Winfield Will Likely Miss Sunday's Game
Dang. Antoine Winfield's still in a walking boot, so seeing much of him in practice seems like a long shot. Access Vikings draws the logical conclusion: Count him out for Sunday. Sean Jensen adds that there isn't much optimism in the locker room about Winfield's status. Of course, no official word has been given yet, but everything is pointing toward him missing this game.
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well this sucks
i hope benny sapp starts in his place and Asher allen gets the nickel
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I guess the Vikings Offense is going to have to win the game. I’m not super confident in a win, yet Favre and Peterson may pull it off, let’s hope so!
by solafide on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
detroits secondary is much worse and they almost tied the game
i say he will still can win this game
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
W/O Troy Polamalu
Ben still put up great numbers against their secondary.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pola impacts the Steelers passing game??
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lions defense almost tied up the score?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop being non-sequitor.
are you making 2 different points or relating them?
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
detroits secondary is much worse and they almost tied the game
I was responding to this, which does not make any sense, because Detroit’s secondary did not almost tie up the game, their O did. Ben tore up their secondary.
Our secondary just is no where near the same without high-flying Polamalu.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll re-write his statement as I understand it then...
He is stating that Detroit’s secondary is worse than Minnesota’s and yet they stayed competitive with the Steelers – and almost tied the score at one point.
Are you saying that Detroit would not have been that close with Pola in?
We’ve had lots of ‘good numbers’ put up against our D this year and we are 6-0…
I BELIEVE...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly what I am saying
Take your best player off your defense. Do you think you win all 6 of those games in the exact fashion? Probably not.
Troy Polamalu allows LeBeau to take extreme risks with Troy in the game because he can cover so much ground with an instinct unmatched by any SS in the league.
Look at the Titans game, when he was 100% healthy. 6 tackles, 2 pass deflections, a tackle for a loss, and a god-like pick in 1 quarter of work. He makes our defense a lot better.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just realized I was a bit redundant in that one sentence. “Troy Polamalu allows Lebeau to take extreme risks because…”
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Bears game, Our Ravens game...
DB difference makers out for ~1/2 of the game.
We found a way to win… you lost to the Bears.
We may feel it this week if Winfield doesn’t play…
But the D Coordinator, knowing his playmaker is out, should replan/restack the game calling.
We still think our D is better than Detroit’s or Chicago’s without Winfield and we match up well with the Steeler’s. This will be a good game and a good test for both teams.
GO VIKES!
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy was out the entire game against the Bears…so the comparison does not really make sense.
If Troy was in, that last drive does not happen, and we win the game.
Not to add, Tone had a wrist injury in that game and dropped around 4 passes.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy was out all of the bears game and 3/4 of the TEN game. I’m just providing the facts. I’m not a Troy apologist, and I’m not convinced we would have won anyhow..
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he got hurt in the Bear's game? No?
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, crap.
then I retract.
I BELIEVE...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We found a way to win… you lost to the Bears.
Your quote still holds true.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have...
but I thought I had a good case there.
It will still be an excellent game!
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
we lost in the end to a bears offense that was nonexistent the whole game.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we know what that looks like!
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
non-existant offenses that come alive in the late quarter...
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
I see. well, my point was that polamalu would have made a difference at that point. in fact, i realy do believe he’s what ketp close games away from other teams.
he’s a bit rusty. at least he was in the bronws game. he had an int but also allowed a TD that he wouldnt have allowed otherwise. he turned the wrong way…i rarely see that. it was a play action but he should have known to turn the other way without turning around. first game jitters…he’ll be good come vikings unless his knee injury flares up…i really hope not.
if polamalu has a weekness its biting the play action at the endzone and allowing a TD as a result. its rare…but it happened against the colts 08.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
Our PA has been getting better and there’s not much better at misleading/faking than our #4…
I BELIEVE...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no but they only gave up 28 points
their defense is much worse than ours
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sit Now Play Healthy Later
I would rather him sit now even if it costs us against Pittsburgh. We need him much more through the last half of the season and for the run to the SB than right now.
