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The Beginning of the End


Some people believe the runestone in Kensington, Minnesota is fake.   Or perhaps the stone's author knew more about writing in runes than some ivory tower folks who are centuries removed from it being commonplace. 

In the future, perhaps people will wonder if the NFL Vikings ever visited Minnesota as well.   Just reflect on the original Vikings.  Look around the state and you may notice some Nordic-descended residents, but if the real Vikings ever came to what is now Minnesota in the olden days, they did not remain there, unless perhaps they have intermarried with the prior residents and perhaps are now working at a casino somewhere.  Maybe some casino will save the NFL team, but I really doubt it at this stage.

The point is that once the current NFL Vikings are gone, they won't be back.    If you think the other NFL owners are eager to extend charity to the north star state because they have some flag written in French, please clean your glasses, get the wax out of your ears, and listen to Cowboy's owner Jerry Jones.   If Minnesota fumbles, the refs will not overrule it on a replay.

NFL football will not return, so just get ready for arena football.   Maybe they'll take the arena team's colors from some other high school team and you will be happy.   Maybe you'll really enjoy not hearing about the Minnesota Vikings on ESPN any more.    

Whatever happens, my take is that this is the begining of the end.  What the stadium commission just did is throw the first punch, and the heated part of the fight is on.  

Zygi Wilf and company own the Vikings, not Minnesota.   So if they get disgusted enough to lateral the football to billionaire Ed Roski out in Los Angeles, Ed is never going to let go.   He's recently finished building his new digs for the Lakers, and he's got the Guvernator clearing the path for his coming football stadium outside LA.

Here's an article from mndaily.com about the commission's offer:  http://www.mndaily.com/2009/11/20/hold-berserk-keep-vikings     

Eric is a good Nordic name.  I think he sizes things up in Minnesota rather well in his article.

I don't know Zygi Wilf that much, but I did shake his hand once after hearing him speak at a chamber of commerce meeting.   I believe he had good intentions in coming to Minnesota, certainly a lot better than those intentions of the ancient Viking explorers, but the thing I remember most was the fire in his eyes when he said he was not one to let other NFL owners push him around.   That was back when they had grabbed Hutch from Seattle.   I'm certain the actions the stadium commission just took made him want to get mad as hell.   But as the Kennedy's always said, don't get mad, get even... 

This FanPost was created by a registered user of The Daily Norseman, and does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of the site. However, since this is a community, that view is no less important.

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Yeah, I don't know what the MSFC was thinking

on that one. If it was to highlight the fact to the legislature that the Vikings aren’t going to renew the lease, there were better ways to go about doing it.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Nov 20, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

2 and 1/2 years to work out a solution and you have just given up. Nice! It’s attitudes like that that will allow the Vikings to move. The complacent, oh, someone else will get them, oh, what can we do, oh, maybe the politicians will do something, oh, uh, waaaah let me suck my thumb!

Go stick your head in the sand somewhere else!

I may no longer live in Minnesota, but I’ll be damned if I will go down without a fight. I have joined up the savethevikings.org and the Vikings stadium drive and have looked at anything else to join to make my voice heard. I have started emailing the morons in the capitol. Will they listen? Probably not since I am no longer living there, but at least I’m NOT backing down quietly and shouting to these jerks as loud as I can. And I do believe the majority of Minnesotans will as well.

However, too you and who ever else wants to go cry to Mommy and Daddy in the corner like a spoiled 4 year old who just got his candy stolen, go find another team to bandwagon behind and let the real fans and supporters of not only the Vikings but Minnesota as well take the lead and get the heads of the political hacks in St. Paul unstuck from the crap holes. Please move to L.A. and leave the Vikings to us.

"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"

by VikesFaninNM on Nov 20, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is probably a little more harsh than I could ever be...

…but you make a good point. We can’t just wait for it to happen, people are going to have to fight to keep the Vikings here (if it is even true that they might move out to LA). Can you imagine Minnesota without the Vikings? I can’t either. Something has to be done, and just giving up is kinda lame.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Nov 20, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Harsh or not, I’m just so F’in tired of people taking the “Oh well, what can we do, it’s over.” stance so early on. There were some who did that 10 years ago with the Twins. A few out there had the “Never say Die” attitude and the last time I checked, the Twins weren’t going anywhere anytime soon. People layed down and played dead with the North Stars. Yeah, I know Norm Green was an idiot and I hope he burns in hell when his time comes, but things could have been done instead of the “Oh, I don’t like the guy so I won’t go watch the team”. The B.S. and whiny “boo hoo poor pitiful us” attitude has to stop and the Capitol building shake with the “To hell with you, get it done” attitude.

