The Case for Brett Favre as 2009 NFL MVP
by Gonzo on Nov 25, 2009 10:10 PM CST
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Yes, I know that we've only played ten games this season, and I know that this might come off as being a bit premature. And I know that this is going to be met with cries of my bias towards players on my favorite team and all that other fun stuff.
But if the 2009 NFL season were to end today, I find it hard to believe that anybody but Brett Favre would be named the NFL's Most Valuable Player. (I'll take "Things that I never thought would cross my keyboard" for $400, Alex.) After all the drama, the hand-wringing and the whole "will he or won't he" saga that played out over the weeks leading up to the season, it's possible that Favre is having the best season of his career in a season where he reached 40 years of age.
Thus far, all discussions of the MVP award have focused on three main names. . .Favre, Saints quarterback Drew Brees, and Colts quarterback Peyton Manning. Yes, Brees and Manning have been having great seasons thus far, obviously, and as of now both of their teams are still undefeated in 2009. But look at the numbers. There's no way that you can definitively say that either of those guys has been better than #4 through the first ten games of the year.
| ATT | COMP | PCT | YDS | TD | INT | QBR | Sacks | Fumbles (Lost) | |
| Drew Brees | 320 | 218 | 68.1 | 2,746 | 22 | 9 | 105.8 | 13 | 8 (4) |
| Brett Favre | 310 | 216 | 69.7 | 2,482 | 21 | 3 | 112.1 | 21 | 1 (1) |
| Peyton Manning | 388 | 271 | 69.8 | 3,171 | 21 | 9 | 102.7 | 8 | 2 (0) |
Despite the slow start that Favre got off to, he has significantly picked up his game as the season has progressed. He has as many touchdown passes as Manning in 78 fewer attempts, and only one less than Brees in ten fewer attempts. His interception percentage thus far (less than 1%) is significantly better than that of Brees (2.8%) or Manning (2.3%). In addition, Favre has played ten games this season, and has played turnover-free ball in seven of those ten contests. Conversely, Brees has turned the ball over at least once in seven of the ten games New Orleans has played so far, as has Manning for Indianapolis. Obviously, since their teams are undefeated, they were able to overcome those turnovers and lead their teams to victory, but Favre's turnover total has been absolutely ridiculous thus far.
Even in the three years he was named NFL Most Valuable Player, Favre threw 13, 13, and 16 interceptions. This year, he's on pace to throw. . .five. The record for the fewest interceptions thrown by a QB that started all 16 games in a season is four by Steve DeBerg of the 1990 Kansas City Chiefs. I'm not sure if Favre can maintain the level he's currently at. . .after all, it could easily be argued that two of his three interceptions thus far came on passes that should have been caught (by Bernard Berrian against the 49ers and by Chester Taylor against Pittsburgh). . .but it's something to keep an eye on the rest of the way.
"But Favre has Adrian Peterson," the naysayers will tell you. My response to that objection is simply "so what?" Six other teams had the chance to draft Adrian Peterson. . .it's not Minnesota's fault that they figured out that, sometimes, the obvious decision really IS the best one. Besides, judging by the way teams have been defending the Vikings thus far in 2009, it appears as though they're still under the impression that the Vikings are starting Gus Frerotte at quarterback. Despite the fact that Favre has been tearing apart defenses this year, Viking opponents have still insisted on stacking the line of scrimmage instead of devoting men to coverage, because they're scared to death of the best running back in the NFL (as well they should be). The difference is that this year, Favre is taking advantage of those coverages and finding open targets all over the field. After the first eleven weeks of the season, the Vikings are the only team in the NFL with six different players with more than 25 receptions. . .Sidney Rice (50), Percy Harvin (36), Visanthe Shiancoe (33), Bernard Berrian (32), Chester Taylor (27), and Peterson (25).
(By the way, off the subject of Favre. . .how great is it that Peterson is averaging 100 yards rushing and more than one TD per game, and everyone seems to be asking "What's wrong with Peterson?" The kid has set the bar so high, it's damn near ridiculous.)
