Against His Former Team, Favre Delivers
by Anthony21 on Oct 5, 2009 11:01 PM CDT
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PrintThe Brett Favre Show? Well, Favre certainly wasn't the only man responsible for the Vikings winning their Monday night border battle. But in a much-anticipated game, he delivered against his former team. After treating a national audience of millions to an offensive showcase, Favre and the Vikings remain undefeated.
Did you know Favre is turning 40 on Saturday? You could have fooled me. The way he performed today, he might as well be turning 30 this week. The youthfulness he displayed was something to behold.
What made the difference for Favre in this one? In addition to the fact that he looked years younger, the protection he received was considerably better than in previous weeks. Favre had been taking a beating in the first few games, but he was not sacked once in this game. The importance of that cannot be overstated. Favre also leaned on his receiving corps earlier and more often than he did in the first three games of the season, as Bernard Berrian and Sidney Rice both turned in huge performances. We've seen Favre manage the game -- but in this one, we saw him play aggressive football. And the results were outstanding. The old gunslinger still has plenty of life in that right arm.
But indeed, the list of reasons why the Vikings won this game doesn't start and end with Favre. The defense was huge. Yes, there were some issues both early and late in this game. At several points in the first half, Aaron Rodgers was burning this team when the blitz was on. Still, despite a few stumbles, the defense turned the corner big time as the game continued. Who sparked this turnaround? I've got two words for you: Jared Allen.
The defensive line decided that today would be hunting season, and Rodgers would be the target. While Rodgers was able to get into a rhythm early in the game, this became one of those games when Jared Allen took complete control. His 4.5 sacks don't tell the complete story -- not by a longshot. Allen was constantly harassing Rodgers, displaying his ability to single-handedly turn a game around that seemed to be going south for this defense. And Allen was hardly the only man on that defensive line who made life difficult for Rodgers. The fact that Rodgers still managed 384 passing yards ought to raise some eyebrows, but the defensive line did more than its part.
Green Bay also did the Vikings plenty of favors through turnovers and penalties. A fumble and interception by Rodgers halted two first half drives that threatened to conclude in the endzone. And while the Vikings played disciplined football from start to finish, the Packers were a penalty machine.
Adrian Peterson? Conventional wisdom states that if you shut down Peterson, you shut down the Vikings. The Packers did a solid job on Peterson, as he finished the game with an average of just 2.2 yards per carry. But ultimately, conventional wisdom proved false -- because Favre made up for Peterson's lack of production, and then some. If the Vikings can win convincingly with AD turning in a nondescript performance, that's a great sign.
And ultimately, that's the exact message we're left with after this game. One of the burning questions I had entering this season was Favre's ability to put this offense on his shoulders and put points on the board. We know he can do a dang good job of managing a game, but can he do more than that? The final drive against the 49ers provided evidence that he can indeed take control of a game, but the evidence from this week's border battle provides irrefutable proof. He has the arm, he has the weapons, and he has the protection (today, at least).
Isn't it refreshing that teams now have to gameplan for both the Vikings' passing and running games? I'm telling ya, things are coming together for this team. Favre is looking great, carrying over the momentum from last week to an emotional meeting with his former team. The pass protection was the best we've seen in a long time. Jared Allen is an absolute game-changer -- and that description doesn't do nearly enough justice to his performance in this one. Brett Favre's performance will be the headline, but Allen turned in one of his best games of his career.
Now, about that comeback orchestrated by Green Bay in the final minutes. Things got too close for comfort as time ran down, with the Packers closing a 16-point gap to just seven. Give Aaron Rodgers some credit. Under constant fire from Allen, he gave the Packers a last ditch shot at the end. But it was too little, too late.
Favre and Allen are avid hunters, but who needs deer when you have Aaron Rodgers and the Packers defense? Enjoy this one, because it's a great time to be a Vikings fan. This team has put the Packers in their proper place, set the pace in the NFC North, and established itself as one of the NFL's elite. Rodgers was able to make things a bit too interesting in the fourth quarter, but that doesn't detract too much from this game. Ultimately, life is good.
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Awesome!
7 sacks on Rodgers, none on Favre, 3 TDs 0 INTs… no Adrian Peterson? No problem. Minnesota is a two headed monster. Look out, NFL. You’ve officially been put on notice.
Awesome...sort of
Don’t get too excited. What are we really looking at here…Minnesota pulled off a hail mary for a win, followed by giving up nearly 300 passing yards and pulling off a one score win when playing at arguably the best level we’ve played at in a while. Green Bay laughed at our running back! Farve did a great job, and carried the team when he needed to, but we still nearly lost! What if the GB reciever had caught that pass in the endzone, and/or we hadn’t gotten the questionable interference call on the Farve interception? A couple lucky breaks! Don’t get me wrong, we played a good game overall and did what it took to win, but if Green Bay irons out those problems and gets some pass protection, we will really have something to worry about!
I don't know if that game really qualifies as close
-We didn’t need the questionable interference call on the Favre interception, the play would’ve been overturned because the defense was off sides.
-Adrian Peterson struggled because they focused on run defense at the expense of pass defense. Adrian might not like the bad numbers, but aside from his inability to fall down before fumbling, he did his job simply by distracting the defense.
