Childress Deal Expected To Be Announced Soon
by TheViking83 on Nov 18, 2009 3:01 PM CST
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With the second half of the season officially underway, the coaching carousel is less two months away from spinning wildly again.
Vikings coach Brad Childress is one coach that doesn't have to worry about his job status anymore. A long-anticipated contract extension is reportedly coming "soon" according to Clark Judge of CBS Sports. Sources tell judge there are no major obstacles left and an announcement is expected.
Childress is expected to double his current $2 million salary after extension talks that lost some momentum around the team's bye week, but has reportedly picked up lately.
We can't help but think of Jon Gruden's comments on Monday Night Football when he said that Brett Favre creates jobs for coaches that work for him.
In Childress' case, Favre is allowing Childress to get a big second contract to keep his job.
A few more years of Mr. Noodle? Can't say I'm thrilled, but I also can't deny the marked improvement of the Vikings over the past three years. Whether it is attributed to the front office, the coaching staff, the players on the field, or a combination of all three, the Chilly-lead Vikes have become a legit SB contender.
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we are all seeing this year what chilly is capable of with a great QB
he built this team
Vikings 4 the superbowl
I think
a ton of credit needs to be given to Rick Spielman. He gets overlooked in this whole thing too much.
we are all seeing this year what chilly is capable of with a great QB
Agreed, but isn’t Chilly supposed to be a QB guru who was going to come in and groom the Vikings QB of the future?? He has certainly failed, and failed hard in that aspect.
Gruden, Rosenthal and a lot of other talking heads have been right when they’ve said that Brett Favre got Chilly his extension. Without stellar QB play from BF, Chilly could be on the hot seat right now. Instead, he’s getting inked long-term.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
And when Favre is gone?
All I can say is that if Zygi is willing to commit long term to Childress I hope he’s also committed to spending as much money on players as the Dan Snyder’s and Jerry Jones’ of the world to keep this team competitive.
Chili’s not in the last year of his deal yet, so there’s no rush to re-sign him if we do want to keep him. Let’s see a couple playoff wins first.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
bad move
or maybe premature. the guy should win something first. he’s got one more year on his current deal what’s the rush?
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 18, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions
I agree
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
I would agree with premature
I think Chilly has done a great job of roster replenishment, but QB, which is his strength, is also his achilles heel. If he doesn’t get a good one after Favre, we’re right back to 2007-2008 type years.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Post Haste!
The rush is simple; he wants to get it while the getting is good, lol! Once Favre retires for real, unless we have a long-term solution behind the center, we’re back to the QB carousel.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Good decision
We have a very good head coach. Through adverse circumstances and endless, sometimes irrational fan criticism, Brad Childress has acted very maturely and thoughtfully. You never see him repeat his mistakes. He is always working to make his team better.
Brad Childress is building a team that is well-balanced and effective in all three phases: offense, defense, and special teams.
I don’t necessarily want a head coach who gives the best press conferences. I want a head coach who gives his team the best possible chance to win. That’s Brad Childress.
When Childress was first hired, I didn’t know what to think. All I knew was that Mike Tice had been for the most part of the problem, from the loss to the Cardinals to Super Bowl ticket scalping to perpetual underachievement to Love Boat. Then Daunte Culpepper started acting out of character. He wouldn’t rehab with the team or meet with the new coach. Childress traded Culpepper to an AFC team for a draft pick, and saved the Vikings $10 million in bonus money that Culpepper would never have earned. At that moment, I knew we potentially had a very good head coach who could make tough, correct decisions in difficult circumstances. It was tough to say goodbye to Daunte Culpepper, but at the time it had to be done. Childress said then how disappointed he was after trading Culpepper because suddenly his team didn’t have a quarterback. As we have seen, our beloved Daunte just isn’t the same football player anymore.
The next major decision for Childress as Vikings head coach was to draft Chad Greenway with the Vikings #1 pick. For years, the Vikings linebacker corps had been undertalented. At last, here was a head coach who recognized what he needed to do with the Vikings. Rebuilding the linebacker corps around EJ Henderson was job #2, after dealing with Culpepper, and Childress made a great draft pick in Greenway. The free agent signing of Ben Leber was also a highly successful move to complete the starting linebackers group.
From there, Childress has made lots of good decisions to build this team. In particular, Childress made the right decisions to draft AD and Percy Harvin when other teams were taking a pass.
