I'm sorry but I think it needs to be said.........
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 PM CDT
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With all the talk, pre-Favre signing and now post Favre signing, about how the Vikings have the worst QB situation in the NFCN blah blah blah.
It was mentioned on MNF about Aaron Rodgers only starting his 20th game and how he and Tarvaris Jackson had about the same number of NFL starts. Well guess what!?? Jackson has more wins then the annoited one in Green Bay. Sure he has better fantasy football stats, says all the right things to the media and looks the part and I'm sure he'll have a fine career, he still has led his team to LESS WINS in more starts than Tarvaris Jackson. Our back-up has more wins then the entire Packer QB group!
Suck on that awhile cheese heads!
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Great statistics, Billy. When Favre leaves hopefully we can put T-Jack in there.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Oct 8, 2009 7:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Jack Redux
T-Jack has an unprecidented opportunity to learn from Favre, he’s a complete fool if he doesn’t take it. I hope he does, that his game polishes up and he becomes a keeper at the end of this season.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 8, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are right
But tjack is not going to learn imo.
by vikefansd on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing it’s your opinion and not fact.
by Bjorno on Oct 8, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there is any way he isn’t learning.
by Salty on Oct 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tjack was able to learn from a guy who gave himself a concussion.
Need I say more?
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Oct 8, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, tell you what. Let’s give Aaron Rodgers AD and see how much better he fares in that win total. I mean you could easily argue that the Vikings won in spite of Jackson, in all but a few games, and that the Packers lost in spite of Rodgers, also in all but a few games.
by Frost on Oct 8, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure you could argue this or that
but the bottom line is W/L and the fact remains the Packers ‘best QB in the division’ has less starts in more starts then T Jack. Let’s not forget that Jackson didn’t inherit a 13-3 team that just was an OT away from the Super Bowl. He also didn’t get to sit behind a HOF QB for several years to watch and learn. He was thrown to the wolves with a very medicore team, had a coach who did pretty much everything opposite of what the QB developing manual says to do and yet he still has more W’s than Rodgers.
Sure, if you need a good fantasy football QB then Rodgers is a great choice. If you need a guy to lead your team to the playoffs and winning a division, then I’m not so sure yet.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys being honest, here?
I mean come on — if you are the Vikes GM and you have the opportunity to trade TJack for Rodgers, based on what you have seen so far, do you make the trade?
No brainer. Loyalty is one thing. Rooting for our guys is fun. But as Aikman used to say, “Get Real”!!!
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Oct 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Rodgers has a worse W/L record. Because GBs defense took a huge step back. He played a part in roughly half the losses last year, but the defense was just terrible. He has absolutely no control over that. It would be like comparing Moreno to Beanie Wells winning records. Moreno is 4-0! Is it because of him? No, it’s the defense mostly.
Now if you wanted to argue that our defense is better than the Packs, that’d be something different entirely. But you can’t really crow about our back-up QB having more wins than their starter, because if he was really so great, the back-up would be starting, not Favre.
by Frost on Oct 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comparison to RB's is a massive fail.
RB’s don’t direct the offense. They don’t touch the ball on every offensive snap. This isn’t a TJack thread as much as it is an Aaron Rodgers one.
All we’ve been told the last couple of yrs is how good the QB situation is in Green Bay. Here they had a 1st rnd pick who went to a big time program who had the benefit of sitting and watching for several yrs behind a HOF QB. In fact their team thought so highly of him they cast aside the HOF’er for the young guy even after a 13-3 season and an OT away from the Super Bowl. Thats unprecedented in the NFL. And whats happened is that highly touted can’t miss young stud has managed fewer wins in more starts then our back up who nowbody seems to like for one reason or another. Facts are the facts
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts are facts
Well, that is a tautology, so I guess by definition it is true.
But inferences are not facts. You seem to asking people to infer from the “facts” that Rodgers is not a good QB, or that he is no better than TJ. If that is the case, I would suggest that most people would not make that inference from the facts you are pointing out.
If you are asking people to make some other inference, then I admit I may have misspoken in my critique of your point. But I am not sure what your point is, then.
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Oct 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think unclebillybonz knows what a tautology is?
by ckb on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
had to look it up! ;)
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBs don’t direct the offense. Neither does Tavaris Jackson. He doesn’t check out of plays. He runs what’s called, just like a RB does.
Also, the highly-touted can’t miss young stud has played up to his draft position. What I don’t understand how you can’t get is that the losses aren’t directly related to his performance. Jay Cutler is a good example. The man is a pretty good QB, though he has his low-lights as we saw in week one, but has a losing record. Does that make Cutler a worse QB than Jackson? Not even close.
