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Progression of the Athlete

In case you missed it, Gonzo has a great look at the history of Viking's first round draft picks.

Although I'm sure highly irregular, I wanted to start off my posting privileges with something not focused on the Vikings. The Draft is three months away, so there's plenty of time to get excited for that. For now, though, I wanted to share with you something that's been on my mind for a while.

Star-divide

Which sport has the best overall athletes? For a while I was convinced that the National Basketball Association easily won that honor. All one needed to do was gaze at LeBron James (who is almost exactly the same size and height of Carlos Boozer) and you could tell that basketball players were of a special breed.

Then along came Larry Fitzgerald. With hands that bleed Elmers glue, Fitzgerald has received national attention as one of the greatest receivers of all time. That's no small feat, considering what a small market Arizona is.

If you put LeBron James on the football field, I shudder to think what could happen. James is the kind of athlete who could play virtually any position on the field and dominate.

When you step back and take a look at the state of the National Football League, you realize how many "freaks of nature" there are. Offensive guards who can run as fast as some backs. 300-pound tackles with 4 percent body fat. Quarterbacks who can throw a bundle of air wrapped in pigskin over 80 yards. The list of outstanding athletes never stops.

You have to be a heck of an athlete to play at the NFL level.

There is a shortage of superb quarterbacks in football. Sure, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are amazing, but the list ends there. Guys like Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Eli Manning can be great at times, but can't be classified as "elite."

What is the reason for this? Is there really that much difference in talent when comparing the defenses and offenses of the NFL? Surely not.

A large part of the answer lies in college football. As the years go by, there are fewer and fewer amounts of athletes who go from dominating the NCAA to dominating at the professional level. Obviously, there are exceptions - Peyton Manning, for starters.

But most others who dominate the college level fail to leave their mark on the NFL. Just eight Heisman Trophy winners are in Canton, Ohio. Chris Weinke is a perfect example of a dominant college QB gone wrong, and guys like Matthew Stafford may be the next down that path.

Stafford, who is being discussed as a possible first overall pick, is really not a great quarterback. Here's a look at this stats from this past year.


Passing Rushing Sacks
G Rating Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD INT Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL
2008 - Matthew Stafford 13 150.8 235 383 61.4 3459 266.1 14.7 23 12 55 40 3.1 0.7 1 - -

Sure, they're fine. While highly debatable, at best I see Stafford at the same level of JaMarcus Russell.

The bottom line is that athletes in the NFL are getting bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter. If you have been a professional football player, you possess an extremely rare set of genes.

NFL players are progressing in every sense of the word, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

How does this apply to the present? To be honest, I have no clue. I haven't the foggiest idea how to put a limit on how good athletes are. Before we know it, two 275-pound men will collide on a special teams play and somebody will end up dying on the field. Think Willis McGahee x5.

The hits are getting harder. The coaching is getting smarter. The athletes are getting bigger.

Too much of a good thing, or will athletes never stop getting better?

 

Thanks for sticking around and hearing out my rambling. Please let me know what you think, and know that we'll get back to Vikings coverage very soon.

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Nice post

and you raise some interesting points. First of all I dont think you can really judge which sports have the best athletes, as each sport requires the competetor to do different things. For example while you list the NFL and NBA as possible homes for the best athletes, what about some of the Japenese and Chinese martial artists? Sure they might not be great if they played football, but in a fight they would probably win. And European soccer players might be the most skillful athletes in the world, but they cant slam dunk or tackle a running back. So how do you determine what constitutes the best? I dont think you can.

Athletes continuing to get better is another interesting discussion. Another example would be track sprinting. World records keep getting broken, but eventually the runners have to stop getting faster. (For example no one is going to run a sub 1second 100m). I think the same can be said for the NFL. Eventually players are going to stop getting bigger and faster.

Once again nice write up.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 25, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the "best athlete"

Obviously debating the “best athlete in the world” leaves a lot of room for personal interpretation of the term. Often, the best decathlete in the world is considered the greatest athlete as he has shown he can compete with the best in ten different disciplines. Andersklasen brings up LeBron James, who is a freak of nature at 6’9" and 280+ lbs with the agility and ball skills of a point guard. He was also an All-State wide receiver in Ohio his sophomore year.