Hopefully he’s ready for Green Bay, but even if he misses the next two and comes back after the bye…I’ll take that over possibly losing #26 for the rest of the season! His value is not worth rushing him to play. Besides, maybe putting some of these young guys in the fire now will be beneficial late in the year.
by vikingvotary on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kinda like how greg lewis was in? :)
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 21, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing happened to us when we lost Troy
We’d rather sit him now to have him for later in the year.
It might suck now, but you will definitely appreciate it in the long run.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sit em all
Here’s a silly thought. We are most likely going to lose this game. We know it. The analysts know it. The players and coaches probably know it.
But looking forward to the rest of our schedule this is really the hardest test of the whole year. We have a very realistic chance of losing this game and still going like 12-4. That being said, would it be totally insane to just take the loss and sit a bunch of starters? Think about it. Like I said, there isn’t much hope in trying anyways. And doing so greatly increases the odds of injuring another starter or two. Pittsburgh has a deadly defense and they could potentially tear Favre or Peterson in half. So why risk it? Take the loss cause one loss is no big deal and save our starters for the Green Bay game.
Eh? Anybody out there see my point?
by Jayrome007 on Oct 21, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly...
YES. It’s a lousy idea.
The team has a realistic chance of winning this game… and they need to go into Pitt with that belief.
I BELIEVE...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to hear that pre-game speech.
“Guys, we’re going to lose this game. Might as well throw in the towel. All you first-stringers, go get some beer. You second-stringers, go get injured. That’s all.” – Chilly
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they need to go into Pitt with that belief.
… only come out with a L and significant injuries???
I think not.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just want to give you your props. You were right, and I was wrong. Even though they lost, the Vikings had every possibility to win that game and I should have given them more of a chance. Guess my analyzations need some work. But even the pros screw that up too.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 25, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You play to win the game!"
The title says it all.
by Vikes Fan on Oct 22, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, ok...
Not exactly the responses I had hoped for…
I thought my points were all completely logical. You all are arguing against it on the basis of emotion. Think like a robot. How would a computer assess this situation?
by Jayrome007 on Oct 22, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
arguing on the basis of 'emotion'
wth, dude?
We are talking about PROFESSIONAL (PAID!!) Athletes here… certainly NOT robots or computers.
I thought my points were all completely logical.
Yes, for a teenage girl on her period, who is worried she might break a nail…
Time to ‘grow some’. These guys don’t play ‘to not get injured’ or ‘save themselves for the end of the season’.
Every game is winnable and you go out there and give it all you got for ‘60 minutes’.
Have you never played the game? Or were you a kicker??
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only a fan, just like you
All I want are enough wins to get to the Super Bowl (and one more win in the Super Bowl would be nice). Plain and simple. If I was a player, my sentiment would probably be different. But I’m not a player and I’m not pretending to be one. And I’m also not living vicariously through the players. I’m just a fan and I would assume most all fans (of any team, in any sport) can agree that success is only measured by getting to and performing well in the playoffs. Not one silly little game in the middle of the season. As such, I don’t wish to jeapordize any more players in a game (I feel) we will probably lose anyways. Seems logical to me. But then again I am only a 14 year old girl. My neural centers of logic are far from developed.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 22, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are 4 teams to vanquish whenever we meet them...
and this is one of those weeks.
But regardless… I want ‘my’ team to go out and beat their opponent every week.
No games are ‘silly’. Once the regular season is decided, home field advantage wrapped up…
then and only then, would I consider letting our foot off the gas for 1 game…
Every team is beatable – there are really no games ‘we will probably lose’… that’s a ‘losing’ attitude to have and I reject it. We have a good team, maybe great. This week is a good test… on the road, against the defending World Champions, with most of the nation watching…
GO VIKES!!
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On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are really no games ‘we will probably lose’… that’s a ‘losing’ attitude to have and I reject it.
Then you, sir, are a different animal than myself.
For I am a Vikings fan. Cold, brooding, and doubtful till the end. Pessimism is my lifeblood.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you my Dad?
lol
40 years of disappointment here… but I enter each week with the belief that the Vikings can and will win.
