Jared Allen: Michael Oher is an Idiot
by Anthony21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:03 PM CDT
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The matchup between Jared Allen and Michael Oher attracted a lot of attention. Of course, there was quite a bit of speculation that Oher would end up in a Vikings uniform, so that added to the intrigue. And whenever a highly-regarded rookie is matched up against one of the league's best defensive ends, you have a nice little storyline.
But if you thought the storyline ended when Steven Hauschka's last-second kick went wide left, you were wrong. Here's what Oher said about Jared right after the game:
"In the second half, I feel like I shut him out," Oher said. "There is nothing really special about him. I think if we played them [in Baltimore], it would make a big difference. The false starts were just mistiming the snap."
Allen offered a calm response yesterday when told about Oher's comments. Today, though, he went off:
"Well that’s just some idiot trying to talk himself up," Allen said. "I beat that dude like a red-headed step child, let’s be honest. If he was so good why did they have to chip me all day? Ask him that. That's just a rookie trying to build his self confidence up. Besides, you lost and your quarterback spent his whole day on the back of his head until the fourth quarter. That guy [Oher] will watch film today and realize. Everybody else in the world saw me abuse him."
Dang. File this one away until the next time the Vikings meet Baltimore. Some other quick notes:
- Brad Childress = Mr. Brightside. You may have noticed Chilly saying something to Adrian Peterson right before Hauschka attempted the field goal. I was wondering what reason he'd possibly have to talk to AD at that moment, but as Kevin Seifert reports, Chilly simply said, "We’re going to win this football game right here." And then the Vikings won. Coincidence? I think not. [NFC North Blog]
- Holy crap, 59-0? And we thought 41-donut was bad. SBNation's fine Patriots and Titans blogs have hometown reaction from this epic butt-kicking. [Pats Pulpit] [Music City Miracles]
- As Gonzo pointed out, the Vikings are now 2.5 games ahead of both Green Bay and Chicago. After all that happened on Sunday, that's what we're left with -- a strong early-season lead. The Packers shut out the Lions yesterday, while the Falcons beat the Bears. [Acme Packing Company] [Windy City Gridiron]
- Antoine Winfield confirmed on KFAN that he was having an MRI this morning after getting knocked out of Sunday's game. He was lobbying to return in the second half of the game, so hopefully that's an indication that the injury isn't too serious. At this point, the most we know is that he has a sprained foot and the time of his return remains undetermined. We'll keep you posted. [Vikings.com]
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Let me just say.....
I freaking LOVE Jared Allen. Just the guy this team needs.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have"
Thomas Jefferson
by RileysCannibalJct on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oher is just jealous that we didnt pick him
i much rather have Percy and Loadholt!
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On to something more important:
How is Percy and Winfield? Anyone heard? Those two would be HUGE losses for our team.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 19, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i bet Winfield is ok, im kinda worried about percy though
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No indication on when Antoine can return, and Doogie just tweeted that Harvin’s shoulder is no worse today than it was at this time last week.
by Anthony21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I guess 'Toine
has a ‘’sprained foot’’. How does one sprain a foot? An ankle…knee..sure…but foot? Huh?
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sprained my foot last year when i was on a rebar job.
the other end of a 40 ft piece of #16 bar (2in. in diameter) was already tied down and a couple guys picked the untied end up to put another piece of rebar underneath it and they dropped it before i told them to and i couldn’t get out of the way….. smashed the ol tootsie pretty good. basically, the way mine went was the ligaments that hold the bones in the top of your foot in place get stretched. just like a sprained ankle. don’t know if thats what happened to him, (same sprain situation) but i can tell you that it hurts like hell if it’s bad enough…. i kept working, but was pretty hobbled for about 3 weeks. also, if he was lobbying to get back in, it probably wasn’t all that bad. i couldn’t imagine WANTING to keep working after doing in, but i felt obligated!
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Oct 19, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok i hope they both play this week
i think that we are going to win against the steelers
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Beat that dude like a red-headed step child"
Is that for real? Did he really say that?