"Oh, but Favre has been so lucky this year," the naysayers will tell you. Sure, the pass to Greg Lewis against the Niners was something that Favre pulled completely out of his posterior, we know that. The only problem with this argument is that, over the course of a season, lots of teams get lucky along the way. . .look no further to a little more than a week ago, when Manning's Colts were the beneficiaries of one of the dumbest coaching decisions I've ever seen. That dumb decision gave them a chance to win. Back in Week 7, the Saints found themselves trailing the Dolphins by 21 points down in Miami. But Brees rallied his team in the second half and, even though his stats that game were pretty bad (three interceptions and a lost fumble), he led a bunch of scoring drives and led his team to victory. Heck, you could make the case that the Vikings' lone loss this year came as the result of bad luck (garbage tripping penalty on Jeff Dugan, screen pass bouncing off of Taylor's hands, and so forth).
Winning a championship in the NFL is like winning a big poker tournament. . .as anyone that's ever won a big poker tournament will tell you, you don't win without coming back from the dead a few times. The Vikings have done that this season, sure, but so have the Saints and the Colts, and they did it on the strength of the guys behind center.
"But Favre has all that talent around him," the naysayers will tell you. Seriously, are you going to tell me that the Saints and/or Colts are that devoid of talent compared to Minnesota? Of course not, because such an assertion would be ridiculous. Yes, the Vikings are a highly talented team, but this brings me to one of the things that Brees, Manning, and Favre all have in common. . .they make the people around them better. Before this year, nobody outside of Viking fans and South Carolina alumni knew who Sidney Rice was. Now, under Brett Favre, he's a household name. And remember all the junk about Percy Harvin when the Vikings drafted him, about how his hands weren't that great and that he couldn't run routes? Yeah. . .don't hear a whole lot of that any more, do you? Brees has played portions of his time in New Orleans without Marques Colston, without Reggie Bush, without Deuce McAlister, and with a spate of other injuries. For crying out loud, Manning is putting together the season he's currently having with two of his main targets being a couple of guys named Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon. Did YOU know who either of those guys were six or eight weeks ago? I won't lie to you. . .I didn't.
There are quarterbacks that elevate the game of those around them, and those that need to have their game elevated BY those around them. Favre, Brees, and Manning are examples of the former. . .we'll see a shining example of the latter when we the Vikings host the Bears on Sunday afternoon.
Obviously, Brees, Manning, and Favre are all having outstanding seasons this year. They quarterback three of the top teams in the league, and are all definitely going to be factors in the post-season. While the numbers are the same, there's one thing that, in my opinion, separates Favre from the other two quarterbacks in this debate.
Manning and Brees were supposed to be this good. Favre, on the other hand, was supposed to be done for. After all, even the most twitterpated of Favre lovers couldn't possibly have imagined him putting together a season like this, especially after missing all of camp and all the other things that the media massively overhyped going into the season. The reports of a "schism" in the locker room because of the Favre signing turned out to be a bunch of garbage, as #4 has been roundly embraced by his teammates and, by and large, by the Minnesota community. Sure, most people thought he was an improvement over Tarvaris Jackson. . .and I say that as a guy that still thinks Jackson has a future in this league. . .but there was nobody out there that could have predicted the heights that he could potentially take the Vikings to on the NFL stage.
Again, there are still six games left to be played in the 2009 NFL regular season, and this talk might be premature. But if you weigh everything and look at the league MVP race, I honestly thing Brett Favre is in line to win an unprecedented fourth trophy. Whether it's because of overall performance or the impact that they've had on their team, Favre is the MVP in either sense.
Whether you agree or disagree, it's certainly something that makes for a good debate at this point.
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Revenge4Favre says so, enough said. Somebody had to do it eventually, I suppose I should have used all caps and bold type, but…
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by cryhavoc on Nov 25, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Though I love Brett, second only to R4F perhaps ...
I still think Manning has edge right now. You’re hanging a lot on just TD/attempts ratio. And your bit about Adrian lost me. The arguement is that all the guys in the box makes it easier for Favre to complete passes than, say, Peyton. Hence his stats are higher than they might otherwise be. Your analysis REINFORCES that, it doesn’t dispute it.
But it really could go either way, it is that close.
by puddnhead on Nov 25, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nobody said Peyton shouldn't get it
when his receiver corps was stacked and Edge was doing great. He’s also had a great O-line. What are his stats when he has to move more than a foot or so?
Same with pretty boy Brady. He’s got Welker, Moss and a coach who is a great strategist.
by Salty on Nov 26, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its just that Favre has only thrown 3INTS so far.
If he can manage to throw only 4INTs for the rest of the season(or less) he has to be considered, no?
