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Potential 2009 QB Candidates - minus Brett Favre

There's been alot of speculation since the offseason began about who is eventually going to fill the role as QB for the Minnesota Vikings during the 2009-2010 season.

And as recent as yesterday (and, somewhat ironically, just below this story) the words "Brett Favre" came flying out of nowhere, again, much like one of Favre's passes, landing on our front page here at DN.

But just as we've made another interception of a "Brett Favre in Minnesota...LOLOLZ" story, I'd like to cover a few viable options for the 2009 season - which have nothing to do with Favre.

Star-divide

A few names keep appearing as possible candidates to fill the QB role for our Vikings during the 2009 season:

  • Donovan McNabb, who led the Eagles to a (begrudgingly) brilliant win versus our Vikes this past postseason.  Studied under Childress/Andy Reid and is more than familiar with our (alleged) style of offense (aka: Chilly-style).  He's reportedly plotting his exit from Philadelphia and miffed at the on-again off-again rumors surrounding his role in Philadelphia.
  • Matt Cassel, the California kid who hadn't started a game since high school and somehow led the Patriots to an 11-5 record (edit).  And even managed a Week 16 blowout of the Arizona Cardinals, racking up 3 TDs and 345 yds through the air.  We're still waiting to hear if his contract will be renewed by New England (which we'll find out on February 5, 2009). I'd be astounded if New England allowed him to become available.
  • Jeff Garcia, who turns 39 on February 24th, but still manages to show the poise of a veteran QB, and the wheels of Gizmoduck . He even resembles the cartoon character a bit.  He managed to put up a respectable 2,712 yds during the 2008 season, and 12 TDs - starting 11 games out of the season.  Garcia has also been bouncing around the NFL over the past few years, and he hasn't been offered a contract by Tampa Bay for the 2009 season yet...so he may become available.
  • Derek Anderson, who I'm adding to the list for the sake of having one more option.  He had an awful year - partly due to being surrounded by an awful team and some bizarre fans (who applauded when he was injured).  He may be a viable option if traded for a high draft pick.  Who knows what that would do for his spirits - escape from Cleveland!
  • John David Booty, who hasn't taken a regular season snap in the NFL yet might actually follow suit with a QB on par with Matt Cassel.  But we don't know, because he hasn't hit the field yet.  At least during the regular season anyway.
  • Tarvaris Jackson, the one we've all come to know and love...or in some cases hate (for me it's love; I like the kid - just think he needs time and a good OL).  He's got a great set of wheels that makes him dangerous when he runs the ball, which also falls inline with our running schemes.  He makes mistakes at terrible times, which some (potentially) great QB's are prone to do from time to time (Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers).  On the other hand, he has made some brilliant plays on the field, albeit sparingly at times.

So here we have what I've dubbed the "Top Candidates" for the 2009 season.  I didn't bother to list Brett Favre because I can't imagine the series of events falling into place that would allow him to wear purple - especially after so many years in green.

There is, of course, the potential that I've missed a name or two, so feel free to submit them for consideration.  And please - no mention of Ingle Martin IV, even if he has the most awesome name ever...

Discuss.

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Still on the Jackson bandwagon...

The kid’s shown some great potential, and also what can happen when he’s at the top of his game. With an improved O line and another year under his belt, he could develop into exactly what we need. If this year doesn’t work out though, I’d say show him the door.

by cruton647 on Jan 28, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but with a little hesitation

My first point of contention would be if Jackson is still getting sacked at the same rate in 2009 as Gus Frerotte was getting sacked this past season. It would definitely affect his performance and take away any confidence he might be gaining during the offseason and regular season.

I do have to say though, we should give JD Booty a good shot throughout the preseason, regardless of any QB’s we might pick up this offseason. It will at least give him some playing time and give us the chance to get a good look at him and what he might be able to bring to the team.

But overall, I’m still backing #7. We’re all still waiting for the pieces to fall into place, but I get the feeling that they are – slowly.

by AustinVike on Jan 28, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pats didn't make playoffs

not a big deal but cassell didn’t lead the patriots to the postseason, just an 11-5 record

by osuvikes on Jan 28, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for pointing that out.

I edited that info into the write-up, but yes, thanks again.

11-5 and not making the playoffs is a pretty rare thing, but I guess it’s just as weird that Arizona is in the Super Bowl with a 9-7 regular season record…

And, oh yeah…we kicked the crap out of the Cards! Counts for something.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no no jacko!

i can’t make it through another year of jacko as our starter. if the kid hits his first few passes he is adequate for the game. if he is off he is way off. i just can’t take it. i don’t blame jacko, i blame chilly for not having the foresight to bring in an option other that gus.

wyohonky

by wyohonky on Jan 28, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Tjack needs about 5 years with an extremely patient qb coach. The guys mechanics are horrible. How many more passes do we have to see of that guy doing a little basketball style jump shot? Send him down the river or through him under the bus (I’m in favor of the latter).

by njcathey on Jan 29, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously didn’t watch him at the end of the season, because I don’t remember a single basketball jump. He had much better throws after he took over from Frerotte.

by Frost on Jan 30, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

5 years to learn?

Nobody deserves 5 years to learn the ropes in the NFL. The average career is around 4 years!