I mean, if Jackson and Rodgers traded places, who do you think would have the better winning record?
by Frost on Oct 8, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you know this how?
Are you a current or former player or coach with inside knowledge or just a wannabe couch GM like the rest of us?
As for Rodgers playing up to his draft position???? 8-10 over the last 20 games. Awesome return on that high draft pick and high dollar contract extension he got!
Child please.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly does a team go 8-10 in the last 20 games? :)
Rodgers is definitely playing up to his draft position. There are plenty of top-10 QB’s out there who are worse than Tjack, yet Rodgers is playing at a top-10 QB level and he was drafted 24th overall.
Like has been stated over and over, the QB is NOT the only player on the team and cannot be held solely responsible for the win-loss record. There are 21 other players on each side of the ball and a plethora of coaches who share the blame.
I can’t believe I am defending a Packers quarterback. Curse you Brett Favre!!
by Bjorno on Oct 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, in his most recent loss he threw for 380 some yards and 2 TDs with 1 int and a lost fumble, while being sacked 8 times. I don’t care what team you root for, that’s pretty damn impressive when you’re sacked 8 times.
And the guy has a career completion % of 62.4 or something, with 35 TDs to only 15 Ints, in addition to 5k yards. And he’s only started for 20 games. That’s something I’d love to have my first round QB do.
I doubt the Cheeseheads are going to feel too bad that Rodgers hasn’t won as many games as Jackson when the man’s not even starting though. And I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to argue…
by Frost on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that whole defense thing is oversold by the Arodgettes
No, I wouldn’t put T-Jack ahead of Rodgers, but he isn’t the dreamy, fabulous QB he is made out to be. Doing things like having quick 3 and outs also affect defenses.
Remember, despite the noise about the defense, the team was considered “superbowl quality” at the start of last season according to people like Jaworski. A big part of that was their great defense. Last I checked, they have a great DE, probably the premiere cornerback combo, high quality LBs and on and on.
And don’t start with the injury thing. There were plenty of injuries in ’07.
by Salty on Oct 8, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pack is only 2-2
The Vikes were 1-3 last year and won the division, right?
All this talk about the demise of the Packers seems a bit premature to me. Have y’all been drinking Kool-Aid?
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Oct 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
They will be right there in the end. They need to solve their O-line problem though.
by PurpleJesus on Oct 9, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clifton coming back and Tauscher being signed will help the pass game. I forget who was injured in the game, so that might be a problem.
by Salty on Oct 9, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
This is why using stats to decide who is a better player is so silly. Football is a team game, and stats are a product of A (the talent and execution of the player) x B (the talent and esecution of his teammates) and C (the quality of the schemes implemented by the coaching staff).
Using stats as a surrogate to measure just the A variable can be SOOO misleading.
Judging individual talent is so difficult that certain people who excel at it get paid a lot of money to do it - precisely because it is so hard to do successfully.
It’s like all the people who argue that Montana is the best QB ever. Well, many people (including many who argue Montana was best QB) argue that Walsh was a genius with his offensive scheme and also that Rice was best WR ever. OK, what stat from Niners glory years do you use to determine the relative status of each of the 3 variables?
UYltimately, we resort to our gut — which is the poroduct of watching the players play over time and processing endless conscious and unconscious impressions about their individual performance. NOT stats.
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Oct 8, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not making any claims that TJack is the next best thing.
I am only pointing out that the Packs QB (who has been anointed by some as the next great QB) has a worse W/L record in more starts to start his career then our back-up who a lot of people say shouldn’t even be on a NFL roster. If you want to champion fantasy football stats more power to you. Myself, I’ll take ugly win’s over pretty losses every time.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you were saying that Tjack was the next big thing, we would likely belittle you to no end.
I am a Tjack fan, and want to see him succeed, but the odds are stacked against him unless he figures out the mental aspect of the game rather quickly. We can only hope Favre can help him some.
by Bjorno on Oct 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it woudl be more pertanent if you compared qb stats
Even if it’s just qb rating.. Ints thrown, td’s thrown map that to amount of games played average it whatever. The W/L has way to many variables to be just one person even if he’s the QB. Heck they could have even played an easier schedule who knows?
by Grime on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I mean, I’m all for the ugly wins as well. But if you’re trying to compare QBs, you don’t use the W-L column.
by Frost on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha I love it
Vikes are doing so great we have to find an argument that our backup is better than the Pack’s starter, which he is not BTW.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 8, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you'll have to show where
anybody said Jackson is ‘better’ than Rodgers. what has been said though is through the same number of starts to begin their respective careers, Rodgers, despite all the advantages he’s enjoyed versus Jackson, has won less games then Tarvaris. Sad, but true.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the advantages?
