Regardless of QB

… the KAO is perfect. PERFECT i say! when the Reciever’s fail to get the ball because the Dbacks are drapped all over them, it is their fault they didn’t get seperation. not because the opposing team knew it was a passing play with absolute 100% certainty.

when AP gets only 1 yard on a rush 10 times, and then busts one loose for 50 on the 11, it has nothing to do with his skill. and every thing to do with execution. clearly he is not executing on those 10 rushes for 1 yard each, 11 men in the box be damned, if he had executed he would bust it loose every time, because the KAO is Awsome like that!

Back to seriesness, it is not the personell htat is the problem. it is the scheme. it has its good moments but those 2 yard dump passes to Tahi on 3rd and long, need to be eliminated. we need to add plays that put both Taylor and AP on the field at the same time. and finally we need to add at least 2 audibles to the offense, one to audible into a pass when there are 11 men in the box, and the other to audible into a run, when the safeties are cheating back into coverage.

you are so smart i don’t know what to say. You ave solve all our problem. I can’t belief it. Why didn’t read you post sooner. If i had read your post sooner i would hav had a happy season. If you belief what i just said , i have a piece of land in Florida to sell to you for $1 dollar.

Don’t say things like “he has consistently improved” and leave it at that, as if it’s an indisputable fact. His improvement is quantifiable, and as anyone who cares to study the facts can see in the following link that he has hardly grown in leaps and bounds from his rookie starts three seasons ago:

Sure, he’s a good athlete, and sure, we all want him to succeed. But that doesn’t mean he is succeeding, and frankly, athleticism tends to stunt many a QB’s growth rather than augment it.

He just can’t read defenses right now. Brad Childress, Jackson’s biggest supporter (who doesn’t frequent a Vikings blog), doesn’t seem to trust him with anything other than 5 yard check down passes even when the game is on the line and the team has to go down the field, so what should that tell us? And despite one of the league’s top rushing attacks, Jackson isn’t able to parlay that into useful football experience unless the team has somehow gained a three TD lead on their opponent—which happens how often?

But as it is now, he can’t read a defense and make a play other than to take off running. You have to wonder whether or not he ever will be able to read a defense if he can’t yet. So the question is how long do you give him?

For that matter, how long do other franchises give QBs to succeed? Who are the QBs who required three or more years who ended up being good QBs? I know Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, Kyle Boller, and Patrick Ramsey got three or more years to succeed (and all of them played a higher level of college competition before being drafted btw) and still didn’t turn into anything more than borderline backups. David Garrard is the only one who can be thought to have figured the pro game out, but this season was a major step backward for him so that’s still up in the air.

So other than blind faith, or gut feeling, or plain old hope and prayers, what would make someone think Tarvaris Jackson is special enough to break the odds, especially considering he is one of the worst coached QBs in the league to boot?

All you Jackson haters are a joke. The guy has improved, Childress yanked him after two games saying he wasn’t aggressive enough, gee where did he get that idea (“we need a care taker” … I’d say he learned a lesson from the previous year), then he sits. Did he learn his lesson? I think he looked pretty damn good in his return. Lesson learned in my book. Tony Romo got shreaded by the Philly defense. If you want to attack Tavaris go to anyone of 10,000 threads doing just that. Look back at the last twenty years of Vikings QB and TJ has as much or more talent and potential than nearly all of them. Seriously, Jeff George, Jim Mcmhamon, Warren Moon, Salsbury, Wilson, Bollinger, Johnson, Holcombe . . .

This was not intended to be a QB discussion thread, there are thousands of them already. If you want to attack Tavaris go to anyone of 10,000 threads doing just that.

I posted this to place a degree of fault with those that are calling the plays. I will say again regardless of this teams’ QB these coordinators cannot tip their hands to the opposing defenses as they do play after play. This is something that would require millions of dollars, drafts picks, or players and it would make a meaningful difference.

Vikefansd … “start crying if you love him so much” . Dude whats wrong with you.

Are you paying attention? Seriously. Take a look at Tavaris numbers after his return.

QB ratings,
Week 14: 115
Week 15:143.8
Week 16: 135
Week 17: 95

9 touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

Seriously are you paying attention? Do you know what developing a QB means? How can you say he hasn’t improved?

As somewhat curious, is how many of the “Haters” point to Jackson not calling audibles at the line in obvious situations as proof that he isn’t capable. Three seasons ago when ‘Superbowl Winner’ Brad Johnson quarterbacked this team he was unhappy that Childress didn’t allow him to audible; Holcomb didn’t audible, Bollinger didn’t audible, Frerotte never audibled, but T-Jack sucks because he doesn’t audible. Childress’ KAO is fairly rigid and limiting and is, to a degree, responsible for the success of the players on the field.

For all of the criticism due Tavaris Jackson, so much is missed with the pissing so many seem to do.

“All that being said, I would bet $100 that TJ has a worse career than Eric Kramer”.

QB ratings,
Week 14: 115-beat the pittyfil lion
Week 15:143.-beat arizona that that went to sleep
Week 16: 135-lost 2 fumble while in the red zone
Week 17: 95-beat a second team defense and almost lost
Week 18: 45 – lost to the eagle can read defense. def jumping route and can’t see it
That is really good record.
Gus suck i think 15td-13int and have a 8-3 record find way to win when behind. Let me see tjack suck and Gus suck but he win. give me Gus

you make no sense Vikesfand and you are exactly the kind of Vikings fan that pisses me off. TJ throws a pick against a Philly defense and one of the best corners in the game and you think he sucks. That’s a joke, you dismiss TJ last four games where his average was well over 100, and you make no mention of Gus’ 70 something average, nevermind that Gus almost lost to the Lions twice, nevermind that half of 12 interception were just as bad or worse than Gus’ and game came against worse teams and corners. You point to Gus’ record. .. take a look at Jacksons’ record last year.

Vikesfansd go back to the Packer website and quit posting here as if you’re a Vikings. And if you’re a fan stop and formulate an intelligent thought and quit posting non sense.

At no point did I say that int was the coaches fault. It was a bad read, every QB in the history of football has made bad reads and bad throws (your beloved Gus had 12 of them)

I think if you earn to read vikesfand you will see what I said was regardless of our QB we are doing our offense no favors by so obviously tipping our hat to the defenses. That was the point.

Seriously vikesfand, stop collect yourself, and think of something intelligent to say or stop talking.