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Gus Frerotte, Tarvaris Jackson, Brad Childress, and the Firing Range

I told you yesterday in my late update that I had had a long day on Tuesday, but not the kind of "long day" that you look back on and are glad it's over.

See, as a military member, I have a lot of things that I have to do in addition to my "regular job" of being an instructor in order to keep things running smoothly.  Some require a couple of hours to take care of, some require a day, some require a few days, and they usually involve various types of training.  However, yesterday was almost like a holiday on the military calendar for ol' Gonzo.  Why?

Because yesterday was "M-16 Qualification Day."  It isn't a national holiday, but by God, it ought to be.

Yesterday, my day consisted of learning everything there was to know about the M-16 rifle. . .the different parts, the firing procedures, the different firing positions, and so forth.  We took the weapons apart, put them back together, and learned about each part, inside and out.  After that, it was out to the rifle range for practice and qualification.

The process at the range begins with what's called "zeroing" your rifle.  Basically, you shoot 5 groups of 4 shots a piece, and these groups of shots are used to make "sight adjustments" to the weapon. . .if you're firing too high or too far to one side or something like that.  After the zeroing process, you get to fire 30 practice rounds in groups of 6.  This ensures that everything is working okay with your rifle.  Then, the qualification process begins. . .50 shots, and depending on what classification you are, you have to hit the targets a certain number of times to be qualified.

It's actually quite similar to football, when you think about it.  (See, I'm going somewhere with this. . .just hang on.)  Your zeroing process is a lot like mini-camps and training camp, getting the basics in order and stuff like that.  The practice rounds are more or less like the pre-season games. . .an opportunity to implement what you've already started working on.  Finally, we get to the qualification, where things get to be "for real" and there's no realistic chance of going back and starting over.

Well, a weird thing happened yesterday out on the range.  There were about 10 of us out there at different positions doing our qualifications, and when we got to the qualification part, one of the females that we had out there with us had her weapon constantly jam up on her, leaving her unable to fire the appointed number of rounds in the allotted time.  Bad juju, right?

Our instructor did the best he could to come up with a solution.  He had brough an extra M-16 along with him in the bus for just such an situation.  He put a few rounds into a magazine, fired them at a practice target, did the best he could to get it zeroed in, and gave it to the airman to use.  Sufficient to say, she fired badly and, though she DID reach her qualification mark, she scraped it pretty closely.

How does this finally relate back to football?  Because the same principle that we're seeing happen with the Minnesota Vikings right now.

You don't go into battle with a weapon that you don't have faith in.

Now, this can be applied in two ways. . .the first being the obvious one, the switch from Tarvaris Jackson to Gus Frerotte at quarterback.  Brad Childress, who talked all off-season about how improved Tarvaris Jackson was and how he was going to be a bigger part of the team and this and that and blah blah blah. . .we know now that that was a bunch of crap.  Brad Childress doesn't (and probably didn't) really believe in Tarvaris Jackson or his abilities.  He simply stood in front of you and me and reporters and Viking fans everywhere and said those sort of things to soothe his own inadequacies.

Someone that had faith in his quarterback wouldn't have called the kind of football games that Brad Childress has called over the first two weeks of the 2008 NFL season.  And if he didn't have that faith in Tarvaris Jackson from the word "go" , as far back as the pre-season or even mini-camp, then he owed it to himself, to Tarvaris Jackson, and to the Vikings' franchise to step up and admit as much, and to get the Vikings to go another direction at the quarterback position.  But he didn't.  He's bought into his own hype about his ability to develop a quarterback and thought he could just throw Jackson out there with THIS game plan and THIS scheme and get the job done.

Really, what quarterback has Childress ever developed?  And please, PLEASE don't give me Donovan F. McNabb.  Color me crazy, but McNabb seems to be doing just fine without him, thanks.

So now, after an 0-2 start, Brad Childress has given into the most basic, yet most powerful of human desires. . .the desire to save his own ass.  And as of now, he thinks that Gus Frerotte gives him the best chance to do that.  Don't get me wrong. . .I'm never, EVER going to cheer for my team to lose. . .but I'm not sure if I'd be totally heartbroken if Gus didn't turn out to be a knight in shining armor for this team, because it would mean that Childress would be on a bus out of town after the season finale against the New York Football Giants.

