NFL Standings Update and predictions
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 22, 2009 11:18 PM CST
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I'll start in the NFC
East
Dallas 7-3
NY Giants 6-4
Philadelphia 6-4
Washington 3-7
My prediction: In a division that is completely up for grabs, I think Philadelphia will take this division, with Dallas and New York beginning to struggle, and Washington being well...bad, Philly seems like the safe bet
South
New Orleans 10-0
Atlanta 5-5
Carolina 4-6
Tampa Bay 1-9
My prediction: In the past couple of weeks, New Orleans has begun to look human, if Atlanta can get on a roll, they may just make it a race, but I still think New Orleans pulls this one out
North
Minnesota 9-1
Green Bay 6-4
Chicago 4-6
Detroit 2-8
My prediction: (WARNING: my contain bias) With an essential 4-game lead over Green Bay, the Vikings seem to have this division well in hand, with Chicago and Detroit almost gone, this is (somewhat) of a two-team race, Chicago needs to get hot fast, and beat Minnesota twice to have a chance. Minnesota takes it
West
Arizona 7-3
San Fransisco 4-6
Seattle 3-7
St. Louis 1-9
My prediction: Wow, what a division this is. Not much can really be said. Arizona has played extremely well on the road, which which will be enough to get them another NFC West title
And now on to the AFC
East
New England 7-3
Miami 5-5
NY Jets 4-6
Buffalo 3-7
My prediction: New England has established themselves as the clear front-runner in what looked like what was going to be a hotly contested division. With Miami's inconsistency and New York fading fast, New England has all but won this division. New England
South
Indianapolis 10-0
Jacksonville 6-4
Houston 5-4
Tennessee 3-6
My prediction: Indy. the only two things surprising about this division, is that Tennessee has been so bad this year, and that Jacksonville may be looking at a wildcard berth
North
Cincinnati 7-3
Pittsburgh 6-4
Baltimore 5-5
Cleveland 1-9
My prediction: After Cincy swept Pittsburgh, I was ready to give them the division, but after that game against Oakland....I just don't know what to think anymore. I'm going to predict that Baltimore rights their ship, and steals the division from Pittsburgh and Cincy
West
Chargers 7-3
Broncos 6-4
Kansas City 3-7
Oakland 3-7
My prediction: After a 6-0 start, the Broncos definitely looked like the team to beat, not only in the West, but the AFC, but after 4 straight L's from Denver, and hard-charge (no pun intended) by San Diego, the Chargers are a strong finish away from an AFC West crown, which I think they do
Anyway that's a quick look around the NFL for you. It's sure to be an interesting season, an exciting post-season, and a memorable Super Bowl
and by the way,
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Eagles?
Really? Ugh… that Division is a mess right now… IF I had to pick a winner… I’d go with the Giants.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 AM CST reply actions
Yeah
I probably made this a bit prematurely, my choice might change depending on how well NY plays next week.
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you except for Cincy
The Bengals stubbed their toe with Oakland but they have swept the Steelers & the Ravens. Tie breakers go to the Bengals. They lost that 1st game of the season to Denver on that fluke play. Then they fumble the game away against the Raiders. With a little luck they could have been 9-1. We pulled a rabbit out of our hat against San Fran & the Ravens kicker did us a favor. We could just as easy be 7-3 ourselves. The good thing is we are getting better. I think your predictions are spot on except for the Bengals.
We get to see them here a few weeks down the road. It should be an interesting match up.
Oh sorry, I must not have been very clear
I picked Baltimore. I lost whatever confidence I had in Cincy after the Oakland loss
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 23, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
The Saints and Falcons?
Dude, The Saints have a 5 game lead with 6 to play, and they haven’t yet lost. How in the world are the Falcons going to make it a race? Atlanta’d have to win out, and New Orleans would have to collapse completely.
by virginia viking on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions
I was wondering that myself
We’re one game worse than the Saints and their closest opponent is one game worse than ours. Giving us a 3 game lead and them a 5 game lead. Yet, we have the division all but locked up and they could somehow still lose it?
