l.a. stadium
there is a key vote soon for the building of the new stadium in l.a. roski has planned this stadium in the city of industry because there are only 84 registered voters and he has his real estate company there as well. it seems obvious to me that it would be very easy for a billionaire like roski to grease a few palms and get this done. 84 palms don't take much grease. it's going to happen, he will get his stadium. he say's he will make no proposal's to current nfl teams until his the vote passes and the stadium is a go. the proposed opening date is 2012. that date should be familiar to everyone on this site. something needs to be done in minnesota to assure that the vikings will stay there. whether its a comprimise of a lower priced stadium or add luxury boxes to the metrodome. something needs to be done. it seems that the people of minnesota have grown numb of threats to move the team by past ownership and don't take it seriously. many people in minnesota don't seem to care. minnesota is on the shortlist of the 8 teams he is courting. oakland, buffalo and minnesota are the top three. if you live in minnesota you need to make some noise about the stadium or you'll be watching packers games all year, drunk and crying about old times. the rest of us can only hope that the state of minnesota will pull it's head out of it's ass and get a stadium deal done.
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Personally, I think the Rams would be a better fit to move. Their ownership should be looking to sell the team asap, they have to be losing quite a bit of money.
by Frost on Jan 17, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Is it just a coincidence that you don’t need to do anything except criticize the state of Minnesota?
Why don’t you finance it?
Hell, at least mover here and help out with the financing!
There has got to be something you can do beyond suggesting the ‘State has it’s head up it’s ass.’
by LoveHate on Jan 17, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not the citizens of the state
but the State Legislature sure has, and I don’t know how their actions, or inaction in this case, can be justifiably defended. It hasn’t been one party or one person, with maybe the exception of Larry Pogemiller, but the state legislature is naive to the point of ignorant if they think the Vikings will stay in Minnesota because they are a Minnesota institution. The Colts and Browns had a lot more identity to their cities, with more loyal fan bases and more championships, and they moved. You’re foolish to think the Vikings won’t move. As to your question of financing a stadium, I think Hennepin County imposed a ridculously small sales tax of .015%, and only on certain things, for the new Twins stadium.
Something like a .015% increase to state sales tax, or something similar doesn’t seem so unreasonable. Is a penny and a half increase on every dollar that extreme?
Is that too much to burden the good people of Minnesota with? Really?
Look, I get that people don’t want to pay for stadiums, I get it. But the price of admission to be an NFL city is some sort of financing for a facility that will house an NFL franchise. The NFL is in the business of making money, and right now the VIkings have either the lowest or second lowest profit margin in the NFL, if they even turn a profit.
Roger Goodell will not let that happen to one of the 32 franchises, especially with a dumptruck full of money awaiting whoever pulls the trigger and makes the move to LA.
That said, I don’t think Wilf will move the team, but I do think he will sell to an LA ownership group f something isn’t done either this session or next. And when Pogemiller literally laughs the proposition out of the state capitol before this session even begins, it doesn’t look too promising.
Thoughts on the Vikings, Buckeyes, and Cardinals
www.purplebuckeye.blogspot.com
by MilCardFan on Jan 17, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
I would like to see your evidence and facts regarding the Vikings having such a small profit margin. Do you have proof?
by skiumah06 on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, follow the links. They are valued last in the league...
Profit margin for 2006 was 16 million, but look at how much other teams make compared to the Vikes, and this was 2006 info.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Revenue_2.html
This link gives their value as the least of all 32 teams in the NFL:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Minnesota-Vikings_309201.html
And this link shows a net loss of almost 20 million for 2007:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Income_2.html
At least I think it does…I’m not a financial genius when it comes to reading spread sheets. But if I read this right, the Vikes went from a +16 to a -19 in one year, and wit this economy I don’t see it heading north of zero soon.
Unless they either get a new stadium or move to one that will give them a revenue stream like DAllas, Washington, etc.
Thoughts on the Vikings, Buckeyes, and Cardinals
www.purplebuckeye.blogspot.com
by MilCardFan on Jan 17, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The State of Minnesota enacted legislation to fund $65 million toward the cost of the Xcel Energy Center in 2000; and about $387 million in taxpayer funds to help build the Twins new ballpark currently under construction; and will also proffer up to $9.4 million a year in future general fund revenue to cover the state’s portion of the $248 million campus located stadium.
True the money comes from several sources, but its all tax money.
To act like there shouldn’t be any apprehension towards forking out hundreds millions more is unserious. None of this is to say the Vikings don’t need a new stadium. I’ve argued here before that the Wilf’s number one priority is not a championship, but a stadium – he’s a businessman. A stadium would likely double his investment in a matter of a few years. And despite others opinions, I think the dome is a poor venue (comparatively to all other NFL venues).
I invite all Norsemen to move to MN and contribute. Let’s get this thing built!
by LoveHate on Jan 17, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To correct what I said earlier...
The Twins stadium was funded by a 0.15 percent Hennepin County sales tax increase, not .015. Still not much of a bank breaker.
I get the appreehension, but I wonder what the angst will be after the Vikings leave, and all the revenue that the team brings into the state goes away. I’m sure the Legislature, in their apprehension over losing a major revenue stream, will increase taxes to make up for the loss.
Thoughts on the Vikings, Buckeyes, and Cardinals
www.purplebuckeye.blogspot.com
by MilCardFan on Jan 17, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i do what i can
i have been to at least 1 sometimes 2 games in minnesota every year for the past 12 years whether i lived in arizona or where i do now in wyoming. when i am in minnesota for games with my family we stay in your hotels, we eat in your resturaunts, we pay for rental cars at your airport and we shop in your stores. the cardinals stadium was financed in part by fees on rental cars and hotels and other tourist type activities to help ease the tax burden an the locals. isn’t that an option in minnesota? a nominal sales tax increase of .15 or enen .20% would not even be felt by 99% of the people. add extra fees on stuff like rental cars, hotels and luxury items, it won’t stop me from making my yearly pilgramage to the metrodome. there has to be a solution that will keep the vikings in minnesota. if the people of minnesota become complacent you will lose your team.
wyohonky
by wyohonky on Jan 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another thing
i somehow let my response end up way down at the bottom. but on another note, if it sounded like i was saying that the citizens of minnesota have their heads up their asses i apologize for that. that is not what i meant. your state legislature clearly has had their headfs up their asses for many, many years. a state does not get into a 900 billion dollar defecit (or whatever it is, i don’t have the facts in front of me at the moment) through proper management. your leaders have dropped the ball and contuinue to drop the ball. they all should be removed from office for shear ineptitude. bridges should never fall, infrastucture should be properly maintained and a state wouldn’t or couldn’t get into the finacial shape your state is in if you had competent leadership. i have no beef with the people of your state. i really enjoy the time i spend in your state. i like minnesota but your leadership has let you down. can you agree with that?
wyohonky
by wyohonky on Jan 17, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely agree
with this post. People need to stop acting like it can’t happen to us and DO something about it. Call your representatives, join Minnesota Momentum. Show that you care! I just don’t even want to imagine the devastation I and many others would feel if the Vikes left Minnesota.
by skiumah06 on Jan 17, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is one thing I absolutely love about our arch-rivals
The City of Green Bay owns the Packers, and that may be the most brilliant move in all of professional sports.
Every time a city opens the public financing checkbook to a billionaire sports franchise ownership group, that city should receive partial ownership of the team(s) (and revenues) and a guarantee that there will be no movement of said team(s). Now that a bad precedent has been set over and over again, common sense may never be able to take hold.