To a lesser extent, the theory also applies to the gameplans that Childress has given the offense in the first two games of this season.  Clearly, Childress didn't have faith in Jackson to execute the entire playbook, which is nothing short of mind-numbing at this point.  Basically, if I can slip a movie reference in here, Childress sent Tarvaris Jackson out into the arena to face Maximus Decimus Meridius. . .and basically armed him with a spork.  If the playcalling doesn't change, it won't make any difference who's calling the signals. . .this offense is going to continue to be horrible.

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I know that there are a lot of video gamers out there among you, so let me put it this way.  To the right, you can see an approximation of the Vikings' offensive playbook over the first two games of the 2008 season.  You can see that there's a run to the left for Adrian Peterson, a run to the right for Adrian Peterson, and some very basic pass plays.  Yes, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tecmo Bowl Offense.  Hell, it's not even the Super Tecmo Bowl Offense. . .Super Tecmo Bowl gave you EIGHT plays to choose from, which we all know is way too many.  And in the second half of the Colts game, Tony Dungy was picking Brad Childress' play every. . .single. . .time.  And we know what happens in Tecmo Bowl when you guess your opponent's play, don't we?

So, don't go into battle with a weapon you don't have faith in. . .whether it's war or football or paintball or even a battle of the wits.  Maybe Brad Childress will show a little more faith in his weapon now that he's gotten a new one.  If he does, that's really a sad, sad testament to his abilities as a head football coach.

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Gus Frerotte in for Tarvaris Jackson. Whadda ya think?
It's about damn time!
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This quarterback change sponsored by Bad Idea Jeans
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Childress and Bevell are still calling the plays, so does it really matter?
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great blog

you rarely miss your target, Gonzo….

I’ve said since the day Major Dad drafted this kid….you can’t force a system down a player’s throat, and expect him to perform…..I can’t even form an opinion on Chilly’s “kick ass offense” because we haven’t seen more than a couple pages of it….Jackson is an athlete, and IMO, athlete’s don’t make very good WCO variation QB’s….you need a passer, as in ACCURATE, to move the chains….Gus gives us a better chance of running this offense, whatever it may be, than Jackson does…..

I really don’t expect anything special out of Gus, but we really don’t need a Superman performance….just open it up a little for him, take advantage of our skill players, and give the team a chance to perform….

by Hilton Head viking on Sep 17, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The real reasons to fire Childress

1. His offense only kicks ass in his head. If T-Jack and Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger never saw more than a few pages of it, then it would be too complex and counterintuitive to be useful for 95% of QBs and therefore nothing more than an epic-sized bad idea. Whatever the offense, it is Chilly’s job to have it running on all cylinders long before his third year, and he has failed miserably. And most likely, there aren’t many pages left to Chilly’s offense that we haven’t seen already. He doesn’t believe in throwing the ball beyond the chains on 3rd down, so he’s not going to have several pages of deep passes like Dennis Green and Brian Billick had.

2. Finally, someone agrees with me that accuracy is everything, especially in a vanilla dink-and-dunk offense like this! CHAD PENNINGTON IS THE MOST ACCURATE PASSER IN NFL HISTORY! If Chilly & Co. didn’t trust T-Jack enough to open up the playbook 100% in Jackson’s third year in the system, then why didn’t they sign Pennington?!? T-Jack was likely to get hurt by running around anyway, and if Pennington was hurt, then JD Booty would have a chance to play if all hope seemed lost (or prove himself to be the next Jeff Hostetler). All three QBs would have been legit candidates to start for the next 3-5 years or more. The Vikings and Chiefs needed Pennington more than the Dolphins.

3. Bring back Daunte! Yes, he was awful in Miami, but more than ok on an awful team last year.

by KC Viking on Sep 17, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was a great piece

I heard about the news, then posted a piece over at Acme Packing Company, but I didn’t have time to check out the Daily Norseman. I’m glad I did. Very well written, insightful, thorough, and the ‘Gladiator’ reference was spot on.

