Booty Released.
by Manimal on Oct 14, 2009 10:27 AM CDT
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John David Booty has been released from the Vikings' practice squad.
From Access Vikings:
The Vikings released quarterback John David Booty from their practice squad today and signed offensive tackle Clint Oldenburg. The move was announced on the Vikings website.
Oldenburg played college football at Colorado State and was drafted by the New England Patriots in 2007. He’s also played for the New York Jets and St. Louis Rams and most recently was on the Denver Broncos roster.
The move comes as a bit of a surprise given that the Vikings had gotten Booty through to their practice squad after releasing him in the final roster cuts. Booty was a fifth-round pick of the Vikings in 2008 out of Southern Cal and spent last season as the third quarterback.
However, the addition of Brett Favre in August gave the Vikings four quarterbacks and meant there was no room for Booty on the 53-man roster. Booty was not claimed off waivers after being cut and re-signed with the Vikings.
Vikings coach Brad Childress will address the media at 11:45 this morning so we should find out the Vikings' reasons for making the move at that time.
I guess that experiment was over before it started. Strange move. Hopefully we'll find out more soon. Say goodbye to any Tarvaris Jackson/Sage Rosenfels trade rumors. For now, anyway, the Vikings are down to three quarterbacks.
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For some reason this tells me that Jackson is still the future.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
by mjschaefer on Oct 14, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope not
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 14, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his house is for sale and the 10/20 trade deadline is coming up…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think we would have interest in him again
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 14, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially after we took him down in Week 1. He really didn’t do much. Besides, if we traded for him we’d have to cut somebody, and I doubt they want to do that at this point.
by Frost on Oct 14, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, why would we trade for another overpaid 3rd stringer? We already have that in Sage.
by Bjorno on Oct 15, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
I think t hey’re set this year. TJ is the #2 guy with Sage the QB in waiting. Chilly rolled the dice with locker room content with the Bobby Wade whacking, but Greg Lewis’ catch made up for that.
Whack TJ after he’s been a good soldier and hasn’t rocked the boat to bring in a guy that really doesn’t seem to be an upgrade? And he has to learn the offense on the fly?
I just don’t see it. Childress can be a dope, but not that much of a dope.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by MilCardFan on Oct 14, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady Quinn
I’ll say this about him: I can’t recall another starting QB who completed 60+% of his passes and still had a 60-something rating. That is difficult to do and still have a starting job.
On the other hand, I won’t be surprised if he is a good starting NFL QB someday. I doubt it, but it’s not impossible.
by KC Viking on Oct 15, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this means we’ll be drafting a QB come April.
by Frost on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
with the 32nd pick, the Minnesota Vikings select...
QB Tim Tebow, University of Florida
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 14, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope not
The vikings need a pure passer to complement a solid running game. Tebow is better suited to a wildcat style of offense because of his running capabilities. I am curious on how low of a draft pick we could use to get Quinn. I would guess that if he had a season to learn under Brett he might turn out pretty good. But I haven’t watched enough to see how much of his struggles are because of him or his team.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i only want Quinn if Favre is our QB for next year
Have him learn from Brett like Rodgers did.
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Quinn would see some immediate dividends if he got to be an understudy for about a year and a half.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 14, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad thought
I do agree we would need more of a downfield threat after Brett is gone.
by PurpleJesus on Oct 14, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tebow would be better suited to learn from Favre.
Yes. he plays the spread but Tebow is a smart kid and if you want to go to those butt kissing AFC East Monday night crew boys, they tell us the credentials Parcells looks for in drafting a QB and Timmy fits them all.
Intangibles that Favre had and many other successful QB’s (Stabler and Bradshaw to name a couple) Guys that don’t fit the prototype often bring the most success. Many thought Big Ben would be too big and clumsy for the NFL but the Steelers brass saw different. Most there heralded “prototypes” who are picked high choke.
Tebow can adjust and who better to tutor than Ol’ #4. I would rather have McCoy but Tebow will be the one on the board for us and it isn’t a bad guy to get that late.