LOL!
by puddnhead on Oct 19, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They had the whole interview video at foxsports.com
by dsludo on Oct 20, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude needs to learn to keep his mouth shut
because one thing i know is jared will have those comments in his head til they plqay again and then he will he really embarass him.did he not see the double and triple teams jared was still popping his qb,one for a clean cut sack unblocked.and the rest of defense’s around the league are gonna here a rookie running his mouth and expose him.
by clinton p on Oct 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Allen’s sack come in the second half? I dunno. Allen was getting in the backfield all day long. He didn’t get many sacks, but he was reaching the QB just a bit too late. For Oher to do that, it’s actually fairly impressive.
But Allen hit the nail on the head. If it was just a one-on-one against Oher, Allen would almost always win that match up. They definitely had to give the rookie some help. Hell, on one play the man didn’t even get a chance to block Allen.
What gets me the most is Oher saying there’s nothing special about him. Pretty sure Allen has the most sacks since 2007. Oher did a good job against him considering the situation, but that doesn’t give him bragging rights. You sure as hell didn’t hear Clifton boasting after he really shut Allen out the first game last year.
by Frost on Oct 19, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone was in the backfield all day long
I was really impressed with Flacco’s poise in the pocket
especially after all the hits he took
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by thewild_viking_twins on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Jared Allen
Guys around the league HATE JA…good thing we love him. He SHOULD have a field day against the Steelers with their questionable O line and Ben’s tendency to hold the ball too long.
by Vikes Fan on Oct 19, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jared Allen.. the man the myth
Actually I was watching the double and triple teams. Actually say Oher, the TE and the Running back blocking him one time and he still got a hand on Flacco right as he threw the ball. Hats off to Flacco for being one step ahead of the sack pretty much all night long. But as the man from ATHF said:
‘Jared Allen is just plain dumb, if he wasn’t so strong and fast and mean and so good at hurting people he would be selling fireworks on the side of the road.’
I’ll take that kind of dumb all day long.
by Grime on Oct 19, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fireworks, huh?
Mr. Allen! Mr. Allen! Can I get a gross of these “Steeler Whizzers”, some “Bear Busters” and some more “Packer-Crackers”? Thanks!!
If you give a man a match he will be warm for a moment. Set him alight
and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
by Mr. Underfoot on Oct 19, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings should learn from that Pats game
The Patriots led the entire time and kept ramming more passing yards down Tennessee’s throat. NE was merciless and had fewer rushing attempts when the norm would be to have more to run down the clock with a lead.
On the defensive side, the Patriots are strong believers in having depth in their secondary, and rookie CB Darius Butler had an INT.
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Oher might be an idiot, but Carl Pederson is a bigger idiot.
I’ve watched every Viking game this year and as a Chief fan, with each play JA makes, I get madder and madder at our ex-GM. You don’t trade the most dominant playmaker on defense (in his prime) for draft picks. Oh well…Vikings have become my unofficial 2nd favourite team this year; they are a very fun team to watch and follow!
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I’m no fan of King Carl either, but do you really think that the Chiefs have been 15 sacks per year away from contending since that trade? I don’t. The idea of that trade was right on for once, with a 1st round and something like 3 3rd round picks. The problem was that the Chiefs blew it by drafting a G to play T when there were actual Ts available and I believe they spent one of those 3rd rounders on TE Brad Cottam, a non-factor, and as if they needed another TE. (Peterson in general seemed to have an affinity for the FB and TE positions and may have overvalued both.)
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Maybe the trade wasn’t as bad as the way the pics were used. Albert will be fine at LT, but all 3 3rds they had in that draft have turned out to be terrible picks.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all 3
Jamaal Charles is a worthwhile RB who may replace Larry Johnson. If Cottam and/or Morgan can really become starters, then that could be 2-3 starters for 1 player.
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor Cottam or Morgan will become starters, especially Cottam.
I like Jamaal but apparently the coaching staff doesn’t think much of him…he has had fumble issues early on in his career.
But these are debates to be had at another site :)
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 19, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AP has fumbled mor than any other RB since 2007. It’s an Oklahoma thing.