Jackson couldn’t beat out Gus Frerotte to lead the 3rd highest payroll in 2008. The Packers were 28th. No bones about it, Billy, Rodgers had fewer advantages than TJ last year.
by KC Viking on Oct 8, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes all the advantages.
The advantage of sitting and learning the game for several yrs versus being thrown to the wolves as Jackson was. Anybody who thinks Chilly and Co. did a good job getting Tarvaris ready for the NFL game is crazy.
Furthermore, Tarvaris was starting games in 2006 his rookie year. The next year he started 12 games. The team the Vikings are putting on the field now is not the same team they had in 2007. So in that regard yes, Aaron Rodgers has a HUGE advantage of the quality of team(13-3) he inherited versus Jackson.
VikeGuru is a doofus!!
by Unclebillybonz on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've forgotten
that TJ sat and learned from a 2-time Pro Bowler and Super Bowl winner for 1 year before becoming a starter. Then he was given the keys to the 3rd highest payroll and couldn’t keep it. He was given plenty to work with.
By your logic, Flacco and Ryan should have been terrible last year…and I suppose Sanchez this year, too, since none of those have had 3 years of watching Brett Favre.
Hey, here’s an idea: TJ had every opportunity to watch BF or whomever was successful on film. He could have taken that on by himself starting in college or at least immediately after draft day if he was really dilligent.
by KC Viking on Oct 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think you forgot!
Jackson didn’t sit and study for 1yr, he was starting mid-way through his rookie year. And as good as B.Johnson was, he was never as good as Favre.
You say Jackson had plenty to work with. Lets take another look at that.
Troy Williamson
Aundre Allison
Robert Ferguson
Bobby Wade.
Notice that none of these receivers play for the Vikings any longer.
A Rodgers came from a good school, with a good QB program, Jackson didn’t. Now I’m not saying Jackson is a better QB than Rodgers because he’s not, but the reasoning isn’t as black and white as you think. Rodgers having the luxury of going to USC, and learning from Favre for 3 solid years goes a long way. Not to mention, Rodgers had better receivers, and his team is designed to be a passing team, whereas the Vikes are built around the run game.
by chaosg on Oct 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that where Rodgers played college ball?
by chaosg on Oct 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Univ of California I believe
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Oct 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 starts don't matter
Aaron Rodgers actually watched his team go 4-12 (BF’s rating was 70.8, roughly TJ’s in 2007) and 8-8 (Favre’s rating was only about 2 points better that year…surprising that AR didn’t pick up a ton of BF’s bad habits or learn that throwing more picks than TDs were good, eh?) in his first 2 seasons.
If 2 starts at the end of 2006 ruined TJ somehow, then kick him out of town immediately, because no QB can succeed if he is that fragile and in need of serious coddling for THREE YEARS PLUS.
by KC Viking on Oct 8, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coddling's the Problem
That, and impatient fans.
No matter how many miles of sideline that T-Jack walks with a clipboard in hand, it’s no substitute for actual field experience, playing time. The more the better. Like, a year, solid. Lots of QBs have bad streaks, but if you yank them, they never get a chance to recover, to climb out of the pit, to build their strength and confidence.
Yeah, I know, T-Jack’s had a lot of chances… but he’s never had an entire year where it was his team, stand or fall.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 10, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, T-Jack’s had a lot of chances… but he’s never had an entire year where it was his team, stand or fall.
Except for 2007 and 2008, you mean. It was his job to lose going into 2008 despite his poor 2007, and he lost it 2 games into 2008. That’s already more starts and seasons GIVEN to most QBs in their careers.
by KC Viking on Oct 10, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not what I mean
I mean, an entire year running the team.
Not play for 2 games, be yanked for 9 games, then go back in for the final 4. Not “his to lose” because we get impatient when the Vikings have two losses in a row.
If Favre decides not to play after this year, T-Jack may have his chance sooner than anyone expects.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be fair
Tjack is not as good a QB as Rodgers, even if he haws more wins. Rodgers does not have AP, and he does not have our defense. tht’s where a lot of whte wins came from, not TJ’s arm.
On the Packer side, it may be the case that EVERY one of those wins came on the QB’s arm. Grant sure as hell hasn’t done anything since he got there, except for a nice spurt the first few games they put him in in 07.
