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Could the Condition of the Heinz Field Turf Play a Role This Sunday?

Oh, goody, finally an opportunity to channel my inner weather nerd AND talk about football at the same time.  It's only taken me three and a half years, but my job and my hobby are finally crossing paths.

Anyway, during my lunch hour today I wandered over to the Weather Underground, one of my personal favorite sources of weather info, to check out what the conditions for the game might look like this weekend.  While Sunday looks to be relatively clear and sunny, the day before is an entirely different story.

As of this moment. . .about 5 PM Central time. . .it's raining in Pittsburgh, and said rain is supposed to persist for much of the day tomorrow as well.  And, as we've all seen in the past, the playing surface at Heinz Field. . .well, it doesn't drain particularly well.

 

Oh, one other factor. . .the University of Pittsburgh football team has a game against South Florida tomorrow as well.  At Heinz Field.  In the aforementioned rain.

There's a very good chance that we could see a bit of a sloppy track on Sunday at the House that Ketchup Built.  Who do you think that favors?

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If the Vikings/Steelers game this Sunday is played on a sloppy track at Heinz Field, who do you think it favors?
Minnesota
395 votes
Pittsburgh
425 votes
It will mess with both teams equally
316 votes
Neither team will really be affected
36 votes

1172 votes | Poll has closed

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I guess I'm a weather nerd too....

That’s a great weather site for NFL games. Just saved it to my favorites.

by dsludo on Oct 23, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm a weather nerd,

but it’s just because if it rains, i don’t have to stay at work!!! just go sit and get paid for two hours and go home!! yippeeeeee!!!!

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Oct 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home-field Advantage

Home-field advantage, in the most literal sense, has long been used in football. “Uglying up” one’s home turf to reduce an opponent’s advantage is often used to give one team an edge. Longer grass and/or mud slow down an opponent’s running backs, for instance.

We Viking fans seem to have forgotten the time-honored practice of manipulating field conditions for some reason…

by Midnight Rambler on Oct 23, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep, yet one more factor....

Think potentially this one will affect both teams equally however, and luck will have a LOT to do with the squibbs, the fumbles, busted tackles we will see on both sides…Will make the game more like some of the games of yesteryear… Adds to the “pucker factor” LOL…

Funny you posted this…quite fitting for me and for this game…Why you ask?Today in mental preparation for Sunday’s game, I watched some of the Joe Kapp and Vikings late 60’s highlights (to include the first SB loss)….THAT was when football was football…

The guys were dirty, played in the cold, Vikings used no heaters on the sidelines in the cold months, hits were hard, few penalties etc. like what we see nowadays, etc. These scenes helped me realize what toughness is required for this game….which took me even further back…

Way back to the days of delivering daily newspapers to Bronko Nagurski (HOFer – remember him?) as a kid…He was a quiet guy who was like a sleeping giant…Bronko lived down the road from me on Rainy Lake where I grew up…A living legend, and was what got me interested in the NFL initially….

Ahhhhhhhh…I like classic struggles and hope this is one…The mud and the mess are all part of that…let’s just hope the luck falls on our side this week…some years are like that….

SKOL!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 23, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about who the conditions favor,

but I had to comment on the name ‘Weather Underground.’ For those of my age, that term has a meaning completely unrelated to the weather. I was actually just a bit surprised to see that someone would choose it for an actual weather related site.

by Migrant lurker on Oct 23, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I hear you

And I’m quite surprised with the name as well. But the information is still pretty good.

Fortunately, it has nothing to do with worthless, spineless pieces of crap running around blowing people up.

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by Gonzo on Oct 23, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep surprised as well, and yep agree with your analysis of THAT weather underground!

What is that saying…Those who forget history are bound to repeat it…something like that…

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 23, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

'that's not the 'weatherman' I knew'...

I was just a kid.

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!! Too funny.

Subtle, but bleeding hilarious.

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on Oct 25, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have to give the Steelers the edge, because it's their playground.

and they’re more conditioned for cold outdoor games. I just hope the bad conditions don’t cause any injury’s.
I’m expecting to see a good old fashioned, smash-mouth style, football game. Lots of run plays, and lots of 3&outs. Final score, 17-14

by chaosg on Oct 23, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On top of the weather

they just recently re-sodded Heinz Field. With this rain, that field is going to be slicker than ketchup on a plastic plate. (sorry). It’s going to be a mess.