We can always talk quarterback, but the bottom line is we’re fine right now because Childress built up this team, added Brett Favre, and the team has rolled along this year, Jackson is still worth keeping because he continues to improve, Rosenfels is a solid veteran backup. The 2010 draft will be rich in quarterbacks. We already have many good options at quarterback for next year.
While I am crediting Childress, credit should also go to Zygi Wilf, Mark Wilf, and the front office guys. A great organization starts at the top. Zygi Wilf has set the new, winning tone for the Vikings. That tone has led the Vikings back into contention, all the while they built a team with high character people.
There are plenty of interesting challenges ahead, including the Seahawks and rest of the season. Then there is the new stadium. If the Brad Childress extension goes through, it will be nice to know the Vikings will have a great head coach for several more years to come.
On to the Seahawks.
While I disagree with a few things you said
sometimes irrational fan criticism
You never see him repeat his mistakes
Childress built up this team
Jackson is still worth keeping because he continues to improve
I appreciate the fact that you’ve made a very well thought out and sound rebuttle. However, every single thing you mentioned is something Childress has done OFF THE SIDELINE. And to be completely honest, all of the wonderful draft and free agent decisions the team has made over the past few years can be attributed to Rick Spielman, VP of Player Personnel, who oversees all college and pro scouting, and Scott Studwell, Director of College Scouting. Without Spielman and Studwell does Chilly have this team put together?? I tend to think, probably not.
ON THE SIDELINE, where coaching counts, Childress has always underwhelmed me. Clock management and playcalling, in particular.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
Let it out
Just repeat this over and over: The Vikings are 8-1. The Vikings are 8-1.
OK, I respect your view, and that’s cool.
In 2006-2007, Childress’s first two years, the Vikings were 6-11 in games decided by 7 points or less.
In 2008-2009, so far, the Vikings are 9-5 in games decided by 7 points or less.
This is another point of evidence that Brad Childress is improving over time as a game management coach, as a game strategist.
by medicineball on Nov 18, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Cupcake teams and lower payrolls
I can only find 2 winning teams in the opponents faced so far (BAL and PIT) in 2009, and BAL seems to be falling apart. Why are there FOURTEEN close games in the past 25 regular season games in the first place?
Let’s break down those 9 close wins:
HOU, GB, NYG (vs. their backups), that crazy sloppy game in NO + 2 vs. the worst team ever (DET) in 2008
3 vs. GB, BAL and SF (barely!) in 2009
TOTAL: 1.5 out of 9 were vs. quality opponents since NYG played their backups vs. Vikes’ starters.
And the 5 close losses:
ATL, TB, CHI, GB, IND, all in 2008
TOTAL: 3.5 were against quality opponents since the Bears got 2 free wins vs. the worst team ever also. Notice how the concentration of quality opponents is much higher in losses.
GRAND TOTAL: 5/14 close games, or less than half, arguably should have been close in the first place. It is important to note that 0/14 had the level of talent as evidenced by payroll as the Vikings.
I’m glad the Childress finally figured out ways to beat the Lions and Rams, but he has yet to prove that he can consistently beat quality opponents.
Right. I’m continually amazed that people cite his improved records without any sort of attempt at separating his coaching from his stacked (thanks largely to an aggressive owner) roster. Can’t we wait until he wins a game he’s not supposed/expected to first? Or a playoff game? It’s been 3+ years and he doesn’t have such a signature win yet.
I found this quote recently in an interview with Bill Belichick:
Cole: Jimmy Johnson once said, if you don’t take too many risks, you can win nine or 10 games a year.
Belichick: Jimmy probably said the same thing to you that he once said to me: "You’re really only competing with about 10 teams a year. If you just say out of the way, the other 20 teams will screw it up themselves. Whether it’s ownership or personnel or coaching or some combination of factors." Ego, internal struggle, something will happen to two-thirds of the teams, that was Jimmy’s theory. That leaves you with about 10 teams that you’re going to have to really battle with. Those teams have it together. They’re going to make good decisions and if you play bad football, they’re going to take advantage of it. They’re going to find some undrafted guy or some middle-round pick or some veteran free agent who is going to spark their team. Pittsburgh is always going to be there. Indianapolis is always going to be there. They may not win it, but they’ll be there. You’re going to have to beat them. Philadelphia is going to be there. Yeah, [quarterback Donovan] McNabb might get hurt one year and they might go 7-9, but they’re going to be there. You’re still battling them on every front.
Would anyone say the Vikings under Childress should be considered one of the 10 teams (or whatever, probably doesn’t mean it literally) out there that really has their stuff together, top to bottom, year in year out? I can’t say they’re there yet. The question is can they get there under Chilly? I’m not sure, myself. But that’s the standard I’d expect if I were re-upping a coach longterm.