As for mechanical issues, Childress was quoted as saying, “I either buy the throwing motion or I don’t”. He must have liked TJ’s throwing motion to have traded up so far to get him (when nobody else thought of him as much more than a 5th-6th rounder).

by KC Viking on Feb 4, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Vick...Again

There’s a restaurant that I take my family to about once a week that is owned by a retired police officer. He gets the business of many of the departments in the area as well as the guards from the prisons. One of these prison guards was at the place (in Virginia) where Micheal Vick was being held awaiting trial by the state. The owners son (who is a Cowboy fan) approached me today and asked if I’d heard of who the Vikings were looking at for a quarterback. I mentioned a few names and he said that the Vikings had been in touch with Vick as well as his Cowboys. I doubted his story and told him that Ziggy has gone to great lengths repair the Purple’s image after the scandals of the past few seasons and bringing baggage like Vick on board would destroy all he had done. He went on to say that this prison guard had swore that the Vikes and Cowboys were in touch and that Micheal would be a free man by the summer. Whether this is true or not, I can’t say. The guy that told me this isn’t the kind to spread b.s. while I can’t vouch for the prison guard’s credibility. I’m just hoping that our organization isn’t THAT desperate to go out and give this guy a contract. I’d rather see Jerry Jones take another wayward orphan into his disfunctional family than to see him wind up with us.

by purplegrey on Jan 28, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oddly enough...

I just discussed that today at my blog, Viking Vigil.

I don’t know how I feel about Vick as a Viking. He would free up Peterson a little, and a superb offensive line wouldn’t be such a dire need, but the media following him… I just don’t know.

We don’t even know if Goodell will reinstate Vick. He may end up entering the UFL.

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by Andersklasen on Jan 28, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

You bet.

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by Andersklasen on Jan 29, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, pimpin' ain't easy

:)

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by MilCardFan on Jan 29, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But it sure is fun?

Yeah, it’s pretty fun.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just say no......to Michael Vick

If the Vikings were to sign Michael Vick to any kind of contract I would boycott the franchise. Plain and simple.

by MinnesotaRage on Jan 29, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

QB options
  1. T-Jack
  2. Carson Palmer

by employer on Jan 29, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Minnesota Viking Quarterback Retirement Program

As good as McNabb and Garcia both looked this year, I am fearful of how much tread is left on those tires. Minnesota should find a guy that is young but isn’t a complete unknown in the arena of professional football. I would love to see Derrik Anderson or Matt Cassel come to Minnesota.

by njcathey on Jan 29, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I considered this fact while piecing together info.

The phrase “Minnesota: The Place Where Quarterbacks Come To Die” was the actual line I came up with. Not definitely true, but could be taken that way in a few cases, or at least “The Place Where Quarterback’s Careers Are Significantly Shortened”.

Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, Brad Johnson. I guess they all have put in a few years after their stints in MN, but it seems like after playing here they end up leaving for whatever reason and never gaining a steady foothold anywhere else in the NFL.

Just an observation.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

QB Retrospective

I’ve kinda noticed this trend as well, and I hope it’s over with soon. The Vikes have had a tendency to pick up the ‘hot veteran QB prospect’ but that prospect was on his last legs.

Well… let’s look at the history;

Leading into the late 90s…

Brad Johnson – Started with the Vikes, had an 89.0 rating year and was traded to the Redskins, where he promptly took them to a Super Bowl, came back to the Vikes in his 14th year, stayed for 2 years before being shuffled off to the Old Folks Home, erm, that is, Dallas Cowboys. Signing a QB in his 14th year is not a recipe for longevity. Should never have been let go by the Vikes the first time, though.

Wade Wilson – Started with the Vikes, played 11 years. His QB rating had peaked about 4 years previously, at about 91, and declined to 53 when he was traded to Atlanta. Once with the Falcons, his rating promptly went up to 110. They shuffled him off while he was hot, and while he was never again that good for his remaining 7 years with other teams, he wasn’t that bad either.

Rich Gannon – Started with the Vikes, stayed 6 years, then went elsewhere to be a #1 QB, gave his best years to the Raiders. Not sure why the Vikes let him go, they decided Salisbury was the better QB and then let Salisbury go the following year.

Sean Salisbury – Played 8 years total in the NFL, 5 of them with the Vikings, put up a decent rating, the was traded to the Chargers. He lasted 1 year there, then hopped to the CFL and took his team there to the Gray Cup.

The late 90’s support the thesis, however….

Jim McMahon – Played for the Vikes 1 year, had a so-so rating of 76, and moved on, and was never significant in the NFL again. Good call by Vikings management, but what were they thinking to sign him to begin with? Must’ve been desperation.

Warren Moon – Acquired in his 11th year by the Vikes, he should have lasted longer… but had a bad year (rating of 63), and the Vikes traded him after only 3 years in harness. He went on to have a decent year for Seattle but was in decline ever since. Good call by Vikings management.

Randall Cunningham – Acquired in his 12th year by the Vikes, he stuck around for 3 years, did just fine, particularly in ‘98 with a rating of 106. But he didn’t start all the games in his final year with the Vikes, nor with his next two teams. Another good call in letting him go when they did, Cunningham was out of gas.

Jeff George – Acquired in his 10th year for the Vikings, he did an excellent job (rating of 94) in the single year he was with the Vikes. Afterwards, his career went downhill at a brisk clip. Vikes got the last of the juice out of him, before he ran dry.