Homerism at its finest.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
There's no way the Falcons can catch up now.
It would take an epic collapse by NO at this point, losing every game, and ATL would have to win every game.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 23, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Overall records don't decide division winners
The Saints are 10-0, but they’re only 4-0 in their division. The Falcons chances of winning the South are very slim, but they still have a shot, and they’re definitely contenders for a wild-card. :)
Overall records don’t decide division winners
Uhhh, actually, yeah…. they do…
Wow.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think
he just meant division records decide the devision
but they don't
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills…
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
they’re used as the secondary tiebreaker (head-to-head being primary), but in no way, shape, or form do division records decide division winners.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Um......WOW back at ya'
Example:
Lets say the Saints won every reg-season game except for their division games. They would be 10-6.
And lets say the Falcons lost every game except their division games, they would be 6-10
The Falcons would win the division and go to the playoffs, and the Saints would battle for the Wild-Card…..THAT’s A FACT!
The most important games of every season is the division games. Last years 11-5 Patriots didn’t make the playoffs, but the 9-7 Dolphins did. I’ll repeat that again for ya’. Overall records don’t decide division winners. :)
are you serious with this??
I really hope you aren’t.
I should not have to post this, because it should be common knowledge.
The 4 division champions from each conference (the team in each division with the best overall record), which are seeded 1 through 4 based on their overall won-lost-tied record.
Two wild card qualifiers (the non division-champions with the conference’s best winning percentages), which are seeded 5 and 6.
THAT’s A FACT!
Remind me to never take another one of your posts seriously ever again.
The most important games of every season is the division games. Last years 11-5 Patriots didn’t make the playoffs, but the 9-7 Dolphins did. I’ll repeat that again for ya’. Overall records don’t decide division winners. :)
You mean, the 11-5 Dolphins?? The 11-5 Dolphins that won the division because they held the head-to-head tiebreaker over the 11-5 Patriots??
Seriously dude. If you’re going to argue NFL rules with someone who knows them all, at least do a little research. Hilarious.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Sit down Chaosg
Vike83 has this on lock down. The fact you didn’t know this really brings into question your fanhood. Don’t call someone out when you live in a glass house my friend. Sorry you had to put up with this Vike83.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
so then I shouldn’t post this link to the 2006 standings in the AFC South and NFC South to further hammer my point home??
Meh, I’ll do it anyway…
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
You're going to question my fanhood because i don't know exactly how the playoffs work?
and why are you even getting involved?. If you don’t have anything consrtuctive to say, then maybe you should just keep your mouth shut. Vikes83 and I are having small meaningless argument, and I’m sure the two of us can figure it out on our own.
Have nice day!
um,
It’s not small, it’s not meaningless, and it’s not between you two. Your posts are clearly misinformed. Nobody wants any small children happening across this blog confused by your idiocy.
by virginia viking on Nov 24, 2009 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
Do you feel better now?
Sorry i posted some false information about the playoff brackets. I guess somebody should take me behind the barn and shoot me dead, because I’m obviously to stupid to function…..
well, come on then boy!
this is gonna hurt you a lot more than it’s gonna hurt me.
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 24, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Drop it already,
I made a stupid mistake about the playoffs. Is that really any reason to threaten me over the internet?
Vikes 83 took me to school, and I learned something new. But you threatening somebody you have never met (over the Internet) only makes you look dumb, Childish and weak.
yeah that was a joke. i’m not really going out behind the woodshed with you…
my you jump right to the insults don’t you? and taking you behind the barn was your idea not mine.
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry dude, I didn't know you were joking.
I wasn’t trying to insult anybody. I didn’t see an LOL, or a JK in your post, so I thought you were just being a jerk.
No hard feelings, Sorry again!
color me confused then
The top 4 seeds are division winners?
After the division winners, comes the 2 teams with the best records?