Good points
The Vikings had the 9th best W-L record in 2008, but it would have been lower with better teams in GB and DET. Other than that, no, the Vikings have not been a top 10 team in any of the past 3 years. It is possible this year, but you’re absolutely correct that nothing has been proven yet.
Well I hate this
but he has been improving. If he keeps this team like this for a couple of years we will be one of those teams. We’ve seen what he does with adversity (buy himself out of it) now lets see what he can do when he finally has the stacked deck he’s been looking for. Do I think he gets 4 mil for the next 5 years for this? Probably not. He still hasn’t shown he’s a good enough coach to take a good team to great hieghts.
I want to believe
The team’s record has improved (after an initial drop), but let’s hope that ownership/management will draw conclusions from games vs. quality teams and playoff games.
Style points don't count in the NFL
In the NFL, any team can beat any team. If you win by 1 point over a team with a much worse record, that is still good, because it’s a win. In the college game, if the Gophers beat the Jackrabbits by 3 points, that is considered a terrible blow to the Gophers because they didn’t win in blow out fashion. It’s different in the NFL.
by medicineball on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I wish that were true
Did you notice how the 2008 Vikings barely beat the worst team ever 2x and then fell flat on their faces in the playoffs against a real team (not even a SB team)?
Giants vs. Patriots, Super Bowl
The Giants won despite losing the style point battle over the course of the season to the Patriots.
by medicineball on Nov 19, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Your own example proves you wrong
The Patriots looked better than they were by winning six games vs. the weakest division in the NFL plus two vs. losers Ravens and Bengals and another game vs. the 8-8 Eagles (worst team in that division). A majority of their 16 regular season games were against bad teams. They only played 3 games within 7 points of the opponent, twice against bad teams.
When the Giants and Patriots played during the regular season, it was one of those 3 close games. By my logic, it demonstrated that the Patriots were beatable (just like the Vikings-Lions games demonstrated that the Vikings were actually weak). Your reasoning (Childress is good because the Vikings are 9-5 in close games) would have suggested that the Pats were all that, but the quality of the opponent(s) is important.
The Giants won in the Super Bowl on a ridiculous helmet catch after Eli broke a tackle. Were that replayed 100x, the Giants would win maybe 2% of the time, and that’s probably being generous. Were the game replayed 100x, I’m sure the Giants would win close to 50% of the time.
because the talent on the field is human
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 19, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
But why pay a coach a boatload of money if any team can beat any team? It would make far more sense to save $ were that the case.
quite a discussion
I appreciate everybody’s views. It looks like we just disagree. I respect your point of view.
by medicineball on Nov 19, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree and disagree with you.
While Chilly has made some mistakes and still does on occasion, which coach never has? Even after all the Super Bowls, Bill Walsh had his flubs. Look at Sunday Night, Belichek went on a 4th down, Colts won.
No, it’s not Chilly who built this team up, I agree, but it is his to groom them. Now I will disagree about T-Jack ever being a starter until I see otherwise, but if something happens and this season goes to crap, do we just fire Chilly? Wouldn’t Spielman and Studwell have as much blame too and should be fired? All three are tied together along with Ziggy. But a coach does have alot of input on draft day, including Chilly. Going back to Bill Walsh, guess who it was that got the team talked into drafting Joe Montana?
So yes, I see your points and the other points as well. But all in all, the coach does the grooming on the sidelines, and does input especially on draft day off the sidelines. He still has room for improvement, but has come along way.
We could always be stuck with Dickless Jauron or and be talented in alot of players and yet not doing much.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 18, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
"but if something happens and this season goes to crap, do we just fire Chilly?"
I think it would depend on why the season went to crap.
If the Vikes lose because of bad play-calling, like running on 3rd&9 when they’re down 2-possessions.
Or if the team loses composure and starts losing games because of penalties and poor clock management, then Chilly should be fired.
IMO, Chilly is damn-lucky Favre said yes. The Vikes wouldn’t be 8-1 w/out Favre. They would probably be 5-4ish w/Jacksonfels, and struggling like the rest of the NFC.
Yes
Because with T-Jack, the play book would be closed and probably with Sage but that is of yet an unknown. If we had a string of injuries to derail things, no, you couldnt blame anything on anyone.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, injury's are uncontrolable, I agree with that,
but what if Favre goes down, and the Vikes lose in the playoffs w/Jackson, should Chilly be fired then?….I think so.