Daunte Culpepper – Who’d’ve thought he’d turn out to be so fragile? Childress called this one on the nose, Culpepper never recovered from the knee injury to be the QB he once was, especially without Moss to help his numbers. The Vikings let Daunte go at the right time, when Daunte wanted to go, and it worked out. Culpepper has never been a significant factor in the NFL since.

by DCPurple on Jan 30, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Salisbury Correction

He took Winnipeg to the Gray Cup in ‘88, and after his CFL stint, came to the Vikings. So he was pretty much the start of the Vikings QBs that didn’t do well afterwards, not McMahon.

by DCPurple on Jan 30, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With All Do Respect

The Vikings acquiring McMahon, Moon, Cunningham, George and Johnson (2.0) in the twilight of each of their careers says more about front office decision making than any of their talents or abilities; and also speaks to their performances here and thereafter.

by LoveHate on Jan 30, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Front Office

I was surprised, looking at that, how often the front office made the right decision on letting those guys go. The only mistake I think they made was letting Johnson go the first time; he clearly had a lot more left in him. Still…. how much of it is a matter of finding the right QB for the right team and the right offensive scheme, bringing the package together so to speak? A QB who excels with Team A might flop with Team B just because he’s not a good fit, and vice versa.

Which brings to mind… Cassel.

by DCPurple on Feb 1, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The same can be said...

…of the GMs who let go of Moon, Cunningham, et al prior to their Viking years. Yes, most of them were productive for 1 or more years afterward, but also at a much higher cost than those GMs thought they were worth relative to whomever replaced them (and in some cases, the former team would not have benefitted from a great QB performance while rebuilding).

I think the Vikes should have kept 2 of Gannon, Johnson, and/or Cunningham (possibly my favorite football player ever). At least George, and possibly some of the others, also would have benefitted from throwing to Carter/Moss and handing off to Smith.

by KC Viking on Feb 4, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Johnson

While he did play for the Redskins and took them to the playoffs, it was the Bucs that he went to the Super Bowl with…

by purplegrey on Jan 30, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

My mistake, you’re right, I was going over too many stats too fast. His year with the Redskins was stellar, but they lost in the playoffs.

by DCPurple on Feb 1, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Daunte and TJ

Daunte Culpepper has played on some of the worst teams in the NFL (Dolphins and Raiders teams which had top-5 draft picks plus the 0-16 Lions) without his scrambling ability which used to draw coverage off of receivers. STILL, Daunte managed to post average or even above average QB ratings (low 80s) in the past few years. I’d love to see Culpepper back in a Vikings uni again, even if he has to start out as a backup.

TJ still has his speed, but he doesn’t use it. He has had more talent around him, too. TJ should post nothing less than an 88-90-something passer rating in order to justify keeping him around.

JaMarcus Russell improved dramatically this year, and maybe Culpepper had something to do with that.

by KC Viking on Feb 4, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fact...

If the Vikings feel there is a QB out there that is better than Tarvaris Jackson they will bring him in and let him start. That being said, there are few out there that I would deem able to come in and be better than Tarvaris Jackson with running our offense

Options:

1. Matt Cassell- Who knows if it was he or the mighty offense of the Pats that made such a big season for him. He has huge one year wonder potential, and I question how well he’d do in our offense.

2. Sage Rosenfels- We tried to trade for him last year and it didn’t work out because we wouldn’t pay a #2 draft pick. I think we might up that deal this year.

3. Derek Anderson- You know Cleveland would ship him for the right price since Brady Quinn is sitting back there, but he did have a horrible season……then again so did the entire Browns team. Hell, if Braylon Edwards would have caught all the balls he dropped this year, Anderson might have made the pro bowl. He would be a huge risk, but could be a huge reward for a team that could give him pass protection. The guy is only 25.

Omitted-

Donovan McNabb, because he played well down the stretch and Philly would be stupid to let him go.

Carson Palmer- The only guy in Cinci that is still a franchise level player so he’s not going anywhere.

Brett Farve- Douche bag

Joe Montana- On second thought………anyone have his number?

Anyone not mentioned has no prayer of being better than TJack. Jeff Garcia is old and can’t throw. If we go into the season with TJack as a starter it will be ok only because there really is no better option. One way or another we gotta hope he comes around.

by NYCVike on Jan 29, 2009 12:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Carson Palmer

I think I read that he signed a massive contract extension a few years back, so yeah, he’s not going anywhere.

I think Derek Anderson’s availability is growing by the day since:

1) He was injured.
2) Brady Quinn
3) Cleveland doesn’t seem like the right fit for the guy.

Who knows, maybe we’ll push for him during the offseason and make TJack a solid backup, or vice versa. I honestly can’t wait to see what pans out with DA’s situation.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the Rosefels route

if the Vikings want to bring someone in to give Jackson some competition for the top slot. Derek Anderson’s terrible — immobile, terrible accuracy on short throws — IOW a younger Gus Frerotte. Byron Leftwich would also be worthy of consideration here.

