That was TRIPPING, from a steelers fan. respectfully.
by surag238 on Oct 26, 2009 10:25 AM CDT
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I took the time to post this because of a simliar post by you guys on our forum. hope it clarifies issues and what I consider a bad officiating day for BOTH sides.
I've read Peter Kings commentary. that guy gets almost everything wrong. And rodney harrison is a dirty player. And yes that is tripping. tripping is defined as INTENTIONAL attempt to bring a defensive or offensive player to the ground by getting underneath his knees during a pass play(who does not have the ball or the ball is not yet in play). At the time it happened, the football had not been released. So yes, this is tripping. I dont care what harrison(cheap player) Goose(cheap player) king thing. I'm surprised Dungy didnt know more. Anyway, even if you disagree, that wasnt the only thing that went AGAINST the steelers.
I'm getting annoyed by all the unnecessary whining that the steelers got favorable officiating. check after the jump.
Oh, and I was at the game..AWESOME
First, heath Miller had INCIDENTAL CONTACT. and yes, the route of the DB was thrown off as he did fall down. However, this was PRIOR TO THE TOUCHDOWN PASS. And the official rulebook states:
Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball (this did not happen as neither heath miller nor the db were near the ball) or neither player is looking for the ball.
(b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball(neither were playing the ball).
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players. -even though the DB FALLS DOWN...HE WAS NOT CAPABLE OF GOING NEAR HOLMES AS AT THAT POINT HOLMES WAS OFF COVERAGE. the db was not involved in Holmes pursuit!
Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
Ok, now to the second issue, TRIPPING.... The definition of tripping is if a offensive player attempts to trip a defensive player ON PURPOSE. I was at the game, but I kept hearing afterwards how Goose was against the call. let me first off say that dude was one of the cheapest players on the defensive side. no wonder he sided with the vikings. Anyway...lets see here, yes the tight end did actually INTEND TO GO DOWN. It looks like it was an accident, as if he fell. you watch carefully and you can see his intent was to trip him over. that is not allowed. just because you dont have your foot out(ahem dallas cowboys) doesnt mean its not tripping. That CERTAINLY IS CONSIDERED.
now, contact. there was NO contact. but that is STILL TRIPPING. the INTENT to trip someone constitutes as TRIPPING.
And finally, Kick return. watch carefully for the hold. there was considerable holding during the wedge formation(which is apparantly legal as long as its only 2 players) and there was an obvious block in the back. neither of which were called.
so in the end, this goes both ways.
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are Steelers fans the only ones that continue to hang around after the fact and explain their counterviews of our gripes??
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by TheViking83 on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason
They have to justified the win. Otherwise they could not live with themselve
by vikefansd on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so did i.
Hmm…well seeing as I just read this I made a point to mention it. I dont spend all day checking when you do and dont post. if you dont want someone to comment back on your grips then dont post it on our thread. just post on your own forum. i felt it was only fair. thats all.
again, as i said in another post, these are two equal teams. if we played 10 times the game would have gone 5/5 either side. but it so happens we won this time, this game, and yes…lets move on. just had to throw it out there.
by surag238 on Oct 26, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying
But, you have to realize that people are going to get upset here. You are just adding flames to the fire in this post. Let people say what they want. You aren’t going to change anyone’s opinion with this.
I realize that some people posted something you disagree with on “your board”. I know that might make you upset, and you feel a need to defend yourself, but there can be no positive outcome here.
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by SippyCup on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you've ever played football...
When you cut block, you are taught to cut and then roll through to finish. That’s all he did. It happens on tons of cut blocks every game. You cut, then you roll through. His cut missed, and he rolled.
Tripping is far different. If he cut, the defensive person ran OUTSIDE of him, and he swung his leg out to try and, you know, TRIP him, then it would be a penalty. What the offensive player did was completely legal and kosher – it was not a trip.
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by Manimal on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, like i said it went both ways
fair enough. again, it goes both ways…but like the other poster said. ill drop it. gg.
by surag238 on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cut, then you roll through. His cut missed, and he rolled.