In this particular case
No, I dont think he should. By signing a veteran and trading for Sage, upgrade or not with Sage, to me say’s that he admits Jackson may not be what we need, even if he is on the roster as back-up over Sage. So with this year, wether or not Favre plays to the end or something bad happens and goes on the IR, he did address that situation, so it injury to QB, I would cut him slack this year.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 19, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
If we were healthy and it came down to conservative plays, yes, I would want his head. And that is why my feeling was wait till the off season to go down the extension route. Please see my post below.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I just want to see Chilly win a playoff game before they give him an extension.
IMHO…Chilly needs to win. No-matter who they play, and no-matter who the QB is. Favre or Jackson, Chilly needs to win at least 1 playoff game. :)
If Chilly wins the SB, I’ll build a statue of him in my front yard..lol.
Go Vikes…“Mission Miami”
Right now, I think it’s just better to wait till the end of the season. Not as a “Show me what you got” but more for no distractions. My thought is though, if this season somehow, please God don’t let ’03 happen again, implodes, wait over the course of his final season. If we go deep in the playoffs or, please God bestow it upon us, we win the Super Bowl, then yes, sign him.
I’ve been harsh, critical of Chilly in the past, just like I was with Green, Burns, and kinda just started learning the rules and such towards the end of Grants run. Yes, I’m omitting that cluster f&%k of a ’83 abortion. I will say this, with a good QB, how things can change.
We do have better time management, we do make better review calls, and now with a QB who still has an arm at his age, the play book has been opening up more and more.
Yeah, I jumped Chilly’s chit (I kept the “s” out Gonz ;-).) a few weeks ago when he didnt try a pass play after we went from 1st and goal to 4th and goal. Some people got tweaked about that, saying I would never be happy………WRONG! The past three games…….guess what he did? He had Favre throw a pass. Sure, twice it didnt work, and sadly, the one time it did against the Steelers, it got called back on a stupid penatly…..or I think it was that play, might be wrong. Yikes.
Anyways, the point Im making, is he HAS improved over the last 3 years and now with a QB who can handle pressure, think and throw, things are gelling nicely. And right now, at the end of the season, I would have no problems with Chilly getting an extension if we do indeed “go deep”.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
Good point
How many players will expect extensions and sweetened deals by week 12 or 13 if their coach is taken care of for 1/2 a season?
I agree
Chilly is getting better and I believe Brett will help him in that regard as well. Now he’ll know what to expect of his future QB’s. I hate to say it but Chilly’s previous QB experience was McNabb and I’ve always felt bad for Philly for having what appeared to be a great QB who just can’t ever seem to get it done.
Also, who would you get if you tossed Chilly? Most of the coaches waiting in the wings are not great finds and of the ones who would be decent many of them have flat out stated they will not coach this year. I have issues with Chilly as well, a lot of them, but this is his first head coaching job and he is improving. I just wish he had a assistant to call plays inside the 2 minutes…
Well stated
8-1 is awesome, we love it, it’s great…. but let’s see the finished product on the year.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
+1
no team has ever won a playoff game, let alone a superbowl with only 8 wins.
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 20, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Chilly
Had AD and Harvin fall to him in draft…And Chilly does not make these personel decisions on his own…But he is in control on conservative play calling and majority of time having best player in league on bench most 3rd downs..Which is still unbelieveable
I reeeeaaaallly hoped we could discuss this at the end of the year.
Let’s see how the ENTIRE year plays out before we hand Mr. Noodle more money.
by Eric J. Thompson on Nov 19, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions
+1
i don’t think he’s the kind of coach that can win the big games. but then again who even needs a coach!
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 19, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
exactly!
I mean… he just stands on the sideline… he never takes a snap, makes a tackle, or kicks the ball.
worthless.
/sarc off
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 20, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
End of the Season
We have a long way to go between now and February, Wilf shouldn’t even be entertaining the issue yet. Is this another media-driven manufactured issued, or are Chilly and Wilf actually talking about this?
Also…. seems to me that there’s a number of primo HCs that are currently not on any team’s roster, who just might be interested in getting involved again. Let’s say that Chilly takes the Vikings to the NFC Championship (IMO, the minimum he has to do to have a chance of keeping his job), but no further… and Jon Gruden is interested in returning? Or maybe Dungy wants to return to his roots? There’s half a dozen top-rated HCs floating around out there, all WAY too young for real retirement, that might find the opportunity of stepping into a well-primed team too much to resist. Would hate to be locked into the Chilly-solution if that came along.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
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