All that said the Vikings need to focus in FA/draft on shoring up the right side of the OL especially ROT and also they need receiver help in a big way considering the backward strides made by both Sidney Rice and Aundrae Allison. The WC offense requires physical receivers who can shed the bump at get YAC like a Greg Jennings. Currently, the Vikings have nobody fitting that profile.

by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Jan 31, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is no one suggesting Matt Hasselback? I mean that team might be rebuilding he would be good for us.. Do some research peeps no way we’re getting cassel id say garcia but hes old we want someone who we can have a few years. If T-Jack is the starter there will be a lot of blackouts.

by Zoxide on Jan 29, 2009 1:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yes - Hasselback

He would clearly be the best option and generally knows the system. He’s experienced but not THAT old. The Seahawks need to rebuild so maybe we could pry him our of their hands but it will cost something. I’d venture to say the cost would be worth it and he would have a great year if we can improve the right side of the line a bit. Keep TJack and Booty around for the future if possible.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Feb 2, 2009 4:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A good O-Line...?

I was under the impression that the Vikings had a very solid offensive line. Sure, they let some pass rushers through because of some late blitz pick ups, but on the whole, they were pretty solid.

While I realize the running game is different than the passing game, our line did help Peterson become the NFL Rushing Champion, so that’s gotta be good for something, right?

I just don’t think blaming the O-line for Tarvaris’ faults is completely fair. Every QB is going to have to deal with pressure, reading defenses, and hitting the “hot” receiver. Jackson never really showed his ability to do that, especially against the blitz-happy Eagles.

Again, yes, Ryan Cook is not good, but Birk, Hutchinson, even McKinnie are all above average, and Anthony Herrera does a solid job at right guard. While it’s obviously not an elite of the elite offensive line, it’s pretty dang good. When McKinnie is playing at his potential, we have one of the more dominant left sides in the league. Again, just my opinion.

Also, I agree on Matt Hasselbeck; I’d take him in a heartbeat. Hell, I’d take Seneca Wallace at this point. I just want someone to compete with Tarvaris. At the very least, that would maybe light a fire under his ass, though one would think getting benched for 75% of the season would have done that.

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by Manimal on Jan 29, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Who's Fault?

According to NFL Matchup, in 2008 the Vikings ranked #20th in the NFL for allowed sacks, with an average of 2.8/game, or 20 total. Just on a relative scale, being below the half-mark, the Vikings ability to prevent a sack, sucked. Our QB’s got the snot beat out of them.

And this is with an offense that’s built around the running game, so there’s a smaller percentage of passing plays. If the stats reflected that imbalance, the Vikings allowed sack position would probably be worse.

So who’s fault is that….

Is it an O-line that can’t hold the line, despite their hype? I don’t see where you can hold them completely blameless.

Is it a lousy pair of QBs who hold onto the ball too long because they’re able to figure out where to throw it in time?

Is it a slooooooow trio of receivers who aren’t fast enough to get open before the QB is re-introduced to the dirt?

Or is it some serendipitous combination of all three of those factors?

Bottom line is, once again… the Vikings need a franchise QB, a truly fast #1 WR, and at the least, two solid performers at Center (assuming Birk is gone) and Right Tackle.

by DCPurple on Jan 29, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I just don’t think our line should take all of the blame, but you’re right. Gus had no mobility, Jackson couldn’t decide where to go with the ball, our wide outs weren’t quick enough at times, but I would have to agree that it was a combonation of all of the above.

Ryan Cook is a cancer on that line. False start after false start just demoralizes an offense, the line especially.

We need either a solid #1 burner on the field or an insanely quick, sure handed slot receiver that can run fast, tight routes and get open fast.

Of course, the real bottom line is that none of this matters without a solid guy behind center to make it all happen. I hate to use him as an example, but Brett Favre, when the Packers when 13-3, he carried that team, by himself, into the NFC Championship game. He did get help from Ryan Grant, and Greg Jennings emerged as a star, but the first half of the season was mainly because of him. The man was good. Now? Not so much.

Regardless, a few key positions filled means post season success for the Vikings. I sure hope we can get it.

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by Manimal on Jan 29, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I made the observation based purely off of #‘s of sacks during the season (or rather sacks allowed as a team). It surely didn’t help that Gus Frerotte was back there – he’s never been known as a scrambler. Plus the whole age thing.

It couldn’t hurt to shore up the O-Line a bit, or at least bring in a little more depth primarily on the right side.

Again, this might be something that fixes itself with more consistent play over time – there’s no way to tell except playing the waiting game.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Hasselbeck

His name was brought up a while back and I like the idea of him in purple. He’s more proven than a Matt Cassell or a Derek Anderson. He’s 33 years old coming off an injury filled 2008 season. If he can come back after those injuries, he could be the perfect QB for the Vikings. I bet he’d be really good at handing the ball off to Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor — he had an MVP running back in Shaun Alexander a few years back. I could see him throwing it deep to Bernard and Sidney (hoping for a better 2009 from the kid) and dumping it off over the middle to Bobby Wade and Visanthe "Shiancoe. He seems to be a good leader on the field and wouldn’t mind taking a back seat to Purple Jesus.
He’s not a free agent, but it’s up in the air whether or not he’ll be back with the Seahawks for 2009. The trade history between the Vikings and the Seahawks might make it a little harder for us to get him, but I could us getting him for a 2nd round draft pick — much less than what we’d have to dish out for Matt Cassell.

by dthompson on Jan 29, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hasselbeck in Purple

I saw a commercial with him pimping some energy drink, and the drink’s logo color happened to be purple, so there was Hasslebeck, working out in a purple jersey. Your wish has been granted :)

Seriously, if he can overcome the injuries, he’d be a great fit with the Vikes. But if he can overcome the injuries, would Seattle let him go….?

by DCPurple on Jan 29, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dream come true!