-Getting some pass protection takes a long time and a lot of talent. Chad Clifton will probably recover before the next game and the other players will get some experience, but their line will still struggle when we play them in Lambeau.
I really think a lot of the offense produced in the 4th quartet by Rodgers wouldn’t have happened if the game had been closer. They played sloppy because they didn’t have much to worry about.
by oblivionspocket on Oct 6, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Serious?
What game were you watching? Things happen all the time in all NFL games. Let’s look at the first half. Green Bay, nice throw, good catch, blown defensive coverage touchdown Green Bay. Ok, that was 7 points for them. Really not too spectacular. A gang tackled stripped tackle where the whistle should have been blown for forward progress and a touchdown. Really? That was Green Bay’s first half summary. The defense was dominate and our offense clicked all game. Seriously should rewatch the game. I have it DVR’d if you want.
relax cold monkey
I realize that if this and if that but the fact is the Vikes out played the Pack. They shut down AD
but it opened up the passing game. Favre stepped up and showed why Chili wanted him so bad for this team. Rodgers is a good QB. and he made things interesting at the end. The pack have a good team I expect them to be in the playoff hunt. They will get their chance to answer the bell at Lamblow. Just enjoy the win we earned it.
Check out NFL take on Athlete tragedies
http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-was-all-good-2-seconds-ago.html
"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"
Solid play
in all aspects… and only ONE (yes, ONE) penalty on our team.
This team has been coming together, tonite was our first complete game… and we keep getting better and winning!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 5, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions
and now, steve young is sucking the vinkings dick after he picked the ass packers to win.... what a fucking turdroller.....
Green Bay or the Windy City..... There but for the Grace of God go I.
He had too. He was Aaron Rogers once.
Remember. Steve Young follow Joe Montana. The difference is that Steve Young made his own legacy. Aaron Rogers is still making his (or not).
Well, remember why Young left football? Too many concussions.
You’re next, Aaron.
by virginia viking on Oct 6, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL Steve Young
I am not sure what kind of problem this ass clown has with the Minnesota Vikings, but he has always been that way. I knew he would pick against them. Even after the game did you see the look on Matt Millen’s face when Young was still putting the Viking’s down and praising the Packers. I think some male in the Viking’s organization turned down Young’s sexual advances and he has been jilted ever since.
Bernard Berrian is a cutie pie
He’s on Sports Center right now. And he makes the Sports Center guys look sort of old and fat.
My wife said the same thing
Well, after she said, “Holy cow, that guy is skinny.”
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 5, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Great game!
If you make a list of all the guys who stepped up and made great plays tonight you will definitely have to put in in alphabetical order— it will be a pretty long list!
by Sonic on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions
Sidney Rice
Rice was fantastic catching both onside kickoffs. Props to Mason Crosby for great onside kickoff technique. Beserker—please go elsewhere with your asinine comments.
by paulmccartneyguy on Oct 5, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions
whatever.
i’m entitled to my opinion and I happen to believe he is an asshole for picking the pack, then basically saying that the vikings are amazing. give me a break.
Green Bay or the Windy City..... There but for the Grace of God go I.
by IABerserker1 on Oct 6, 2009 6:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
style... or lack thereof
Its not so much your points that makes you so despicable. It’s the lack of creativity in their delivery. “sucking viking dick”, “ass packers”, f***ing turdroller"? Ya, thats not exactly the type of language I would use to earn the respect of your peers. Rise above and leave that elementary garbage to our less-educated foes across the border.
Despicable?
wow, a word used to describe Hitler, attributed to little ’ol me. You guys are too much. “MOMMY, HE SAID A SWEAR WORD!!!!!”
1. Young was, in fact, doing what i said he was doing. No need sugar coat it.
2. They are the ass packers, get over it.
3. Would me having called him a jackass given you warm fuzzies about things?
Looky here, boys. I have the right to opine about Steve Young in any manner i choose. I stated what i thought, and i’m sure many people were thinking the same thing, i just actually typed it. If you don’t like it, don’t read it, but for a couple of guys who have been coming here to express their opinions in any manner they choose for a combined month and a half, maybe you should just hop down off your soapbox and lose the attitude.
Green Bay or the Windy City..... There but for the Grace of God go I.
True, you do
And I didn’t post anything to ask you to stop, and won’t begin now.
But I will beg everyone else to stop responding to you, so you maybe stop on your own.
Please.
sorry puddnhead
i shouldn’t have defended my opinion. i’ll just stop saying what i think, i’m done.
Green Bay or the Windy City..... There but for the Grace of God go I.
As someone else pointed out
It’s not your opinion that is the problem, it’s how you voice it. The crudeness is uncalled for.
I definitelly don’t like how close this game was at the end.
It seems Chilly-ball is still playing not to lose instead of playing to make a statement and play to WIN. We’re the Minnesota F’ng Vikings – up by 2 TDs, on the opponent’s 40 yard line, 4th and a foot, I say you go for it.
Thoughts?
Actually, some of the aggressive play calling led to some extra time for the Packers (e.g, the wildcat formation where Rice was looking to throw and the bomb attempt on 3rd and 10 towards the end). If anything, I think Chilly tries calls such as that often with a “safe” lead, almost seeming like an attempt to shed his tight-sphinctered image.