To me, the best athlete in the world is the person whom I would consider has the best ability to dominate any sport, given that he would receive proper training for an appropriate length of time. If LeBron had grown up a wrestler and had boxing/MMA training, do I think he could be the heavyweight champion? Had he stuck with football, would he be an elite NFL player? Basically, if an individual had grown up playing a sport, with his body and athleticism, would he be successful at it? With LeBron I truly believe that he would be.

aussie_cowboy raises an interesting point concerning European soccer players and other foreign athletes. Fabulous athletes, certainly, and I admittedly lack enough exposure to them to accurately gauge their physical abilities. Here are guys who can fly up and down the pitch tirelessly for 90 minutes, stop and change directions instantaneously, and control a ball with there feet as if it’s an extension of their body. This being said, I do not believe that these guys could survive an NFL game. Now maybe someone like Christiano Renaldo would’ve made a great running back or corner had he grown up with American football, but as is he certainly lacks the build to play an entire NFL game. It is also important to point out that being big and strong is not nearly as important in soccer as is being lightning quick with blazing speed, but that is my point, elite NFL players like Adrian Peterson are quick and fast and big and strong. As such I would rate them as the “better overall athletes.”

As for the best athlete I have ever seen (I cannot speak to older players like Jim Thorpe. Obviously that guy was a beast, but I think we can generally assume that modern players are bigger and faster. And I’ve never ever seen him.) I would go with Bo Jackson. Supposedly the guy ran a 4.12 40. A 4.12! If someone with Bo’s body did that today Mel Kiper’s head would explode. For my present day best athlete I would choose LeBron for the reasons discussed above. When he decides that he is getting to the rim, it is humanly impossible to stop him.

by JRose on Jan 25, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Forget

Dave Winfield…Here was a guy who was if I remember correctly, drafted by the NFL, MLB, and the NBA. He could have played any of these sports at a high level. He chose baseball and had a long storied career that ended in finally winning a World Series Title. The man was in his 40’s when he retired. His career wouldn’t have lasted that long in the other two sports due to the physical demands of each. He made what he felt was the right choice and the rest is history.

by purplegrey on Jan 25, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

It’s just that he was already up there in years before I ever saw him play so I can’t really comment on him.

by JRose on Jan 25, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On your point about soccer players,

You are right that NFL players are bigger and just as fast, but thats only over a short distance dont forget. NFL players are ale to be very big because plays last less than 10 seconds and they are able to rest while the other unit is on the feild. So yes Ronaldo isnt big enough to take the physicality of an NFL game, but I doubt any NFL player could last a full soccer game at the top level without needing to go off. (And btw when that happens they are not allowed back on and there are a maximum of 3 substitutions.)

So as you say debateing the best athlete in the world is very subjective.

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by aussie_cowboy on Jan 25, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem with QBs in college

They play in the wrong kind of system, and pick up habits that wouldn’t fly in the NFL. That or they’re just more of runners than passers.
One of the best QBs in college is Tebow, who everyone expects to be a fullback in the NFL.
Then you have someone like Colt McCoy, who ran for over 500 yards on 135 attempts this past season. Chances are he would be destroyed trying to do something like that in the NFL. The truth is, there’s just less pocket passers in college this year. Because although it’s the best type in the NFL, it’s easier to get someone who will run with a mediocre arm on a college team and find success.

by PizzaDelivery on Jan 25, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cool Post

I like Andersklasen’s ending question:

Too much of a good thing, or will athletes never stop getting better?

Will there be a point where more and more steroids, etc, are untraceable to develop better athletes? What happens then?

by cutlassbob on Jan 25, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not steriods, but genetic!

In time science is going to produce super humans.

by LoveHate on Jan 25, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brutal Hits

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many QBs getting beat up as badly as they have been, the past few years. With all the rules set to protect them, they still take a beating and end up injured and out of the game.

Yes, I think athletes have gotten bigger, stronger, and faster. Better sports medicine, better training regimes, better drugs (sports drinks and mixes designed to maximize muscle development), more determined players (the carrot has gotten to be awfully juicy).

Anyone else remember what happened in Super Bowl XI, when Sammy White went across the middle and was absolutely massacred between a perfectly timed dual hit by Jack Tatum and George Atkinson (the Assassins)? Caught between the hammer and the anvil, White’s helmet popped off his head and went flying; watching it, I wasn’t sure whether that helmet still had the head in it or not. Those two bastards had a history of hanging back to set up a WR so they could nail him like that, and White was the perfect victim.