Rodgers is finding out firsthand just how tough Favre had it all those years since Ron Wolf left as their GM, and particularly since Thompson came in as GM — he has to be a one-man show. The only help he is going to have to get more Ws is the few players they draft that develop well, they are going to sign very few FA, and they will end up with lots of weak links, which, sadly for Rodgers becasue some are on the O Line, will most likely get him killed and shorten his career, and in general keep him for getting more Ws
There are very few players that could carry an entire team, with no run game and little defense, like favre did in the first half of 07
by puddnhead on Oct 8, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, plus
Rodgers did not have all of the talent that comes with the 3rd highest payroll in the NFL..
Rodgers played on the 28th payroll last year. Rodgers also had a different schedule than TJ.
Rodgers had 12/16 games with a rating of 80+ in 2008. TJ has done that well only 8x in his career (and only once or twice vs. quality competition).
Rodgers has thrown more than 2 TDs for every INT. Tarvaris Jackson has 20 TD and 18 INTs.
Rodgers has led the league in a statistical category (yards per completion, 2008), and Tarvaris Jackson has not.
There are other details, but I’ve already wasted too much time on an unworthy argument. Aaron Rodgers is absolutely a better QB than Tarvaris Jackson, just as Zack Greinke should win the Cy Young award despite having fewer wins.
by KC Viking on Oct 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say goodnight, gracie...
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Sums Up EVERYTHING!!
If the Packers had thrown Aaron into the dog pit sooner than they did, this wouldn’t even be a discussion because he would’ve ended up like David Carr. T-Jack has managed to WIN! How can you fucking compare Winning to Anything! You Can’t because winning is all that matters! Coming out of a small school, T-Jack has won despite what any of you think! If it is true that your offense revolves around your qb, than it’s obviously not even a real arguement. There is no excuses, because the Vikings started rebuilding with T-Jack right around the time the Packers started out with Aaron. However, the year T-Jack gets the starting notch back will let us know all who really is the better qb, because both would had sat behind a HOF qb. BF in that, and I believe T-jack has more of the “Brett Favre” characteristics than Rodgers.
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 8, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you on drugs????
You can’t be serious..
by packallday555 on Oct 9, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't You READ!
Are you on drugs????/
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 9, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you would take Kyle Orton over Carson Palmer? Pretty sure Orton has a better W-L record that Palmer does.
by Frost on Oct 9, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the guy who considers correlations to be magical.
by Salty on Oct 9, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s gotten to the point I don’t even bother contesting them.
The guy needs to take statistics 101 or something. Or heck, just read teh foreward to the textbook even.
by puddnhead on Oct 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Neither of you Read throughly!
I clearly stated that we would find out which qb is really the best when T-Jack gets the starting job back. But, No, all of you seems to leave at that fact! Maybe if you all JUST READ than you’ll no next time not to make assumptions about what you think you read!
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 9, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the bottom of posts
is your handle, the date and time and then comes a little button, “up.” Click on the up button in my post.
by Salty on Oct 10, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't TJ put out as trade bait when Farve signed
with absolutely no takers offering anything. I am not a TJ fan. I just don’t think he will ever get it. Comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is kind of a T-joke, I hope.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 8, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Y would u hope that!
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 8, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am hoping it was a taut at GB to compare Rogers to TJ rather than
something warranting real analysis.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 8, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Well this FanPost is ridiculous. Give Rodgers the Vikings team from 08’ and I guarantee you he wins more then 10 games. In fact just give him the oline of 08’, and he wins 10+ games. Or give him just AP and he wins 10+ games. Or give him the defense and he wins 10+ games. Get my point?
Jackson was the reason you guys only won 10 games (and I wouldn’t even say he should get credit for those 10 games won, Gus won a good number of them.) Rodgers was the only reason we won 6 games. You put Rodgers on the Vikes, and they probably go 13-3 in 08’, and Jackson probably goes 3-13 for the Packers in 08’.
He’s been annointed the next great QB for a reason. Example 1: Despite being sacked 8 times, and being pressured pretty much every other play he wasn’t sacked, he managed to throw for 384 yards. I would give more but I don’t think it’s needed.
by packallday555 on Oct 9, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So your admitting the Vikings are better than the Packers?
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 9, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think he alrady has, essentially
Stopp rubbing it in. packallday55 is a good guy. And in some future year our turn will come to suck while they are good.
by puddnhead on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
this is the oil they used to anoint him
by Salty on Oct 9, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers been annointed great QB..?
Rodgers has quickly become the most over rated QB in the NFL. The guy is solid. Don’t get me wrong. You can win with him. He is better than Jackson despite the poor winning record. He is consistently accurate when given time and has mobility that comes in handy as well.
But just like W/L is a team stat, so is QB rating. You Packers fans focus only on the positives. Yet you ignore his shortcomings. He was sacked 8 times last Monday in large part to great Vikings pass coverage and pass rush. But 5 of those sacks he had plenty of time to check down or throw the ball away. But he stood there holding it, frozen in time waiting for someone to break free, then was sacked. This is against a Vikings team that gives away the underneath stuff. He also fumbles more than the average QB.