It makes the pain of losing that much more ‘special’.
As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, we have a special Norse Bi-Polar disorder…
Yay! we won! but we still suck.
But that said… as fans we can’t really affect the outcome of the game since we are not on the field playing… but (like prayer) I believe the power of our collective enthusiasm and positive, winning thoughts can ‘mysteriously’ impact the result. Call in the prayers if you need to… I BELIEVE!
I BELIEVE...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sing it, brotha' !
I don’t know if I believe what you say about collective conscious, but I really do want to.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch, that’s a terrible idea. Why do that? You’re basically telling everyone on the team that “Hey, we’re the underdogs. Might as well just pack it in.” and not even give a fighting chance. If teams would do this, the Patriots would’ve won the SB.
by Frost on Oct 22, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
17 points? Ah ha ha, ha ha. Okay.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary thought on coaching
The Steeler’s hav Tomlin, who I promise you will dissect our defense. It was HIS afterall. We have Chilly, who will pray that Brett makes the right audible out of his gutless call enough times to hit a few deep balls. Uh oh.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 21, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this serious?
We have Chilly, who will pray that Brett makes the right audible out of his gutless call enough times to hit a few deep balls.
Right, so far Chilly is doing terrible. If only we could have a better record after 6 games.
by Figgs on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was in jest.
Just making fun of the fact Brett audibles a few times a game itno big plays. Trust me, i’m totally happy with Chill dog right now.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 21, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the name Chill dog
I may start using it.
by Figgs on Oct 21, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Tomlin was your defensive coordinator in ’06. Do you really think he knows enough about your D to have a tangible impact on the game?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 21, 2009 3:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I know, so it should have much of an impact
I am just making fun of the fact that we usually get outcoached. Although this year has been a pleasant surprise. I like Chilldog..
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 21, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Chili dog.
Chili dogs only bark at night.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 21, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Winfield is not going to play
I’m looking forward to seeing Asher Allen and what he brings to the table.
by Figgs on Oct 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me Too
I had mentioned elsewhere on the site after the game Sunday the likelihood/necessity of activating Allen, as well as exploring bringing in some new blood…Appears Vikes are doing both….Long term is OK….
Passing yards given up (secondary) has been an area of concern for me this year in our games and as the stats bear out….Also time now to get deeper in this position…is still early in the year…
Allen and whoever else we can get that is decent will have time to play/peak prior to playoffs when it will REALLY count….Not having Winfield may turn out long term to be a blessing…Just trying to put the best face on this…
I am sure the D is seriously thinking about this latest bit of news even more than we are….I am confident though that they will reconstitute and execute! SKOL!
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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you say shoot out!
A reason I’d still be confident as a Vikings fan is I like how your front 4 matches up againts Pittsburg’s O-Line. I could play Cornerback and you’ll be fine with Roethlisburger on his ass all day.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Because they are going to sack him every single time he drops back…
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooo
But putting constant pressure on him won’t give the recievers time to get downfield which makes it easier on the corners.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever watched Roethlisberger play football?
He still makes plays under pressure, especially when we need them. Not to add the line is ten fold better this year. Anyway, the majority of Ben’s sacks this year have come from him holding onto the ball to extend the play and not because of OL breakdown.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
you saw what a Jeff Garcia ‘’crazy legs’’ did to us in Tampa last year. We’d get there and ready to eat his face, then “Poof!” Gone for a 10 yard run or 3 more seconds to make a stupid pass. Big Ben will be ok.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 21, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he still called Big Ben?
I figure Fat Ben would be a little more appropriate these days.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs fan?
Fat Ben will see your bad secondary in week 11.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
Not looking forward to that one. Sigh.