But I do think there’s something to what you’re saying. They have seemed to struggle putting teams away under Chilly, and too often let teams hang around.
Agreed
To me that was a no-brainer. The clock was winding down and if we hadn’t made it, it wouldn’t have been a huge tragedy. If we did, the march continues. I loved the fact that we went for it on 4th and 1 twice earlier in the game, you have to have some faith in yourself.
From that point on, the Vikings were playing to protect their lead, not increase it. I understand the logic of that, but the problem is that a 2 TD lead leaves the opponent with a chance, however slim, of coming back to tie the game. And that’s exactly what happened.
The Vikes need to get the killer instinct, and finish their opponents off completely.
STILL…. hell of a game, and the Vikes looked great, all in all :)))))
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Check out NFL take on Athlete tragedies
http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-was-all-good-2-seconds-ago.html
"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"
Team Effort
Many players could be named as key in this W…But I must say I think it was a great TEAM effort …
Note there is no “u” in TEAM nor in what we saw…standouts? Certainly!
I am proud of what they are and what they are becoming! Was definitely worth the early morning for me!
GO VIKINGS!
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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 5, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions
You are so evil lol! Yep 'yer right on THAT one!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Nothing short of outstanding
This is one to remember. Favre choking up when he got interviewed tells you how much this game meant to him. Best Vikings game I’ve seen in a long time. Plus, we could keep winning a few here!!
You're welcome for Jared Allen
Signed, Kansas City Fans.
Since my #1 is currently the worst team in professional sports, I’m taking alot of enjoyment watching the Vikes. It baffles my mind how we would trade the biggest defensice playmaker in the NFL, in his prime, but If he went anywhere, I’m glad he landed in Minni.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Oct 5, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks - He isn't getting the credit he deserves
Allen put up a near career day and was critical to this win. Unfortunately, Favre is getting all the headlines. Favre had a very good game, but no better than Allen.
You don't know anything about football
Favre made those sacks and caught the TD passes. Which is pretty amazing considering it was only Favre’s 4th game as head coach.
Well, I muted the TV after the 1st quarter and all of a sudden it was like the Vikings were playing again. Definitely my strategy going forward.
Good for you!
Now if only you could find a way to do that on the blog and everywhere else in the world too, you’d be set :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Thanks Heech
For keeping it up, I get physically ill with all the Favre love and it makes it hard to type my utter hate for the guy
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Oct 6, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem
Evidently we’re the only two that actually hated Favre the last 16 years. Everyone else was secretly wishing he was a Viking. Who knew?!
you two are idiots or maybe secretly cheeseheads
brett may have been are enemy for 16 yrs. when a guy is signed by your team you stick with all the guys or your not a fan.
So I’m unable to have a personal opinion of the players on my team? And if I do then I am not a fan? Really?
They aren't the only two..
I STILL hate Brett Favre and ALWAYS will. I just hate him a little and I mean little bit less today.
you guys need to get over grudges
i have been a viking fan for 20 yrs. and i hatedhim but respected him so that’s why i am ok with it if it gets me something we never have had.super bowl!
Well, by your analogy none of us are fans. We have all booed a player before. I wouldn’t consider that “sticking with all the guys.” To me “not sticking with all the guys” would be skipping training camp.
no once your on the team and give a 100percent you would never hear meboo
that for sore losers only if you half ass it like a guy up in buffalo does
Favre As A Viking
For most people, myself included, loyalty to the team supersedes loyalty (or hatred) for a particular player.
For instance, I grew to despise Troy Williamson with every fibre of my football fan being, but cursing Williamson and his stone hands did not mean cheering against the Vikings.
I get sick of hearing about Favre, but he is a Viking now, and I want the Vikings to do well, so I put my fifteen years of Favre-hate aside. purple74 and heech seem to think this is a contradiction—it is not. Team before player—that’s all there is to it.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 6, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I've done that
with Sharper, Longwell, with Greenway. I did it with McMahon.. etc etc. I am doing it now with Favre. I want the team to win. I just can’t stand watching Favre. That’s all there is to it.
Why Greenway?
Because his name begins with “Green?”
"We Szekelys have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-Bram Stoker
I posted this before... but the thread was dying.
apologize if you’ve already read this, but it fits this discussion too.
‘Hate’
Is a four-letter word that comes out on Sunday around the family better than the four letter word(s) you’d like to use when you’ve just had your heart ripped out and chewed on by one of the greatest QBs to play the game – who just happens to play for the rival team in your division… whom you are forced to play twice a year with the same, regular results…
‘Hate’ is the simplistic, mono-syllabic response to having your team’s post-season hopes dashed again when your rival’s QB AGAINST ALL ODDS takes his team to the division championship, the conference championship, and the SuperBowl… He played for the ‘other’ team… and we wanted to see him get crushed, punished, knocked out of the game, throwing interceptions and LOSING… but he devastated (DEVASTATED) us on a regular basis.
‘Hate’ like you hate a beer?, an auto manufacturer?, or the really good looking girl who shuned you in middle school?…None of them are deserving of real hate, they all have their redeeming qualities… you’ve just formed an OPINION and an ARGUMENT that you choose to latch on to to make a point, choose a side, or to ‘GET OVER IT’.