Joe O
Minnesota Vikings Examiner
Go Vikes!

by Joe O on Oct 23, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of another game

Cant remember who they were playing, might have been Jets, dont qoute me on that one, but it was a Monday night game in ’07 I think. Same weather then as now and if I remember, it was more of a baseball game with both sides not moving all that well. I think with Heinz screwed up, it really does not favor either team all that much. It could be a snoozer or might be a sliding air ball game as well. We shall see.

"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"

by VikesFaninNM on Oct 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was the Dolphins

and we won, 3-0!! LOL

"My doctor said I'd quit getting nosebleeds if I just kept my finger out of there!"
-Ralph Wiggum

by SteelFever on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

Thats right, so yeah, a baseball score lol

"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"

by VikesFaninNM on Oct 23, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Games like these

Muddy fields go back to old saying..Won in the trenches…Think our Def line should be up to the test !!!

by WVVikings on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vikings do their best on a dry field

Plus they’ve been playing inside for 20 years while at home, and other domed stadiums. A suggy or wet cold field will stop AD’s quick cuts left and right. That will take away his advantage of 1 step, power, and speed. Favre will have a full plate on Sunday. His passing game must be at its best to pull this game off. But I think the Vikings can do it.

I want to see some hustle and seriousness on the Vikings defense this week. Stop the grandstanding until after the game, and the scoreboard shows who was better. Then celebrate all you want.

This will take a team effort. Forty men playing at 100%, for 60 minutes. Nothing less. And coaches, coaching the entire way too win. Not just prevent defense, to sit on a lead.

This is the biggest game so far this year. See we’ll see what these Vikings are really made of “all-talk”, or “real courage”.

by vnbushman on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 totally agree

Joe O
Minnesota Vikings Examiner
Go Vikes!

by Joe O on Oct 23, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure....

that a sloppy field will favor the Steelers against AllDay. I was a linebacker when I used to play ball, and the thing about slick footing, it tends to favor the offense since they have the forward motion and they know where they’re going. In a game with field issues, I like the Vikings power running game against the Steel D.

On the flip side of that, I don’t like the Vikings secondary trying to cover Holmes or Ward while slipping all over the place on defense.

Should be a classic. Can’t wait.

by toke1 on Oct 24, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Weather Underground

is the best weather website on the net IMHO. Been using it for years. The name is unfortunate.

It is too bad the college boys play the day before. I am not worried about the field affecting the outcome. What I do worry about is the increased injury potential due to the numerous divots from the aforementioned college boys. Let us hope we survive this game with just the normal black and blue (and purple) bruises.

by Odin on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that the bad weather

 When the surface is “uglied up” it gives the receiver an advantage over the CB. Definitely in Pittsburgh’s favor considering the CBs that Minnesota will be playing (not Winfield).

If you want to crown em...

by JohnnyTruant on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

any conditions

that allow ap to make cuts while the defense cant sounds good to me

by YanksVikes on Oct 23, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the poll results are surprisingly accurate,

in that it is very hard to predict who will benefit most from a bad field, AND in that it is likely to significantly affect the outcome. But it’s going to affect it unpredictably, like a loose fumble.

Between the conditions, Winfield being out and Polamalu at less than full speed, I think this game becomes nearly impossible to predict.

I am surprisingly benign in regard to the outcome. I would be very happy with a win, but not at all crestfallen if we lose. We’re going to kill the Packers the following week either way.

by Migrant lurker on Oct 24, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Winning every game would be sweet........

            but we know that will not happen. So losing this game would not hurt us much, because it is an A.F.C. opponent. Now don’t get me wrong, I want the vikes to win every game, but I agree with Migrant lurker on this one. If we lose, so be it, lets hope the vikes can keep it competitive, and bounce back the following week to kick some packer ass.

by PurpleCrush on Oct 24, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep much more important game against Packers...

You guys have the right take on this, long term take most healthy view for this game…I believe that an L against the Steelers will not destroy the gelling process for our team…If it does end up in an L, may even be a good thing (worst case scenario and for sure I am going all in for a W)…

This L would push Chilly into doing something about our secondary in case Winfield is injured once again, plus needs to be addressed…..If there is a thing that will kill us later this year/during playoffs (other than losing Favre) this is it…

For tomorrow, I just want to see a smash mouth game….lots of mud and dirty uniforms, hard hits, and good runs by AD/heart-stopping passes by Brett and Ben (more by Brett of course)….AGHHHHHHHHHH!