I predict Bradford will be the next 1st round QB bust.
by CitrusFLViking on Oct 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
would make a good project. He is smart and he know how to win.
by vikefansd on Oct 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The only problem is we dont have time for any more projects. Thats why we are in this Jacksenfels situation we are in.
by midnightwonder on Oct 14, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
A project is a project. Dont get me wrong I’m hoping the best for Tebow but lets be honest with all the talent he has had on his teams and to come to the NFL as a project (probably playing 2nd or 3rd string). Do you really think he’s going to develope in under 2 yrs. Because thats what we are looking at with the Vikings right now.
by midnightwonder on Oct 15, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
midnightwonder is right. Tebow has many positives but his passing (technique, etc) will still need considerable work to be effective at the NFL level.
by cutlassbob on Oct 15, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacksonville
will select Tebow before the vikings pick. Both McCoy and Tebow will likely be gone by the time the vikings pick.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And the Copycat fad will have surely run its course by next year and beyond. 1/2 of the Copycat’s successes have come from surprising the other team, and these sub packages for “wildcat QBs” (like Pat White) completely destroy the element of surprise. That and the fact that teams have run out of Copycat formations 80% of the time scream, “hey, our opponent is lining up in a gimmick formation and will probably run!”
by KC Viking on Oct 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow not as impressive as...
Colin Kaepernick(6’6, 230, cannon arm). But maybe I’m a little biased seeing him play every week.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Oct 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Why do people care about Quinn? Because he works out a lot? He has NEVER shown a damn thing in an actual NFL game besides his famous last name. No, no, a thousand times no.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
^ this + 1 billion
Quinn hasn’t done anything except be a Notre Dame QB. Why do people continue to sing his praises when he’s been a bust since day one. He couldn’t even beat out Derek Anderson at Cleveland.
What possesses people to think he’ll be good for the Vikings?
by Ragnar on Oct 14, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his last name is famous?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 14, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great-Grandson of Anthony Quinn
Possibly. Maybe. Probably not.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by MilCardFan on Oct 14, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn the Eskimo?
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 15, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
manfred mans earth band
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Oct 16, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow would be alright but we need more of a real qb
I want someone who is a student of the game with a good arm. I could really care less about how he runs around. We have AD, CT and PH for that. I think we need a smart qb more than anything right now. One that can with limited experience drive this team like childress needs it to be driven.. TJack just isn’t bright enough to pull that off.
by Grime on Oct 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JAKE LOCKER
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Oct 14, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000000
but I think he will stay for another year. He has a contract with the Anahiem Angels if he wants to play baseball, so I don’t think he would leave early because of money. Only if he were guaranteed a top 10 pick and I wouldn’t guarantee that at this point.
by vikingfuture8816 on Oct 15, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My best friend and I were discussing this during the rams game.
Our conclusion:
The only QB that the vikings should go after have to have the following characteristics:
1. Smart
2. Tall
3. From a cold weather school (ie not from the south)
4. traditional pocket passer (so definitely no tebow)
5. pro style offense in college (again no tebow – “banzai” is apparently code for 1930’s single wing mega frown)
6. Accurate passer OVER big arm.
Last I checked, Tebow fits under at most 1 of those criteria. Bradford and Mccoy each fit under 2. The vikes should be looking at Locker, Pike, and Reesing. (5 or 6 each) To a lesser extent Hall, Clausen and Thaddeus Lewis (who? :) – 4-5 each)
We are the vikings.......resistance is futile.
by Hoss-Drone on Oct 15, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically, I thought they drafted JDB for all those reasons other than the cold weather one.
by cutlassbob on Oct 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with JDB
is he had it a little too easy at USC lets be honest, he wasn’t really challenged and with all the talent around him they could make up any mistake he had.
by midnightwonder on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont just dismiss strong arm
The arm strength is not the be all end all, but the knock against Jeff George was his weak arm. You don’t need a major canon, but you can’t have a weak arm. As long as it is solid, you are good.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen
will stay in school one more year and in 2011 the patriots will use their two #1 picks to trade up and take him. You heard it here first. I think Tubby Weis and Beeeeeelichick have a little plan hatched for the golden boy to be groomed to replace Tom Brady.
/hypothecized
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Oct 19, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do seem to like Oklahoma products
I just don’t see him being available at our pick and to trade up that far would take a lot!
by PurpleJesus on Oct 14, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury-prone?
I think I heard them saying this weekend that he just fell on his prevoiusly injured shoulder and re-injured it…. his throwing-shoulder.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 19, 2009 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the injuried
We have a chance he might drop down
by vikefansd on Oct 14, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you would never know
AD drop. If AD could drop anything can happen
by vikefansd on Oct 14, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AD dropped
Only because he was a RB with a broken collerbone and the 1st 6 teams needed someone positively starting at whatever position they picked said person for.
by midnightwonder on Oct 14, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A top tier running back dropping six picks...
Is a little more realistic than a QB dropping to the 30’s. Even Aaron Rodgers only made it to, what? The twenties? Early twenties?