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 26, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brady
Never threw over 30 TDs until Moss go there.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 26, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but Brady also had a few years with no-name receiving corps. Even Wes Welker was a nobody before arriving in NE.
by KC Viking on Nov 28, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Wes was a stud in HS, college and in Miami, just no one to get him the ball there
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by NMVike on Nov 30, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of teams
could have had him, including the Vikes, but didn’t think he was worth $3.75M (roughly the same as Jim Kleinsasser’s 2008 salary).
by KC Viking on Dec 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
Favre simply makes for a more compelling choice for MVP, thus I would expect him to win the award, unless there is a catatrophic turn of events over the final 6 games.
But, like Brett says, there really is a LOT of season left. I’d have no problem with Brees or Manning as the choice, but neither has been as directly responsible for their team’s success as Brett Favre.
For example, I can name at least one game for New Orleans and Indy where their defenses bailed the offense out and were the primary reasons for victory. I cannot recall one game in 2009 where the Minnesota defense won the game without major assistance from Brett Favre.
But, if Indy goes undefeated, it’s gonna be difficult to expect the vote to go against Manning and this is assuming New England can take out New Orleans. I didn’t envision Minnesota being 9-1 at this juncture, but they appear to be capable of winning out – at which point if there was ever a season for a co-MVP award, 2009 would be it and you probably wouldn’t get too many arguments.
by Hauschild on Nov 25, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Neither the Saints or Colts will go undefeated
I’m calling it right here. Bold prediction, huh?
by ckb on Nov 26, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if it was co-mvp, i’d go Favre/Peterson. Not only are they vitally important to the other’s success they’re both having dominant seasons.
by dsludo on Nov 26, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will become much more clear
once the Colts and Saints lose a game. I believe the Saints will get a rude awakening by the Patriots. Then enters Tom Brady in the mix of MVP. I believe alot of people are favoring Manning and Brees so much because of the perfect record. If the Colts and Saints happened to have both lost one along with the Vikes, people would be leaning more towards Favre. What really seperates Favre from Brees and Manning???….
Adjustment. I think people have already forgot Favre was retired a couple of months ago, and had played for the N.Y. Jets the prior year. He comes in half way through the pre-season and puts togeather this kind of season speaks volumes. Brees and Manning have been in with their team for 10+ and 3+ years. Brett? less then half a year. It was no doubt Favre would start off slow and its the most impressive of the 3 how much better he is improving every game. Manning did the opposite of Favre, started off strong and “slowed” down since the first 5 games. Brees the same. Favre wins as of right now because our vikings last year without Favre was 10-6. ideally the same team as last year With Favre this year? 9-1. (Lost Sharper) a negative (swap Harvin for Wade) Plus (swap Loadholt for Cook) plus. I think its clear that Favre has been the most valuable player this year.
by PurpleJesuZ on Nov 25, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
brees was great last year, 8-8
peyton too, more playoffs for colts
vikings went 10-6 with t-jack and ferrotte.
in expectations/making teams better, you could argue peyton just always does it. brees is getting there too. favre made GB a wideout factory for years. these guys make everyone look good. that total yardage is down, and t-jack has taken a number of snaps to account for the odd 100 yards here and there. I dunno, its too close to call. I guess thats why they usually wait til the end of the season to decide these kinds of things.
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by boyonthedock on Nov 26, 2009 12:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
great point on brees being 8-8 last year after his awesome year.
by dsludo on Nov 26, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Favre haters
Hopefully Favre doesnt get screwed by all the haters. Since his Green Bay debacle, some have grown tired of him, I compare this to Tim Tebow. Last years Heismen race, he recieved the most 1st place votes, but from all the Tebow haters, he recieved the most last place votes. There for a guy with the most 2nd place votes wins over the guy with the most 1st place votes.(2nd place isnt so bad after all) Hopefully the Favre haters dont get to vote who wins the MVP award.
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by Hook85 on Nov 26, 2009 1:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There was a time,
in major league baseball when the MVP award didn’t always go to the guy who put up the best numbers, either offensively or as a pitcher. Zoilo Versalles for the ’65 twins and Kirk Gibson for the ’88 Dodgers are the two guys that always stick out in my mind in that regard.
In both cases, writers recognized that they brought a lot more to their teams than simply the numbers they put up. They were the ‘sparkplugs’ that defined and changed the attitude of their entire team and somehow made the team better.