I guess I didn’t realize that my dream has already come true. I have seen that commercial too. Maybe it’s a hint that Hasselbeck is trying to throw out there!
I don’t know what Seattle is thinking about their team right now and if they want to keep a veteran QB. They’re coming off a 4-12 season and they might be in rebuilding mode. If it’s going to take 3-4 years to rebuild, that might be all that Matt has left. Hard to say at this point. Maybe the 4-12 season was just a fluke after all those injuries the Seahawks had. I think they were starting their 7th string WR at some point last year!

by dthompson on Jan 29, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Boller

He is a free agent, coming off surgery and Baltimore will almost certainly release him now that they have Flacco and Smith.

He may not be the answer, but it since he could be had for almost nothing, it is worth bringing him in to work out and complete with TJ.

by NYC Viking on Jan 29, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gizmoduck for QB!

Any reference to my religious after-school TV viewing of Disney shows in 3rd-6th grade is a huge bonus. That said, doesn’t this seem like one of the worst possible offseasons to be looking for a quarterback? For fellow Flight Of The Conchords fans, are we shopping in the New Zealander section in the fruit stand of quarterbacks?

by ericj69 on Jan 29, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Booty

We already have a project in John David. Why would we bring in another?

by LAviking on Jan 30, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Favre?

Nice writeup, but I disagree on Favre, with two caveats. Wrote about it on The Purplr Buckeye:, if you care to look:

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by MilCardFan on Jan 29, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

self promotion?

Gonzo just sent out a post looking for advertisers.

Maybe Vikingvigil and purplebuckeye can become his first customers ;-)

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by diok9 on Jan 29, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, shameless self-promotion works

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I am now up to 2, count ’em 2, readers.

Counting my wife and brother. :)

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by MilCardFan on Jan 29, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Favre

I say bring him in. The reason the Jets faltered late was because of their ineffective running game, thus forcing Favre to carry the team with throwin the pig skin more. He did make some errant throws, but we have AP to take the pressure off him to make high percentage throws (which he excels at).

by LAviking on Jan 30, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Favre's arm was dead

by the end of the season. He needs to retire.

by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Jan 31, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Warner?

I haven’t heard Kurt Warner’s name thrown into this discussion yet. He’s younger than Favre (barely) and will be a free agent if the Cards don’t resign him (which would be crazy stupid if you ask me). If the time is now then shouldn’t his name be in the mix?

by chairman on Jan 29, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

I think it all depends on what happens during the Super Bowl. His contract is up, and he’s had one helluva year. My gut feeling is that the Cards are going to extend his contract for at least another couple years.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At this juncture...

Warner holds the keys to his future. He will be offered a contract by Arizona and likely won’t consider testing free agency at this point in his career (considering the talent around him and current level of success). It is more likely he retire than it is he would become a Viking.

But that is not what all of the conjecture is about!

by LoveHate on Jan 30, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Chris Simms?

Maybe someone with more time to check out his status.

by RileysCannibalJct on Jan 29, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Suprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet,

But what about David Carr? Give the guy an o-line that can actually give him time to do something, and you might be amazed what he can do for you.

by PurpleSpectre on Jan 29, 2009 4:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We will have more options than TJax, that's for sure.

It’s just a matter of Childress admitting that we need help, and the front office pulling the trigger on a deal. Teams out there that have a QB to spare such as Cleveland, New England, and Houston among others, are in need of other pieces to complete their championship puzzle. That’s where the extra draft pick we trade for their backup QB comes in. They need something, we need something, a deal is made.

I don’t understand this ongoing faithfulness to Jackson and the broken record that is “given more time and another offseason of ‘learning’ and he’ll be ready”. This is a dangerously trusting attitude to have given Jackson’s results have been tipping heavily toward the poor side. And how much time is going to be enough anyway?

AustinVike even says the following in his paragraph on Jackson as our starting option: “On the other hand, he has made some brilliant plays on the field, albeit sparingly at times”.

What brilliant plays has he ever made? Isn’t it more like we see so many boneheaded plays that when we see an adequate one, we may be forced to view it as “brilliant” by comparison?

Part of the support some people have for Jackson as our starter is to make an excuse that given Childress’ conservative playcalling, Jackson doesn’t get enough opportunities to show what he’s got. Now, I’m far from a Childress defender when it comes to the offense he claims is kick-ass. But lets open ourselves up to the possibility that Childress is giving Jackson all he thinks he can handle…and he still can’t handle it.

And can it all be the fault of the offense and none of the blame go to the man who is executing it? Really, is Childress making call after call for Jackson to throw the ball in front of the first down marker on third and 8 or is it that Jackson only sees that man open because it’s the easier read?

