An Expansion on My Earlier Post About Brad Childress
Allow me to expand further on what I said about Childress basically giving up for the entire world to see.
Rewind back to last week. The Vikings were playing a Carolina Panther team that was in much the same situation that Minnesota was in today. They had no time outs left, they were down by two scores (20-10), and with 2:46 left on the clock, they faced a 3rd and 39 from their own 6-yard line. They managed to turn that into a 4th and 27 at their own 18.
Did John Fox kick the football away and basically tell his team, "You know, I realize that our chances to win are pretty much zero at this point, but I don't feel as though you guys even deserve the opportunity to try?"
Hell, no, he didn't. . .he had his guys line up and run a play to at least try to convert that 4th and 27. Granted, the Panthers didn't convert and the Vikings pretty much just ran out the clock, but at least John Fox didn't give up on his team.
Now, let's look at this afternoon. The Vikings are down 30-17, no time outs left, right around two minutes left in the game, facing a 4th and 13 from their own 18-yard line. His starting quarterback had just gone out of the game with an injury, and his backup QB was taking the snaps.
And rather than line it up and attempt to run another offensive play, Brad Childress sent his punt team out on to the field and gave the ball back to the Tennessee Titans, knowing full well that there was absolutely, positively zero chance that they would get the ball back.
What Brad Childress did today was an act of full-blown cowardice, akin to such NFL events as Brett Favre taking a dive for Michael Strahan to allow him to set the single-season sack record. . .with Denny Green taking a knee and settling for overtime in the 1998 NFC Championship Game. . .with Tim Harris picking up Jim McMahon and body slamming him like he was Hulk Hogan. Take any spineless, gutless act that you can think of that's ever been perpetuated on an NFL field, and what Brad Childress did today was exactly the same thing.
Brad Childress gave up on his football team today. I was pissed off when Randy Moss "quit" in the game against Washington in 2004 when there was a playoff berth on the line, but this is worse on so many levels. This guy is the head coach. The "leader" of this football team. Who in that locker room is going to buy into Brad Childress' message of playing hard and giving it all you've got for 60 minutes and all that other inspirational stuff from a guy that thought it would be best to curl up into the fetal position rather than going down swinging?
No, Brad Childress isn't the sole reason that we lost this football game today. But he's the source of the problem. He's the biggest problem. This team will never, ever see any meaningful success under his watch. He needs to be removed, and he needs to be removed sooner rather than later.
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i didnt like the call either man, but now that im starting to cool down and realize that we finished 1-3 during our hardest stretch of the the schedule, four play off teams, i realize that not all is lost.childress just didnt want to put that kind of strain on his players. the game was over and we had t-jack. com on now our chances of driving down and even getting a field goal with him would have been a miracle. so putting the players at risk for a game that was out of reach would have been even more bone head. could you imagine if berrian, or peterson, or even hutchinson, went down just to make a score look prettier. yeah i dont even need to say what would happen.
by da2213viking on Sep 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT 0 recs
To the da2213viking
another Viking apologist. knuckleheads like you keep filling the seats and are why dick heads like Childress stay in the NFL.
by swwags on
Sep 28, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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Chidlress and Berrian
First of all Berrian hasn’t done anything. We pay him a redic amount of money and what does he do in four games—what 11 catches some 200 yards maybe. That’s terrible, then Childress I can’t stand anymore weeks of yelling at him through the tv. He has no football sense. 13 points is not that much and why would you punt. Why is injury that big of a concern, players get hurt at all points in the game. It is something that happens, I would rather see the vikes show a little “heart” instead of rolling over when times get tough.
by Zizzle on
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Hell Yes......It's time for Childress to go!!!!
I agree with Gonzo, it was the biggest give up on your team thing i have ever saw in 40 years of watching Vikings football that i have ever seen. This idiot, chicken sh** so-called coach is a joke and he is sinking the ship so fast with just his stupid ass conservative play calling alone. I cant balme T-Jack or Gus…. it dont matter who is at he helm with Poindexter calling the plays………MR WILF!!!!! Please get your monies worth and send PEE WEE Herman Childress back to pop warner. I honestly think that is where he came up with his play book. 40 years of Bleeding Purple Pride and this idiot needs top go……give me back Green or Tice anyday!!!!
by LAWDAWG on Sep 28, 2008 7:18 PM CDT 0 recs
Brad is Bad - he has no passion for the thrill of victory he is without excitement.