If you ‘hate’ #4 for his athletic ability, his durability, his leadership, and his winning record (as stated above) then the correct word is RESPECT. Those are all qualities we NEED on our Vikings team.
If you ‘hate’ #4 for his waffling, crying, retiring, and un-retiring off-season ‘antics’ then it is the drama – played up and out by a media slathering for the scoop that you probably ‘hate’.
I don’t care for the drama, but I respect his skills, and I welcome him to the team because I believe he still has the talent, the skill, and courage to play football… and to lead this team to greatness
It’s time for you to decide what your ‘hate’ is really about…
If you ‘hate’ the man, then it’s going to be a long season for you. If you ‘hated’ the way he treated our team year after year… then it’s time to embrace him and send him into battle cheering for him to destroy our rivals on Sundays, Mondays, and sometimes on Thursdays and Saturdays…
Me… I’m gonna ‘hate’ #4 all the way through this season, hopefully into post-season, and I’m gonna ‘hate’ him with my entire being IF he lifts the Lombardi for my beloved Vikings. GO BRETT FAVRE… GO VIKINGS!!!!!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 6, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I read that twice. I still hate him. I’m talking about “sports hate,” not be be confused with real hate. I don’t want him beat him about the head and body until his liver falls out his mother’s ass or anything. I just don’t want to have to look at him. Kinda hard when he’s your starting QB. I’m sick crazy about football but I do know the difference between this and reality. So when I say hate, I am referring to “sports hate.”
I cant understand
Why you hate Favre so much. Yes he was on a team that is our bitter rival, but if you think about it, when it really counts, the playoffs, Vikings and Packers only met once, and if you need reminding, we embarrASSed them. I’ll tell you who I hated far more than Favre, Steve Young. Than guy always had career games against our Vikes in the playoffs. For the most part of Favres career, we owned him in the Metrodome. Young made our D look silly almost anywhere. Just my analogy of the situation. You are free to hate whomever you wish. All I know is that we would not be 4-0 without Favre, probably 2-2. It’s still a little weird watching him talk in press conferences as a Viking, but I’ve already accepted the idea of seeing him play for us.
"We Szekelys have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-Bram Stoker
Ah, so that's what "hate" means
“Anything of quality or achievement that I or ‘my side’ does not posess, that is overall better than me or what ‘my side’ has, and has not always possessed for its entire history, is something that must be ‘hated’”
Jeez, in simpler times this was merely called “jealousy,” or maybe “having an inferiority complex.”
Sports Hate??
…now your just making shit up.
I know it’s not a personal ‘hate’… you hate the ‘Brand’ that is Brett Favre.
like a beer brand… you had a bad experience with the ‘brand’ and you are done with it. ‘hate’ it.
You love the Vikings ‘brand’, no?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Brand new hate?
Thanks, I did just make that up. You like? But there such a thing as sports hate. Ok, if I ran into Brett Favre and Hugo Chavez in a bar I would buy them both a beer. Difference is I would put rat poison in Chavez’s but only spit in Favre’s.
I do love the Vikings, it is true. Which is why it bothers me so much. I can’t just walk away or tune it out. It’s like my brother dating the biggest whore on the block. I still love my brother but want nothing to do with his skank.
I will never understand this
If I had a beer with Barry Sanders or Donald Driver or Brian Urlacher or whoever, I would cherish that memory, I don’t care who they played for.
Perhaps you’re just joking, but … if you couldn’t, that’s just sad. You’ve lost the idea of what sports is all, about somewhere along the way. You act like it’s war.
No wait, scratch that, even soldiers who once shot at each other will often embrace as brothers, once enough decades pass (witness how many WWII vets interact with Japanese and German vets at various memorial ceremonies).
Check out NFL take on Athlete tragedies
http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-was-all-good-2-seconds-ago.html
"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"
The Favre gamble is starting to pay off.
Favre is starting to build chemistry the receivers, and it’s showing.
Stack the run, and he’ll pick you apart with the slants and screens. That’s why we got him, and it’s working pretty well…IMO!
The Vikes D did a good job tonight, but they gave up like 384 ? passing yards. I blame the “Prevent D” that they use. Most of those yards were YAC.
All in all, I’m happy as hell, but the game shouldn’t have been that close. The Packers have a beat-up o-line, and we sacked the snot outta Rodgers. Yet the game came down to one possession.
Oh’ well, no-matter how you get there, 4-0 is pretty cool.
Go Vikes!
The Vikes D did a good job tonight, but they gave up like 384 ? passing yards. I blame the "Prevent D" that they use. Most of those yards were YAC.
I think their safeties are the weak link. Both Williams and Johnson looked flat at times tonight. (Although clearly a couple Vikings sacks were the result of good downfield coverage, so they must’ve been doing something right much of the time. They just seem to miss a lot of tackles/take horrible angles too much.)
