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Schwarzenegger's Call to Action for Vikings Fans

The one-sentence summary of this storyline: Billionaire wants to build a football stadium in Los Angeles with private money, California state legislature exempts the project from environmental laws, and Ahnold signs the bill on Thursday which has opened the way for this project to actually happen. In his statement, the Governator issued what should be considered a call to action for anyone who cares about the future of the Vikings in Minnesota:

"The team doesn’t have to necessarily come from California. It could come from someplace else," Schwarzenegger told reporters. "I don’t think anyone right now has in mind there to take a team and steal it from some California city."

I've said before that I don't think a move to Los Angeles is a likely scenario for the Vikings. There are other teams that could quite reasonably end up becoming the occupants for this stadium. But if the occupant of this new stadium is going to come from outside of California, it's plain to see that the Vikings are on the shortlist of possible teams.

Even if we don't consider this new stadium and Ahnold's statement to be a serious threat to the Vikings' future in Minnesota, this must provide a call to action. If Minnesota can decide in 2008 to raise roughly $275 million a year for the arts and outdoors, it can contribute to funding a stadium for a team that is fundamental to the state's identity.

My hope is that the Los Angeles project makes the possibility of the Vikings leaving Minnesota a much more real scenario for people who have been naive about the suitability of the Metrodome and the need to reach a resolution on a new stadium. It's time to stop insulting the role of the Vikings in Minnesota by refusing to take their need for a new stadium seriously, and it's time to make sure the team permanently remains in the state.

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Article is mis-titled

It should read "Schwarzenegger’s Call to Action for Minnesota Legislators’, because it’s not the fans that are oblivious to this latest development.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Who’s gonna make ‘em do it? That’s the question in my mind.

by Anthony21 on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody understand politics better than I?

I have been very confused regarding my personal responsibility on this issue. I am clearly in favor of building the stadium and I would personally do almost anything to make it happen. But does anyone know how the politic system works with things like these? I’ve contacted my legislator more than once, but does it really even matter? Do they listen to our voices or is there something else I should be doing? As I said, I want to be active and involved but I dont have the political experience to know what I should do. Any activists out there that can direct the actions of myself and others like me?

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from the Vikings website...

How You Can Help

The Vikings need your help as the discussion about a new Vikings stadium in Downtown East Minneapolis moves forward with state and local leaders. Here’s how you can help:

    * Join Minnesota Momentum, the grassroots coalition of stadium supporters.
    * Contact your elected officials and encourage them to support this stadium solution.

Link to Minnesota Momentum >>> LINK

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, I've done that

Is that all? It just doesn’t feel very active. So I sign some petition or join some internet group. Why would politicians be threatened by that? Is there anything else more “direct” I do? Does somebody need a figurative brick through a window?

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

get your elected representative(s) on virtual 'speed dial'.

email every article, photo, opinion, and stat you can get your hands on and inundate them with reasons to support a new stadium. Ask for a response to each and every email – get your friends and family to do the same. Let them understand that your vote in the next election is a single issue vote… a Vikings Stadium.

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps...

a permanent post on this website to discuss the Vikings stadium issue and INVITE your elected leaders to join and discuss options or just weigh in on the issue.
Make sure they understand they can be anonymous here.

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call
Let them understand that your vote in the next election is a single issue vote… a Vikings Stadium.

I think thats the key we need to make very clear in our messages.

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You snooze, you lose...

And if this article doesn’t get Minnesotan legislators attention, they should consider this: I have heard the reaction to it by several of my fellow Californians that it would be foolish to move a California NFL team into LA.

They are asking: Why not take some other state’s team or start a new franchise out here so that a net increase in business will be acheived which would benefit California as a whole with more jobs?

Some people apparently actually understand the difference between expenses and investments. It won’t be lost on them which team is the best team that might become available for acquisition sometime soon.

by Elgar on Oct 23, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I approve this message

Finally!…..A real NFL stadium being built in the greatest city ever. I DO NOT want the Vikings to relocate. I want them to stay in Minny. I would prefer the Chargers leave San Diego.