I’m just happy the Packers aren’t in the same spot right now. From a sports fan perspective, I’m sad that Childress might be gone. Anyone else might give the Vikes a better chance of beating Green Bay.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 17, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Got nothing else to say regarding the coaching situation

I’ve been disgusted enough already, so I’m switching topics.

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the M-16 as a rifle. Tendency to jam, difficult to adjust the site. How do you feel about it?

by Robert Rence on Sep 17, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't have any complaints

I’ve never had a problem with the weapon jamming or anything like that. The most difficulty I’ve had is if the person (or people) that had it before me don’t give it a decent cleaning that you have to take it apart and do it yourself before you can well and truly use it. Other than that, it seems to be a pretty decent weapon.

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by Gonzo on Sep 17, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

M-16

It’s not a great weapon. But yeah, people tend to treat them like crap, so they only get worse. To me, it’s amazing that we haven’t replaced a rifle that was put into service in the 60’s.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 18, 2008 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rifle itself is a fine weapon. The round that it chambers

has always been the biggest issue with the M-16. It’s to small for a primary militry weapon.

VikeGuru is a doofus!!

by Unclebillybonz on Sep 18, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rifle

This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. Use it on Childress please. Center mass Charlene.

by StAlphonzo on Sep 17, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's sad

childress never put tarvaris in a position to succeed. i feel bad that the kid has to take all this heat, including getting booed in his home stadium. any other coach could have either A. evaluated correctly and known he wasn’t ready, or B. just opened up the play book completely and let him show you if he is ready. but either way, tarvaris was in a position to loose. when you put the reigns on a qb like that (the offensive play calling) it doesn’t truly show his abilities. i think we saw a glimpse of his ability in the second half of the green bay game when they got down and had to air it out a bit. tarvaris wasn’t spectacular, but he kept him in it. (even favre was prone to the late interception like tarvaris had). either way. tarvaris should have been a back-up and childress should have never been a head coach. it will all play itself out. get the potential-coach list ready Zygi.

by iowa_cyclone on Sep 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your right

Its not the team or players but the Coach,no one can excel with the play calling.Nothing gets disguised,no inventive plays,same old thing over and over again.Brad Johnson though not a burn up type guy is a very decent QB,wouldnt want him as a fantasy player but can play and win.
Game this year with a 3 rd and 1 no running back and we go for a pass.Me,Myself would have gave to A.P. but then I aint a Coach.With 8 in the box I would prolly start out running game then screen passes to (Duh) A.P.Then start lobbing a few 10-12 yard strikes mixed in with Doses of A.P.and C.T. Then I prolly would mix them in pretty good.Green and Tice had less to work with and won more,this Guy Chilly has a real K.A.O.March 60 yards Kick a F.G.then Kick Off.Doesnt matter who Q.B.s as long as Chilly is Coach we aint going to the big dance.
Change is needed and it aint anybody with numbers on chest or back.

by speedlod on Sep 17, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In Jackson's defense

Those were two losses to playoff quality teams, and Jackson wasn’t terrible enough to lose his starting job already.

Were the backup someone who could start for the next 3-5 seasons (Chad Pennington or Daunte Culpepper, for example), then I would be ecstatic. I’ve always liked Frerotte, but I doubt he could take this team to the playoffs this year. Even if he did that, the Vikings would have the same QB quandary next season (and probably a new one centered around JD Booty two years from now).

by KC Viking on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But a Bright note

T.Will Has played 1 game and caught 2 passes for the Jags for a total of……11 yards.Boy we should have kept him eh.

by speedlod on Sep 17, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm going to hang in there

but i’m having a really hard time with the whole ideal, but i love the vikings so i’ll get through it.

