No Interest in NFL in LA, eh?
Yes, there are as many incorrect statements being made about why the Vikings will never move to LA as there are lakes in Minnesota.
Here is a link to the newly-published answer to those morons you encounter who will constantly tell you there is no real interest in the NFL in LA:
http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_13844153
Yes, that's right: They already have over 105,000 requests for season tickets for a yet-to-be constructed stadium featuring a yet-to-be-determined NFL team.
The real problem has been finding affordable real estate in a neighborhood out here where you won't be mugged and clearing any environmental issues. Unlike Minnesota, California has a governor who acts to support the future of pro football, and has cleared away the state environmental hoops for the new field.
If you haven't heard, Ed Roski, the man behind the new California stadium, doesn't need public funding. He makes Zygi look positively impoverished.
There are other ways of funding stadium improvements in Minnesota than taxing everyone. If serious consideration isn't given to finding a workable Minnesota solution now, Ed will be more than happy to take the problem of where the Vikings can play (and make money doing it) off your hands, and I'll be laughing as I watch someone try to explain to you on TV why they need to use your tax dollars to tear down the Metrodome.
Better suit up and come in off the bench.
California: We beat Wisconsin at making cheese. You're next. California's economy is in trouble, so we'd be quite happy to steal part of yours.
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I'm Confused, Is Minnesota
The most likely team to move, because I thought there were more teams that could possibly move as well?
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 22, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are.
Buffalo and Jacksonville, for two examples. But Buffalo is probably addressing its problem by playing some games in Canada. That will likely either prevent any move at all or facilitate an eventual move across the lake, either scenario probably knocks LA out of the picture.
Jacksonville’s season ticket base is awful, which is pretty bad for a team that had as much success early in their existence as the Jaguars did. It’s a small TV market whose economy is getting worse and the current ownership was rumored to be willing to sell pretty recently. Of all the teams that look like candidates to move, they seem like the best choice from an economic perspective. The problem is that the Jags are locked into a lease until 2030 and the NFL (which benefits from an anti-trust exemption) probably isn’t all that keen on pissing off members of congress (who can revoke that exemption) by breaking a lease 20 years early and leaving a city with an empty stadium that requires millions of dollars in maintenance. While that’s been done before, it hasn’t happened all that often recently and the last time it happened (Cleveland to Baltimore, Houston to Tenn.) the move was accompanied by a league promise to expand within 3 years to fill those markets again.
The Vikings lease happens to be ending (if I understand things correctly) at the same time that someone’s building a new stadium out in LA on spec. So the Vikings are getting the brunt of the “will they or won’t they” talk right now. Imagine how much worse it would be if Z really WANTED to move out of Minnesota, which doesn’t appear to be the case. If he did, your only hope would be Goodell stepping in to keep it from happening. As things stand, the teams appears to want to stay and I’m sure that the commissioner’s office wants to keep them there. If the State acts, the Vikes stay. It’s as simple as that.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not understanding your post either
If the point of your post is that the Vikings could be sold I agree. If your point is that no one in Minnesota believes that ,I disagree. Of course the Vikings could be sold. So could the Pittsburg Steelers. Neither is likely. Here is why.
Any sale must be approved by the other owners. Bad teams hurt the league. Bad teams losing money hurt the league more. The Bills are a bad team that loses money. The Saint Louis Rams are a bad team that loses money. The Bills will either go to Toronto or L.A. The Rams will probably be bought by a local team.
Good teams that lose money:
Jacksonville and the Vikes. The Jags don’t have a fan base and need to move. Three teams in Florida are to many.
Vikings don’t lose as much money and have a solid fan base.
If the Vikings don’t get a new stadium I still think that the owners will only approve a Bills or Jacksonville sale.
Now for the record if I’m a businessman that has the opportunity to sell the Vikes at a substantial profit I would be very interested. Unfortunately Ziggy hasn’t been in the league long enough to build the votes he needs to get this done.
by lifelongvike on Nov 22, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The trouble is, the other team owners feel the Vikings aren’t pulling their share of the weight in terms of bringing in profits, they’re the ones pushing for EITHER a new stadium OR move to a better venue that will make more money. They feel that they’re carrying the Vikings, profit-wise. So approval within the owners group would probably go through.
The people of Minnesota need to demonstrate that they really want the Vikings to stay, and they’re willing to pay for a stadium to make it so. So far, they demonstrate ambivalence at best, outright hostility at worse (if one pays attention to the Trib). They just got done building two other, special-purpose stadiums for other teams, so the bias isn’t anti-sports, it’s anti-Vikings. A Super Bowl victory would change that, I think. Possibly the team’s showing this year will be enough, but without going all the way, I wouldn’t count on it. Too much hostility.
I’m not too keen on LA myself…. Virginia would be better. Never gonna happen, despite “Virginia Vikings” having a snappy sort of ring to it :).
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Nov 23, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not anti-Vikings
Why didn’t the Vikings JUMP at the chance to share a stadium with the Gophers? That made 100% sense, but they said no. It’s not like the people of Minnesota haven’t tried to accomodate them.
by KC Viking on Nov 23, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding was that the Gophers didn’t want a huge stadium, and the Vikings needed one.
I’m not saying the Vikings aren’t at fault, but if you listen to the Minny newspaper comments, and count the pro-Vikings comments vs the con-Vikings comments, the anti-Viking posters outnumber the pro-Vikings posters by about 55%-45%. For a politico, that’s easy math.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Nov 23, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More to the math
The Vikings’ stadium issue could be different, but the loudest voice in a political debate is often in the minority, whether it’s gun control (most Americans support it, but about 10% of the population lobbies very loudly against any form of it and wins) or health care (the loudest people ever to attend town hall meetings were opposed to any sort of health care reform with a public option, even though more than 60% of Americans have considered this an important issue in need of reform, many for 15+ years), ethanol from corn (inefficient, but has a strong lobby) vs. ethanol from sugar (efficient, but lacks a lobbying presence), more assassinated doctors who performed abortions and more bombed womens’ health clinics than violence vs. anti-abortion activists, etc.