Skol Vikings!!

by LAviking on Oct 23, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Build or move

It’s time to get back to OUTDOOR football in MN. Green Bay and Chicago have taken the mantle of manly man football in the central. The Vikes were so much fun to watch battling the elements in the Tarkenton and Kapp days. Indoor football is just not fun to watch on tv. Build or move.

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome field advantage

I really do want a new stadium for the Vikes, but I don’t think you should sell short the massive home field advantage we’ve had playing at the dome. Other teams hate coming here. The turf increases our team speed and reaction. And the enclosed environment makes it one of the loudest venues in the country. There are negatives, to be sure, but I think they are outweighed by the posatives. Then again, I’ve never actually seen an outdoor Vikings home game so…

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home advantage.

Most teams can find a place to practice indoors. But the southern and western teams can’t prepare until game time for playing in the cold. The true advantage was watching a bunch of Tampa Bay lineman shivering and sliding around in the cold trying to catch Tark. Seattle’s new stadium proves that an outdoor venue can be just as loud as indoor. Something just never looks right to me with indoor games on tv. I am sure it is more comfortable for the ticket holders but who can afford tickets anymore?

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soldier Field

Being a Vikes fan based in of all places, Chicago, I have only seen road games outside. Loads of times at Soldier Field and twice at Lambeau. In December or September, no matter to me, the Vikes are at a definite disadvantage in those games every time. The footing is terrible and the indoor based team just can’t handle the field. Oh, and it gets very loud in both, but the Chicagoans have the bigger lungs, or at least drink more beer. Nothing like a good snowball fight to liven things up. And the whole “we’re faster on turf” argument just doesn’t wash. As if any athlete wouldn’t be faster indoors. The other team is just as fast.

Put the Purple Parkas on and lets play outside.

by ChicagoVikingFan69 on Oct 23, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, home field in the dome

The Vikings went to four Super Bowls and won one NFL champuionship from 1961-1981 playing outside. They have gone to zero Super Bowls from 1982-this very second.

The true home field advantage the Vikings had was the outdoor weather.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Oct 23, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget all the jobs and crap the stadium produces whatever thats not gonna convince people the stadium just needs to get built.

"If at first you don't succeed - Skydiving isn't for you"

by Zoxide on Oct 23, 2009 2:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Relocation?

Why don’t we just move all the NFL teams to NY, California, Texas and Florida? Duh? Minnesota is a large viable market. The State should kick in, but maybe the NFL should help out and make Ole and Lars feel a little bit better about themselves and the money they are spending on da stadium. I understand there was alot of money from the league that help build all the new stadiums. LA has been a flop before….we know what a new stadium would do in Minnesota. At least they could promise to schedule the next available super bowl for the new stadium. Git r done!!!!!!!!!!

by BigSkyViking on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NFL Is a Two Bit Whore!

Cardnials left Chicgo, went to St. Louis, and then to Phoenix.
Raiders left Oakland, went to Los Angles, then to Anahiem, then back to Oakland.
Rams left Los Angles, went to St. Louis.
Oiler left Houston, went to Tennessee and became the Titans.
Colts left Batimore, went to Indianapolis.
Browns left Cleveland, went to Baltimore.

NFL is a Two Bit Whore, who will drop any city, and it’s fans, for the next “Sugar Daddy” willing to spend the “Taxpayers Money” for their "New Plush “Stadium of Pleasure”!

NFL also wants to move a established Football Team to London!

NFL is a Whore, and the Commissoner is it.s Pimp!

Everyone we meet in life give us happiness, some by their arrival, others by their departure!

by Parnelli on Oct 23, 2009 3:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In the NFL's defense, every league does this

So it’s not like their ubiquitous or anything.

by Danwood on Oct 23, 2009 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, agreed. Have you seen the NBA???