Teams feed off the coach’s passion – look at Zorn today with the Skins he convinced the players they could do it. We have Mr Rogers on our sideline. Enough!
Hardest part of the season – all games are hard without emotion.
Ziggy you actually interviewed this cold fish? Wow!
I’m still 5-11 with this team it’s a shame.
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by Village Viking on Sep 28, 2008 7:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Very harsh ....
…. but I agree. I’ve been bored with the entire Childress era. His kick-ass offense has been anything but. He mortaged his tenure on the success or failure of Tarvaris Jackson. He thought he could take any QB and groom them into Donovan McNabb.
For that decision that set the franchise back YEARS (who knows when we’ll be able to groom a real replacement), Childress should go.
But for those who want Cowher, I don’t. Holmgren maybe after the season.
But I’d honestly prefer the route the Steelers went with Tomlin. Hire a coach of the future, not the past. Childress was neither.
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by PJS on Sep 28, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
That's the thing, PJS
The team isn’t good. . .I understand that.
But they’re not really even fun to WATCH any more, either. I mean, like I said in the game thread comments, we’re damn lucky to be able to watch Adrian Peterson week in and week out, but Childress has managed to even marginalize his talent thus far. We don’t run play-action passes, we don’t get Peterson out in space. . .hell, the one time we tried to get him to the outside today, he ran 28 yards for a touchdown.
This guy was tabbed as an “offensive genius.” He’s not even close.
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by Gonzo on
Sep 28, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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Agreed Gonzo - bad team
half hearted effort, sloppy execution, embarrassing game plans. Childress is a control freak and is one of those bozo’s who creates a system (and he isn’t even the brains behind the system, he adopted the damn thing), then he immediately declares it the champion and blames any failure on the players who don’t execute it. It’s a bad offensive scheme and he’s too much of a control freak to admit it and move on. He wouldn’t know what to move on to anyway. He’s no better than a Wall Street executive who continues to get rewarded for poor performance.
Over rated and underachieving teams are common in the NFL. I get some solace laughing at them but frankly, they’re only one game better than Detroilet and their year is already done. They will fight the Lions for a better draft pick, continue to be the clowns of the NFL until the Childress experiment is as dead as the TJ debacle.
by swwags on
Sep 28, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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Humiliation
It’s interesting that Childress decided to punt at the end of the game and not go for a desperation pass play, or even a draw or screen of some sort on fourth down with time running out.
The reason I say this is because last year in Lambeau, when we were in the process of losing 34-0, our first shut out in many years, and to our long-time rival, and a shutout, mind you, that would break our streak of the longest period without being shut out, we had TWO chances to kick a field goal and put points on the board and at least salvage our longest streak without a shutout in the NFL, i.e., some modicum of pride we could hold onto despite the impending disaster.
But what did Childress do in this case (at Lambeau)—even at the end of the game when there really was no way to make a comeback, as we were down by dozens of points? He eschewed the sure points of a field goal and went for the desperation fourth down plays with a shaky, unproven quarterback and a non-existent receiving corps, leaving Ryan Longwell on the sideline— a sure three points, or even six points, considering he could have had two chances at relative chip shots.
I think that even in this case (at Lambeau), the majority of Vikings fans were hoping for settling for at least a field goal to put some points on the board and avoid the humiliation of a shutout at Lambeau, and one that would break our league-leading streak of avoiding shutouts. But Childress stubbornly refused and stuck with the less likely desperation passes and going for it on fourth down, ensuring the humilitation. (Incidentally, I thought that shutout and how it happened was the most humiliating thing I had seen as a Viking fan of 33 years, even more so than what happened today.)