Rodgers has an outstanding WR core. Donald Lee, Finley, Jennings, Driver, Jones, and that surprisingly decent white dude. Plus the Packers use lots of good passing formations where he may have 3 or 4 solid WR options streaking around. You guys talk about how great he’d be given a running game? Put him out there with one or two okay WR’s and a TE and FB, a formation you can run out of effectively, and see if he lights the world on fire. You have to understand how huge of a difference formations make and the fact that all the Packers train for is to be a passing team.
The Vikings had a guy that burst onto the scene and lit it up with a great WR core. His name was Daunte Culpepper. While Daunte’s QB rating and win/loss record was significantly higher than A-Rodg back then, the two have a lot in common in my mind. Both are/were over rated and beneficiaries of good WR’s, passing formations, and passing schemes. Both held the ball forever looking down field. And both couldn’t really find ways to win close games.
If Brett Favre played for the Packers last season they don’t lose 10 games. Period.
by Sand0 on Oct 9, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I totally agree that A.Rodgers is overrated. Not to the point of being bad, but certainly not as good as the media/Packer fans claim. He is an excellent fantasy football QB, which I don’t think can be understated when it comes to reputation. He is a household name because 24 points/game is hard to ignore in fantasy football.
But in the real NFL, throwing tons of yards and a fair amount TDs is not the sole basis of evaluation. It is imperative that one considers things like scheme, WRs, giveaways, game management, ect. Those don’t score squat in fantasy but in real life its what differentiates the good QBs from the great ones.
by Jayrome007 on Oct 9, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sorry but this also needs to be said
During the months of July and Aug., all we heard about was how the Vikings were going to get their ars’s kicked by the great Packer defense, and how stupid the Vikings were for getting that old man named Favre.
Well guess what? The Packer fans were wrong on both counts. The Packers defense isn’t so great. And that old washed up QB named Favre, kicked their ars’s, by scoring 30 points.
Now we hear that Rogers is hampered, because of a poor O-Line. But according to Packer fans, the defense was so good, the offense only needed to score once to win.
So, anyway you cut it, the Packer fans are full of it.
If T-J can’t learn something positive playing behind Favre, he isn’t worth keeping.
As for Rogers, he isn’t what we thought he was.
But neither is the defense we’ve been hearing about all summer long from the Packer fans.
If the Vikings continue getting better each week like they have been, this could be a fun season.
And by the way, Peterson needs some blocking too.
by vnbushman on Oct 10, 2009 2:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is what he thought he was, and more
He is a very prolific quarterback, struggling at times in his first 20 starts, but for the most part playing well, though not spectacular like all the Packer Favre haters & “MVP whispers” were anointing him to be (this year and last).
He is more (in my eye) because he is actually the strength of that team (along with WR & starting perhaps corners) both last year and this year. and, above all else, he has not gotten hurt. Given his past history I would have bet money, without blinking an eye, there was no way he starts every one of his first 20 games. That’s a very big deal over in Cheeseland.
by puddnhead on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T-Jack for the long haul???????
The thing that T-Jack supporters refuse to admit is that he ALWAYS folds under pressure. Even the sports media knows this is true(ESPN brought this up in the week after Farve signed with Minnesota). I’m not sure that is something that he can learn by being in the presence of greatness or any other ’ness. I hope T-Jack can get over is fear of pressure but I have little confidence that is possible. When Chilly shopped him around he got no takers……I think that says something about what other coaches think about him also. I sincerely hope T-Jack can be a good QB b/c we have so much invested in him but I highly doubt he will ever develop into a great QB.
by just another viking on Oct 10, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mechanics
look at his footwork after the snap…his reads after the snap as he drops back….it is just not there…and after 4 TC’s and 3 years trying to start it still isn’t….nice guy…just not a good NFL starter…Its time to move up in the draft to take a QB of the future.
by vikefan1969 on Oct 11, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has to be done
Whether or not T-Jack is ready, it has to be done. We have to go for a QB in round 1, Favre was just a stop-gap measure. The guy’s kicking ass, but we all know he’s not going to last that long.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is
a much more complete and talented QB then TJ is or ever will be…the Packers have some real Oline problems and injuries…this season and last season…they also do not have AP….it is the talent level….and nothing more…we have seen it for years in the NFL….and in fact are seeing it now with our very own team…is there anyone who thinks this team is 4-0 if TJ or Sage were starting?
I would gladly trade AR for TJ any day!
by vikefan1969 on Oct 11, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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