On the flipside, I do hope that Minnesotans will be able to agree on something to keep the Vikings in the Twin Cities. If not, then I hope it will be like Art Modell moving the team, but not the colors and history, and the Vikings will start again in some future expansion year.
by KC Viking on Jan 18, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
first of all i would hate to see the vikings move. especially to l.a. but if they do move i hope they stay the vikings. there won’t be an expansion team in minnesota if the team leaves so if minnesota tries to keep the vikings name there will be no vikings anymore. the state won’t help build a stadium now, they sure won’t build one later when the cost has doubled plus have to outbid other cities for the right to have an nfl franchise. i see omaha having an expansion team before minnesota gets another one. i am a vikings fan and have been all my life but i am becoming so disillusioned with the state of minnesota and their lack of regard for the franchise. i would be more than happy to donate a sum equal to what the average minnesotan pays in tax increases for the new stadium as i believe many out of state fans would to help keep the vikings in minnesota. somebody should look into setting something like that up. at .1 or .2% increase the amount would be neglegible. not near what i spend to take my family to at least one game a year from wyoming. if the vikings end up moving it will take awhile to get used to it but i will remain a vikings fan for life.
wyohonky
by wyohonky on Jan 19, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There will be expansion, and there will be a Minnesota team
Eventually, the NFL will have 40 teams. Since the Twin Cities are in the top 20-25 metro areas and have historically supported the Vikings quite well, the NFL won’t depart for long, if at all.
You made many great points I can’t argue, though. It could be a decade or more between the current Vikings’ departure and the expansion franchise, and it will be contingent upon a stadium deal, and that will be complicated.
I think the Vikings’ stadium woes are partly caused by the Gophers and Twins getting separate facilities (and the Twins are CRAZY for not building a retractable roof ballpark) so that there is no way to share with the Vikings. It would make so much sense to share a stadium with the Vikings and Gophers (partially financed with public funds and partially getting public use)…there simply is no sane justification for not doing so.
by KC Viking on Jan 19, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Vikings leave,
the NFL won’t ever return to Minnesota. I think Wyo makes a great point when he says if the legislature won’t fork over money for a new stadium now, when it’s on the edge of affordable, there’s no way they’ll do it just in the hopes of getting an NFL team to occupy it. They don’t want to now for an NFL team that currently resides there.
And why do the Vikings and Gophers or Vikings and Twins need to share a facility? I get that in the 1970’s and 80’s it was all the rage, but I don’t think there’s on dual-use facility in pro sports anymore. If every other big league city can manage to build separate facilities for their baseball and football teams, why can’t Minnesota? The problems they face aren’t any greater than any other state.
ANd I think it’s GREAT the Twins will be playing baseball outdoors. THe Gophers will be playing football outdoors. I hope, someday, the Vikings will be playing outdoors as well. In Minnesota.
Thoughts on the Vikings, Buckeyes, and Cardinals
www.purplebuckeye.blogspot.com
by MilCardFan on Jan 19, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Vikings leave,
everyone will be able to chart and graph the losses of revenue (and taxes) generated by the Vikings across the board. It won’t be long after that before the bums who made such poor decisions are thrown out and replaced by fresh faces who are eager to fix the problem and beg the NFL for an expansion team if need be. It really won’t be necessary, though, since the TCs rank so high on the metro area list. The NFL would be crazy to stay away from there for long, if at all.
With so few college and NFL football events, it is very feasible to share a stadium, and doing so would instantly shut up any opponents of public funds for a new stadium. That should be the first sort of offer on the table when these sorts of negotiations begin, and if the wealthy billionaire owner of the NFL franchise doesn’t like sharing a stadium, then the ownership group has the option of ponying up for more of his/their share.
The NFL has failed in LA before, and it could very well fail again. It wouldn’t be impossible for Wilf to move the Vikings there and pull an Al Davis and return to Minnesota whenever he realizes his mistake.
by KC Viking on Jan 20, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings to LA
As a resident of the city of angels, I would HATE to see the vikings move here. They would lose their traditions and heritage. They would seemingly start over.
Sure i want an NFL team to come to LA, just not the vikings. Bring the Rams or Bills.
So loyal fans and residents of Minnesota, please do us fans a favor and come up with alternatives other than just having a low approval rating of having a new stadium built, partially from public funds.
Ive visited the Cardinals stadium, is not huge, its not small. I do like their outside mall setup right outside their stadium. It creates jobs, entertainment, and pride.
by LAviking on Jan 18, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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