They got burned on a couple of blitzes, too. That happens sometimes, but the commentators were fair to point out (IMO) that they probably didn’t need to blitz given the advantage of the Vikings front 4 over the Packers’ line.
it was all the blitz
the vikes had no reason to blitz at all in this game. The packers O-line is terrible. Every time the Vikes blitzed they got burned because of easy coverage mostly down the middle. I believe every sack the vikes got was when they were rushing 4 and cutting off rodgers quick reads. Almost cost us the game. We blitzed on almost every down on the packers first 2 drives and we got pretty lucky with a couple of turnovers (both on non-blitzes). It was totally crazy and then we did the same thing on the last drive the packers scored on. I wonder if it was Frazier or Chilly calling the blitzes…
I can't remember where I saw this
but Rodgers passer ratings is actually better during the blitz than during a base defense. Farve is slightly worse during the blitz. But GB didn’t blitz alot because they didn’t want to give up a big play to AP off a dump off pass.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 6, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I think the Vikes adjusted quite well. After the initial Rodgers long bomb, there were no other sustained drives by the Pack until we were already in the prevent.
The defense played phenomenal. We only gave up 7 non-prevent points last night.
lets not get me started
on the prevent defense. I have a basic strategy for games….play to your strengths. Anyone actually seen a prevent defense keep points off the board? I can’t think of one time. Every time I see it, I get this feeling of dread. The Prevent basically gives huge chunks of yards to your opponent and allows them to constantly get a new set of downs. The best defensive plan keeps your opponents touches down…not prevent the deep ball.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 6, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Prevent works better
with a 4-3 than a 4-3. You get more people into the flats to prevent a new series of downs. The prevent should only be used with less than 1 minute left. That is the only time of the game where a new set of downs won’t do much.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 6, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Prevent Defense
It’s called the Prevent Defense because it prevents the team using it from winning most of the time.
Agreed, it should only be used at the very end of the halfs, and/or with more than a two TD lead.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not just the prevent defense,
it’s the prevent offense that bugs me too. We were pretty much moving the ball at will for most of the game, and they were definitely stacked against the run in the 4th quarter. After the safety, we had 3 straight 3 and outs, each of which featured 2 runs and a pass, and which consumed in total less than 3 minutes on the clock.
All we had to do, I believe, is to keep running our offense the way we had been (being a little extra careful) and I think we could have moved the chains, taken a lot more time off the clock and perhaps even put some more points on the board.
The combination of prevent offense (don’t turn it over omg!) and prevent defense also means that you end up keeping your defense on the field almost continuously in the 4th quarter when they are already tired. It’s a dangerous combination.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I always come back to the 1998 Vikings-Atlanta game. We had a prolific passing offense, but denny wanted to control the clock…so we just ran and ran and ran. It made me want to puke. Anytime you become one dementional or predictable…you get beat. The opponents aren’t idiots. They understand what you are doing and how to beat it. But if you stick to your game plan, they they have to account for more options. The best defense in the 4th quarter is a good offense that can move the chains, while taking time off the clock…not the prevent d and conservative run o that doesn’t get you a new set of downs.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Go Vikes!
Great game!
Also funny – Packers fans are apparently coping for their loss by editing wikipedia.
From the article for “Jumping the shark,” listed under common methods of jumping the shark:
Return of an old character. The 2009 NFL football season jumped the shark on Monday October 5th after Brett Favre played as Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings against his former team the Green Bay Packers.
I thought it was funny – I guess Packers fans have to take what they can get!
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 5, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions
AD
not seeing the game I would say they sold out to stop AD and Farvin made them pay?
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Oct 5, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions
Sort of
Only, it wasn’t so much ‘Farvin’ as it was the rest of the team, from Chester Taylor to Sidney Rice. Favre got his passing mojo going and he spread the love around :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
JAllen and Favre
I would love to hear the rant J-All was throwing down to Brett after that last sack. It looked wild on five secs of sideline cam.
We want the RING!!! And WE can DO IT!!!?
As voted on NFL.com's homepage,
we are the best remaining unbeaten team =)
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
...add #4 to the mix and see what you get... Championship.
yes!!
I just voted there and was very surprised to see the vikes as a favorite for that statistic.. given the natural distaste that most people seem to have for the best team in the NFL
The Vikings=$600 Million
The Metrodome=$55 Million
Adrian Peterson=Priceless
by 4 AP Jerseys on Oct 6, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Just voted...
the Aint’s are ahead. If you haven’t voted yet, head on over.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
It's a good day (night) for Vikings fans
Some part of me feels good for you. I remain happy for Brett Favre. Yet I still feel pretty bad that the Packers lost. It is only a game after all, right? I know the Packers season is in trouble because they cannot put an o-line together to stop anyone. Aaron Rodgers is going to get hurt.
Since the Packers will not go anywhere, I will root for Brett Favre. Yes, Vikings and all that. Packers GM Ted Thompson has failed the Packers and until he is gone, I find it hard to see the Packers win anything. Favre is about the only thing still worth watching in the NFL. I do not care what jersey he is wearing. Well, as long as it doesn’t belong to a certain team, but I will not get into that here.
In any case, I am happy for you even if I am a bit downcast for my favorite team. The Vikings really are the better team and I hope they win the SB this year.
Welcome
and thanks. For what it’s worth, you have a heck of a QB there. What incredible luck he fell from likely 1st pick of draft to still being there at #23 for you; Not even Ted Thompson could screw up that pick.