And yet today we had the opposite case. Here was a time when Viking fans everywhere WANTED Childress to go with the desperation pass play, or draws, or screen, but again he refused the instinct of Viking fans, and probably his owner, staff and players, and settled for the humiliation of punting it away when down by 13 and two minutes left.
And so in one case (last year at Lambeau) we suffer the humiliation of desperation 4th down plays, and in the other (this year at Nashville) we suffer the humiliation of the LACK of desperation fourth down plays. What do these two opposite cases have in common? HUMILIATION. It seems that the common denominator of Childress’ playbook and game plan is not to pass or not to pass, to run or not to run, to punt or not to punt, to kick a field goal or not kick a field goal, in certain game situations—for these vary from game-to-game, as we have seen—but only to do what is most HUMILIATING to the Vikings and their fans.
Zygi Wilf please take heed.
by Franciscan on Sep 28, 2008 9:48 PM CDT 0 recs
Cut the argument however you want...
…but this from gonzo is the ultimate barometer, no?
“This team will never, ever see any meaningful success under his watch.”
I mean, if an owner or the players don’t believe they will ever have any meaningful success (aka Super Bowl) under his watch.. then why is he there?
It makes me sick to my stomach to think how this friggen bonehead is literally WASTING the career of a future HOF runningback. ARRGGH!
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by BMNFAN on Sep 28, 2008 10:48 PM CDT 0 recs
New Orleans, Childress' last game?
I watched todays game and saw alot of high paid veterans in what has to be the worst coached game i have ever seen… What is this team going to do against the New Orleans Saints with four good receivers, Reggie Bush, and Drew Brees. I mean how many players are they going to bring in before they realize Chilly just can’t coach or learn to adjust when needed. Seriously give me a madden playbook a clip board and Mike Tice’ pencil to put in my ear and a win I will give. Promote Leslie Frazier to HC and let him get some Tony Dungy style people in there.
by Madden Allstar on Sep 28, 2008 11:10 PM CDT 0 recs
I am conflicted...
I want Clueless gone… but for that to happen the Vikings will probably have to suck… and I do not want that to happen… I swear, Zygi pulls a Ford and keeps him for about 7 years too long I will … I don’t even know what I’d do… it’d be so horrible…
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Sep 28, 2008 11:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Counterpoints
The game against the Titans was lost due to the lack of maintaining possession of the football in our own end of the field. Whenever you do that, you lose momentum, you lose the football, and you lose field position. When you commit three more turnovers than your opponent in any game, you typically lose the game itself as well. When you lose the ball like that against a team with a solid defense, you almost always lose. Ask Carolina. Coaches don’t fumble the footballs; players do. Coaches don’t drop touchdown passes; players do.
Ranting that the coach should be fired is a time-honored tradition, but changing coaches, even when warranted, rarely has immediate positive outcomes. It takes years. Please note that firing Glen Mason has not immediately fixed the Gophers. The media in Cleveland wanted Belichick fired, and a decade later, Bill has his three Super Bowl rings and the Cleveland Browns have still never even been to a Super Bowl. The Browns have also fired Marty, and Bill Cowher probably would still rather go there than here. He once was a special teams guy there, and I think he owes them a favor. If not, Oakland has much better weather than the Twin Cities do, and Bill’s not getting any younger.
Finally, maybe we don’t have years or a chance for another coach. Losing this year may result in the failure of the stadium drive and the loss of the Minnesota Vikings. As the ancient Vikings would say, it’s time to go ashore and burn the boats. There’s no going back now if we fail. There are still a lot of people around here who want the Vikings to win, even if they bitch and moan a lot. Every player needs to buckle down and right this ship. For any who don’t know it, the sharks don’t just eat the captain when the ship goes down.
Wake up people. Let’s keep the faith. It’s easier to take down individuals than it is to beat those who all play as a team. We’re still a game back, and they all still have to come through our house.
by Elgar on Sep 29, 2008 2:31 AM CDT 0 recs
Bad Coaching...
…leads to bad playing.
Fumbling and dropping passes comes down to fundamentals and fundamentals are taught by the coaches.