And another defense for Jackson is the strong finish he had to this season, which proves how he has turned things around. Sure it’s possible that he has turned it around when you look at his numbers in the Atlanta, Arizona, and Giants games, but remember the situations in which he put up those stats:

Arizona: Often regarded as Jackson’s strongest game, I would have to also add that it was our defenses’ finest hour as well. They allowed the dangerous Cardinals offense to score a single offensive TD, and gave the ball to our offense with a short field. So Jackson was able to take a short field against a defense that #1 wasn’t very good that day, and #2 was geared up to stop Peterson (which they didn’t since he had 165 yards anyway). It’s great that he had 4 tds but was it his stellar play that won that game? And answer this: would Frerotte have had any worse of a game if he were healthy and in the same situation that the defense had given Jackson? Sure, there is something to be said for not screwing up in that nice situation the defense set you up in, but if that’s the yardstick we’re measuring our QB by, we’re really setting the bar pretty low.

Atlanta: Peterson and Jackson turned the ball over so many times (6 if I remember correctly) and gave Atlanta an early lead, making it very difficult to post a comeback. All the Falcons defense had to do was stop Peterson (and AP did a lot of that himself) and play deep coverage to keep us from going downfield. So then, with coverage backed off, Jackson threw the ball 36 times for 233 yards and 2 TDs. Nice numbers, but who couldn’t do that against such a defense? And we did lose the game when we needed a win.

New York: In a game in which many Giants starters were on the bench for the best part of three quarters, our offense sputtered worse than it had most of the latter part of the season. Jackson put up 239 yards and threw a 54 yard TD to Berrian to go along with an interception. Peterson was once again the target of the defense, going for 103 yards and a TD on 21 carries, but take away his 67 yard TD and he rushed for for 36 yards and an average of 1.8 yds/carry. In other words, the defense did shut him down and Jackson kind-of took advantage. That’s good, and it’s what he should be doing with the best RB in the NFL behind him, but how often does he take advantage? And considering the Giants scored only 19 points (4 FGs and a TD), couldn’t we credit the defense with this win too?

Philadelphia: Not much to say here. He looked lost all game and telegraphed the interception Samuel took back for a TD like he was a rookie making his first start. Yes, the Eagles defense is good (but not great) and yes, Jackson is still technically a “young” QB. But he’s started 14 games and played in 23 games, yet he’s still doing the same things he did and in the same way that he did them in his first games. After all of the practice and game experience, shouldn’t that stuff be showing up a lot less now?

by Bodysuit Man on Jan 29, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Totally valid points.

Nice post – very valid points that are fully explained.

The one thing I keep thinking of is the influence our running game has on our throwing game. There are two teams I like to reference when thinking about this: New Orleans and Denver, both of whom have great air games, but terrible running games.

There rarely is room for both an excellent running game AND throwing game, and I can’t really think of a team that has had both at once…even looking at the stats from other teams it becomes pretty clear that it’s either one or the other.

by AustinVike on Jan 29, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, sort of...

How do you judge a great running game or great passing game? Is it sheer numbers? Is it an ability to put together long, time consuming drives? Is it the ability to make explosive plays? I think that’s kind of a judgement call based upon the mentality of your offense. I disagree that great running/great passing is an either/or proposition. The THREAT of a great passing game, like the VIkings had from ‘98-’04, made the running game better by fiat, and vice versa. A finally healthy Robert Smith (and proud OSU alum—sorry, gotta plug the Buckeyes) was arguably the best back in the game when he retired after the 2000 season. Even a one trick pony like Michael Bennett was able to rush for almost 1,300 yards because defenses were so scared of Moss and Carter. But did Smith’s improved running ability and health contribute to the Vikings being able to complete more passes in what might be considered running situations because of the threat of Robert Smith?

I think that can be argued as well.

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by MilCardFan on Jan 29, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Balance is the Key, MilCardFan(son)

Mr. Miagi knew what he was talking about when counseled Danny Larusso of the fundamentals of Karate (all things being equal).

by LoveHate on Jan 30, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Airzona: Well, considering how he scored those 4 TDs (The shoulder-fake to Wade, the perfect bomb to Berrian, the short throw to Rice on the numbers, and, I think, a screen to Taylor.) yeah, I’m pretty sure we won that game based on his performance. Sure, the defense did a good job, but I think Jackson deserves more credit for this game than you’re giving him. Would Frerotte have done worse? Who knows. Jackson threw for 4 TDs. That’d be hard to top.

Atlanta: That game was entirely winnable, if not for Peterson’s fumbles. And the fact it was still close at the end should be a testament to how well Jackson was playing. He made wonderful throws in this game too, finding the wide-open Shiancoe to give him a career day. Jackson eluded pressure all day long, made excellent gains on the ground when the coverage wasn’t there and kept us in the game almost single handedly.

Giants: Yeah, the defense handled the Giants offense pretty well… until the second half. Then Jackson threw and int and I bet everyone was thinking it was game over. Except he made up for it and lead the team downfield the next series. Its worth noting that was his first turnover in those 3 games. Not bad at all, if you ask me.

Philidelphia: Playoff time, and yes, he looked lost at times. He wasn’t getting much help though. The O-line was giving up too much penetration, and even though Jackson didn’t throw a TD, he did lead us down the field very well in the first half. He didn’t look so lost in the first two quarters, minus the interception return. It was the last two where he started to struggle.