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Oct 15, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Teams are more scared of paying for a running back high in the draft anyway considering most have a shelf life of 3-5 yrs. At the QB position you’re paying for the future unless you desperately need that position filled like Lions, Jets and the 49ers did.
And to piggy-back on what Manimal said everybody will be picking before us.
:)
by midnightwonder on Oct 15, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
24th
Flacco: 18th
Brady Quinn: 22nd
Jason Campbell: 25th
Brees, Favre and Cunningham: 2nd round
Schaub, Edwards: 3rd round
David Garrard: 4th round
Brady, Bulger, Hasselbeck: 6th round
Matt Cassell: 7th round
Romo, Warner: undrafted
I’ve doubted Childress’s ability to be a real QB guru since he gave TJ the starting job without any real competition (and especially since he seems to have given up on Tarvaris, but it’s the right thing to do if the talent isn’t really there after all), but if there is ANY grain of truth to that, then he should be able to get more out of someone already listed or a different 1st-3rd round QB in the upcoming draft.
by KC Viking on Oct 15, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking more specifically about first round QBs...
The later round and undrafted guys are a total crapshoot. There’s really no way to know.
Again, I was merely talking about the guys who everyone knows will go in the first round, that’s all.
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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Oct 16, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st round QBs = 50% busts!
At least 29 of 63 1st-round QBs (selected in the top 32 picks) since 1980 are busts. That is a very conservative estimation by which Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Byron Leftwich and Matt Leinart are NOT considered busts. Count a few of those, and it’s quickly a 50% failure rate of drafting a 1st round QB. The bust rate is even higher when looking back over the past 25 years or less, eliminating HOFs like Marino and Elway from the ’83 class of QBs.
Only 13 of 33 (or 13/30 after giving a few recent picks a pass) 2nd-round QBs (selected with picks 33-64) since 1980 are busts, about 40%. And I counted TJ as a success, not as a bust (the criteria were being a starter for at least 1 full year and throwing more TDs than INTs).
Also, not everybody agrees which QBs will be taken in the 1st, as you had suggested. Josh Freeman was projected as a 2nd rounder last year, but he went in the first.
Alex Smith was the consensus best QB of the 2005 class, and I’m glad the Vikings didn’t waste a 1st round pick on him. That list, provided by nfldraftscout.com, omitted Aaron Rodgers altogether and considered Jason Campbell a 2nd rounder, not a 1st. Tarvaris Jackson was considered a 7th round talent, but that didn’t stop the Vikings from trading up to get him at the end of round 2.
JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 darlings of 2007 that everyone knew would go in the 1st round, and they may be no better than the 3rd and 4th or worse QBs of their draft class behind Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards and possibly others eventually.
Flacco was only ranked the 4th best QB in 2008, somewhat because he had mostly worked out of the shotgun (a popular reason to downgrade QBs in scouting reports). Brohm and Henne haven’t really gotten the playing time to compare them yet.
by KC Viking on Oct 16, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are better off getting a couple guys
that meet a threshhold criteria like Hoss mentioned up top later in the draft and actually develop them properly. If you know what you are looking for, your success rate on those picks will be much higher and more adequate for the place they are picked.
Easy bust rule, if the QB in question couldn’t complete a career average of 60% of his passes in college (regardless of offensive system) then he will be a bust 99% of the time. Go do some research and you will find that this almost always holds true.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His criteria prioritized height (no next Drew Brees, even with a high completion %) and a lack of mobility and a pro style offense in college (never mind that the Copycat helped turn a 1-15 team of dead fish into a playoff Dolphin team last year…great evidence that teams can succeed without using identical playbooks and formations). I do agree with accuracy over a big arm, but that is so low on his list, it’s more like an afterthought tiebreaker.
JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith completed over 60% of their passes in college, and they are among the worst QB busts of recent years.
by KC Viking on Oct 16, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 KCV
If possible could you find and list the colleges and their respected records of the QB’s on your list. I’m curious but I think alot of the better QBs came from “smaller or non-BCS schools” I know Tom Brady went to Michigan but he was benched a couple of times there, because he couldn’t get it done.i’m nopt sure about some of the others
What do you think?
by midnightwonder on Oct 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may go here and query by round, year, selection#, and even by college if you want. You may also type in the name of any given player you care to research in the upper right and sometimes find their college stats at the bottom of the player’s page.
I don’t think that QBs’ W-L records mean very much at all. See also: Archie Manning and Zack Greinke.
by KC Viking on Oct 16, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible now
The last couple years when the Vikes needed a solid QB, no team in the NFL was willing to trade a good QB in any way, shape, or form, to us. To others, but not to the Vikings. I read more than one assessment by other NFL coaches that all we needed was a good QB and then, coincidentally, there’s suddenly nothing available for us.