Gonzo, I couldn’t agree more about the plays involving AP. Get the guy out in space and let him make something happen. It seems like all we have is dive right and dive left at this point. Here are a couple of plays Childress may not have heard of: Sweep, Off Tackleand Stretch, all of which would put Peterson in space and allow him to make something happen, as he so often does when he has some room to work with.
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by BaldViking on Sep 29, 2008 8:15 AM CDT 0 recs
No mental toughness
Childress’ decision to punt at the end of the game is a perfect example of what is wrong with this team under his leadership. He lacks the mental toughness and focus to make the decisions that win games. His lack of leadership allows the players to lose the mental toughness and focus that would stop some of the mental errors that lead to big plays for the other team. This lack of toughness and determination leads to fumbles, interceptions and defensive lapses.
I remember Viking teams that had the mental toughness to come back at the end of games when they were behind on the scoreboard. The players knew they could come back and the fans knew they would come back. The defense would rise up to cause a fumble or intecept a pass and the offense would march the ball down the field and win the game. I have not had that feeling for a long time and it is obvious the players do not have that feeling.
It all starts with the head coach the the coaching staff. Childress has demonstrated that he is unable to get this team ready to play, especially at the start of the game. They fall behind and nearly always, it goes down hill from there.
Childress must go now so that what little self-confidence the players have left can be salvaged and a new head coach can restore some of the mental toughness it takes to win in the NFL.
by TexasViking on Sep 29, 2008 8:30 AM CDT 0 recs
At the end of the day
Each and everyone of us has watched the Vikings (Childress’ Vikings) and I don’t think any single one of us can say that we have gotten better since we fired our last Head Coach.
Now forgive me if I am wrong, but isn’t the point of making a switch to improve, or because management believes that the person currently at the helm couldn’t do a better job than someone else out there?
Based upon this it seems clear that there is only 1 solution. If we could get rid of Tice when he had less and did more AND actually made the playoffs, then why in the world are we giving Childress breaks? Seriously? What warrents Chilly having any breaks? Why should he not be held accountable? Ok yeah its the players faults too but I mean come on guys, this shit didn’t just start happening this season, or last game or whenever, its been happening EVER SINCE HE GOT HERE!!!
I am done giving him the beneifit of the doubt. He needs to be held accountable at some point. Tice didn’t ask his players to go on the Love Boat but he ultimately took the wrap for that. I’m sure Childress doesn’t want to lose but he ultimately chooses plays/makes adjustments and thus he should be held accountable.
The last point that I am going to make, I’m a huge soccer fan, my soccer team, Chelsea FC replaced probably thier most influential manager EVER, during the middle of last season and still almost won everything. They replaced him with an amateur until the end of the season. Point being the players can still salvage something from the season, just I believe the philosophy within the locker room needs to change.
Also, in all fairness, which would you guys rather see, us struggle along with Childress and his KAO and his UBER QB Developmental skills, or would you rather the Vikings administration hold thier hands up and say, you know what this just isn’t working, hasn’t really worked since you got here, we payed alot of money to these lads and your philosophy stinks. Hired someone know and then by the time we roll around to next season everyone on our team will know the new HC scheme? I mean honestly I really think that we should just bring in someone new or promote within house and just get ready for the players to learn that persons scheme.
I think it would be a bigger tease for us to barely make the playoffs, which seems less and less each week. Than knowing that someone, a proven person, is going to come in and atleast attempt to bring a winner’s attitude instead of a “realistic attitude” ( I dont think childress has a losing attitude he just plays things realistically, like we probably wouldn’t have won so no point in letting someone get hurt, problem is he needs to play for his job now, not in November).
Even if we don’t fire Childress, someone, SOMEONE needs to be held accountable, becasue it is completely nonsense to blame this loss solely on the players. Yes they play the game and are the ones that either win or loss the game but these players are TOLD what to do, they don’t all of a sudden all run out on the field and then decide amongst each other what play they should call then, they are told be someone else, its a heirarchy, exactally like in any company or business or whatever sort of managerial diagram/metaphor you’d like. If the decisions come from the top down then that person needs to be held accountable.