"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"

by VikesFaninNM on Nov 21, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, this post was nothing but giveupittude

We will win. The Minnesota Vikings will get a new stadium! We just have to fight for it.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 21, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Nov 21, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

...I was agreeing with you.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Nov 21, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know, just saying why some people tweak me with their attitudes. Nothing against you what so ever

"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"

by VikesFaninNM on Nov 21, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No worries :)

Some people suck, I think that’s a sentiment everyone can agree with.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Nov 22, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is just the game of football...

now being played out on the political playfield.

The MSFC is showing ‘Blitz’…
Wilf and Co. just motioned Bagley to the left.

Time for an audible.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 20, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I firmly believe

that the Vikings and the legislature will get something done at the 11th hour, like they did with the Twins. I justy don’t see how this ultimatum by the MSFC was productive in any way to gettin this issue resolved.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Nov 20, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Cop. Bad Cop.

The MSFC wants a new stadium for the Vikings as much as the Vikings do. The area of downtown where the Metrodome is becomes a cesspool without a major tenant in whatever is built there. Especially now that the “condo revolution” is over.

They did what they did to rattle some cages and get people fired up. We’re talking about it, so it looks like it’s working.

The dome has already lost most of it’s revenue streams as events keep moving to less crappy venues. The MSFC needs to get people riled up to get the dome situation fixed ASAP because it’s as much as drain on them as it is the Vikings.

And as for the 11th hour saving of the Twins I hope there are a few people with pitchforks and torches at the ready for when they fail to re-sign Mauer. There’s a lot of money we’re never getting back! $#()+#%$ Pohlads!

A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.

by dwarg on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I think the MSFC could use that angle

as another incentive to lobby for a new stadium. I agree they’re doing the good cop/bad cop to some extent, but you nailed it with this quote:

The dome has already lost most of it’s revenue streams as events keep moving to less crappy venues.

If they approach the legislature as not only losing the Vikings, but NCAA tournament games, Super Bowl, stadium concerts, etc., they might make headway with the legislature AND not piss off the Vikings.

I really think this move caught the Vikings off guard, at least somewhat, and they’re genuinely pissed.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Nov 21, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Shiancoe Said on his Ustream when I asked him will the Vikes move to LA!
LA? Man they have everything, I mean they’ve got so much down there already. Plus the Chargers are not far away!

Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?

by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 20, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Crapola....

I prefer to think this is a couple’s dance….and they end up kissing and making up at the end of the dance….

Would be a REAL tearjerker otherwise….I hate UN happy endings…..

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Nov 20, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The ultimate "Debbie Downer" post

I think (And hope) that there will be a new stadium and both sides will end up spending more than they thought they would, but the Viking will stay in MN.

Do something about it. Savethevikes.org is a good place to start.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 20, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just don't believe it.

I hate the Vikings, but I don’t want them going anywhere. I kind of like having them around to stew over. How’s a self-respecting Packer fan supposed to get worked up about playing a team from LA?

This looks more like political maneuvering than a real sign they’re going to let them go. The city doesn’t want a dome without a tenant and they want to make sure that concern doesn’t get lost in the shuffle. For the politicians, this is all about not being the person who gets blamed for losing the team OR the person who gets blamed for spending the better part of a billion taxpayer dollars on a sporting facility in this economy.

I didn’t follow the politics behind the Twins deal, but this has always seemed like the tougher sell, because the Vikings haven’t always enjoyed the good will the Twins have. In Milwaukee (Brewers), the political process that eventually got the stadium built took 15 years or more. There were stops and starts and days it looked like they were gone for sure, and aside from the few die-hards on either side that were committed to their cause, most of the politicians were just trying to find a way to not lose their jobs in the aftermath by not casting the deciding vote one way or another.

It was sort of those nature shows where the penguins line up on the edge of the ice sheet hoping someone else would jump in first and get eaten by the sea leopard so the rest of them could get some lunch while the monster was busy eating someone else.

In the end, they crafted a bill that screwed the taxpayers in southeastern Wisconsin worse than it did the rest of the state, and representatives from Superior to Green Bay to Prairie du Chien jumped on board. The Milwaukee folks were in favor, of course, because they benefited the most. But Racine and Kenosha reps balked because they were footing the bill without getting the economic boost. In the end, a rep from Racine, George Petak, cast his vote in favor and the bill passed.