Against the Packers, definitely need a W….Not only because of the rivalry and joy when we complete a sweep against them in a season, it keeps the Vikes ahead of Bears as well…Think division first, then position for the playoffs, etc. (STEPPED GOALS: (1) Win the Division, (2) NFC #1 seed, (3) NFC Champions, (4) SB W)…

Even at 13-3, we will have a good chance for home field advantage…and THAT is achievable…not easy, there are still some good opponents ahead…NO will have their own Ls to deal with, and I for one am not scared of the Giants this year, they seem beatable…

SKOL!!!!!!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 24, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

              I think this will be a muddy & messy game, mostly defensive in my mind. I see a lot of predictions with high scores, but I don’t think it will turn out that way. I see some turnovers by both teams along with a low score like 10-3 / 14-10 type of game.

by PurpleCrush on Oct 24, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is kind of a dumb question. Playing in the mud or bad coniditions doesn’t favor either team it sucks for both of them and will make things more difficult for both as well no one gets an edge from it. And if someone says well 1 team knows what to expect both teams know what to expect I’m sure players have walked around in mud before they can probably get an idea.

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by Zoxide on Oct 24, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some weather thoughts

I’m seeing a few remarks about how the weather will affect both teams equally but traditionally, if you’ve played any fast-moving sports on a grass field (Soccer, Football…) you’ll know that a wet field helps the offensive players much more for two reasons: 1. They know and perform their actions a split-second before a defender, so the defender has to react quickly but NOW he has to do so on a slippery turf, and 2. Offensive players can rely on their momentum once they’re in a straight path and don’t have to worry about ramping up speed (which also frequently leads to tumbles on slippery surfaces).

Of course both teams will get their chances on offense – so in light of this statistic, I’d take two factors into account (maybe even 3):

1. Who will have Offensive possession longer? That team may very well have an edge in this game. Hard to tell which team it might be though I’d tend to give the nod to the team with a more possession-oriented offense (Minnesota) and the better RBs (Minnesota).

and

2. Who has better statistics for turnovers and takeaway ratios? In this case it’s mostly the Vikings though it is somewhat inconclusive as the Steelers have done well in this regard, too. AND a good chunk of our stats in this regard were benefited by the awful Rams performance.

My 3rd factor is (somewhat obviously) the capabilities of their passing game against our sloppy secondary that will probably be missing Antoine Winfield. :( :( :( In this one, the edge has to go to the Steelers.

I think we SHOULD and COULD win this game but my hunch is that we do not. And like some of the other folks have been saying in here, it IS an AFC team so from my perspective, as much as I want us to win and keep our win streak alive, a loss here wouldn’t necessarily be the end of the world. Though it DOES put a bit more pressure on us to beat the hated Packers (whom we really SHOULD beat even at Lambeau).

One nice benefit of this Steelers game is that it gives us a tough practice game for playing outdoors in a hostile environment the following week. Another thing to factor in for the Lambeau game (not to look too far ahead but…) is that there very well may be fans there who shockingly cheer for the Vikes and Favre, their beloved famous former QB. That could help mitigate some of the crowd’s impact if it’s a large enough percentage. :D

Anyway, enough rambling here – my prediction: Steelers 20-Vikings 17.

by Wytefang on Oct 24, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Advantage?

What a sloppy field does is slow down the game and what I mean by that is it takes away a team’s speed. I like our chances even better now because we can start Sapp and use Allen as the nickel, and both are good tacklers, which is going to be needed in this game. Shainco (spelling?) & Rice should have a good game being big targets and on the flip side so should Miller. Turnovers should only be a factor if a team is deep in their own territory. With the game slowed down I see our pass rush getting to little ben early and often being that his WRs won’t be open that quickly. Chester Taylor finally breaks out in this game. My prediction Vikings 23- Steelers 20.

by nmvikesfan on Oct 25, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shiancoe...

for the record.

I BELIEVE...

On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 25, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, what about Harvin, Berrian, Peterson, and Jared Allen … just for starters? They all rely a bit on speed and good footing too!

Hopefully Favre has some “muscle memory” from all those years in Green Bay, and can take care of the ball. Although his recent record in bad weather is not encouraging (see Chicago, December 2007). But everyone else? I think it actually affects us MORE than them. We are completely unused to it, if nothing else.

by puddnhead on Oct 25, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

p.s. it blows my mind that over 1/3 voted this will FAVOR the Vikings

would some of those 400 votes, other than nmvikesfan and Wytefang, care to try to exp-lain that POV?

by puddnhead on Oct 25, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow a first

I agree with puddn almost 400 idiots

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Oct 25, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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