We actually have a decent young secondary, but no semblance of a pass rush and its hard to cover a reciver for 16 seconds while the QB stands in the pocket “doing his taxes”.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he is looking pretty chubby.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is looking forward to the workout. How many calories do you lose marching 80 yards down the field? Multiply that by 5…Ben should lose a good bit of weight that game.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, how many calories do you lose dragging a 300 pound man around the backfield? Multiply that by 30 or so times.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fat ben?
really? lol…i havnt heard that, he’s really strong and big. hence big ben. hes not slow either…he’s gotten a first down or a touchdown with his legs in every game this year…so its not like he’s a sitting duck.
i’ve seen him shed blockers constantly. he may get sacked anyway, or not make the pass…but he sheds blockers CONSTANTLY…so uhh yea.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JA and posse "Action Time" baby!
Yes think they may be a bit motivated (understatement?) to sack Big Ben a few times, and hurry his behind EVERY play – through the end of the 4th QTR too!
This will certainly be a test…oh yes, why not away, against Steelers, and outdoor stadium to boot…make this a REAL test!
Shoot maybe…I smell 2 INT for us, as well as one fumble recovery, and – as much as I hate to say, maybe one INT for Steelers…Running game? AD will get over 100 yards again too…
Farvre’s outstanding TD/INT ratio is sooooo good to now….no issue (hopefully) if we have to eat an INT (obviously I would be MUCH happier if one did not happen)…w AD and CT we will more than compensate….
Will be a super game….Can hardly wait!
SKOL!
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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a MN Pessimist
but I think that despite the announcers who gushed over how Allen plays the run and rushes the QB, he really doesn’t. Running underneath him is almost always a great option and with the Steelers seemingly promoting their better RB (Mendenhall) this could spell trouble for our D if we settle into nickle/dime packages too often (unless Sapp & Allen start tackling like Winfield).
by zebano on Oct 22, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good thing is…we really don’t like to run inside stuff to the left, and when we do I don’t believe we’re very good at it. We do better running right, so there’s some positive.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at running game
I dont mind the trash talking….it makes up for a boring day. I dont see 100 yards from one player. maybe both AP and backup add up to 100+…but i doubt it.
Also, we should have more sacks but most of the guys we play are mobile. how mobile is favre? can he move a lot? dunno.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure there will be some sacks for Steelers....
(1) Not sure it will be a game changer though for the Steelers…
Personally I like the fact that Favre is willing to go down or get taken down rather than gun slinging as his reputation has been….I have not seen much of that attitude/play to date…He is playing smart football into his strengths and those around him, and compensating for his age/old bones (I can relate LOL, no spring chicken here either, smart to work smart!)…
(2) On running game, you are predicting a total of 100 yds for AD and CT/Harvin together….
Hmmmmmm….If that happens, will be a field day for Favrin (Favre to Harvon), Rice (again), and Shank Redemption Show…Can’t have one without affecting the other…do you stop our run or stop #4 and crew….I refer to this as our poison…
Our poison comes from many directions this year….remember last year when we did not have a QB that could close a game, or comeback if required to get that W? We have that ability this year, and it has boosted the entire team to a new level…
NOTE: As with every team, we DO still have “issues” to address…Being done on a week to week basis and as we go/grow, will only make us a more solid team…The W last Sunday was a wake up call (Could easily have been an L for us)…and the Vikings will be VERY focused….
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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 21, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...no doubt
im sure they will be focused, lol…its an away game against the most hostile crowd in the nfl(outside of domes) against the superbowl winners. i can honestly say that every team including the lions have brought their A game against us this year. sadly we havnt. maybe we’ll peak late(good thing).
anyway, the thing is that with polamalu back we can do things we normally cant. and it goes long ways. people think TP is just another player. he’s not. people think, well a good D can do well or just as well w/o just one player. we can’t. Our entire D was designed around TP. not because we need him and only him to succeed, but because with him it transcends our defense above all others(see last year, and I dont mean that to be an ass…)
what TP does is allow timmons to blitz instead of cover. what TP does is allow farrior to function in the middle less and blitz more. What TP does is allow corners to blitz more. What TP does is allow the outside linebackers stunt inside instead of covering the edge. It goes on. He’ll be a big difference if he plays at his top level. thats a big if. even if he plays he may play less than 100%. A less than 100% TP is not TP. less than 100% and he’s a regular pro bowler. TP is God to the STeelers. you can see why we were so upset when he went down. It was like when michael jackson died. All of Pittsburgh stopped.