I think it would be hard to ignore that aspect of Favre’s performance this year – he has changed the identity and attitude of the whole offense and is making those around him better beyond just his performance.
A couple other things: Peterson is not in the backfield on every play; he is frequently on the bench in obvious passing situations and the Vikings have still excelled on those downs. Teams aren’t stacking their defense against AD when he’s not on the field.
I don’t think you can overestimate the importance of not turning the ball over. It means we are going to be in every game even if we have an otherwise off day.
Brees is having a good year, but I still think that somebody wins their 4th MVP this year – it’s too good a story. It’s close to a tossup right now and the rest of the season will decide. My one fear is this; it’s not unlikely that sometime in the next six games, Favre will have a 2 interception game. Maybe not, but everybody has games like that and I could see it happening. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people are going to scream ‘late season fade!’ and that may well tip the scales, no matter how well he performs before or after that.
by Migrant lurker on Nov 26, 2009 3:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He may have a 2 INT game but...
Rice and Harvin back him. I hope it is enough.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 26, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Migrant lurker is insightful. Here what he has to say.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton’s going to be hard to beat because of his supporting cast compared to the other teams.
Brady won’t get more than a mention because he has Moss and Welker. The Pats also didn’t do too bad without him last year.
Favre has Peterson.
Brees has Reggie Bush (meh) and Shockey (meh), so maybe a little more to work with than Peyton, perhaps.
I agree with PurpleJesuz – What tips the scales toward Favre, for me, is that this is his FIRST season with the Vikings. Familiar scheme or not, it’s just amazing what he’s been able to do, and having joined the team fairly late on top of that.
Dark horse: Vince Young. If Tennessee somehow makes the playoffs, I don’t see how you could not give him MVP. From 0-and-oblivion and Jeff Fisher looking at want ads to playoffs? We might have to split the MVP three ways come January.
by Artbroken on Nov 26, 2009 3:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Favre's the man
Based on everything everyone has said and Brett’s stats at this point he should be hands down in the #1 spot. We all know that Favre should not know his team half as well as Manning or Brees knows their’s. Problem is when it comes to voting for MVP they don’t care
about how well he has adapted. They look at the cold hard facts. If we can end up with a better record or at least as good as the Saints & Colts then Brett’s got a shot. He’s our MVP already if he can keep it up maybe he can overcome some of the bias.
by iowaron on Nov 26, 2009 4:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Statistics are not MVP criteria
Statistics are nice to look at, and are good for determining rankings by position (like best quarterback or Cy Young winner). Statistics don’t show how valuable a player is to his team. And that’s what the “V” in MVP means – how Valuable the player is to his team. Screw the statistics – I would want to know how many wins can be directly attributed to Brett Favre, and where would his team be without him? That’s how you judge how valuable a player is to his team – not statistics.
by aladdinwa on Nov 26, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
MSP
If you took a poll of any group, Favre would probably win the Most Surprising Performance award.
One point not yet made is that Manning has won every game this year with a rookie coach — that ought to account for something, shouldn’t it?
“best” player? Most “outstanding perormance” for the year? However you choose to characterize it, most “valuable” is, by definition, a subjective measure and thus there is really little to argue about — what is the point? Ultimately, it is just a vote, and the outcome is correct BY DEFINITION.
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by TiggerSr on Nov 26, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And you
forgot to mention the fact that Favre has missed like 3 quarters of play time due to T-Jack coming in during blowouts.
by All Day, All Night on Nov 26, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
I also have one thing to add
Farve to Lewis on last play of the game.
by lifelongvike on Nov 26, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I even think he'll win....he is doing so much more for his team than Manning and Brees are doing for theirs
If he doesn’t win I’ll be appalled
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 26, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One thing you can say definitively about Brees and Manning
is that teams have not put 8 men in the box against them.
by Donald Driver on Nov 27, 2009 2:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lucky catches?
The fully stretched out Reggie Wayne catch against NE was no less lucky than Gregg Lewis. Funny, if Favre throws one up where only Rice can catch it, Rice saved him. Yet Manning and Brees are simply brilliant in the same scenario. How much value a player brings a team? What % of last years’ team is back? What was last years’ record? Add Favre, what is it now? There is no comparison. Don’t fool yourself thinking TJ could/would have done what Favre has accomplished. Using a Favreism, “That’s rediculous”.