The best overall record of the division winning teams gets the #1 seed. Not necessarily the team with the best overall record? It just so happens (in most cases), the team with the best record won their division too? 6-10 can get you the #4 seed in the playoffs, as long as those 6 wins are division wins?
Either way, the Falcons aren’t out yet, and the Saints and Vikings ain’t in yet neither. I’m not sure why you guys are jumping on my ass about this, but even if I’m wrong, you don’t have to be so rude!
all I said at first was "wow"
it was after your “IT’S A FACT” and “I’ll repeat that again for ya” that I felt it necessary to put you in your proverbial ‘place’. Sorry if you got offended… I guess I’d just expect more from a Vikings fan.
The playoffs go like this:
The winner of each division (the team in each division with the best overall record) get the #1, #2, #3, and #4 seeds. If two teams in the same division have identical records, then the “Division tiebreaker rules” that have been previously posted go into effect (1. Head-to-head record 2. Division record etc.) The two division winners with the best records get the #1 and #2 seeds and also the highly coveted first round bye.
The two wildcard winners get the #5 and #6 seeds. Even if a wildcard winner has a better record than one of the other division winners, they still get the #5 or #6 seed. (like how Philly’s 9-6-1 record was better than Arizona’s 9-7 record last year, yet they were still the #6 seed and Arizona was still #4.)
The #3 seed, or division winner with the third best record, plays the #6 seed in the first round, and the #4 seed plays #5. The winner of these games determines the second round matchups. Whoever the lowest remaining seeded team is after the first round will always play the #1 seed. The highest remaining seeded team plays the #2 seed. So, if the 6 seed and the 4 seed win their games, the 1 seed will play the 6 seed, and the 2 seed will play the 4 seed.
The top 4 seeds are division winners?
After the division winners, comes the 2 teams with the best records?
Yes.
The best overall record of the division winning teams gets the #1 seed. Not necessarily the team with the best overall record?
The team with the best overall record will always be the best division winning team. No team can have the best overall record in the conference and be a wildcard. They’d be the winner of their respective division.
6-10 can get you the #4 seed in the playoffs, as long as those 6 wins are division wins?
If the other three teams in the division have lower records, then yes, a 6-10 record could theoretically get you the #4 seed. In fact, it is possible for a 4-12 team to be the #4 seed (if all 4 teams in a division lost all of their non-division games and one team won 4 division games, two teams won 3, and one won 2.) That would never happen, but it’s possible. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that regardless of if a wildcard team has a better record than another division winner, the division winners always automatically get the #1 thru #4 seeds.
Either way, the Falcons aren’t out yet, and the Saints and Vikings ain’t in yet neither.
You are absolutely correct. Both teams would have to have some monumental collapses in order to lose their divisions though.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
I think we're talking about two different things here.
You’re talking about playoff standings, and I’m saying the team with the best record doesn’t always win their division. Here’s my example again.
Lets say the Saints won every reg-season game except for their division games. They would be 10-6.
And lets say the Falcons lost every game except their division games, they would be 6-10
The Falcons would win the division and go to the playoffs, and the Saints would battle for the Wild-Card….Right?
no
that’s wrong. The Saints would win the division because the team in the division with the best record wins the division. Regardless of division record. The only way division record comes into play is if two teams are tied atop the division and they were 1-1 head-to-head.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
I guess I stand corrected then
I always thought that if you swept your division, you’re an automatic top 4 seed in the playoffs, and your record only decided where in the top 4 you sit.
what?? the Dolphins were 11-5 last season
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 23, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
and I loved it
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 24, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you on that
The Falcons might get a wildcard but the division race is already over.
The Saints and the Dolphins
After the Saints beat the Pats next week and the Falcons lose they will clinch the div. with 5 games to go
After the Pats lose to the Saints next week the Dolphins will beat them the folowing week to tie the div.
by simone219 on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Saints vs Pats will be close,
but I believe Bill Belichik confuses and puts enough heat on Brees to keep the game tight. He’s done it more than once to Peyton Manning, and if anyone can finally expose the smoke-and-mirrors show that is the Saints’ D, Tom Brady can… and will… Pats 31 Saints 27.