Now that we have Favre in place, I suspect the concern may be moderated and we may have an easier time trading for a decent QB, or trading for a higher draft pick so that we can have a shot that way.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 16, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's okay.
Booty is ass.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Oct 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy.
It’ll be interesting to see if Jimmy Clausen enters the draft or returns for his senior year. I know…Notre Dame, but he’s racking up some big time numbers. Add him into the mix and I see the first round flooded with QB’s. Someone will fall to us and I think we scoop him up if not trade up to get our man.
by Hagar the Horrible on Oct 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quinn and Tebow
A simple “no” vote from me on Brady Quinn. If he had played college ball at Average State U instead of Notre Shame no one would even still be talking about him. (Yeah, I friggin’ hate Notre Dame.) He has shown nothing in Cleveland, and I see no reason to think he will develop into a good NFL QB. Quinn is the sort of guy you pick up on waivers, or maybe for a late-round draft pick—no more than that.
As for Tebow, he needs to work on his passing mechanics in a big way to cut it as a full-time starting QB in the NFL. I’m skeptical on the idea of Tebow as a top-ten pick for any team for just this reason. A lot of draft analysts see him not going until the second round because he is a project at QB.
Tebow is a good enough athlete that he’ll go on the first day of the draft—he just won’t be playing much QB. I would not be averse to the Vikings taking him in the second round, should he still be available. Whoever gets Tebow, expect to see him playing h-back/tight end/wildcat-gimmick QB, as opposed to being an every down QB.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 15, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
could be used like Pat White this year. Beyond that he is a project.
by cutlassbob on Oct 15, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T-Jack's Contract Status?
Has Tarvaris Jackson’s contract status changed? The last I heard, he was still going to be a restricted free agent after this season, meaning he may not be around to take over from Favre.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 15, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tjoke is gone
i think chilly trying to get the best deal. That why he is playing mop up. and they are passing on mop up. to show case his good point.
by vikefansd on Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw.
Even if he does good during mop up time, he is not going to garner much on the open market.
And the reason we are using him in mop up is because we have a 40 year old QB who we are trying to preserve, NOT because we want to increase his trade value. If that were the case, he wouldn’t be handing the ball off 9 out of 10 times.
by Bjorno on Oct 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mop up time we run the ball not pass
The clock is our friend in mop up time. We are passing for a reason. Read in between the line.
by vikefansd on Oct 17, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he trade bait as the #2 QB?? I can’t decide if the Vikings are trying to get him some exposure for a trade or if he truly has earned the #2 spot.
by cutlassbob on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will cost us a lot to get a first round quarterback
Bradford and McCoy will probably go in the top 5 of this years draft. There are others though and some might be late 1st or early2nd picks. We need a ten year QB. No projects. No QB trades like Quinn or Jason Campbell. Hope that Brett is good for one more year while we groom someone really good.
The Vikings havn’t drafted a QB #1 since Tommy Kramer in 1977. Thats 32 years of not believing in drafting a QB with your first choice.
I should remind everyone that Head of player personnel Speilman has a horrible history of selecting good QB’s in Miami.
At least we have a lot to talk about after the season and headed toward the draft.
BEAT BALTIMORE!!!!
by lifelongvike on Oct 15, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell
Wow, I think that he would be great in purple!
Also, the Vikings drafted some guy named Daunte Culpepper in the 1st round in 1999.
by KC Viking on Oct 15, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are
joking about Cambell. That guy is horrible and is the biggest reason that the redskins suck.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think that Jason Campbell is a bad QB, then I wonder what you think of Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and Kurt Warner? All 4 are in the top 8 by completion% and are above average by rating. Campbell also led the league with the lowest INT%. High completion % and the lowest INT%…wouldn’t you say that that IS a QB’s job description? To complete as many passes as possible while minimizing turnovers? It doesn’t take a self-proclaimed professor to understand that those are tied for job #1 in any quality QB.
by KC Viking on Oct 16, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
32 Years...
That would also be 32 years of not having a long-term franchise-quality QB. Connection?
The Lions got Stafford and he has some maturing ahead of him, but he’s the foundation of a dynasty if they draft and trade well. Your core player for long-term success is the QB, and getting him when your team sucks and you have a high draft pick is probably the only way to go these days.