They move teams like they’re playing musical chairs. I can’t even keep track of who is where and used to be called what anymore.

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

I went to Ticketmaster the other day and found out they moved the Lakers to Los Angeles or somewhere. Hard to keep track of all this stuff.

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get a clue

It’s called professional sports for a reason. The various leagues are in business, and businesses require making money. Any place that can’t afford to buy something is not a good market and the economy there will dry up drip by drip until the dust blows away.

The original Vikings are no longer in Minnesota either. Don’t go walking around like some runestone cowboy. Wake up those people who claim to represent you in Saint Paul. Apparently they never got the message that you have the power to replace every single one of them with a TV wrestler.

If all you keep of the Vikings are the record books and the uniforms, I suppose that is something, but look at Cleveland. They waited to build their new stadium until after the horse had left the barn. Which team would you rather buy now, the Browns or the Ravens?

Yes, there are problems associated with everything, and you might rightly not like the people illegally selling fake tickets on the street outside the Metrodome, but think for a moment what those same creeps will be doing in your bedroom at night once there are no games left at the dome.

If you want all the jobs to leave for California, then go back to bed. The original Vikings left Minnesota, and their namesakes will too.

by Elgar on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat related question

I’ve been waiting for the right time to post this question thats been buggin me forever.

When a team up and moves, do they take the records and history of the former city with them or do they start anew? For example, if Joe Flacco finishes his career with the most passing yards in Ravens history, does that mean that they are also considering the old Browns history too? Did he beat Bernie Kossar or just Kyle Boller? Or another example: If the Patriots left Boston (which they never would), would the Boston market be able to still claim all the championships or would the new city now suddenly be known as Title Town?

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends

The Cleveland Browns kept all of their records and obviously the team name as well as colors etc. Art Modell (Team Owner) actually disbanded the team and created a new team in Baltimore with the same players. This allowed Cleveland to “resurrect” the Browns.

The North Stars obviously moved to Texas and changed their name but kept the history and records. The Wild started as an expansion team.

This ripped my heart out and I refuse to follow NHL to this day. If the Vikings move, I will disown the NFL.

Norm Green still sucks!

by diok9 on Oct 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Title Town?

The original Title Town is Green Bay. Those AFL guys in Boston don’t do anything original, do they?

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan no matter where they go....

I moved out of MN to Chicago and I could never be a bears fan. If the vikes go to LA, then I guess I’m still a fan of the LA Vikings (name change pending). I’ll never move back to MN for personal reasons, so if MN gets a vikings team back I probaby won’t root for them.

That being said, they should rennovate the metrodome and put a retractable roof above it. That way we can start to use the outdoors to our advantage, and the Metro area can use the facility for all the different events it already hosts.

I know a lot of people probably aren’t thrilled about a rennovated metrodome to go to games from a fans perspective, but let me tell you this: Soldier Field is twice as old at least and they rennovated that stadium and it is very very nice. The seating is great, I had nosebleed for the Vikings-Bears in ‘07 and it was like I was sitting right above the field, best seats I’ve ever had at a football game, including better than front row endzone at the dome. If they re-do the seats and put up a retractable roof, the dome could still bring some thunder.

by cdubs on Oct 23, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good design

Soldier Field was re-built with the fan in mind. I sat in the back row and it was pretty darn good. If you look behind you from there you can see the old bowl seating and realize how well it was designed. You could do it with the dome. But there is no advantage to football with a retractable roof. They would close it for the real Vikings weather.

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't tempt fate!!!

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada and I want to warn the many doubters of Minnesota that if you wait too long to make a move on this you will lose more than just your football team.

Winnipeg in the early 90’s was full of people who said our NHL team was not important enough to throw tax dollars at and that threats of relocating the Jets was the owner trying to hold the local governments up for ransom to build him a new arena to replace a building built in the 1950’s and renovated many times since. Those who were not hockey fans said “Not with my tax dollars!!!”.