Actually..
I see this more as a 2 score game for the Pats. They are REALLY hitting their stride right now and aside from an atrocious finish of putting down Indy.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
hope so..
..b/c w/ atlanta fading a bit.. this may be only chance for NO loss..
by BranFavrenton on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
good call
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
If you want to talk about smoke and mirror teams
It would be the Pat’s they have no defense they are terrible against the run and middle of the road against the pass
They have no running game and thats the only weekness the saints have had is they are middle of the road against the run
The only offense they have is Brady Moss and Welker and we will have all our pieces back for this game and sharper is chomping at the bit’s to get a piece of this
They are 1-3 on the road with their only win in tampa i dont thik they even win their div. this week they will be exposed
a healthy Maroney
is much better than you think.
And saying “The only offense they have is Brady, Moss, and Welker” is like saying the only thing good about porn is the sex, nudity, and attractive women.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
With those 3 at the helm
you don’t even need a script…wait…was I talking about the Pats or the porn?
"Skol pa fiskande"
depends on your definition of ‘helm’
by iseepurplepeople on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
LOLOL!! +10!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
"The only offense they have is Brady, Moss, and Welker"
Which in and of itself, is an amazing freaking offense. I wouldn’t be too cocky about the Pats game. You guys are very beatable.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
should be one heck of a game
I can’t wait to watch it!!
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
unforturnately, even if saints lose vs pats....
… say this is the saints ONLY loss,and NO and MIN both end up 15-1..going down the tiebreakers, #1 no head-to-head, so n/a, #2, both 1.000 pct in conf, so tie #3 record against common opponents n/a (need at least 4 , but only det, stl and car are common).. so the #4 tiebreaker will likely kick in, strength of victory.. right now, saints winning by avg of 16.5 points while vikes “only” 13.7.. so we need NO to not only lose, but have at least close wins for vikes to have a chance to beat them for #1 seed..
by BranFavrenton on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
"strength of victory"
from my understanding is actually the "strength of schedule of teams you have defeated. not winning margin. If that were the fact, teams would run up the score all the time in order to secure this tiebreaker.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
and if we beat CHI and NO lost to NE
the current overall record of the teams we have defeated is 34-66 or a .340 strength of victory. For the Saints, it is 37-63 or a .370 strength of victory. Saints would have us for the time being on this one. (Although this could change frequently depending on game outcomes each week.)
If this crazy scenario were to happen, we’d have a lot of headscratching towards the end of the season, but don’t worry. I’ll be here to help sort it out. :)
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
i think strength of sched is #5, strength of victory is #4? :
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.
by BranFavrenton on Nov 23, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
after further review..
..u r correct vike83…after looking up the meaning of “strength of victory”.. it DOES mean winning pct of teams you have beaten , not margin of victory as i thought ( whereas #5 strength of schedule is winning pct of ALL your games)..
thats too much work to figure out,, so lets just say NO will also lose to ATL and end up 14-2.. yes , much easier..
by BranFavrenton on Nov 23, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Perfect!!
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
relax & take a chill pill
We are one game back & everyone acts like theres no way we can catch them. This is the NFL my friends. Anything can happen. If Brees get hurt they will crumble like ice. Lets see how things shake out in the next month. If this was a game this would be the equivalent of about ten minutes into the 1st quarter and were down by 3. Now way is this over.
I wouldn't be to sure of that.
The Saints have sucked forever so I’m glad you guys finally got a real team this year.
You will be under a lot of pressure come playoff time. Its one and done believe me us Viking fans are more than aware of that. Having Favre is why we are excited. The guys been through it all. Drew Brees could lay an egg come playoff time and all those wins will amount to squat. Those Pats have a lot of pelts hanging on their wall. That one dimensional team got a little careless in Indy or you would be the only team without a loss.
I’m not saying you guys can’t beat them but taking them for granted will get you one in the L column.