Are we certain that die-hard fans who tailgate at Vikings games even read the newspapers, online or otherwise?
by KC Viking on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All I know for sure is this; No stadium, no MINNESOTA Vikings. It’s just that simple.
The politicos are going to do whatever they think it will take to get re-elected, and they’re going to be watching closely in 2010 because while the majority of Americans want health care reform, the majority do not want the monstrosity that Congress is currently concocting and this time, people are taking careful note of who supported what.
Politically, Minnesota has been grotesque for some time at the top of the food chain, with Jesse Ventura, Tim Pawlenty, and Al Franken, there’s just not a lot of reason to expect intelligent interest at the top. The only way it’s going to happen is through a grass roots movement, and Vikings fans are going to have demonstrate, loudly and actively, that they’re a voting bloc to be reckoned with.
Absent that, in 2012, I’ll probably be cheering for the LA Vikings, with absolutely nothing good to say about Minnesota, ever again.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Nov 23, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said there was no interest in the NFL in LA?
OK, so there’s interest in the NFL in LA. Now what, eh?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 22, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Since the Rams moved and Raiders failed
The knock on LA is that the fans are fair weather fans. They show up when a team wins but don’t when they lose. Like that is any different than most franchises. But the Rams left and the Raiders left because they couldn’t make any money at the old stadium. There was 0 interest in building a new one. Now that they have been without a team and the stadium is coming both the NFL and the fan base are interested.
by lifelongvike on Nov 22, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And reading alot of posts over the last few days, there are more then not who are still hoo hum on the idea and said driving out to Industry is too far away. So again, L.A. viable? only if a new stadium is built, and this isn’t the first time one has been proposed and land set aside for nothing. While that doesn’t mean we should let up, and L.A. for not only the Vikes, but the Jags and Bills are a threat, it would still be 2011 before the Vikes would be able to commit to heading out there and even then, the stadium would more then likely not be ready. We still sell out, there is fan support, just not political support and thats where we all need to concentrate on. The Jags are the only team I can see going to L.A. if they ever get another team. No sell outs, 60% full stadium and a lack luster following.
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by VikesFaninNM on Nov 22, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of Profits
From what I read, the NFL owners operate under a profit-sharing scheme. The Vikings are one of the most under-performing teams in the NFL, profit-wise, and in the opinion of the other owners, the cure is a new, bigger stadium with better amenities. That’s why the owner of the Cowboys was up in Minnesota going to bat for the a new Vikings stadium, they want the Vikings to carry their own weight and they don’t want to pay Ziggy if Ziggy’s team doesn’t make it’s fair share.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Nov 23, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings HELP the economy
The politicians need to understand that the Vikings are a big part of the economy. That’s why California wants to steal them.
by medicineball on Nov 22, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is where the league should step in
Teams are NFL franchises, and the league itself makes tons of money, so why doesn’t the league contribute to NFL stadiums? As I understand it, in other national franchises like McDonald’s, the franchise owners are not required to build the restaurants on their own. The Twin Cities are definitely in the top 32 markets (plus the above average interest from its population), so the NFL has a vested interest in keeping a team in MN, just as they had a vested interest in keeping a team in CLE. Taxpayers will be more likely to support picking up part of the bill whenever the billionaire owners and NFL front office decide to pitch in their share, too.
by KC Viking on Nov 22, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the nfl does contribute
they have a stadium fund and they usually pitch in about 50 million.
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 23, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good!
$50M is not enough, though. The NFL cannot seriously want to abandon the16th largest metropolitan statistical area in the nation, so Minnesotans should have some leverage. And it’s not like Minnesotans will suddenly start cheering for the Packers and Bears and continue buying NFL merchandise without a team of their own.
by KC Viking on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem
Minnesotans, as a group, don’t show much interest in supporting the Vikings or even in wanting to keep the Vikings in Minny. Vikings fans here on the DN keep telling me that the Trib isn’t representative of Vikings fandom, but that’s the voice that the Minny politicos ‘hear’ from. And the majority of them would rather see the Vikings leave, than ante up a single penny for a new stadium.
Apparently they feel Gopher football will be sufficient.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Nov 23, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of merch sales
…Minnesotans have a different voice which has very boldly supported the Vikings. Perhaps neither voice says that they are willing to invest in a new stadium, but the NFL already has a very real idea of how much money that they would lose if the Vikings moved elsewhere. It would need to be a move to LA in order to compete with the attendance, merch, and sponsor support that Minnesotans have provided after accounting for those losses. That’s why the Vikings moving to a different metropolitan statistical area like San Antonio is never a serious consideration. The Rams are more likely to move (back) to LA, and StL could get an expansion or other relocated team.
by KC Viking on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the people won't come to the table...
and pitch in for a new stadium… then they should give the dome and the land (tax free) to the MN Vikings ownership group.
Then the owners can build/rebuild their stadium and fund it with additional fees on the ticket sales/merch/concessions, etc. The people can then walk away from managing a lease/rent, maintaining/operating, etc. AND they can continue to reap the tax revenue.
If other organizations want to plan an event/rent the facility, they can pay the Vikings.
I imagine the ‘team’ can figure out how to field a quality product and charge enough to pay for it all without the assistance of the ‘people of the great state of minnesota’.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 23, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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