In any case, I did say that it was a big iff that over 100 would be had. I really believe you guys get max 70 yards. maybe a huge gain on one play and then small stuff and thats it.
I’m more worried about favre shredding our #2 corner. wait our #3 corner. yea thats it. those to guys need help. who knows, maybe we’ll be fine in our secondary.
I really do think our offense will take you to task. Our tight end is the best in the business. second best if you believe in stats(pshhaww who follows stats anyway???) . From what I understand vikes have issues at covering tight ends. thats good news for us. it does two things: makes it easier for us to pass to our tight end for easy first downs and helps negate a fast pass rush by allen and co. it also forces more coverage by lbs and safeties on him. may open for the big play.
my biggest worry is becoming too onesided and not being able to run at all. this is very possible. our Oline has real issues with 4-3 teams. I’m not sure we can handle the front 4 yet. As well, I’m concerned about turn overs. Steelers are at the bottom on turn over differential. we’ve given up the ball 14 times this year. or is it 16?
I’m more concerned about stupid special teams returns. how good are your return men? anything like the broncos?
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got great hair, too...
We do make TE’s look good – but we did keep Heap from killing us for most of the game last week.
Improvement? maybe.
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Heap is only good in name. he’s overrated. still a threat as a Touchdown maker but thast only because of his matchup size. i mean he’s a big guy going against tiny corners mostly. but in reality he’s overrated at this point. he doesnt have the blocking skills of the better players and the pass catching skills are wanting-he’s slower, weaker technique etc.
Heap and Miller are at two differnet levels, my rankings…
1Gates
2Gonzalez
3Clark
4Witten
5Miller.
Heap is probably below the top 10.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your #1 and #2 are mixed up
Tony Gonzalez >>>>>>>>>>>>> Antonio Gates.
Week 7 Prediction:
Kansas City Chiefs 77 - San Diego Chargers 2
by craig in calgary on Oct 21, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Return Men
Please turn back now if you really like sleeping at night.
The bad news for Steelers fans is that the Vikings return men are all very good. The good news is that two of them (Harvin and Renaud) are both dinged up. This leaves you to worry about Jaymar Johnson (from whom one should not take an eye for one split second), Asher Allen (whom no one has seen as yet in the NFL since the Vikes are so deep in returners), and Bernard Berrian, whom I assure you the Arizona Cardinals were not too fond of seeing do this punt return in the desert last season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXihw_bNHFo
In other words, I even suspect the VIkings have been slacking off on punt returns because they want Favre on the field to give the defense a wind and gatorade break.
by Elgar on Oct 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite frankly I think there are a ton of good return men in the NFL and a few great ones (Cribbs and Hester a few years ago). Most good returns are more a function of great blocking and that is why the Vikings are so much better this year than in previous years, they’re better coached and not drawing illegal block in the back/holding calls.
by zebano on Oct 22, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better 1000% over last year
STs were a fiasco week in and week out last year seemed….
This year has actually been a pleasure to watch them in action…on kickoffs and punt returns, we have been getting decent or more than decent field positions, while when we have punted field positions have ended up deep for opponents much of the time…
The players mentioned already are threats for sure….and Harvin if he breaks is always a threat to go….all….the….way….Longest was what 103 yards think (maybe 101, not sure)…
I understand now why TP is so important to the Steelers, thx for that in depth explanation….Hope he is at 80 to 90 % for you by Sunday….sounds like that is enough for us LOL….