8 in the box is no argument at all. Defensive strategy like that after games 3 and 4 against Brett Favre should get a coach/coordinator fired in my opinion. How many great QB/RB tandems stopped the QB from winning a MVP? Seems like searching for a reason to deny an award.
If Favre had a 2 INT game and still won, there would be ’fade ’ talk all over the internet. Manning/Brees do it, no mention – other than their brilliance in leading the team through adverse situations. Makes me tired.
Also makes me tired how biased East coast based TV media is toward East Coast teams/players in the NFL, MLB, etc. They color a lot of thoughts with this crap. Example – unless you put up #s like Pujols and Maurer (totally over the top) a Yankee or Red Sox player gets so much coverage, it becomes hard to remember who else even played that year.
They have already crowned Manning MVP – think about it. I think it possible the Vikes win the SB and Favre still isn’t the MVP if AP has a few stellar performances – because this was always about being ’AP’s team’.
I’ll add Favre is my favorite player of all time – but I am looking at this from as unbiased a position as I can muster. I hope that Favre gets what he wants far above MVP – SB ring – the team award. My .02. Thanks for listening.
by jshep on Nov 27, 2009 7:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Manning won last year and is on pace to repeat...
Statistically speaking, Manning’s 09 years is shaping up similar to his 08. I wonder how people would feel about Favre becoming a Four-time, two of which he split, the MVP.
by LoveHate on Nov 27, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Favre has helped the Vikings a great deal
I’m not sure why, but the Vikings can not seem to run the ball this year. If they don’t figure it out within the next couple of weeks it may be too late. In the mean time Favre has kept the Vikings alive, and in the winning colume more so than any other QB in the NFL. However, I doubt if being the MVP is Favres reason for returning. I think he’d rather have another SB ring.
by vnbushman on Nov 27, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AD is second in the league in rushing, so...
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-Bram Stoker
by NMVike on Nov 30, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good article
I will agree with you, but another name comes to mind, a possible dark horse, Chris Johnson. There will be made the case of he is on a team that fell and fell hard this season and with the numbers, should win. But hey, everybody get’s their day in the sun. Believe me, Im not backing the guy, but just saying, he has the potential to be the “What the F—-?” pick.
Only way I see it on who wins it between the 3 is going to be best record at this point. Favre better at rating and INT ratio, Manning better in yards and Brees in TD’s. While it would be nice to have Favre win if his season continues as it has, there is a good chance no matter what, Manning may get it as he is the darling for the media. Not knocking Manning or the Colts as Manning is one of my fav’s, but he is well liked by the news folks as where Favre is seen by many of them as a drama queen. Sadly, alot of personal feelings will get involved in the voting and I see Manning winning the crown. And for some media types, that would sit just well to see him become the all time leader over Favre. If that happens like that instead of the end of season results, it would be tantamount to naming Derek Jeter AL MVP just because he was on the Yankess instead of Mauer who had the better bat this past season
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by VikesFaninNM on Nov 28, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The best naysayer argument
was a big favorite PRE-lambeau return game, and its still clutched by many packer fans today:
“It’s only a matter of time until the ‘bad Favre’ shows his ugly head and throws 5 interceptions”
I don’t know about you guys, but I ALWAYS see people saying or posting this, that “eventually” Favre will go back to his “old ways”. This statement makes no sense to me. As far as I know, Favre is a shoe-in HOF QB and has had many awesome seasons. So it’s only a matter of time until Favre has another MVP season? I don’t get it, he IS having an MVP season…
by cdubs on Nov 28, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Garcon
I only knew who he was from playing Madden 10. He’s an ideal 3rd or 4th WR and 2nd slot KR because of his run blocking in that game.
by KC Viking on Nov 28, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another MVP Candidate
Ray Rice of the Baltimore Ravens has more receptions than AP and Chris Johnson put together and ranks 3rd in yards from scrimmage behind Johnson and just barely behind Steven Jackson (AP is 4th). Should the Ravens surge in the next 6 games with slightly more yards per game to Ray Rice, then he would have to be a serious MVP candidate.