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles went to Texas
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 19, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over Rated!!!
“If Jared Allen weren’t so fast and strong and large and good at hurting people…” No one would even care what he had to say.
by LoveHate on Oct 19, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacks are somewhat overrated
The best sack artists average around 1 per game. A good opponent can easily win despite getting sacked 3-4x/game.
I think TFLs are equally important, and I wish the NFL would start tracking that one.
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
but a sack artist does more than get one sack a game if they are constantly in the pocket messing with the QB’s timing.
by archie2227 on Oct 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And tackling in run support if he’s not one-dimensional. Still, a DE usually gets paid for his sack total more than anything else, even though that is less than half of a starter’s contribution.
by KC Viking on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
A sack a game doesn’t sound like much, but if it stops a drive it makes it a little more significant. Getting the pressure on the QB does make a differance. Errant throws as a result of pressure are big too.
by iowaron on Oct 20, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do what?
Track tackles for loss? Not as an official stat.
by KC Viking on Oct 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
This guy is so entertaining on and off the field. Ha, what a character
by Spartan99 on Oct 19, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jared Allen
“Well that’s just some idiot trying to talk himself up…”
I’d agree with Allen if I hadn’t watched the Vikings defense in the fourth quarter yesterday.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ancient Chinese Secret
“We’re going to win this football game right here.” -Brad Childress, softly to Peterson, with two ticks left
Use the knowledge of your opponent’s weaknesses to undo them.
You know his personality. This kicker remembers that you cut him. He is young and eager for revenge. Call a time out and make him wait. Forty-four yards is a long way, and desire makes it seem further. Know his fear. He will not want to come up short. He will want to be sure to drive the ball. He will run just a little faster. He plants his foot too firmly, and therefore, his leg swings a fraction too far across the football.
As the ancients once said, “It’s a game of inches.”
Yes, Grasshopper, the blind master sees far better than a fool might think.
by Elgar on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chilly the blind master?
I’ll give you the blind part. hehe jk. I really don’t bash Chilly that much, but that was far too easy.
by archie2227 on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, forget Jerry…
“Excellent!”, as Homer Simpson’s boss Mr. Burns would say.
If you are playing the defending world champions next week, it is much wiser to appear feeble than to bash your previous opponent 59-0.
Think of how well Coach Tomlin’s speech will work if he says, “We have to practice hard this week, because the Vikings always use a rabbit’s foot on a brass key chain to win football games.”
by Elgar on Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'snatch this win from my hand, young grasshopper'...
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher could learn something...
from a true young stud O-lineman who actually did shut down Jared Allen one on one for the most part: Joe Thomas, CLE.
Thomas is a guy who quietly goes about his business, neutralizing the games best pass rushers. He was a 1st round draft pick and one of the few bright spots on a struggling Browns team. Somehow I doubt Joe Thomas would ever disrepect his opponents like that. I’d rather have Percy and Loadholt as well.
Beat him like a red headed step-child. I can’t wait til these guys meet again. Should be fun. Allen for DPOY!
Wonder if someone like Ronde Barder would be available for DB depth before the deadline…..
by toke1 on Oct 19, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thomas
Legit stud indeed. The only thing that sucks is that he went to Wisconsin. He’s one of the few taken before Adrian that has a chance to have a career like 28.
He also shut down Jared and still kept his mouth shut. I was rooting for Oher after reading his story but he’s a douche in my book now.
by drew10 on Oct 19, 2009 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bucs say they’re not gonna trade Barber, but, well… we know teams always say that. Would be nice to pry a CB from a team though. Problem would then be what to do though. Winfield and the CB as 1 and 2, or do you keep Griffin as the 2? Sapp would stay nickle back, Frazier thinks he’s the protypical nickle.
I don’t think we’ll be making a trade at all though.
by Frost on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure couldn't hurt
You can never have enough quality DB or Safety’s
by iowaron on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The false starts were mistiming the snaps huh?
So he thinks he’s good enough to block Jared Allen, but he sucks so bad that he can’t keep snap timings down? OK, back to college with you.