What up?

by snakethejake on Sep 17, 2008 10:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Teamwork

Obviously there is no teamwork in the Air Force. If one of your team is having trouble qualifying, you position your best shooters on each side and they both “lend” a couple extras to the person in the middle. We had one “re-qual” shoot an impressive 21 out of 20 that way. Of course, on submarines, marksmanship is not considered a really critical skill…

Back to the Vikings:
The decision comes down to this – The Wilf’s decided they were ready for a change at QB. I’d imagine Childress has the remainder of the season to sink or swim. The reality is – we don’t actually know why the plays have been fairly vanilla. Is it Childress’ preference? Was it all Tarvaris could handle? Is it all our receiver’s can handle?

Remember – Detroit had an amazingly complex offense last year. How well did that work for them?

There is nothing wrong with Smash Mouth Football and the Vikes have the personnel for it. We have had two narrow losses to high quality teams. Had Berrien been a little faster and had TJ (I know, lots of conditionals) connected on just one long strike both games, we’d be singing his praises.

Maybe this is an odd question, but do you love the game of football enough to enjoy it even when your team loses?

by dkerfoot on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the Lions were in the Top 5 in Offense last year…? Or maybe it was just passing.

TJ’s also a victim of the schedule. GB and Indy were two powerhouses last year, and as others have pointed out we played them close. A 2-0 Carolina team with a fresh Steve Smith doesn’t bode well.

If the Vikes lose, I sure as hell don’t love that particular game, but I love football enough to enjoy other games (Dallas/Eagles was awesome).

by JasonAve6413 on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOMB STATEMENT!!!

I agree! Sometimes i wanna throw something at my TV but is CHILLY REALLY THE PROBLEM?! A play is a execuated to move the ball down the field, whether its the same play all game. TJ couldn’t move the ball, he never threw it and we he did it was shitty and to a Fullback or TE! Gus will move the ball. He finds the open recievers and throws it, faster than TJack will. EVERYONE will be surprised when we win sunday and we put up good numbers. Its the same coach that got us excited for this season, but TJ was the same crappy quarterback that wrecked the start… gus will pull us out……. i hope.

by Macdaddy4508 on Sep 18, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor TJ

This situation is a perfect example of setting someone up to fail b/c you’re too bullheaded. Chilli said he hasn’t seen the “aggressiveness” from TJ that he saw in the pre-season. DUH. In the pre-season, “Coach,” you had a game where you called 10 passes in a row to start the game. TJ looked good, and we moved the ball.

That’s more pass plays than were called in each first half of the first two games. How the hell is TJ supposed to be “aggressive????” Dierdorf was calling the plays at the line, so you damn well can be sure Dungy knew what we were going to do.

You couldn’t have said it better, Gonzo. I’ll route for Gus b/c it’s the Vikings, but a winning season means Childress might stick around, too. Maybe his self-preservation will kick in and force him to scrap his Prevent Offense.

by JasonAve6413 on Sep 17, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In Total Agreement

In the preseason T-Jack came out firing. the passiong game was loosened up and Action Jackson was ready showing that he deserved all the praise he was getting from the HC and teamates had given him during the offseason. then he got hurt. we may never know how much his drop off in perfomance (he is playing well below his career numbers when he got demoted) was due to lingering effects of the injury, bad playcalling by the “Chiller” (as in he who chills his own offense to the very bone), and how much is due to the “Troy Williamson effect.”

one thing is clear. the KAO offense is a QB killer. at least in terms of performance. every QB who has played in the Chillers’ system has had significant drops in his stats from his carreer numbers. lets look at the list
Brad Johnson carreer low in QB rating (in a season where he started). sigfig below carreer numbers in TD% and yards/attempt. he also saw a sigfig increase over his carreer numbers in Int%.

then there is Kelly Holcomb who saw significant decreases in his Comp, TD and QB rating from his Carreer numbers. on the bright spot, his Int% also dropped. alas that was the only bright spot for poor Kelly who is probably out of a job because he played in the Chillers system.

finaly there is Brooks Bollinger. interestingly enough his numbers seem at first glance to be better then any of the other QB’s, but then one looks at his sack rate. 13 sacks to just 68 pass attempts in 7 games, of which he started just 1. Bollinger was a brick in the pocket, and while he may have been an accurate passer, if he were to start all 16 games he would finnish the season with more then 60 sacks! And if he didn’t shake like a man with turretes at the end of the season then it would be a minor miracle.