P.S. Lack of preperation leads to stupid boneheaded penalties, and its not the players fault as to what thier practice time consists of, which probably is just running drills to let AP run left and right at this point.
by FSUViking on Sep 29, 2008 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
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Apologies for some of the spelling but its 10am over here :(
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Sep 29, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Winning
Football is the same as government, business, or the military.
Some people are like Patton, a military genius who wasn’t good at the peripheral crud but knew everything about achieving objectives, namely, winning. Others, like the Brennan brothers, who managed to simultaneously be CEO of Sears and Montgomery Ward, run things into the ground.
Winning is about objectives, strategies, and tactics. In the case of the Vikings, anything less than someone wanting to win a Super Bowl has the wrong objective.
Using a West Coast Offense in a team with questionable quarterbacks and receivers and strong running backs is predictably a losing strategy. And the tactic of running the same plays, regardless of situation, such as 6 yard pass plays when we need 10 yards and having the running backs stand around while multiple pass plays in a row are called is downright pathetic.
by liveforadrenaline on Sep 29, 2008 10:31 AM CDT 0 recs
More $, Better Talent, Same Coach, Same Results
Watching this team is no different than watching the past few years. Stupid penalties, predictable, boring play-calling, and p*ss poor game management.
If there is one play from yesterday that can some up the BC era, it’s the delay of game penalty AFTER a change of possession AND a TV timeout. How for the love of peanut M&Ms can that happen? How can you not have a play ready after about FIVE MINUTES??? It’s the coach. Disorganized, poor awareness, no communication, no plan.
How about the end of the 1st half? Down by 13 pts, and the offense got what, 2 or 3 plays off in the ~2mins before the 2 min warning? They were still huddling up, for Christ’s sake! If your offense is so complicated that your project QB can’t grasp it after 3 years, and you can’t have a hurry-up plan, your offense sucks.
It’s not just the offense coaching, either. The cover 2 does not work for the Vikes. Period. Once again, there wasn’t much of a pass rush at all. Zero sacks. Zero! If the front 4 aren’t getting pressure, and the opposing QB is shredding your secondary, how about a BLITZ??? Coach Frazier: watch the Eagles or Bears D and get a clue, mkay?
The hardest stretch of the season is behind us, and I’m be routing for the beloved purple every Sunday. But after their pathetic, lifeless display, I’m not very hopeful anymore.
by JasonAve6413 on Sep 29, 2008 11:05 AM CDT 0 recs
Corrections...
Ok, so they were down by 10, not 13.
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Sep 29, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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regardless
of the score, BC never adjusted properly or really thought outside of the Brad Childress Box, (I.E. NFL Blitz from N64 days).
It is just beyond me that the higher management of the Vikings can say with a straight face that Childress is thier guy when he is clearly the one running this organization into the ground.
Name me one meaningful game in which Childress showed us his KAO or really domination of another team? The ONLY game that comes to mind is the Giants game, which our Defense actually dominated and helped us gain that huge lead over the Giants, it was not the sweet KAO.
He hasn’t learned after 2.5 seasons so how can we, with a straight face, even romotely claim that he is going to get better? I mean honestly. We went fromt he playoffs to 6-10 then we should’ve gone to the playoffs last year (I still wonder how we melted down soooooo much) to 9-7, I mean did we really pay this guy to make us worse and then have the same record as our playoff year minus the playoffs? If Childress managed to someone take us to 10-6 I would be extremely shocked. I just don’t think he has it in him to make the correct calls to win close games and he seems to have proven me right WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more times than he has otherwise, infact I can’t think of any really close game in which he came out victorious, Lions game last year, we should never have been in the situation we were in, can’t think of any more recent nailbiters than that, correct me though if I am wrong.