If you just get rid of that idiot GM you have, and get someone else who can put together a better line to protect this guy, there will be many future years of chances to fulfill his promise. As long as he doesn’t get eaten alive in the meantime. Thank you for wishing us luck in the meantime though, because you are right — we are ready to go there, right now! ;)
Chris Kluwe: Deserving of a star…
Also, I understand Favre v. Packers is a big deal, but man is ESPN milking it…
+10
CK is a good kicker with some placement problems last yer. Looks like he worked haard to fix those little things
by CitrusFLViking on Oct 6, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Kluwe really showed that he’s put things together since last year’s debacle, it’s like night and day. I hope they’re showering him with kudos when the team watches the film of this game because Kluwe’s hang-time and accuracy is a real difference-maker.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Yeah
Warcraft really picked up his game. They finally convinced him not to go for distance but to go for height to let his team get down there.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 6, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
What????
Man you are just a hater. If we don’t have Favre I don’t think we will be in this position. Stop hating and enjoy the Vike.
Rice is coming of age
I always felt he would make a good #2 or 3 WR someday. I jnow we are only 4 games in but BF seems to like the kid. He was an awesome talent at SC. I often got to sse him play. Also a very nice young man from the couple times I chatted with him at training camp,
BF is getiing comfortable with his new team and they to him. I was on the fencepost during the off season circus, I knew he could manage the team bu twas there enough left?
He has shown there is. Said his arm felt fine where it was starting to bother him at this point last year.. If he can maintain this I hope he stays one more year,
I had a feeling after last season
that when Sidney Rice was healthy, he would be good. Even though he was out all the time, he still caught a touchdown pass in a bunch of different games. I’m glad to see him doing well.
by oblivionspocket on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Just wanted to come over and say
Good game. You guys are clearly the better team at this point and that one guy still has some gas left in the tank. Rice looked great today.
Thanks
We’re still a bit jazzed over this one because we really did have something prove after our first couple games being creampuffs, and the BF situation. While the Pack didn’t win, they’re a good, credible team that can’t be discounted, and your guys played us down to the wire. Exciting football!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Check out NFL take on Athlete tragedies
http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-was-all-good-2-seconds-ago.html
"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"
Toss up one for me tomorrow
a prayer that is. Been having some medocal difficulties again. Don’t know if it is accident related muscle strain on my amputation areas or my heart
my thoughts are with you
regardless of your Gator love i hope everything turns out well. One other thing don’t trust a single doctor, always get a second opinion for anything serious. I know way too many MDs to trust a single one of them.
Hang in there buddy
Take care of yourself, I hope you’re feeling better soon!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
best wishes, brother....
we’ll pray for you!!
Green Bay or the Windy City..... There but for the Grace of God go I.
by IABerserker1 on Oct 6, 2009 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In da' pocket
As a seahawks fan (cough cough), I have to say that I drool over the fact you have Favre… we have not had a QB who has the sight to STICK in the pocket like Brett does, even when it gets tight. No less tha 5 plays tonight I almost spilled my beer in FRIGGIN’ AWE of Favre and his trust of your strong O-line- stuck in and delivered. You may have just recruited a new fan… Shaun Alexander getting an Emveepee is a joke when a team like the vikes have Peterson. That man is just a joy to watch.
by the.silver.standard on Oct 6, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
Incredible pocket protection!
Just incredible! If I didn’t see it for myself, I’d have a hard time believing it because that hasn’t been the norm… The norm has been that the pocket collapses and Favre gets dumped on his ass or nailed by late hits. For some reason that I can’t fathom, tonight the O-line got their act together for the first time in YEARS. They looked like the Pro-Bowl candidates they’re supposed to be and it was beautiful, how they covered Favre and gave him the time to perform.
This game really was the one where the entire team stepped up, for the first time, the Vikings team brought their A-game. Hopefully we’ll see a lot more of that :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I think it says something about the 49ers. I’m glad that game is over with. Should be interesting to see how the GB O-line does in that game.
Never thought I'd live to see the day...
…when Favre played against the Packers, but he executed it with such beauty! As odd as it was for me to see him in purple playing against the Pack, I was so happy for him to have such a flawless game against an organization with such flawed management!
Unsung Standout Performances
There were some on this team last night that deserve mention. First off was our discipline and lack of penalties…when was the last time we saw that?? Then our special teams. WOW! Kluwe had some amazing punts, just the right amount of hang-time and distance and accuracy to give our guys the ability to pin them deep in their end. Also, the kicking team did a great job on both sides especially Rice on the last two onside attempts. The other shout out goes to the O-line for OUTSTANDING pass protection…Great work!
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt
Antoine Winfield...
…had a great game too. I felt like he laid some wood on some of those guys out there. I’m amazed at how well that guy can tackle.
Another thing....
Favre had the highest rating out of any quarterback this week! What a week to deliver.
Another Packer fan here…. Great game lads!! Jared Allen, Winfield and your o-line are true worthy adversaries…the kind of guys you hate playing against but respect the hell out of. It easily came down to offensive and defensive lines. You guys were clearly superior. and Favre executed and played nearly perfectly. It is going to be a fun year in the NFC north,,,unless our o-line gets Rodgers killed. Anywyas… great game… enjoy it!!