So this begs the Question, did T-Jacks performance reflect his own limitations or did the limitations of the system affect his performance. I say the system had more to do with it then T-Jacks capabilities.

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by the Real Thor on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I THINK!!!

T-Jack didn’t throw the ball! Chilly can’t go in the game and make him throw it. Is a play designed for a 50 yard bomb and a two yard out to the Fullback… no. Thats what TJ would throw. He’s TERRIBLE!!!!!!!! I’m so happy gus is in. If i was gonna gave to watch that all season i was gonna either hang myself or become a packers fan cuz A-ROD is ROCKIN!!!!

by Macdaddy4508 on Sep 18, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Wade Admitted the PlayBook was limited

Which is what everyone here has said after both weeks 1 and 2.

You can’t expect to do the same things over and over again while expecting a different result- even with a change at QB. The playcalling must get diversified and the play book must be opened up.

Two Points:
1) What result did Chilly think he would get by limiting the playbook under TJack? That’s his confidence would be boosted by dumbing it down for him? How in the world is he ever going to learn to play with a “complex” playbook if the plays are never called in Games?
2) How is switching from a Player who’s in his 3rd year playing in Childress’s system, to one who has been for 6 Months going to make a difference? Using the same logic as point 1, will the playcalling be even more limited now?

Chilly’s mentor Andy Reid would often stand up at press conferences after close-losses where the Offense didn’t put up points, and would take the heat himself. That his playcalling in certain situations was off-mark, that the players did what he had asked and he F’d it up. It’s one of the reasons why Reid has such tenure with a team in one of the most aggressive and negative media markets. Too bad Childress didn’t pick this up from his mentor, and has resorted to passing the buck and looking for scapegoats.

Hopefully things change soon- and not just at QB.

by DelawareBerserker on Sep 17, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bobby who?!

Enough said… he sucks to.

by Macdaddy4508 on Sep 18, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Like It?

Do your part and sign the petition @ http://www.firechilly.com

by BMNFAN on Sep 17, 2008 11:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you not entertained???!!!

Gonzo…I admit I have only read your blog the last two days and you wrote what I have been screaming to my poorly misinformed Bears fan friend for the last two weeks. Although I never had my weapon jam on me I am willing to “Give you a clear line of sight and one well placed round to be an instrument of war” If it worked for Barry Pepper in Saving Private Ryan it may work for you Gonzo.

Unfortunately I am an Iowa Hawkeye fan and the last two seasons I have the pleasure of watching the same infuriating game TWICE every weekend. If a middle age guy stuffing his face watching football on the couch can tell the play by the down/yardage/personnel I am willing to bet the guys that watch 50 hours of game film a week knows as well. For crying out loud Dan Dierdork (the guy that got fired from Monday night football) might as well had the play microphone in his ear.

Maybe we can still get Mike Tice back. Didn’t he win 7 in a row the year he was FIRED? Didn’t he have less talent, less staff, less resources?

If Shiancoe catches that bootleg pass Sunday maybe TJack gets to actually call some real plays rather than 3rd and 2 with AD in the backfield….let’s launch a 50 yarder down the sideline. Inside the 10 with AD in the backfield? Let’s put 4 receivers in the game, run a roll out. Maybe Chilly’s “kick ass” offense should study some Brian Billick/Linehan/Tice film and if even if you are going to put 4 wide outs run a draw!! Dante is faster than TJack??? I don’t think so.

Everyone is center mass on this target. Change the personnell all you want. AD left, AD right, AD up the middle isn’t going to get it done. Even AD can’t run through 11 men in the box. The defense needs to think it is at least possible we can execute a 10 yard slant, or a 15 yard out, or a skinny post down the center of the field if you are going to stack the box.

Barry Alvarez is out, maybe Wisconsin can bring two of their own back to the flock. Isn’t Billick unemployed? Didn’t he win a superbowl? Didn’t that team have a great defense and an offense that only needed not to make mistakes? Isn’t Bill Cowher unemployed? Didn’t he win a superbowl? What about Mike Martz? I know he is employed but put our boy from USC in the backfield with a Martz playbook and AD/Chester Taylor combo??How long will our window stay open with the talent we have?

by Vegas Norseman on Sep 17, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the new terminology, Gonzo.