But Sammy White came back and continued to play.

Would he have been able to do that in today’s NFL? If a pair of ‘Assassins’ with today’s level of skill, speed, and body mass, pulled that stunt, I suspect the WR caught in the middle might not survive.

by DCPurple on Jan 25, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Brutal Hit

I remember that play well and was glad when Sammy got up off the turf. I doubt that many receivers today would be able to do so. Face it, the players are bigger, stronger, and faster. As good as the teams were in that era, I don’t think any of them could compete in today’s league. Your average offensive lineman was around 250-265 lbs. back then. Most are a hundred lbs. heavier today with far more quickness. I was laughing last year when former cokehead Mercury Morris was bragging that the 1972 Dolphins could beat any team today. He must have picked up his pipe again.

by purplegrey on Jan 25, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget though that those were times when it was still legal to spear.

Today, Tatum would have drawn a penalty, fine, & possible suspension for spearing White like he did. Here’s a rather grainy video of the play you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQrxahyXow

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Jan 26, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think any one sport has cornered the market on "athleticism"

because each sport requires it’s own unique ability to be successful

It takes a special, athletic skill set to be able to withstand what amounts 12 a dozen or more carwrecks every Sunday for six months out of the year.

It also requires a uniques skill set to skate on ice and have the hand-eye coordination to manipilate a frozen piece of rubber.

Just because a person is naturally athletic, or even freakishly athletic, doesn’t mean they can be successful in a certain sport, as you pointed out.

But the most difficult skillset is trying to hit a baseball from 60.5 feet away that’s moving at 90+ mph. Or taking that baseball and making it curve a foot. A hitter that fails 70% of the time is considered an elite batsman.

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by MilCardFan on Jan 25, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Being a good baseball hitter is the most difficult feat to accomplish.

by purplegrey on Jan 25, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Different positions require

differing levels of athleticism although quick feet are a must at any position in the NFL. One reason times in the 40 can be deceiving vis-a-vis football ability is that generally only quick bursts are needed, not a flat out sprint. The thing that made Deion Sanders such a force at corner was his closing burst not his outright sprinter’s speed although that was considerable.

QB, of course, is the most difficult position to evaluate in the draft for a number of reasons. One, most college defenses are pretty vanilla. Two, with the exception of a few programs like USC the passing offenses are likewise primitive compared to the NFL. Yes, Ryan and Flacco had good years but they weren’t asked to do a whole lot and when they were both faltered badly in the playoffs.

Pro Football Weekly’s look at the first round.

by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Jan 25, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ESPN's Page 2 did an extensive article on this a few years back.

Here are their results for the toughest sports. Of course all of this is very debatable, but I think they did a pretty good job at ranking sports in degree of difficulty.

One of my favorite arguments is when old-timers say things like “Jim Brown or Wilt Chamberlain could still dominate in today’s league.” No way. Not a chance. Although they were undoubtedly elite athletes of their time, just one look at old game films to see that every single person on the field, court, or ice is bigger and faster than the previous generation.

Andrew makes an excellent point—how big and fast is too big and fast? The advancement of athletic performance has increased almost exponentially due to specialization and advancements in technology, supplements, and diet. Will it finally hit a plateau, or will it keep going until someone’s body literally gives out on the field?

by ericj69 on Jan 26, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Subject

Very hard to determine where the “best” athletes lie in sports today. Nobody has mentioned “Professional” Wrestling Entertainers either….I think these guys are in shape, very coordinated and obviously possess strength….lots of ex-football players there as well.
I think the determination of the athletes who truly dominated their sport needs to be addressed…if Jordan spent all his energy on baseball instead of basketball where would he be? Could Tiger hit a curveball if baseball was his life’s passion instead of golf? I’ve only heard stories of Winfield so I don’t have much there but has there been anyone else who was drafted by 3 different professional sports?

Here’s the downside of players getting bigger, stronger and faster….very interesting article and where do they take this? I’m not into babying players but I think this deserves some consideration on ways to combat the effects of concussions.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/26/athlete.brains/index.html?iref=newssearch

by vikesincebirth on Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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