Tripping is far different. If he cut, the defensive person ran OUTSIDE of him, and he swung his leg out to try and, you know, TRIP him, then it would be a penalty. What the offensive player did was completely legal and kosher – it was not a trip.
The only thing was in his roll it appeared he flung both of his legs up in the air. Whether this was part of his roll or whether he intentionally did it, it’s hard for the refs to decipher between the two. I didn’t and don’t necessarily agree with the call, but I can understand why the ref who called it did. But in respect to that I didn’t necessarily agree with a couple of the other calls that went against the Steelers.
But that’s over with and now we move onto the game at Lambeau.
by packallday555 on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking as a Packer fan, I completely agree with you.
Near the end of the roll, the Viking player lifted one leg up a bit, and the defensive player went down. I think the ref saw the leg lift and the subsequent fall and believed the lifted leg was the cause of the fall. It’s pretty obvious one had nothing to do with the other, and as much as I think Chilly is, well, not-so-bright, I think his comment after the game nailed it. It’s the kind of block that happens dozens of times per game without a penalty. The ref blew it. Of course, if the Steelers hadn’t made two huge defensive plays, it wouldn’t have mattered, but I don’t see any way to conclude that the ref didn’t blow the call.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My focus is now Green Bay....
Enough Monday morning QBing…..If the football Gods are willing we will have a chance to answer all of our questions where it counts most….on the field when we play the Steelers again….and that for the SB…
Meanwhile we have the Packers and their swollen heads coming up….We have some redemption coming on Sunday…Vikes will be thirsting for revenge for this week’s loss (and not just Favre, ALL the Vikings)…
Already the trolls are out surfing the ’net and covering that they are running a little scared (understandable)….Already popping up here….can only imagine what Yahoo comment sites are looking like…
SKOL!
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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol @ swollen heads! hahahahaah
Apparently these are the wins it takes to get a swollen head:
GB’s Wins: GB’s losses
Chicago Bengals & Vikings
St. Louis
Detroit
Cleveland
by dsludo on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our wins against the Lions, Browns, and Rams mean just as much as your wins against them
Swollen head much?
by Donald Driver on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We beat the Ravens too.
Oh yea buddy we also beat your team the Pukers. :)
We’ve also scored more points, in terms of QB points ours is better too. Maybe Ted Thompson IS in fact an idiot. So yes you guys do have swollen heads because you think your team is so great. And 1 more thing when in doubt of whos better look at the SCOREBOARD/standings. :)
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who has the best record in the NFL...
for teams having played 7 games this year?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 26, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
No, no Steve Hauschka beat the Ravens.
And who has ever said that our team is so great? Donald Driver simply pointed out that we have beaten 3 of the same teams as you guys.
We’re happy about our win against the Browns because we FINALLY managed to give up no sacks. We gave up 5 sacks against the Lions (whose o-line is worse then the Browns). We had a rookie have his first ever NFL start at LT and he looked great. Our T’s have been a huge problem for us and it’s nice to finally see them both perform well.
I wouldn’t say anyone on our site has a swollen head though. We just see our team making improving and as a result are happy.
by packallday555 on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're absolutely right
we aren’t arrogant but we do know that we have a very good team regardless of the Vikings. It’s hard NOT to get excited about having Aaron Rodgers and the number 3 defense in the NFL.
by Donald Driver on Oct 27, 2009 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
So do you feel I’m a troll or not?
by packallday555 on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's just cheering for Danny Way the skateboarder
and the whole troll business is an accident?
by Donald Driver on Oct 27, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go PACK Go….and take the Bucks and Brewers with you.
by dsludo on Oct 27, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever...
go back to your Steeler world and just be happy that you won the damn game.
I was upset with the call…and the game at first, but I couldn’t give a rip now. Okay…we lost. Hopefully we’re all over that now, and all of our thoughts are focused on beating that division rival located to the east of us.
