game is not even though he made an equally bad call (especially since he had teh oportunity to reveiw it) that changed the entire complexion of the game resulting directly in a loss. I am made beyond words that there will be no sanctions placed on that ref , or on Ted “the Briber” Thompson. Not even an investigation!

at last years numbers bear out much of what I said. T-Jacks has his best QB rating, compleation percentage when passing to the right and left, and by far the most success passing on 2 down. in particular 2 and 6+ yrds. This is the situation we should be looking to pass in.

I have been saying this all along, PASS THE BALL MORE!!! Running more will only result in All Day getting beat up and even more guys stacking the line. Basically, it will go about the same as the last two games. Tjack obviously does better when he can pass more throughout the game. He needs a chance to get in a rhythm, and that’s only going to happen if we pass more. Also a wider range of passing plays and routes would help.

For most of his first season he was the back up. but then he was the back ups back up, nad since B. Johnson was the starter, long time veteren starter vs rookie backup, i don’t think that T-Jack was giving to much advice to Johnson. After that he was “Da’ Man,” so he really does not have much experience with the ol’ clipboard.

Looking back at the pass play calling in the preseason, and based on what i’ve seen so far this season, we have just 2 pass plays in our play book. short middle, and deep to the sidelines. with only two, low probability, options it is no wonder T-Jack has seemingly failed. and I can’t see how Gus Gus will fair mutch better. Especialy as he has very limited mobility by comparison, and Bevell has stated that “I’m sure there will be some subtle differences, but for the most part the things will be the same.” with out more variation how can he have any more success, when every ones grandmother can call out the plays?

Despite that, I hope his vastly greater experience will help move this team forward to our first victory of the season this sunday, even if it means one more year of the “Chilly.”

Preseason numbers mean NOTHING. If they meant anything, then A.D. would still be averaging less than 4.0 yards per carry, and Chilly would have began one of the two games they’ve played with 11 consecutive pass plays.

By today’s standards, a good QB rating is at least 15-20 points higher than Tarvaris’s better half so far (or his career rating, for that matter). The average NFL passer rating was 80.9 in 2007. TJ has a 68.5 career rating, and his single season high is only 70.8. By comparison, Rex Grossman’s career rating is 70.9. Josh McCown’s career rating is 71.6. Quincy Carter’s career rating is 71.7. The great Kerry Collins has a career passer rating of 73.5, and the immortal Gus Frerotte’s career rating is 74.3. Frerotte is the only one of those in the top 100 career ratings of all time. In the context of the real world, an improvement from a 50-something to a 60-something passer rating does not warrant any sort of celebration or optimism.

Any analysis of the numbers will prove that the Vikings failed miserably when they missed the opportunity to sign Chad Pennington (most accurate passer in NFL history, 88.5 career rating ranks 11th all time without a Pro Bowl receiver or TE) or Daunte Culpepper (78.0 last year on one of the worst teams in the NFL, 8th highest career rating all-time) as a backup who would likely take over the starting role.

Chilly doesn’t seem to like the idea of plugging in a good QB. He seems to prefer NCAA Division II QBs like Jackson and Thigpen (who is starting for the Chiefs now after the Vikings decided to cut him shortly after drafting him) and obscure veteran guys with low expectations like Frerotte and Holcomb over anyone who can actually play. He seems to be going for the genius points and ego strokes rather than actual results (especially wins). Brooks Bollinger had the highest rating on the team last year (not counting Kluwe or Sidney Rice for their 3-for-3 pass attempts), and was only given one start against a playoff quality team. Of the 60 players with 50+ pass attempts last season, Bollinger ranked 18th, and Sage Rosenfels ranked 23rd. Chilly & Co. had expressed interest in trading for the older, lower-rated Sage Rosenfels in the offseason. Do the Vikings have a QB as good as Brooks Bollinger this year, I wonder?

brad Johnson should have been an ideal QB for Brads System. Carreer 62% comp , low sack rate, low Int rate. but his numbers all faced a significant decline under chilly’s coaching. even in 2006 when we know chilly was callin’ the shots, 75 of the passing plays were short to the tight end or fullback. even if Bevell is calling the shots, those are still the same plays being called. only diff now is that wiggins could hold onto the ball.

I believe that T-Jack is a lot more accurate then his numbers suggest. how meny dropped passes has he had to Troy Williamson and “stone hands” Shiancoe that we would all agree were right on the money? I wish someone kept track of dropped passes on any kind of regular basis, but i would be surprised if there was any team who had more drops the last 20 games then the vikes. what do you think that has done to both his QB rating and Compleation? if even 1/4 of those drops were catches he would have more TD’s then Ints and a Comp that would have been north of 60. and a SigFig higher QB rating. That would not have been bad for a first year starter, who was, by all accounts a raw project.

I can’t count all the times i saw troy williamson, arms outstreached like he’s suplicating himself to the lord, and the ball bounces right off his numbers, when the nearest D-back is 10 yards away. TD’s don’t get more gauranteed then that.

T-Jack, and every other QB we’ve had since the Chiller got here, have not been helped by the fact that the KAO only lets the TE get open. I have yet to see any of our other Recievers get away from covorage. this would be ok if our TE could hold onto the ball, but all he does is drop the ball, except when he decides to fumble it that is. there is no excuse for every reciever to be covered like a dog with flies when every team is overcommiting to the run the way they do with us.

Those dump passes to the fullback that has every one so mad at T-Jack and his supposed decision making must realize that the shear consistant freaquency of that same dump pass, by every QB since chilly arrived means that that is the called play and not T-Jack deciding to not look down field. wouldn’t matter if he disobayed the Coach any way since recievers are not allowed to get open downfield in our offence anyway.

As for going after a legit starter in the offseason, who would we have gone after? Sage Rosenfels (to late for me to look up how to spell his name, sorry ;( we could not have gotten JA then. Houston wanted to much. then who else? Derek Anderson? se Sagey. his status as RFA would have ment no JA also. Josh McCown? I don’t think so. Dante? wouldn’t sign here with Chilly in charge. Joey Harrington? pass, next! Chad Pennington? Wasn’t available really until after the whole Favre thingy was settled. too late by that time.

Sorry this post got a little ranty, but its late and I had along shitty day and that makes it hard to focus.

I ment Sh*!#y day