Don’t give me the noise excuse, Oher. Everybody’s (yeah, ok, not everybody) been talking about how the Dome wasn’t as loud as normal yesterday. Especially a couple of trolls over here.
by archie2227 on Oct 19, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
So while I don’t think Oher saying “Allen is nothing special” indicates how their matchup went, I do think that Oher actually looked very good against Allen. He gave up only one sack to Allen which is good considering Flacco dropped back to pass 43 times that game. Allen is probably the best DE in the league and he really did do a good job against him. But he definitely didn’t go the right way in talking about his matchup against Allen.
Oh and archie2227, yes his false starts we probably due to nosie.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously noise was a factor
but if he was lining up across from Average NFL DE he wouldn’t have been quite as tight and worried about getting a quick jump. To totally discount Allen for the false starts is about as dumb as totally discounting crowd noise.
My comment was a little tongue in cheek
by archie2227 on Oct 19, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh of course
That was part of it.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ayo guys, greetings from bleedinggreennation, im an eagle fan. Im starting to like the vikings now, not jst cause they are undefeated but because they got AP and hes a beast in Madden for me.
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Oct 19, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring it on Oher...
slain like all the rest.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
by cryhavoc on Oct 19, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+69
very funny!
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 19, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat him like a redheaded step child!
Hey No.69 tell us how you really feel. LMAO
by vikefansd on Oct 20, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll be ok vs Pitt without Percy
but without Winfield I think we’ll get spanked. Pitt has had trouble running the ball effectively, and there’s little reason to believe they’ll run effectively against the vikings until the 4th quarter. I see them coming out throwing, and that means Paymah will be stuck on either Hines Ward or Santonio Holmes, both of which will show us Vikings fans how terrible Paymah really is. Are there any free agent cornerbacks out there that can cover a WR better than Paymah? If there is, sign him up today.
by cdubs on Oct 20, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paymah will likely not be the starter, at least I HOPE he will not be the starter.
Asher Allen may be a rookie, but the kid can play. He can CERTAINLY play better than Karl “I play on special teams” Paymah. I would take Allen against someone like Holmes, but a veteran like Ward might give him some problems.
The only reason Allen didn’t play last week was because he was inactive.
I hope.
by Bjorno on Oct 20, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely Benny Sapp will move to the outside and Asher Allen will play in the nickel…though Hussein Abdullah played in the nickel last game.
by cutlassbob on Oct 20, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read on the Strib that Chilly wants to keep Sapp in the Nickel if he can.
I would rather see Allen on the outside than Paymah or Sapp. But then, I don’t know the scheme and how he would fit into it.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure even the rookie...
..Asher Allen can cover better than Payme and he’s already under contract.
by KC612 on Oct 20, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JA
also was strong against the run on Sunday. Oher should go f himself
"We Szekelys have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-Bram Stoker
by NMVike on Oct 20, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MO
Both Ray Rice touchdowns came on Allen’s side of the line. Both because he was thinking sack instead stopping the run. Both times he just gave up instead of bothering to pursue.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-ravens/09000d5d8137e1ab/Ray-Rice-TD
That being said, Allen is better at his job right now than Michael Oher is at his (although Michael Oher is a very good left tackle and he’s our right tackle). We in Baltimore appreciate the fire in our guy the same way you do in yours, the difference is our guy mouthed off after a loss… A distinctly rookie move.
p.s. Our loss would hurt just a little bit less if your crushed the Steelers. Please.
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by The Baltimorons on Oct 21, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure you can blame those runs solely on JA...
I know you want to believe it… it’s on the ‘How to Stop Jared Allen’ thread on your site…
But our LBs missed on both – out of position, tripped up, or missed tackle.
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watched the replays...
Where was the Vikings D? I mean, literally. Where they? Half the time, not even in the camera frame. The other half of the time, they had butter-fingers.
It really looked like they ran out of gas, too tired to play.
Also watched the first 3.5 quarters, and man… those were the Minnesota Vikings come to the dance! We have to fix half a quarter’s problem, I think that’s do-able, this isn’t a case of a total breakdown. Winfield was long gone before things went to crap.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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