In 1995 the owner found a group to sell the team to as he could not get anything done and after many last second attempts, the Jets played their final season in Winnipeg in 1996, relocating in of all places Phoenix AZ. Winnipeg had now lost the one thing that it was known for the most and there was a large void in the community. Sure, we got an IHL team from Minnesota but as successful as the Moose have been here it just isn’t the same.

The irony is the city finally built a new arena which was driven by a new Mayor who was one of the city councilors who stonewalled the Jets getting a new arena. It was like closing the barn doors after the horses had already left. Many in Winnipeg thought the Jets would never leave, and if they did it wasn’t going to matter as they were just highly paid athletes and it won’t matter if they left.

I’ve been to many Vikings games and the atmosphere is amazing…the hotels are full, bars and restaurants are jam packed. On my most recent trip for the Packer game I commented to my friend that I couldn’t believe the number of people walking around Mall of America in jerseys. The Vikings game brought all those people there on a Monday afternoon and the line up in the Vikings store was so long I walked out. Without the Vikings those tourist dollars are gone. True there would be some shoppers from out of town but not the volume we witnessed.

All the tax and revenue that is generated on weekends of Vikings home games can not be ignored. If the Vikings leave that money directly attributed to home games does not get replaced and you will lose an important part of Minnesota’s identity. Yes, Minnesota has lost sports franchises before but I don’t think the Lakers and the North Stars were on the same level as the Vikings when it comes to things identify with Minnesota.

Learn from Winnipeg’s lesson. Get this done before LA robs you of another team.

by boomy44 on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I just wanted to offer you a big thanks for your important perspective. There are many who claim our situation is unique and will not unfold like so many other unfortunate cities that have lost teams. But it is so very vital to make clear that every city thinks that way … until its too late. Action (or at least consideration) must be taken before it comes to that.

by Jayrome007 on Oct 23, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

People in Cleveland went around in the early nineties saying the same kind of things about the Browns trying to get a new stadium back then. They said Art Modell had too much invested in Cleveland to ever leave with the team. He was just bluffing, trying to squeeze some extra dollars out of taxpayers. Clearly those people were dead wrong. Now all they have there are a dog pound, the uniforms, and the record books, which show Cleveland has never even been to a Super Bowl. The record books in Baltimore show that the Ravens won one. Only a loser thinks that was wonderful progress.

by Elgar on Oct 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota Momentum...

Check out this page from MM…
Details some of the newer stadiums and what %/$ was contributed by the public and how/where the funds were raised.
I think Minnesota should offer ~$300M toward the new stadium – use some or all of the sources of funding listed on this page and let the owners and the NFL figure out how to close the gap on the total cost.

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the link would be helpful...

link

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad timing

The pols messed up by waiting too long. Tax revenues are down nationwide. I don’t know if stimulus money would fly here. Of course, California seems to think they can raise it despite their deficits. Maybe some private partners. If they go, they MUST change the name. No Vikes in Cali.

The Chicago White Sox put a big squeeze on twenty years ago for a new stadium. I heard they were backing the moving trucks up when the vote made it through the legislature. Going to St. Petersburg.

Vikes gotta set a date. Play tough.

by Purple State on Oct 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If my Vikes leave

It will probably kill my father outright of a stroke. I would consider commiting Hara Kiri as well.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 23, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My experience with the legislature

 . . . occurred when I was an employee with the Timberwolves and they almost moved to New Orleans. Went over to the capital and sat in on committee meetings where they were supposed to discuss the merits of keeping the team. The subject never came up. It was all dealing with who did or didn’t vote for someone when their pet project came up. It was all bickering over things that were completed unrelated to merits of keeping the Wolves in town or not. It was a complete waste of time. The vote turned on whether someone could get another pol to vote for him/her—they already knew the benefits of having pro basketball in town, but it appeared some would vote against if they didn’t get something in return.