The Vikings are past that now, we got AP but no long-term QB solution. It’s going to be tough, solving that one…
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 19, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booty showed us nothing in 2 years
In the 2008 preseason, he was 22 of 41 with 0 TD, 3 INTs, 0 completions of 20+ yards and a rating of 36.9. That’s worse than an incomplete pass every time, and he did that vs. 3rd- and 4th-string defenses mostly comprised of guys who will never see the field in an NFL game.
In the 2009 preseason, the NFL.com stat page has an attitude problem.
In the 2007 preseason, Sage Rosenfels was the top rated QB among qualifiers, beating out Trent Edwards (4th), Aaron Rodgers (5th), Kevin Kolb (6th), and JT O’Sullivan (7th). (Brady Quinn’s 96.5 rating didn’t qualify because he only had 45 attempts in 2007, but he was the top-rated qualifier in 2008. Tarvaris Jackson’s 70.6 rating ranked 66th among all passers in 2007, although his 38 attempts did not qualify him either.) Gus Frerotte was 3rd among qualifiers, but unlike the others, he was not competing for the starting role in StL. Perhaps Sage’s performance could be similarly discounted, but he did manage an 80+ rating over 16 real NFL games since then. Tarvaris Jackson’s 2007 rating was about the same as his preseason, for whatever that’s worth.
Bottom line: Even Frerotte, Quinn, Sage, TJ, and JT showed more promise than John David Booty in the past 2 years.
by KC Viking on Oct 15, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TJack has shown so much more???
TJack shows nothing. Have you actually watched him play? In the preseason you saw Favre, Rosenfels, and Booty drop back in the pocket, find the open receiver, and throw to him. You saw TJack panic, run around like a chicken with it’s head cut off while focusing on one receiver until he came open, and then throw it. It worked for him because he was playing against 2nd & 3rd stringers.
There was no question that Booty had improved over the previous year, and if given the enormous amount of opportunities TJack has been repeatedly given, would improve much more.
TJack is the 2nd coming of Spergon Wynn at best.
by vikes since 68 on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
But you can’t say that JDB has outperformed Tjack in any respect.
Sure, you saw JDB drop back in the pocket, find the open receiver and then throw the ball directly into the hands of a waiting defender. Yea, they were 2nd and 3rd stringers as well. Did I mention he averages sub-55% completion against those 2nd and 3rd stringers?
Nevermind the fact that Tjack is a different type of quarterback than the three you mentioned. Nor the fact that he throws better on the run, nor the fact that he is a pretty decent 2nd string QB who can make some plays if we need him to.
No, you just plain ol’ don’t like the guy. I’ll bet if he comes out after Favre leaves and starts playing like a legitimate starting QB you will still complain about how he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off.
by Bjorno on Oct 16, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a TJ fan, but TJ > JDB
…but TJ has done more than Booty, and JDB was supposed to have several advantages that TJ did not (better college program, an offense close to the Vikings’, greater aptitude to be an NFL QB, better poise or pocket presence or whatever the scouts are calling it), etc.
All I remember from Booty in this preseason was coming in and IMMEDIATELY throwing an INT in his last game. He should have been absolutely dominant vs. 3rd string defenses, but his performance wasn’t even mediocre. He was simply terrible.
by KC Viking on Oct 16, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tjack never had a chance to choke in the only “big” game he played.
When you are not allowed to change the plays at the line, you rely on the Coach/Coordinator to call plays that will put you in the best position to win the game.
Neither Childress nor Bevell adjusted their protection in the second half to compensate for the intense blitzing that Philly did. How can you expect him to even make a first read when he has .5 seconds to get rid of the ball?
Sure, Tjack could have played better in that game. But that is what I expect from a QB who is still learning under center. Did you really expect him to shred the #3 pass defense in the league in a playoff game? I sure as hell didn’t.
He played pretty well in the first half, marching the Vikes down to score a TD right after he got slammed to the turf on that pick six. That looked painful.
by Bjorno on Oct 17, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s scary how everything is turning out.
by iseepurplepeople on Oct 16, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
adam weber
Would adam weber be a good pick in two years?
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Oct 16, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
This kid remind a lots of Favre.
by vikefansd on Oct 17, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Kaepernick in two years
He has the skills of Daunte, with the brain of Favre. Runs like a gazelle and throws like a cannon. Just like Daunte, the only reason he’s not at a bigger school is they were scared off(throws a 95 MPH fastball, been drafted every times his rights have expired in the MLB draft).
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Oct 17, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys
Are not going to make it no matter what…but imo it has a lot to do with the Team they are on…..Talent around them as well as coaching…..often QB’s who are drafted high go to very talent poor teams…who have talent poor coaching, this makes it hard to have any success imo as a young QB in most cases.
by vikefan1969 on Oct 18, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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