If you ask me, the stuff IS showing up alot less now. Compared to how he was last season, he played much much better. I’m not entirely sold on him being the best option for the team, but he isn’t as bad as most fans try to make him out to be. Not in the least. The kid has talent and potential, and I’d be willing to let him show what he’s got.

by Frost on Jan 30, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How long are you willing to give him?

If he has to have a full season as a starter and never be injured in that season to prove that he has what it takes, it may never happen. Jackson supporters are torn: was he rushed out there and thrown into the fire too soon, or has he not been given enough game experience to develop?

It’s not that I’m making him out to be terrible, and I don’t hate him like some of his defenders try to imply to his detractors, it’s that he isn’t good enough right now. And the team is built to win now. It would be different if we were in a rebuilding mode. But we aren’t.

What’s wrong with trying to get better at the most important position on the field instead of treading water, waiting for something that may not happen. It is possible that he might not be good enough to win a championship isn’t it?

What’s amazing is that many Jackson supporters cast doubt on whether or not Matt Cassel can be a good QB. We’re still waiting for Jackson’s big season going into his fourth year with playing time. Cassel just made his first starts since high school, stayed healthy all year, played for one of the league’s most demanding coaches, and lead a team decimated with injuries to an 11-5 record. But we have nothing to go on with him!?!? In what way is he not an improvement over Tarvaris Jackson?

Jackson gets hurt or yanked in every season he plays in. Who’s fault is that, and when is he going to show the ability to take a team on his back for more than a series here and there? Enough excuses. You give a guy like Jackson a shot when you have no other choice (as in the cases of Brady and Cassel), not when you overdraft him with the intent to build your team around him. He wasn’t up to it, and he still isn’t. It’s nothing personal, I just don’t see anything special in him at all. Fine backup who can start a maximum of three games a season without screwing up too badly though.

by Bodysuit Man on Jan 30, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as it takes...

Cassel was put into an offense with one of the better offensive lines, some of the best wide recievers in the game today, and had a genius of a coach calling the plays. Not to mention he’s been in the system for a while. And even then, when he was first called upon, it took him quite a bit to get going. He didn’t really start to be seen as “good” until he had those back to back 400 yarders.

Granted, Jackson hasn’t thrown for 400 yards, or even 300, ever in his career, but he hasn’t exactly had Randy Moss and Wes Welker to work with. Plus. he’s not going to cost us multiple draft picks. There’s no way Cassel is worth two first rounders and a third. I’d rather try to get Palmer with that than Cassel. Wide recievers and picks aside, he will not have a coach near the level of Belichick in Minnesota. Not even close. And I doubt he ever will if he comes here.

I understand that Jackson isn’t “good” NOW, but there’s still a sneaking suspicion that maybe he can be. I mean, you have to admit he showed some promise during his 3 game tenure, the playoff game excluded. What if Cassel turns out to be the next Derek Anderson? He sure did well this season, right? Or he should have, because he had a breakout season the last one. I just don’t see the point in spending that many draft picks on a guy who’s a huge question mark, especially when we already have a question mark QB.

by Frost on Jan 30, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it worth it?

If the Vikes trade away every 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick for the next 3 years, but get a QB and WR and O-line that takes them to the Super Bowl for the next 3 years, is it worth it?

Is a Super Bowl worth losing high picks?

I think it is.

by DCPurple on Feb 1, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Continuation

Sorry about the double-post like this.

I’m not saying that Cassell is the right QB for the job, I don’t know if he is or not. He seems like another big question market, if he’s not the right fit, he’ll fail in Minnesota.

And T-Jack may turn out to be all that we hope he can be, I’m sure he’ll have every opportunity to prove himself or sink himself.

But I think the rest of the Vikings team, barring the critically needed positions of QB, #1WR, is ready to go all the way. Even if the Vikes can’t fix those this time around, they can still beef up the O-line and and maybe find a better punter.

by DCPurple on Feb 1, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin Vike likes T-Jack! Why?!

I liked this article until you actually said that you like Tavaris Jackson! You said that you liked his ability to run the football. well I guess then we should get rid of Adrian Peterson and put Tavaris at runningback. Last I heard Quarterbacks aren’t known for running the football! I would sacrifice his running ability for him actually being able to make multiple reads and run an offense under pressure. Wow, your probably the guy who keeps advocating Vince Young and Mike Vick. This isn’t college football. We don’t need a scrambler. Ask the Arizona Cardinals if they think Kurt Warner should lose his job cause he cannot make things happen with his feet.

P.S. Matt Cassel did not make the playoffs.

by mattscards77 on Jan 29, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hidden gems or coloered glass

David Carr is hidden away and forgotten behind Eli. I think he was an unfortunate #1 pick who had to play behind a horrendous O-line for too many years. At times he’s looked great and at other times he’s been horrible.

Dennis Dixon. Steelers #3 QB who’s aching to get his shot. Would have been a top 10 pick and was a Heisman candidate until the late season knee injury.