We appreciate that Sequoia. Thanks for being a respectable fan. :)
It makes me happy to know that there are some classy fans still out there.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Oct 6, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Its a long season Rest Favre Now!
We have a tough 3 out of four games coming up! If we let TJ take care of the Rams,I think it will pay come Ravens time. If we use are games and personal in a different, unconventional way? we might have Favre in the end when we need him the most! Let TJ or Sage have the next game! Work on using all the running backs, Taylor can run his as—- off if given more chances! Harven WOW!
Thanks PackaCracka
I too think it was the best game I have seen (well actually I heard parts of, followed as possible on the DN blog between internet disconnects, and hit and miss elswhere online – sigh…) in a LONG time (there were two worthy and motivated opponents, and yes GB had a bad day)….
But GB is better than many other teams out there trying to do something (look at the rankings on various sites, GB is in the top 12 as is Chicago), and although all of us have
room for improvement (as all teams do), tonight all the stars were aligned for the Vikings…I am sure the two will play just as tough round two or version 1.1 in Lambaugh (sp?) next month…
And look forward to that game too, and hope it will/can be just as exciting (not many games that can match last night’s game regarding exciting)….The game had a playoff feel to it, and certainly/obviously MUCH more was involved than just another Sunday…errrrrr…Monday matchup!
Lastly, again, to you and all posters from ACME, I ceratinly do appreciate all the civil comments here….I try to reciprocate when I head that way as well…Do unto others, know what I mean? I see other Viking fans are pretty much the same…For contrast check out almost any Yahoo comments from “fans” on Yahoo articles pertaining to this game (or anything really)…Is ridiculous, uncivil, downright eveil in some cases, and not worth the time to float through them!
Have a good week either in WI or MN….I will do the same from sunny (always) and hot (almost always) Dubai, where rain is worth its weight in gold (there is none for the most part)….I will ride this euphoria or rational (irrational?) exuberence for a bit….Twins tonight….YEAH! (Sorry Detroit, last year we caved, this year I feel different on the outcome….)
SKOL ALL MIDWEST DUDES AND DUDETTES!!!!!!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 6, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
How about that Dubai?
and the worlds biggest building?
I live in Iowa. Its raining here a lot. Its cause of Brett Favre.
NE WI #4 fan all day long
Man you vikings have got it all now. As the season progresses this team will become a monster in the NFL. You look great, everyone has passion and wants the win bad. I think Chilly is COOL ,kind of a silent threat. There will be many more suprises of a positve nature for this group, and old #4. What can you say, he is the best and with him the vikings are very very dangerous. Jared Allen is a beast. Outstanding football. Very good entertainment. Go Brett Go Vikings
THOMPSON IS A MORON
The "new" uniforms
looked AWESOME!
These are the uniforms we need to play in -- always.
by Sonic on Oct 6, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
LOL!
Why, so they did! That’s hilarious, there I was, watching the game and wearing my own “throwback” #10 jersey and the Vikings just looked like… the Vikings, to me. The way they’re supposed to look :). I forgot that this was a a special uniform night.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Love the old unis! My son thought it was cool to see the Vikes as they looked when I was his age. I thought it was cool a 7 year old picked up on differences.
This is his first year of really getting into it so he was confused when they showed the Packer footage. He looked at me in disbelief “Favre played for the Packers?!! Why is he not with the Packers?” I said “because deep down everyone wants to be a Viking.” I couldn’t lie to the kid.
LOL!
Excellent answer!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 6, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The team just somehow "looked better" to me
when they came out—- but it actually took a little while before it even registered with me that they were wearing the throwbacks. (Probably more time than it took Heech’s son!)
I have tickets to the Carolina game in Charlotte, and have my own throwback #10 ready to go—- but may have to modernize before then. Let’s see…. #28 , #69 , #12 , #4 ….
so many choices now!
by Sonic on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ll never modernize. I only buy jerseys of retired players, too much of a gamble. Who wants to wear their Burleson jersey?
Only retired players...?
.
Alright, Heech….. #4 it is….
Oh… wait a minute.
We’ll have to save that for in-between seasons…
by Sonic on Oct 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i hope like hell it does. But really anything short of winning a SB and we’ll be the butt of jokes for decades to come. It’s all or nothing now.
Heech, SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP NOW before you decide to end it all.
You said earlier in this thread:
I’ve waited my entire life for a SB as well. You see BF as winning it for us, I see it as BF taking it from us. Nothing about the SB will be about the Minnesota Vikings
Now your saying:
anything short of winning a SB and we’ll be the butt of jokes for decades to come. It’s all or nothing now.
Dude, you have a twisted mind. I love your passion, but it looks to me like your F’ed no matter what. I hope you can find a way to enjoy the ride.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Context of the posts.. I was replying to Packer fans hating life right now. If the Vikes don’t win the SB it will be for Packer fans to laugh about for decades. How we desperately tried to ride their old QB to a SB. I can hear it now.
The other one is referring to the spectacle we’ll have to endure if it happens. But I will agree with you.. I/we are screwed either way.
Drew Olson on ESPN Milwaukee radio
says that Sage or T-Jack could have won that game last night with all that protection. Yipes – that guy is pulling a check for that. That goes beyond opinion into the Twilight Zone. Oh and the Vikes receivers are mediocre.