Take care…maybe we’ll get the chance to play again…maybe in February.
by Norse Force on Oct 26, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heath Miller was a pick play pure and simple
I cannot believe that surag is trying to compare these two plays. Heath Miller was a text book pick play and that is PI. Did not see the hold on the Harvin return, but will watch for it when watching the replay. Watch K Will get held on the Big Ben scramble. The ref just turned his head. Following the QB is not his responsibility. He is supposed to be watching the line. All the ref’s had bad techniques. The ref that called Sidney Rice out was in the field of play not on the line where he should be. Even the ref that got planted was out of position.
Time to move on and focus on the Pack.
by SouthernNorseman on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All the posts about the refs,
are making me start to see an upside to illiteracy.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I will become rich and famous...
When I invent a machine that lets me punch people in the face through the internet.
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by Manimal on Oct 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might be as close as you can get.
by cutlassbob on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey steeler fan
you guy cheat in the SB and you even cheat now what is the difference. I will make it a mission of mine to bet against you guys. Yes i am putting money where my mouth is.
by vikefansd on Oct 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Dugan made contact with his hip. Definitely not a trip. Big call and a bad one. That said, love the way the vikes responded. It was a great game to watch.
by Spartan99 on Oct 26, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the NFL rulebook:
Rule 3 section 38
“Tripping is the use of the leg or foot in obstructing any opponent (including a runner) below the knee
You seem to have omitted the “use of the leg” in your description of what a trip was.
In your description of pass interference, you forgot the part that is DIRECTLY above the verbiage you quoted. “C. Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.” or what is considered a “Pick”.
The line “C) contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.” does not apply to plays that would be considered a “Pick”. The defender that gets picked obviously is put in a position where the ball is uncatchable by the offensive player executing the pick and the defender who get’s picked.
You seem to only include information that supports your argument.
by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Pass Interference
Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.
by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but the steeler guy cause his own tripping
when a guy is falling down he can control his leg. There is such a thing call accidental. I DVR the play. i saw him side step, and push down Dugan. Dugan miss the block. In the proccess of side stepping their leg touch. ACCIDENTAL. Just like pass interference. when there is accidental you pick up the flag. But what is more important. The ref in the NFL are not consistence. Player accept all call. they just want consistency. I am not mad that we lost. In fact this game show we have lots of hearts. SHITTT HAPPEN. If you watch the SB we play pitt is also decided on a bad call. That is why Bud Grant always want the ref to be full time. Even until not the ref is not full time. They have a full time job in the off season. And do you know how much these ref make???? It is more than you and me. Ask Bud what he thinks of the ref
by vikefansd on Oct 26, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SHITTT HAPPEN?
Somebody set us up the bomb!
by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come next weekend, the Vikes are going to be telling the Pack.....
“Hello gentlemen. All Your Lambeau are belong to us.”
“You are on the way to destruction.”
“You have no chance to survive, make your time.”
OH YEAH!!!!!!
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by Themanthemyththelegend on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figured it had been long enough for it to be funny again.
by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surag238,
Too Bad your beloved Steelers will not Super Bowl XLIV, that honor will go to our beloved Vikings.
That was not TRIPPING!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Oct 26, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
surag238,
Too Bad your beloved Steelers will not win Super Bowl XLIV, that honor will go to our beloved Vikings.
That was not TRIPPING!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the NFL rulebook:
Rule 3 section 38
"Tripping is the use of the leg or foot in obstructing any opponent (including a runner) below the knee"
by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or ammend the rule...
Tripping is the use of the leg or foot in obstructing any opponent (including a runner) below the knee
should be:
‘Tripping’ is the use of a referee in obstructing any opponent (especially Minnesota) from scoring the go ahead touchdown
j/k
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only person against
Is the commentator who’s bitter that Favre prove them wrong(Tom Jackson and is friends) everybody else said it is not tripping. But that is not the point. The point is that is something that is never call. I am a ref. If i make a call on every play the game never goes on. Sometime you just have to let player play. Inconsistence is a reason the NFL has top 10 controversial call. All the other sport don’t have it. Be consistence. That is all
by vikefansd on Oct 26, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perfectly legal cut block
and it DID cost us the game.
by skiumah06 on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get why surag238 posted this
The Steelers won in part because of a bad call that went their way, so he’s mad that we’re not accepting that game as a total defeat for the Vikes? Go back to BTSC jackass, and just be happy your team won.