Petak lost his next reelection bid, because his constituents got the shaft in the deal, and because he was the guy everyone perceived as casting the deciding vote. I’m sure losing his political career sucked, but he managed to retire to a consulting business (which I’m just going to assume gets a lot of business from political types who are grateful for that vote), and he was feted as a hero when Miller Park opened. If he had voted no, someone else would have lost their job for losing the team.

They don’t think of it that way, I’m sure, but basically the pols in MN are just trying not to be George Petak.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 21, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fans & Citizens To Rally At State Capitol Thursday, December 3rd From 2pm-6pm

Fans & Citizens To Rally At State Capitol Thursday, December 3rd From 2pm-6pm
Don’t hold back! Cause there’s a party over here, so you might as well be here, where the people care…
Don’t hold back! If you think about it too much, you may stumble, trip up, fall on your face…
Don’t hold back! It’s time that you get up, crunch time, like a sit up, come on keep pace…
Don’t hold back! Put apprehension on the back burner, let it sit, don’t even get it lit…
[Minnesota], you’re holding back, the time has come to… GALVANIZE!!! –the Chemical Brothers, Galvanize

So you say you bleed purple…

I’ve heard that phrase countless times through the years. Hell, I’ve said that countless times through the years.

"I bleed purple."

1998: I bled purple. More accurately, I cried purple at the hands of defeat and a premature knee, courtesy of Dennis Green and the Atlanta Falcons in the NFC Championship game.

"I bleed purple."

2001: I bled purple. The NY football Giants defeated my team, my Vikes, 41-0 in the NFC Championship game.

"I bleed purple."

2005: I bled purple. On February 25, Randy Moss was traded to the Oakland Raiders for Napoleon Harris and a few draft picks.

"I bleed purple"

I know I am not the only one who bled purple on those days. I know generations before me bled purple during fumbles that turned to interceptions, bad calls that cost us games, and, of course, lost Super Bowls.

But for every heartbreak, there are those times that keep us coming back: Tarkenton, Rashad, the Purple People Eaters, AC, Cunningham to Moss, Culpepper to Moss, Carter (‘cuz all he does is catch touchdown passes), Robert Smith, Moss’ lateral to Mo Williams, Chester Taylor and ADRIAN PETERSON, Kevin Williams, Pat Williams and Jared Allen, Percy Harvin, Antoine Winfield and Brett FAVRE!
But no previous amount of bleeding purple will even begin to match what I will bleed if we lose our team, our culture, our history, our major downtown economic source 10 Sundays a year. I know you will bleed too.

CITIZENS OF MINNESOTA & MINNESOTA VIKINGS FANS: THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL!

Over the last 6 months my technical team and I have built a platform for you, the fan and citizen, to stand on and voice your opinion. Where the media wouldn’t give you a voice to express your sense of urgency, SavetheVikes.org has. When nobody wanted to start conversations about a stadium issue, SavetheVikes.org did. Where there was an opportunity to bring you a single source of answers around the Minnesota Vikings stadium issue, SavetheVikes.org delivered just that. SavetheVikes.org has given you, the Minnesota Vikings fans, the citizens of Minnesota and beyond, a conduit to the media, community and State Legislature to stand up and LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD.

Now the time has come to put a face to that voice. I am asking all of you to bleed purple with me. I have invested thousands of dollars of my personal income to finance this effort. I am stretched just as thin as the rest of you. My technical team has spent countless sleepless nights making my vision a reality. We have bled purple, WILL YOU?
Will you leave work early to come and show your support at the Capitol? Will you make plans to have somebody pick up the kids so you can come to the Capitol on Thursday December 3rd? Will you prove to me, the State, the Minnesota Vikings and the NFL, that fan support isn’t just about joining a group on Facebook or pushing some tweets and emails around? Will you stand with me at the Capitol and have your support be seen and voice be heard?

NOW is the time to act. NOW is the time to get behind Edwards, Williams, Williams and Allen. Now its 4th and 1 on our goal line. Will you stand behind them, along with me and fellow fans, to defend one of our state’s cultural and economic resources? Will you stand up for more jobs, more contract opportunities, and increased revenue to the state and its economy? Will you stand shoulder to shoulder with me and look the State Legislature in the eye and prove once again that this is America? And will you help me show that in America the people speak loudest and not some self-serving facilities committee?

Now is your time to prove once and for all that you bleed purple. You can prove it by making the extra calls, sending the extra emails to make it down in numbers to 75 Martin Luther King Jr Drive, St Paul, MN. You can prove you truly bleed purple by inviting your neighbor, your friends, your family, coworkers, church and children. YOU can make the difference, because without you, it’s only me.