Gems or glass???

by Stubby83 on Jan 29, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

QB options -2

Lots of good stuff to mull over. With that thought in mind I have to say (again) That the most practical options for the Vikes would be -

  1. Jackson
  2. Carson Palmer
    I know that Cincy has Palmer locked up but in the NFL as in life everything is for sale. For the right price. I just don’t see the logic in making a run at another teams backup in hopes that we will somehow be able to turn him into something that almost assuredly will never happen. Sage Rosenfels? Isn’t he backing up Matt Schaub? What has Shaub done? Derrick Anderson? How about this . Brady Quinn sits atop this guy. Lets see who else. Oh yeah. Matt Cassell. Sure.
    Our other option is to pursue a vet with a year or two left in them. Reminds me of the whole Montana to KC thing. Yuck. This team is being built for the long haul. We need someone that will lead in unison with the younger talent we have now. Going after a short timer feels panicky and desperate of which I feel that we are neither. In fact I’m of the thought that we have a bit more luxury at the QB position than most may think. I’m with austinvike. I think the kid can play. I started to see what Jackson could do in the Denver game back in 07’ Of course he came out this past year and stunk it up badly and yes I was miserable. But my misery was as much a product of my distorted expectations as Jackson’s play. ( he did pretty much suck though). Any way, after that AZ game this year I was ready to go out and buy a #7 jersey. Confidence restored.
    If we bag the entire Jackson thing than make a run at a proven that will be around for years to come. Pay up and be done with it. Either way it’ll cost pretty much the same. Although extracting Palmer from Cincy and signing him in minny (and he would come) is at best very remote it’s the only option other than TJack that intrigues me.

by employer on Jan 29, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Keep T-Jack

Bring in someone just in case, and to compete, but Tarvaris has improved, and is playing at a higher level then last year. granted he’s prone to make some mistakes, but look at the draft class he’s in. The heralded Matt Leinart and Vince Young can’t say that they’ve been throwing better, and Jay Cutler is the clear cut best. Give him the entire playbook, one whole year, and another playmaker and he can be what we need.

by nadrojchingy808 on Jan 29, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Open Competition

USC does it, It seems to work out great for them. This way, Booty can get his competitive engines revved up and become our starter. He did come from the same system as Cassel, and we already have him signed. So we can then focus on:
RT
WR
PR/KR
CB
DE

by LAviking on Jan 30, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

T-Jack 2009

Childress would hand the keys to McNabb, I just don’t think that’s gonna happen. TOO expensive. Go ahead and pick whoever up? Go ahead and let them compete for the job. T-Jack will be the starter for 2009. Go VIKES

by Duluth Viking on Jan 30, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

QB possibility

How to get Palmer who is under contract through ‘14 with Bengals? Send over Chester Taylor, draft pick and cash. The Bengals pick 6th so trade up to get a either Stafford or Sanchez. Sign TJ Housh while we’re at it.

by dougvikes on Jan 30, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No way are we trading Chester Taylor. First off, they have Cedric Benson, he’s their man right now. Second, who’s going to replace Taylor? He’s a good change of speed back, and he has very nice hands. He adds some extra dimension to the offense when he’s out there. I’d rather not have Maurice Hicks replace him. The guy had trouble holding onto the rock during pre-season, I cringe thinking about what would happen in a close game if he filled in for Peterson (assuming Peterson wasn’t putting the ball on the ground himself)

by Frost on Jan 30, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We gotta give up someone with trade value to get a player of Palmer’s caliber…and Cincy has Cedric as their PRIMARY back…he sucks…avg. less than 3 yds. per carry and it was all they could get their hands on last year. Vikes can keep AD on the field more when they teach him to pick up the blitz and then we draft a RB in later rounds and pick up a solid FA like a Buckhalter, Sproles or Ward.

by dougvikes on Jan 31, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just have to add.

I’ve been thinking hard about the possibility of Favre coming to us, and I think I’m starting to turn the corner.

It actually sounds like a better idea the more I think about it, for two reasons:

1) would give TJack playing time with a seasoned veteran.
2) would crush the spirit of Packer fans everywhere, which is always fine with me!

i also think it would be funny if he retired wearing purple instead of green, but that;’s just me being greedy.

by AustinVike on Feb 4, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why does everyone believe we should give up on the draft. What if Mark Sanchez drops? He could grow under the tutelage of Brad Childress:eyeroll: and T-Jack for a few seasons.

by LoveBoat1 on Feb 4, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

QB's

Palmer is the best option although it’s not realistic… I have been wanting Carson in Minny for the last 2 seasons. Especially knowing how good his character is along with his level of talent and leadership. He does not fit with the termoil and goofyness of the bengals other players and orginization. Their like us under Mike Tice a few years back. You know Carson is dying to get out of their but realistically it’s tooo much compensation and how credible is the rumor regarding his name surfacing in all of this mess surrounding Vikes. You need the 2 back system in the NFL. I would hate to see Taylor used as bait but if were gonna gamble then I second that we better pick up Hightower or Sproles. Cassel is a good option although risky but I agree he is one of the better possabilities out there than all the other junk available. I think the one thing we are missing is the fact that no matter who the QB or RB’s, etc. the Vikes need to bring in a solid posession #1 calibur reciever to go along with Berrien as a deep threat otherwise we still may fall short of our ultimate goal. Berrien is just that and the rest of our recievers our roll players at best. Maybe give away Wade or Allison or one of the other recievers along with picks and possibly Taylor to nab Palmer if this is true and remotely possible. Add Tjack as part of the package. I have lost all faith in him. I like Booty’s upside alot. I guess it depends on were the team thinks he’s at in his development. Lot of possibilities all around. Hope the team makes the wisest decision for the long term.

by Vikings76 on Feb 9, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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