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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 21, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats the thing…most people just dont realize how the steelers defense plays. its designed around dick lebeau. he likes to do crazy blitzes that require elite players. hence why we gave up so many picks for TP in the draft. People think steelers have a mediocre secondary beacuse of the ‘dropoff’ when TP got injured. thing is, its the entire SCHEME that hat to be rejiggered as a result of his loss. so we had corners and coverage players doing things they normall dont, picking up areas they normally dont. its not that they cant play this wya…its just that they dont practice for it.
for example, Ike taylor is easily a top 5(at worst top 10) corner. thing is, he likes to play soft and covers the deep end. the steelers also play hybrid cover 2 for the most part beacuse of their blitz scheme(something tomlin brought in). So the flats and the middle are usually exposed if not for TP. when he’s out, its easier to pass in the middle because Ike and the other safety have to respect the deep pass.
you will almost never see a deep pass against the steelers be succesful. the only times I see it happen are when its a short pass for a long run(colts 08) or a stupid and uncalled for pass interference penalty-browns/chargers games. Its irritating but true.
This way, the steelers allow the dink and dunknig that takes place so often against them. with TP in its almost impossible to consistenttly get it done when there’s a confusing blitz taking place-my most memorable blitz was the first superbowl when TP lined up at NOSE TACKLE…talk about genius
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
this was during hte first superbowl RUN against the Colts.
by surag238 on Oct 21, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team Game
maybe a smarter GM would manage his team around all the players. Any player on the field is one play from ending his season or even his career. This is why the Vikings have three quarterbacks. Granted one is probably better than the other two, yet #2 and #3 might surprise if given the opportunity.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably? I didn’t want B.F. to come to MN, but there is no doubt at all that he is much much better than TJax or Rosencopter.
by zebano on Oct 22, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre in Purple
Ditto…I hated Favre..but I have been converted. I think he was mistreated in Green Bay and wanted to get away from TT for years. I hated Randy Moss in 95 too. He smoked my Montana Grizzlies like a piece of Alaskan Salmon. But I was sure glad we drafted him. He got a punk attitude and I was glad to see him go, regardless of his talent. Point is Favre could get hurt. His odds of missing time are pretty slim. AD was very close to getting his leg broke last week. He ended up with what sounds like a mild sprain, but that was a near freak play that could end someones career. Could happen to Favre or it could happen to Rogers or Cutler. Who do they have for a 2nd stringer?
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
opps
Moss smoked us in 96…we won the championship in 95 at Marshall…they added Moss and smoked us with two guys named Chad Pennington and Randy Moss.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea we have a dumb GM
you’re right…I mean, I’d rather not have two superbowls with a ‘smarter’ GM..hell I’d rather not have made 6 AFC championship appearnces in the past 12 years as opposed to how many by the vikings?
I think you put your foot in the mouth there….smarter GM? lol. Because you guys historically draft excellent QBs too right? Ohhh tarvaris jackson. where are’t thou?
by surag238 on Oct 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you count how many Viking QBs
and Coordinators have gone on to do very well somewhere else, and get back to me.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why dont you count how many superbowls you have
and then get back to me on that…last I checked thats the only thing that matters for a GM
Steelers: 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 2005, 2008-superbowl wins.
interesting.
oh and the scheming for defense falls under the hands of the defensive coordinator not the GM…and I’ll take Dick Lebeau over anyone…ever.
and thanks for giving us Mike Tomlin ;)
by surag238 on Oct 22, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
0 :(
hopefully 1 this year :)
Vikings 4 the superbowl
by RaysOfHope on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...i hope to see u guys at hte superbowl
everytime we go to the superbowl people claim we play ‘lesser tier’ teams…first the seahawks then the cardinals. I disagree, but whatever. at least if we play the vikings or the saints(and we go to the superbowl) then we wont have to deal with that nonsense…both are elite teams this year.
by surag238 on Oct 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope to see the Steelers in the SB too...
beating them twice in one year would be extra sweet.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin was one
your getting started…PAST ownership let alot of great QB’s and Coaches move on…again I emphasis….PAST OWNERSHIP….it takes time to right a sinking ship and that is exactly what Zigi will do.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 22, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surag someone alluded to it, but that Tomlin guys sure seems okay.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better watch out
for the Farve to Rice interior post then. I swear that thing is good for 20 yards every time.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 22, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ike Taylor will see about that. He is a lot better than those terrible CBs for Baltimore.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
101!
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 21, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
09 Vikings
Yeah but you aint played the 09 Vikings….Yet. Good luck with that.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 21, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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