On Thursday, December 3rd, will you make the statement to the media, to the Midwest, and to the Legislature by coming down and proving through a force of numbers that we WILL BE HEARD? Will you shut out the opposition and keep the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission (MSFC) from railroading this project another 2 years, exponentially driving up the cost of the project and delaying jobs and economic growth? Will you step up by bringing everybody you can fit into your car or truck? Will you stand with me and prevent the MSFC from running another team out of town?

WILL YOU PROVE DEFINITIVELY, THAT, ONCE AND FOR ALL, YOU BLEED PURPLE? THEN BE THERE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 3rd FROM 2pm-6pm.

STAND UP AND DEFEND YOUR MINNESOTA VIKINGS!

What you can do RIGHT NOW to make this a successful and impactful event:
Mark your calendar with the following:
-State Capitol fan rally Thursday, December 3rd from 2pm-6pm.

-Tuesday, November 24th and Tuesday December 1st , 8am is the day to post and ask all of your social networks to post exactly this in your/their status: REPOST IN YOUR STATUS: Vikings stadium rally MN Capitol Thurs, Dec 3rd from 2-6pm! Come show your support! www.SavetheVikes.org for details!

-Copy this post/forward this email to everyone you know and ask them to do the same!

-Email your reps by going to www.savethevikes.org/huddle-up/ to find their contact info, and let them know you will be at the Capitol to show your support for the Legislature to work with the Vikings to find a way to build a stadium and keep the team in Minnesota!

-Post this entire letter onto your blog, print off and post in the office break room, and anywhere else you can post it.

-Make preparations now to be able to attend the event (e.g. time off request, babysitter, transportation, etc.)
Can’t wait to see YOU there!

Cory Merrifield
Founder/Fan Advocate
SavetheVikes.org
cory.merrifield@savethevikes.org

Cory Merrifield
Founder/Fan Advocate
SavetheVikes.org

by SavetheVikes.org on Nov 21, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Luck, Cory

The fans in Cleveland sat around saying somebody would do something. The legislature would do something. The team would just have to wait. The Browns have always been a part of Cleveland. Somebody would do something. Somehow no one remembered that the Rams were once part of Cleveland too.
     
Well, somebody did do something. People in Baltimore talked Art Modell into moving the team, and they won the Super Bowl as the Ravens, coached by a former Viking offensive coordinator. There are no Cleveland Brown Super Bowl rings.

The original Vikings did not plan to come to Minnesota to marry the Indians and vanish, but they are gone, just like the dodo and the passenger pigeon..

There is always the danger of unintended consequences. Once you start to play hardball, somebody is going to get hurt. Just don’t feel insulted when I laugh at you after the move and people start saying they were betrayed by the owner. I have heard that line before. If you run your franchise out of business, there is another town waiting to take it. They call this competition. It’s how America works. You cannot keep a business in town by charging them more rent.

Times are worse than they were in 1995. If you don’t pay the bill, they throw you out of your home. Your wanting to stay there won’t matter.

I haven’t given up. I’ve moved to California, where someone is doing something about it.
He’s building a stadium outside LA. The picture shows nice purple seats. If you think that is a coincidence, have a nice day.

I’ve given the rest of you a heads up.

Whatever you do is your call.

by Elgar on Nov 21, 2009 2:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm A MINNESOTA VIKINGS fan not a LA VIKINGS

or any other Vikings’ fan! This sucks, how could the Gophers possibly be more important than the Vikings? (Football Wise) This is just plain out wrong. Maybe if the Vikings can find a way to get a new stadium built, we could avoid being in the Metrodome and use one of the new stadiums for one year while the stadium is being built!

Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?

by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 21, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They will have to play in one of the other stadiums until a new one is built. All plans the Wilfs/MSC have presented do include the current Dome site. Right now, the most logical stadium to host the Vikings for the needed 2 seasons would be TCF since it could have temporary bleachers added to increase capacity. The Target, only built for the Twins, can hold a maximum of 40,000. But, perhaps, some will start realizing, once the rest of us get more vocal, is that it is unfair for the Twins and Gophers to be the only one’s in new homes. Yes, the Twins have won the Series and deserve it. The Gophers got a new home and other then a few minor Bowl appearances, have not shown much since their last National Championship run’s in the 1960’s. The T-Wolves just got a major redo of the Center 5 years ago and of course, it took a new arena to get the NHL back here. Time to step up for the Vikings now who have a rich history in the State of Minnesota.

"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"

by VikesFaninNM on Nov 21, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing you're right about

Eric is a good Nordic name. :)

by ericj69 on Nov 23, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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