The difference between Favre, Manning, and Brees is hair-splitting right now, but I think a clear #1 will emerge from those over the next 5-6 games. Favre has done more with less at the WR/TE positions, but while seeing 8 in the box more often. Manning has had Reggie Wayne, currently 2nd in receptions and 1st in receiving yards, but no serious running game (less than 4.0 ypc). Brees has enjoyed a much better (top 5) RBBC (a full yard per carry better) than Peyton and multiple first-round talents like Reggie Bush, Robert Meachem and Jeremy Shockey to go to, whether Colston is in the mix or not.
by KC Viking on Nov 28, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brent as MVP
What a laughable suggestion! He has done nothing that a whole bunch of QBs aren’t doing. It’s the rest of the team that’s making him look good. The media just loves this turncoat beyond all reason. You might notice that Rodgers has better numbers in spite of playing behind a weak offensive line so far. Put Brent on the Packers and he’d be doing absolutely nothing other than throwing a lot of interceptions. I’m so glad that we let this prima donna crybaby go!
by intewedm on Nov 28, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just when you think they are dead and gone,
they come back with the whine and cheese. I’ll take a mild Cheddar with a bottle of your finest Chardonnay.
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by cryhavoc on Nov 28, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take a Lambrusco with that order, put it on my tab! lol
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by VikesFaninNM on Nov 29, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So it's Favre's fault
That Green Bay’s offensive line is a joke?
Interesting theory.
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by Gonzo on Nov 29, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and you might notice
That the reason that Rodgers has more touchdowns that Favre is due to the minor fact that he’s played one more game than Favre thus far. . .and has him beaten by a whopping one touchdown. He’s also attempted 70 more passes than Favre has. He’s also turned the ball over twice as many times as Favre has (8 turnovers for Rodgers thus far, 4 for Favre).
His team also got owned by Favre’s team on two separate occasions this season.
Rodgers isn’t playing as well as Favre is this year. Nobody that takes about 4.5 sacks/game because he doesn’t know when to get rid of the ball merits mention in the MVP discussion.
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by Gonzo on Nov 29, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Troll alert a.k.a. Jerk Alert!!!!!
Danger young Will Robinson…..DANGER!
I’m wondering who this Brent is you’re referring too? Now, if you want to talk about our QB BRETT, well, all I can say is, if this was the late 70’s, I’m sure the Packers would have had no issue’s picking up Tarkenton, or the late 90’s, picking up Cris Carter. So, time to get your thumb out of the mouth, head up stairs to Mommy, since it sounds like you live in the parents basement still, and go suck on Mommies titty awhile so you can feel better.
So, I guess having only on more TD then Favre, constitutes better? So whats does the extra 2 INT’s account for along with the lower rating? Hmmmmmm. Now, if you want to look at yardage, why, Aaron does have a little higher yards. But then again, with no O-line to protect him, he usually has to get passes of alot faster. Oh, and having a suck arse running game isn’t helping you guy’s either. Farve doesnt have to throw all the time since we do have the best RB currently in the NFL and one of the best RB corps in the league. So all I can sum this up too is that you’re either:
A. An upset Packers fan P.O.’d at your own team so have to make flimsy excuses about how our season or QB is all a shame because at the moment, your running game, O-line, coach and GM stink worse then a 90 day old overflowing porta potty or
B. A disgruntled Bears fan in disguise and upset because your team traded the better QB for whiny arsed crybaby of a loser and the other 3 teams in your division, Vikes, Pack and even the Lions have a better QB then you could ever hope to obtain.
Now that I am done and you went to Mommy, feel better? All fill up? Might want to get your diaper changed or perhaps your Tampax!
Oh, if you were a true Packers fan, you would know how to spell Brett’s name correctly.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 29, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Intewedm
SOOO glad you let this “crybaby” go too. Otherwise we wouldn’t get to see a great QB lead a great team this season. Frankly, I am past tired of the “turncoat,” “traitor,” whinning. The man has a right to play as long as he can play with whomever he chooses. He didn’t sign his name in blood with GB. Green Bay didn’t want him; the Vikes had enough gumption to grab him. So get over it already.
by LindaB on Nov 29, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+100
clap clap clap clap
Oh, and welcome to the club!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 29, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats also interesting is that
Favre is having a much better year now than the 3 years that he did win the MVP award. My gut tells me that tonights game will have a lot to do with it. If Brees leads the Saints past the Pats, then he might lock up the award. Let’s look at his resume: 8-8 to undefeated, helped the community recover from Katrina, leads league in TD passes.
I think it will end up Brees/Manning co-MVP’s. Favre will be named comeback player of the year. Even though this is nice to talk about, I’d rather be celebrating a super bowl victory after this year is over. MVP talk is secondary.
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-Bram Stoker
by NMVike on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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