Just severely disappointed with the Vikes and don’t know how/what to do about it. I am really struggling to see a “silver-lining” to our situation because if we do start to win now that we are getting a couple of key ppl back than everything from the past 2.5 years won’t be taken into account.
by FSUViking on
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This all couldn't be happening at a worse time
This debacle couldn’t be happening at a worse time. The NFL wants a team in LA. LA has a real estate deal ready to roll along with a new stadium. Childress has one of the most boring styles of play around. The Metrodome is outdated. And now they are going to win a quarter of their games and suck it up? And when Childress is fired…it’s going to be at least two years before the “system” is ready to roll full steam ahead. I’m beyond angry at Childress and his ineptness right now because I have now become fearful of this organizations future as a whole. I have been a lifelong fan and live three hours away in North Iowa…and still make the journey to games. I really really really don’t want the Vikings to leave….so please Zygi….fire him…..we understand why you have to do it and so does he.
by iowa_cyclone on Sep 29, 2008 11:27 AM CDT 0 recs
a bad game is forgivable, giving up is not
I totally agree with Gonzo on this. Punting away your only slim hope of winning a game, is just jaw-droppingly stupid and shows no love of the challenge. Just imagine if other teams in similar situations had given up like this. The Titans’ Music City Miracle never would have happened with Childress at the helm. If you don’t try to make miracles happen, then they never will. 4th and 13 is not even that unmakeable. What if the defender falls down, and our guy takes the ball to the house. Suddenly we have a chance at an onside kick. It’s not that far fetched of a hope. Not trying shows to me that Childress has a poor competitive spirit. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt until now. I would fire him based on that one decision not to go for 4th down. i still can’t believe he punted.
by lifelong_mustbemasochistic_Vikesfan on Sep 29, 2008 4:55 PM CDT 0 recs
Of course
Oh, I can see the light now: Down by two scores, it’s fourth and thirteen. The beloved Tarvaris Jackson rolls out to his right and throws a pass downfield to Adrian Peterson, who is hit immediately in his tracks and suffers a season-ending knee injury.
After the game, all of you write in just to praise Childress’ spirit of never saying die. No one of you mentions some idiot who ruined the whole season in a lost cause or explains that the head coach called that play just to try and save his job, even though it was something called by the OC.
(Yeah, right.)
Let me give you something to ponder: I have, among other items in my trophy case, an NFL game ball given to me in 1982. And you?
by Elgar on Sep 29, 2008 6:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Why do I give a damn
What’s in your trophy case?
Oh, right, I don’t.
Brad Childress is a coward. Like I said yesterday, if you can reconcile that, good for you. I’m glad I don’t play for a gutless wonder like that.
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by Gonzo on
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What?
So someone gave you a game ball, 26 years ago, and that means you know more about football than everyone else? Ponder this, no one cares about your game ball because it has nothing to do with anything. You’re better off keeping such “accomplishments” to yourself.
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Quick question
Did you earn that game ball by:
a) Working hard
b) Giving up
Injuries happen. It’s the way football is. I’d rather see the team I like never say die, rather than roll over.
And ask yourself, would Bud Grant have gone for it on fourth down?
by Robert Rence on
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I have a bigger E-penis than Elgar
You just have a game ball.
I have:
- Game worn jerseys (plain and autographed)
- Autographed helmets
- Other autographed jerseys
That’s nice and all, and yes I want a cookie, but what the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand? Does that somehow make you more relevant? You’re like St. Paul, you know… Always thinking that you’re more important than you actually are.
So you are content with playing to lose, Elgar? It’s good to know your stance on life. Where I come from, you try to do this thing called “win”. It’s what happens when you aren’t in over your head and don’t blow goats. Since neither of those apply to you, I can understand why you have no clue what I’m talking about.
Anyway, since you, like the head coach, would rather die than hold Childress accountable, let’s think about this. You talk about how the play is called by the OC. Can you give me, and the people here, any reason to believe that Bevell is more than baldy’s “yes man”? I haven’t seen it. Have you also noticed that the playcalling hasn’t changed in two seasons?
And since you’re so concerned about injuries and how they’ll affect the team, might as well shut AD down for the season. I mean, wouldn’t want to risk himself getting injured on a play that bears little significance, as anything Childress does is merely an effort to save his job.
Maybe you can take baldy’s advice and join Jeff George in fantasy camp. Oh, and yes, I do have a bigger E-penis than you.
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by vikesully on
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trophy
Sounds like a lot of Pomp & Circumstance to me….
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