Here is a guy who says Rodgers outplayed Favre. Brett Favre is no Aaron Rodgers.
Yes, Rodgers did more than Favre
But that’s what Packers fans don’t get, and Favre does. The reason Favre has all those passing records is because the Packers have been forcing him — and now the also-talented QB who is following him — to carry the whole offense on his back since early this decade. Wolf left them with a good line and still respectable D, and Sherman (despite all his faults) brought in a solid RB. Then Thompson came in, and year after year, did almost nothing to improve the team outside of the draft.
What Packers fans don’t get is that Favre not getting as gaudy numbers as Rodgers is kind of the point for Vikings success, not a problem. Favre sees he is finally (Jets were just as bad as Packers) been put in a position where he doesn’t have to do anything. SO he doesn’t try to. Rodgers does not have that luxury, so … yeah, he ends up doing it all, and then his team loses.
It’s not that different than the early years of Michael Jordon’s career with the Bulls, where he would regularly put up 50 points then lose. These Packer fans think that is something to brag about … but it’s not. It’s the idiot light on your teams dashboard telling you something needs to be checked. Getting massive yardage totals game after game but having a .400 lifetime record as a starter should be saying: something’s wrong with this team. Vikings had a similar (though not as extreme) situation with AP, and Chilly went out and did somethign about it. He got Favre. Now maybe Packers fans should start kicking their GM in the @$$ to get him to do something too.
More than 135 of Rodgers passing yards and one of his 2 TD passes,
came in the 4th quarter, after they were two touchdowns behind and we were pretty much in a ‘prevent’ defense. He also turned the ball over twice, got sacked for a safety (which turned out to be a significant 2 points) and lost 42 yards on all his sacks.
And, oh yeah, he lost. Which I always thought was the most significant stat of all.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 6, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
There is so much more to quarterbacking than numbers
How do you answer the bell?
When momentum seems to be swinging the other teams way, how does your guy react?
When there’s 1:30 left in the game, and you need to go 80 yards to win the game and you don’t have any timeouts, do you believe your guy can do it?
Does your team rally around your QB, or expect him to fail?
Rodgers has a stronger arm, he had better stats, he has youth on his side, like the author stated. But look at the body language that Rodgers had comapred to Favre during the game. In a lot of ways, Rodgers reminded me of Daunte Culpepper in that when things were going well, he was Mr. Positivity. But when things started to turn against the Packers, Rodgers became withdrawn, apathetic, almost…sullen. I’m not saying he was any of those, but he sure looked it. And your team feeds off of it.
That’s why I love Favre on the Vikings now, and that’s why I couldn’t stand facing him. You cannot rattle him, and you cannot get inside his head. He comes across with the attitude that no matter what, I will beat you. if I have to crawl on my hands and knees, throw left handed, or throw a block 40 yards downfield, I will defeat you. And your team feeds off of that as well, and you’re seeing that in the Vikings. They don’t get rattled, they don’t panic. They take a punch, get their legs under them, and then charge the ring and kick your ass.
THAT’S why I am glad the Vikes have Favre.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by Ted Glover on Oct 6, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leadership and Command
That’s what the Vikings have lacked for entirely too long and seeing it return to the field is just fantastic.
What impresses me even more is that the Vikings are still on the rise. They’re getting better and better every week, the players are still gelling, the level of play is increasing. This really is what championship teams do; they start the season out at a good pace but they build steadily so that by the time December/January arrives, they’re peaking.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Great Post Anthony21
read it twice as a matter of fact I am going to read it again ha… what a great win and lets get ready for the rams
I read that Trevor Hoffman and some other pitchers were at the game
Anyone see them? Any other celeb sightings?
Look Out! The Vikings have a football team
First off, check out the scoreboard.
Then check out who all took part in this game.
It was very nearly 40 for 60.
BB caught a big catch.
Rice did great.
Percy did very good.
Favre didn’t throw a block this game.
But he did his job very weel.
Peterson did his job well,
considering he let the ball get lose,
he never saw much day light.
Outside of the run blocking,
the O-Line did a good job.
The defense looked very good 80% of the time.
And special teams did their part.
The kicking game looked very good.
Each week the Vikings look better and better.
And I think it was the best Vikings effort I’ve seen
in a long long time.
If this contiues who knows how far we can go?
The MONKEY may finally off the Vikings back.
The rest of this season should be fun.
40 for 60 that’s all it takes.
“What’s-up” check out the scoreboard.
Check out NFL take on Athlete tragedies
http://tightend.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-was-all-good-2-seconds-ago.html
"Don't Be Afraid to Stand on a Pile of 'No's' for one 'Yes'"
Well, let's see here...
You joined 13 blogs and posted this a total of 67 times, almost all in the period of an hour.
You’ve already been deleted about 23 times and presumably banned from a few of those blogs.
You post the same link 6 times on one thread.
Very industrious of you.
I wouldn’t click that link for all the tea in China, and I’m pretty sure you’re going to be history very soon.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 7, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions
+10
I wasn’t going to respond to him, but since you started it, lol…. And agreed, I won’t click on the link just because the poster is so obnoxious, the message has been lost. Spam sucks.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I clicked.
Nothing Vikings related there, not surprisingly.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
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