Actually i'm not taking
Them for granted this could be the biggest game in Saints regular season history
All our starters will be back and its monday night in the dome it dont get much bigger in regular season
And i live right down the road from Brett Bavre in Mississippi (about 35 miles) he is one of my all time favorite players i hope the Vikes and the Saints play the nfc championship game in the dome(our dome of course)
I'm actually glad we got our loss to an AFC team out of the way
Tought us a great deal of humility. Unlike certain NFC South fans who shall go unmentioned. :)
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions
Wow
I’m actually in agreement with you across the board. Except that you’re attempt to claim Atlanta can still catch the Saints makes you sound like you’re almost bending over backwards to disrespect NO. You should have put your disclaimer on your bias affecting your POV on THAT division call, not on the NFC North one.
I wasn't really trying to disrespect the Saints
I realize that that race is pretty much over, however, NO plays some really weak teams (besides NE) and just one loss to a poor team (like say TB) could start a pretty big collapse, especially with one game left against ATL at the Georgia dome.
I guess I didn’t make myself very clear, I didn’t say it was very likely, just saying that there’s an outside chance, a very outside chance.
6 game losing streaks have happened before
Wow I DO sound like I’m on something
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 23, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
yea right
you can hope the saints lose all you want and keep telling yourself were not good who have the vikes beat
but i wont dis-respect the vikes because one of my all time favorite players is the best QB you have ever had brett favre
9 good games
doesn’t equal the years of success Fran Tarkenton had. I can tell I’m speaking to a child here…
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
Best QB we have ever had
doesn’t necessarily mean best performance by a QB in a Viking’s uniform. Brett’s overall career does equal Tarkenton’s and it’s not too hard to make the argument that he surpasses it.
I'm just saying it could happen
you never know, it could happen to the Vikes and Colts too
but none of them appear to be likely
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Does anybody care that Arizona can still be #2
We have to play Cincy, Arizona, and Chicago twice. I’m more concerned with what we can do to get our best record rather than worrying about what the Saints can do.
yes...
One game at a time for sure… but it sure is fun to be in the driver’s seat and pondering the possibilities… instead of being 4-6 and wondering how the heck we can make the playoffs as a wild-card.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Like winning 2 games in a row
With Miami’s inconsistency and New York fading fast,
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 23, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions
OMG! The Browns could go ALL. THE. WAYYYYY!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Ownership should have learned from the Broncos
Should Josh McDaniels have gotten a big contract extension or a raise when they were 6-0?
AFC: Agreed…PIT and CIN will probably finish with 10-6 records, JAX will probably be the other wild card, and DEN will probably lose 3 more games and stay home.
NFC: Giants take the East, both wild cards come from the NFCE, GB finishes as a losing team.
I think also
Coaches start playing back-ups just a tad more the last 3 games,depends on when the Saints clinch the Divison.Home field advantage is great but not good if you lose a few starters,look at G.B. they beat the 49ers but lost 2 of their Def. starters,only thing that helps them is Johnson and Stafford might not play TB-day.
It makes sense to start throwing back-ups into playing A.S.A.P. from about the 10th game of season on,injuries to key players happen more during the late season.
Any Team can be beaten on any given day,nothing is a lock,but nice thing is we got our loss out of the way and can focus on just winning.Colts and Saints gotta put up with the unbeaten debacle still and that can throw off a team quickly.Teams can focus so much on not losing that when they do it starts a downward spiral,the blame game,divide a locker room etc.Still a lot of unwritten endings left before play-offs,me ill be happy we take Divison no key injuries and then think play-offs.
Yes
The saints started pulling starters early last week.
We also sat alot of players who were hurting the last few weeks who wouldhave played in must win games.
We have had lots of injuries but i dont think many are as bad as they seem i just believe our coach is taking special precautions
After all how often do you have a season like the saints, the colts and the vikes are having this year
I think the colts are in the worst position for this
Colts
They may be in the worst position in terms of injuries and backups, but I wouldn’t count them out. The Peyton-Effect has to be taken seriously, the man’s a real fighter.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
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