And it was clearly NOT a trip!
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cowhead, You are the biggest whining baby I have ever seen
Quit bitching about the refs, you guys LOST
by Dr Del on Oct 27, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suckbags238 you're the baby
Go back to BTSC and spread your whiny ass crap over there. The refs sucked balls like you and your mama!
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 27, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"respectfully"
You’re a douche posting this here. We don’t need you to come “justify” the steelers win to us. Go back to BTSC. Thanks.
by EasternVike on Oct 26, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From a Steeler fan
I personally can’t see myself ever posting on another teams sight. Comments, oh yeah, and lots of them but this is your sight and it’s obviously not a good day to be a Vikings fan. I thought your defense did an excellent job against our passing attack and that should be something to be happy about with the Packer game coming up. It was a great game all around and with any luck you will get a rematch in Miami. That would be one for the ages. As for the penalty that brought back the TD. I look at it like this. Don’t turn the darn ball over afterwards and you still come away with at least three. It wasn’t like the refs made the lousy call and handed the ball to us. It was a lousy call too, I totally agree. But you had a few go your way as well. Oh yeah, don’t turn the ball over again and you have have at least three more. But if you do turn the ball over, expect us to score with it, it’s what we do, Coach T actually has the guys practice for precisely those situations. Good luck at Green Bay and good luck keeping the Old Man healthy for 16 weeks, you should have learned something watching the Jets last year.
by Juan da Baptist on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sucks to be a Steelers Fan
I know this is kind of a, “I told ya so”, but ummm… I did :)
Yes, the Steelers won. But now they get to hear all the caveats on the win….
1) Well, the Refs threw the Steelers too much love
2) Well, the Vikings were missing their All-Pro safetey and their #1 WR was out with an injury very early.
3) Well, it wasn’t so much that the Steelers won, but that the Vikings lost this one (my personal subscription goes here :) )
Usually, it’s the Vikings who are in that boat, with all the same excuses leveled at us, so I know how it feels to be on the other end of the stick. It sucks the joy out of the victory.
Ah, ah,
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by DCPurple on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny, none of those things bother me at all
let me check, nope, no bittersweet taste in my mouth. should I ever have a moment of pause however all I have to think of is how old Favre looked sitting at that podium, the vikings record in the super bowl, lost two to us I think. and if that doesn’t do it i just navigate to the desktop and soak up the 6 lombardi trophies staring back at me in HD. it’s great to be a steeler fan.
by Juan da Baptist on Oct 27, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why don't you leave this site and...
return to staring at (or whatever else you do while looking at) your wonderful Lombardi trophies.
by Norse Force on Oct 27, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'lost two to us I think'...appears you need some Vikings education...
our 4 historical SB opponents:
SB IV – Cheifs
SB VIII – Dolphins
SB IX – Steelers
SB XI – Raiders
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 27, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoken like a true half-assed steelers fan
I would think a real fan would know how and when they got all those Lombardis. Way to know your team, Juan.
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by BeardedAxe on Oct 27, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to surag238
Whats the old saying that there is holding on almost every play. Refs aren’t perfect but they need to take a look at any flagged play that results in a score. Sometimes they have a bad angle. If a touchdown gets called back shouldn’t it be legit. Take a look or at least give the coaches a right to challenge it. People make mistakes. How many times has a team had a touchdown called back for holding and we are all looking at the replay and it does’nt look like holding. You can challenge fumbles or catches or the spot of the ball. We see calls get reversed every week. Why can’t you challenge a hold or a trip or an interferance call? Aren’t they just as important in the outcome of a game?
by iowaron on Oct 27, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That actually might be the key to making penalty replays workable.
Only allow them on scoring plays that were called back due to a penalty.
Eh, that would never work.
by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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