I can now say we have the “Tecmo Bowl Offense” whenever my friends question the Vikes playcalling. Sadly, I think that’s easily the best way to describe it too.

On another note, I really wasn’t one to believe all the talk of Childress possibly getting canned at the end of the season. But now I’m starting to think it could be possible thanks to the switch at QB. I thought there was some sort of three man bromance going on among T-Jack, Chilly, and Zygi. All I kept hearing from Childress was that Jackson is our starter, he’s greatly improved (which we obviously all know now, that was a bunch of crap.) and that Zygi is behind Childress 100% with whatever decisions needed to be made. Well, now that Childress has finally admitted to lying to us about Jackson’s skills (well, technically, in a way) now maybe Mr. Wilf will realize the big oaf with the pencil behind his ear was a better coach than the guy that looks like a 5th grade history teacher….wait, a pedophile 5th grade teacher.

by VIKES311BOY on Sep 18, 2008 6:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Donovan McNabb

" And please, PLEASE don’t give me Donovan F. McNabb. Color me crazy, but McNabb seems to be doing just fine without him, thanks."

Was he supposed to forget everything he was taught when Childress left? Does he have one of those MIB memory flashers or something? I feel about the same about Childress as you do, but that’s a silly statement. Give him credit for something. lol

The rest of the season rests on the shoulders of Childress and his playcalling. Gus is smart enough and has been around enough to know the playbook by now. We pretty much know exactly what to expect out of him. Slightly above average QB play. He’s got good enough skills to manage the game. If Childress doesn’t open up the freaking playbook and show me his so called “kick-ass offense” I’ve lost all hope for him.

It seems like there is a split between two view points. T-jack sucks or Childress’s playbook sucks. We’ll find out after a couple games who is right. For now I’m going to say he’s not an idiot, he’s just been too stubborn to give up on “his” QB.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 18, 2008 7:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just Found This Site

Thank goodness I found this site as the StarTrib’s AccessVikings is nothing but the same assclowns wanking with nearly nothing but reading.

Childress saved his ass last year only by the team reeling off that five game run of wins that ended with Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams thoroughly outcoaching Col. Klink (Chili) and Sgt. Schultz (Bevell). Childress is a “kiss up, kick down” kind of guy and nothing exemplifies these despicable traits more than trying to change the subject from his and Bevell’s pitiful gameplanning by throwing Tarvaris Jackson under the bus when every football writer worth his salt says Jackson, whatever his limitations, has been hamstrung by both dropped balls and idiotic scheming from the coaches.

As a DC area resident I’ve watched Gus since his rookie year when he beat out Trent Green, had some modest success and then ended it all with a head butt into the padded concrete wall at FedEx Field in a game against the Giants that knocked him woozy. He may post some decent games from time to time as he did briefly spelling Culpepper in ‘04 but he is not going to take this team anywhere this year even if he miraculously stays healthy. At best, he’ll be a modest improvement over Kelly Holcomb.

I hope I’m wrong because it would be a shame to write off the season so soon but anything that gets Brad Childress out of this job is something to be hoped for at this point. Bevell was asked today if Visanthe Shiancoe would be benched and he said no, that he was doing a lot of good things that help the team. I mean, you cannot make up cluelessness like this if you tried.

by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Sep 18, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WHY NOT!!!!????

Carolina is bringin a safety into the box sunday. Why wouldn’t we come out four wide or spread and just have gus unload! Why do the same old stuff. Lets get that pass going???

by Macdaddy4508 on Sep 19, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back 7

Carolina’s back 7 seven is what have been keeping them in games. And their secondary is tough! Safety Chris Harris leads the league in forced fumbles this year and last. That additional safety in the box will probably be shadowing Peterson, and those linebackers will be blitzing. Having an antique QB who is anything but mobile, try to stretch the field against the Panthers secondary, has pick 6 written all over it.

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by southtunnel on Sep 19, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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