I know that’s how the system works (and it certainly turned me off to it), but it was completely frustrating. Therefore, I think we have to take the case to the media. Put on events that draw attention to it. Get on the front pages, on the TV on all over the internet. I think then you hit the pols where they live. They know the benefits of having the team in town, but they need to think that everyone feels that way—then they will be compelled to vote for it, so they get the most votes for re-election in return. IMO.

Joe O
Minnesota Vikings Examiner
Go Vikes!

by Joe O on Oct 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or at least have a really easy parking lot offsite but well-connected by light rail

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on Oct 23, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They want $1bil for a stadium, and they want me to pay $100 for a cheap seat.

Then I want easy, on-site parking that’s big enough for tailgaters too. :~)

by chaosg on Oct 23, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh, good point on the tailgating.

Plus, when I think about it, I don’t really want to be stuck on a train with a bunch of drunk football fans in various states of happiness depending on the game outcome.

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vikings will get new stadium

The Vikings have just two years left on their Metrodome lease. Minnesota Govenor Tim Pawlenty has remained steadfast that publicly financing a stadium isn’t a priority, but, with Pawlenty not going after another term as governor and the success of the Vikings making it very apparent that fans of Minnesota love their NFL team, there are some in the business and political community that believe the Vikings won’t be the team eventually relocated. However, until a stadium deal is done here, the Vikings will remain one of the top choices to be relocated

by subzero on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Viking fan for life!!

Born and raised in Miami growing up in the late 60s- mid 80s I became a Viking fan. Tarkenton made me a fan, I got a Viking tattoo in 1978. I had to hear it when they lost to Miami in the SB. I have been through the ups and downs and aaalllll the bad calls over the years, The Les Steckle year, the Mike Lynn wipe out that I still believe he was bribed to trade our SB team away since he left the next year. 16 years of rooting against #4 and now having to cheer for him. I have never been to Minny and would still be a fan no matter where the Vikings played. But I would think the city and state would support keeping them. I did like the open stadium better than the dome even though I have to put on a sweater if it dips to 60. I live in Tennessee now and I have seen the Vikes play the Dolphins, the Bucs every year when they were in our div. I went to Cincy the day before Christmas and in Nashville the day after Christmas. I would love to see them play at home surrounded by other Purple jerseys instead of just a few. I will help out my fellow Vike fans, I will email to all legislative offices in the state.
Good luck!! DIE STEELERS DIE!!!

by DeutschlandViking on Oct 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Bears fan living in Minnesota.

It’s my 10th year here, and I have yet to go to a Vikes game, though I’ve seen Twins and Gophers games in the metrodome, so yes I’m familiar with it.

Problem is, the ticket prices are so dang high, it’s difficult to get taxpayers to bite at subsidizing a stadium that we are unlikely ever to get to use ourselves. I mean, for a couple to take 2 teenage kids to a game ends up costing well over a grand! It’s just not going to happen for most people who live here, and that’s why there’s not much support.

Last time the stadium talk really heated up, I think the Vikes made a big mistake in acting like they deserved a new stadium or they’d take their marbles and leave. So tactically it would be a mistake now to set a hard deadline and threaten to go again. They need to sell the idea that it’s an investment for Minnesota, and very importantly, the owners and the NFL need to prove that they will pay a significant amount of the total cost. Then Minnesotans (even non-NFL fans or people way outside the Twin Cities) might swallow a tax hike.

How about a “voluntary tax” in the form of a lotto with cash prizes and Vikes ticket prizes? Minnesota already has Powerball and some state lottos. I think it’d raise a TON of stadium cash, plus people who don’t care about the stadium wouldn’t feel like they were being shaken down for money.

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on Oct 23, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Email Congressmen

I think everyone needs to email their congressmen and tell them we need to get a deal done or we will vote in more competent people.

by Scoty on Oct 24, 2009 6:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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