Anatomy of a Play: Favre to Berrian TD vs. Green Bay

Another nice job by Mike Mayock of the NFL Network to analyze the play that put the dagger into the Green Bay Packers last weekend.

Note the tackle by Al Harris at the end of the play where he grabs Berrian by the opening of his helmet while nothing gets called. Is there a dirtier defensive player in the National Football League than Al Harris? I generally don't hope for players to get injured, but after some of the crap that guy gets away with, I wouldn't shed any tears if something bad were to happen to him.

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nfl's dirtiest player

Al harris is probably the dirtest nfl football player in the league, while I wouldnt wish anything bad on anybody some of those hits need to be regulated. For example ray lewis did get fined for the cincy hit 25k. Take note commissioner.

by SportsHandicapper on Nov 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This should answer your question

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html

So in other words no he isn’t "even one of the “dirtiest” but there’s no question he should’ve been penalized here. However I’ve seen him wrongfully penalized a couple thousand times so particulary week one against the Bears in which ESPN repeatedly pointed out how horrible the call was. Jared Allen is unsurprisingly listed at number 10 but Antoine Winfield is surprisingly not on the list.

by Donald Driver on Nov 5, 2009 10:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That’s cause Winfield isn’t a dirty player dypchit! I mean Donald!

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by BigMo on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+26

That article has no credibility in my mind. They don’t have a clue how to measure “dirty”. If they had, Harris would be there as would a number of others.

by PurpleJesus on Nov 6, 2009 6:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Criteria

According to the commentators that I listened to, input on that list wasn’t just determined by the number of type of penalties, but also considered input from other NFL players. Personally, I consider the input of the players to be paramount, they’re the ones who see every dirty trick that we miss, they’re the recipients of the foul play and rules skirting.

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by DCPurple on Nov 6, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure about that

If you assume 100% of players tell the truth. I am sure as hell positive that rivalries and getting beat at the line cause some players to call others dirty when in fact they aren’t. So, from that perspective I believe what I see….

by PurpleJesus on Nov 7, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Harris also

Gets away with pass interference or illegal contact on damn near every snap he plays. So does Charles Woodson.

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by Gonzo on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That

is a ridiculous statement. I’m not sure what your definitions of those penalties are, but the refferees are usually pay special attention to Harris because of his physical style.

by Donald Driver on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Crazy idea

go by the rule book

by Salty on Nov 7, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WTF are you talking about Donald?....."Antoine Winfield is surprisingly not on the list."

Just because Winfield can hit harder than “ANY” dude on the Packers-roster don’t make Winfield a “Dirty Player”. You wanna call J.Allen dirty, that’s fine, but don’t go making shit up about Winfield. Saying shit like that will lose a ton of credibility for you, so don’t.

by chaosg on Nov 6, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoah slow down chief

I don’t have anything against Winfield in particular he just has a reputation.

by Donald Driver on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Winfield has a reputation for being a hard hitter, but I've never heard of him being a dirty player?

by chaosg on Nov 6, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the two often go hand in hand

But I’ve heard him being synanamous with dirty with both Bills and Vikings. He’s a very good player though, so that may be another reason he gets that rep.

by Donald Driver on Nov 7, 2009 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Now you're just making stuff up

I’ve heard Winfield called plenty of things, but I’ve yet to ever read an article or hear an analyst or player refer to Winfield as “dirty.”

by Frost on Nov 7, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What possible reason could I have for making up stuff about Winfield?

really I want to know

by Donald Driver on Nov 8, 2009 3:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny

I have never once heard of Winfield referred to as dirty. Please give us your sources.

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by NobleSavage on Nov 8, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely! Harris is dirty!

No doubt whatsoever! The Sports Illustrated article above doesn’t measure “intent” and putting Hines Ward and Jared Allen on it just shows they don’t know how to measure “dirty”.

by PurpleJesus on Nov 6, 2009 6:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

They're players, so they know how to measure dirty better than we do

It seems like Vikings fans usually accept the fact that Jared Allen is a dirty player and could have about 5 late hits called on him per game. Hines Ward has been called out many times for the fact that he is an absolutely filthy player.

by Donald Driver on Nov 6, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I begrudgingly admit that I agree with Donald Driver here

by lioninacoma on Nov 6, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't accept that Jared Allen is a dirty player

I think the charge is bogus, and the fact that he only got 3.5% of the vote looks more to me like there’s a few guys that get bitched on a regular basis by The Mullet and this is the only way they have to get back at him.

by DCPurple on Nov 6, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is my point too

There are some players who play “balls out” football and aren’t necessarily “cheap”.

by PurpleJesus on Nov 6, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Allow me to clarify

I don’t think that Jared Allen is intentionally dirty. I just think that he is just extremely motivated to the point of where he naturally does things that are out-of-bounds.

by Donald Driver on Nov 6, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you need to rethink your definition of a late-hit. Go watch the Baltimore game. If Jared Allen wanted to put down a late-hit, he could’ve done it several times in the second half. But if he saw the ball get thrown, he often turned around and started going after the ball carrier. But perhaps you’re one of the people who agree with the officials that Ray Edwards deserved that Unnecessary Roughness on Rodgers last week. Was that also a late hit?

by Frost on Nov 7, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I keep seeing Kampman make late hits

by Salty on Nov 7, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Erm...

It’s the result of a (presumably) anonymous survey of 296 NFL players. I think they’re probably the best judges of what they deem ‘dirty’. The only question as to its validity is the distribution of the players questioned i.e. what positions they play and which divisions they are in.

Still, that was a dirty tackle.

by Curvespace on Nov 6, 2009 7:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Delete ''dirty'' and insert ''most liable to knock the shit out of you''

Then that list makes sense. Oh yeah. and Karma got back at Harris last year..remember that spleen issue?

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Apparently the league agrees

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_13730957?source=rss

The NFL fined Green Bay Packers Johnny Jolly, Al Harris and rookie B.J. Raji $5,000 each for actions in Sunday’s loss to the Minnesota Vikings.

Defensive tackle Jolly was fined today for unnecessary roughness for head-butting running back Chester Taylor. Cornerback Harris was fined for unnecessary roughness for grabbing a helmet opening to make a tackle. Defensive tackle Raji was fined for a major facemask violation.

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by Gonzo on Nov 6, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs