An Open Letter to the Chicken Little Crowd
by Ted Glover on Dec 13, 2009 3:33 PM CST
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Dear 'The Sky is Falling' Fringe of Viking Fandom,
Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, shut up. The only thing more negative than you is our national unemployment rate. And although that seems to be improving, you do not. I can only imagine the suckitude you will take away from today's evisceration of one of the better teams of the AFC. Let me use my crystal asshat to see what you'll say:
1) Favre is having his annual, terrible December.
2) AP is terrible and/or over-rated
3) Childress sucks.
This is one of the best Vikings teams that I have ever watched. They are fundamentally sound on both sides of the ball, and I believe the defense answered the question as to whether or not they could bounce back from EJ Henderson's injury.
If you're not on the positivity train, go away. Thanks.
Sincerely,
Every other Viking Fan
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+1000000
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions
And I will add another
100 trillion
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 13, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Darn it, why don’t our keyboards have an infinity symbol? lol. But, I agree wholeheartedly. Our Vikes are the best in years.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 13, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
if you turn your keyboard sideways, then hit 8, i think that works..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 18, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
∞
¡sʞɹoʍ ʇı ʎǝɥ
Oops! Hey it works!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 18, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I may have to hunt you down and kill you.
:)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
HAHAHA!
Well said MiCardFan!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 13, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions
Hail hail hail to calling out the doomsayers/downer syndrome folks...
Hope they gather in a corner somewhere away with their own kind….
No reason to hang here….they are downright depressing!
All points above from MilCardFan are valid from my perspective….
Great game tonight!
I LOVE to say I TOLD YOU SO (ref Vikes anyway!)!
SKOL!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 13, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions
yES!
1) Other than the INT he played well. didn’t have e a big game but we don’t need him to.
2) HOW is 296 yards in a single game overrated?
3)
2006: 6-10
2007: 8-8
2008- 10-6, Division champs
2009:11-2 , with 3 games left.
Notice anything?
Good post!
Ski-U-Mah!
HOW is 296 yards in a single game overrated?
He’s only overrated in the sense that he is no longer the best RB in the league. But #2 is nothing to scoff at. I’d take Peterson over anyone not named Chris Johnson.
Chris Johnson may have better numbers than Peterson this season, but I wouldn’t trade AP for him.
Peterson has embraced Minnesota, the entire Viking fan base adores him, and he still has put up decent numbers this season.
I think that the reason for the decline in Petersons production is a result of a drastic change in offensive play calling. Consider this, in 2008 the Vikings had 971 total offensive plays. Of those 971 plays, 452 were pass plays and 519 were rushing. So far in 2009, the Vikings have run 837 offensive plays, 449 were passing and 388 were rushing.
With the switch to Brett Favre at QB, the Vikings offense has become pass happy and it has certainly had an effect on Petersons numbers.
Without Brett at QB, I think we would go right back to having Peterson carry this team. Peterson is invaluable and I’m not sure I’d trust Johnson to do the same.
people dont have as much film on chris johnson
soon he will have stacked fronts as well, then everyone will be calling him overrated
Adrian Peterson...Beast Mode
Haha people stack up the box against Chris Johnson don’t fool yourself. His Qb’s have been Collins and Young…
by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
It all just depends on what kind of offense your team runs. If your more of a finesse running team, and pass a bit more then Johnson is your top choice. If your running more of a power running style offense, then AP is your top choice.
by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Right On MilCardFan!!
I understand that when there’s a loss, some folks may need a few hours to get the disappointment into perspective. But when it goes beyond that, maybe they should just throw themselves on the ground and thrash about, weeping and wailing, by themselves.
Otherwise it’s probably just an attention-getting device.
I missed the first half of the game, but I loved what I saw in the second. Oh, and all those Benny Sapp haters can puck off too; Sapp brings an enthusiastic aggressiveness that the defense thrives on. Maybe he draws more penalties than necessary, but by this time next year, opposing WRs are going to know his name and be downright afraid to jump for the ball when they think Benny has a bead on them :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Did you pay attention to Sapp in KC?
I’m glad that he’s made some plays when on the field, but let’s not get carried away with praising Sapp’s 2 decent plays today and forget all about a few bad ones before. He has made a career of proving that he’s no answer to any CB problem other than nickel or dime back.
You may as well have said that nobody should be down on Ryan Sims because of 1 tackle or something. The truth is that there are more years of frustrating moments from those guys than great moments recently.
Nope, I don't watch the Chiefs
Unless they’re playing the Vikings. I didn’t even bother to check to see that Sapp had come from there. Doesn’t matter to me, he’s a Viking now. :)
I saw a couple nice hits by him today, but I was thinking back week-by-week, at Sapps head-first-and-howling style, which tends to result in penalties for spearing and late hits on whiney-assed QBs (e.g. Big Ben). He likes to lead with his helmet and he goes all out on his tackles.
I like that. I like that a lot.
And as I said, I know he draws penalties, and I don’t care. The more aggression on D, the better.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Aggression > smart D?
You made my point for me: that Sapp MUST draw penalties by playing aggressive, rather than smart and effective, defense.
MMmmm, no
This one slipped by me, sorry for the delay in responding.
You’re using the straw-man method, and I’m not buying it.
I didn’t say that aggression is better than smart D, I said I like the aggression and that the D needs to be very aggressive. There’s no reason that they can’t do both, but sometimes you do need to weigh the choices and decide if you can afford to sacrifice “smart defense” in favor of brutal aggressiveness. If they can do it, I think they should. In the long run, I think aggression, the more brutal the better, pays off in the intimidation of the opposing teams.
I didn’t say that Sapp “must” draw penalties, I said that I know he draws penalties with his hyper-aggression and that I don’t care. Most of the time it’s ok. As long as the penalty is manageable, it’s not a worry.
Now, if he’s drawing, say, a PI penalty that gives the other side an 80 yard gain, then it’s stupid. Alternatively, if it means teaching an opposing QB that trying to pull a QB sneak is inadvisable, then it’s brilliant. It all depends on the circumstance, and I think that the Vikings D (including Sapp) are smart enough to work the equation and apply it where they can.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Agreed
Sapp has played far better than expected in Winfield’s absense. Still not sure he’s a bonified #1 but he’s a hell of a nickle back. I also love how that extended period as starter has given him confidence to play even better as our nickel guy now. Go ahead and spread your WRs, cause we can finally (after years and years) cover more than 2.
Uh, well, uh, about Benny Sapp
I have an unnatural hatred towards him. It’s instinctive. Like Hatfield v. McCoy, Tiger Woods v. Monogamy, Packer fans v. Sobriety.
It’s not something I think I can change, and I’m not sure if I want to.
But if it’s any consolation, I agree with the rest of your post.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
1 win against a really good team > 5-8 wins vs. cupcakes
In the back of my mind, I wonder why AP hasn’t mustered 4.0+ ypc in 4 straight games; however, there is no real reason to worry about that this season as long as CT is healthy. I wonder if our RBs are lining up a few yards deeper in the backfield than necessary and whether they would gain more yards beyond the LOS if they didn’t need to run 17 yards to get to the LOS. Those are really fine tuning issues, so no big deal.
Having Winfield back seemed to help immensely, even without EJ. Does this mean that the Vikes have invested more into the front 7 than is productive and justifiable? That will be interesting to see if more re$ource$ are allocated to secondary talent in the off-season.
There’s really no way to take away from this decisive win against a worthy Bengals team. I have been happy and relieved since halftime or earlier.
Nice point about Winfield
I am wondering, after this game, wheter Winfield is more important to this defense over Henderson, vice versa, or push. Winfield brings a physicality that was eye opening, but Henderson brings leadership and discipline. Vikes played well, for the most part, without Winfield, but they played well without Henderson today.
That said, I thought Jaspar Brinkley acquiited himself well, and I thought the coaching staff did a good job of playing to his strengths and minimizing his inexperience by letting Leber play the nickel, call the plays, and set the defense.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Nickel and dime
I think that the Vikings would be 14-0 after 13 games with Buffalo’s secondary. The Bills have problems that nobody should envy, but they absolutely know how to scout, draft, and coach a wicked secondary.
+1
Because they draft Ohio State guys!!
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Love the post-- and most of your posts for that matter...
Agree that I like what I saw from Jasper today, although I don’t think he’ll be truly tested until we face a team with a legit threat at tight end.
Safety play is often the hardest thing to evaluate from a TV broadcast, but Sanford certainly wasn’t exposed today. I will watch the game again today and try to see whatever I can, but the first time around, the kid didn’t look like a liability.
I don’t remember how many times I said “man it’s nice having that guy back” after a sweet play by Antoine Winfield, but it seemed like a lot.
Hmmm, about Brinkley
When you say
I like what I saw from Jasper today, although I don’t think he’ll be truly tested until we face a team with a legit threat at tight end.
I don’t think that will be a problem, because he isn’t (or wasn’t from what I saw today) on the field in most passing situations, and Ben Leber did a pretty good job in pass coverage today. I think Leber is a better pass defender than not only Brinkley, but EJ as well, and he will acquit himself just fine for the rest of the season. I hope I’m still saying that if he gets an opportunity against Jeremy Shockey.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
I didn’t see a player playing with instinct. I thought he was reacting on the field alot. Which in your first start let alone first opportunity for extended playing time. He will learn to trust himself and get better. He has some film to watch now.
And I can live with that from a 5th round rookie
starting his first game. He has a strong supporting cast, so all he has to do is remember his gap assignment, play within himself, and not be the guy that gives up the big play.
I believe the talent is there, and with game reps, the instinct will be there. Overall, I thought it was a good showing for a guy that has to replace the captain and emotional leader of the defense. Although it looks like Winfield will assume the emotional leader role.
And I’m way cool with that.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Correction
3 wins against teams with 9 wins. Who else has done that this year? You might as well say every team has one good vistory and 5-8 against cupcakes. It’s the NFL, get used to it. If you win a lot you give a lot of losses and that makes losing teams.
Well said
Seems the sky might be falling elsewhere. Hard to criticize this team and say we haven’t beaten anybody now…. That was a total TEAM victory against a team # 1 in scoring defense (we changed that and showed how potent we are putting 30 on the board) and # 1 in rush defense (we outrushed them 142 – 119)…. Streak of not allowing 100 yard rusher continues.
+1
Two Packers victories and the Bengals victory are convincing wins.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
4 wins vs. .500+ teams.
The Colts have 5 wins vs. .500+ teams with 2 more on their schedule. 3 more wins to TEN or HOU would produce a total of 9 games—more than half of their schedule—vs. .500+ teams.
The Vikes only have 1 more game like that on their schedule. CHI and CAR probably can’t each win 3 more, and even if they did, that would still be less than the Colts.
The Packers were beneficiaries of an easy schedule, and they even messed that up by losing to Tampa Bay, the worst team in the NFL.
Cleveland is the worst
Tampa Bay can at least score. lol
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
If and buts...
So Indy has us by one more win than us against .500+ teams because of one additional 7-6 team. You still avoided the question…. Who has beaten three 9 win teams other than us? And that isn’t taking anything away from Indy.
Packers are a top 8 team in the NFL. Easy schedule or not…
Like the post says…If you’re not on the positivity train, go elsewhere.
I asked the question now
The end of the year is senseless… We won’t even play anyone against the NYG and will probably give away that game.
Point is, there is only one team who has done it right now. That’s 3 quality wins, not one or two like the others.
DEN
…has defeated CIN, SD, NE, DAL, NYG, and has PHI on their schedule. 3 of their losses have been to tough teams, too (SD, BAL, IND). That team is already more battle-tested than the Vikes, and they could finish the year with more wins vs. 9-win teams.
DEN has won 2 games against 9+ win teams
There are 7 teams with 9 OR MORE wins RIGHT NOW.
CIN, IND, SD, PHI, MIN, GB, and NO.
Only the Vikings have won 3 games against the other 6 (GB X2, CIN). NO played and won against 1 (PHI) and IND have not played any of the other 6.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
That's all true.
If the team in question is one of the 7, then there are only 6 possible opponents with 9 wins RIGHT NOW (but of course that will change by season’s end).
The Colts have the tougher schedule when one defines quality at .500+ record with 9 such games on their schedule.
The Broncos have 8 winning teams on their schedule.
If the Colts and Broncos had 2 cream puff teams in their divisions AND another 9-win team as of today in their division, then those teams could say the same. The only reason anyone can say that the Vikes are superior for winning 3x vs. 9-win teams as of today is because of arbitrary distribution. The only reason anyone would cling to that information today is because they don’t believe that the Vikings will still be on top in that respect at season’s end.
Denver, for instance, would be able to say the same had the Hoodie not gone for it on 4th down.
I will speak for myself
But I’ll presume PurpleJesus feel the same.
The only reason anyone would cling to that information today is because they don’t believe that the Vikings will still be on top in that respect at season’s end.
I’m pretty sure the VIkings will win the NFC North and I like our chances in the playoffs. PurpleJesus’ point was we have not had an easier schedule compared to NO or IND.
As far as the Colts. Broncos and “Creampuffs” in their division go, Raiders 4-9 and KC 3-10 and IND has 2 sub .500 teams in the AFC South.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 14, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure I get your point
So by that measure we would then be the only team with 2 wins against a 10 win team.
Shall we continue this meaningless attempt at diminshing what we have accomplished?… Because I really choose not to live my life looking through a black cloud like that. Life is too enjoyable to choose that path.
Splitting hairs...
and who cares anyway?
The Vikes are who they are, blemishes and all….All in all, taken as a whole not a bad complexion to date I would say….They have the third best record in the NFL, and with the exception of one bad game have shined….Warts will appear from time to time….Every team every year….
Even the current two undefeated teams have had more than their share of close games….Tell me NO OR Indy could not have lost 1-2 games if not for luck? Personally I will take my chances and stick with the Vikings…
I am tired of hearing “but but but” and that even after a resounding W we saw tonight and a W/L standing of 11-2 (???)…..C’mon! This season is winding down and I refuse to let anyone rain on my/the Viking parade….
BE IT RESOLVED: I will enjoy however far they get in the playoffs, week by week, victory by victory….Hope all others can do the same….Remember these seasons come only sporadically (when you are a lifelong fan and have been watching them play for 40 years in my case)….
THEREFORE: Bask in this light my fellow Viking fans…..soak up their performance(s) and the submerse your self in this ambience that brings so much satisfaction to the wretched likes of a dude like me (and hopefully you too) LOL!
LASTLY: SKOL and GOOOOOOOOO VIKINGS!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 13, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
The post you're replying to
was a response saying that a previous assertion (that IND is 13-0 because of an easier schedule) was not true.
It’s not like I brought up IND’s record or set out to scrutinize the VIkes.
Correct.
I don’t believe that both will (and I doubt they could), but 1 of them finishing 8-8 isn’t impossible.
The same is true of CHI and CAR on the Vikings’ side.
Correction
It is less likely (but not impossible) for CAR or CHI to pull that off since they are 5-8.
I appreciate people's desire for positivity BUT...
..there’s no need to vilify people who are more pessimistic about the team. Some folks have really tough expectations and a loss like last week’s can really shake them up. I don’t feel that I fall into that crowd myself but I have been burned (like all of us) by this team in the past and it does take a while to pick up the faith and run with it.
I think most nay-sayers are just wanting their team to fix every little problem and play perfect football – the problem is that team’s rarely do that.
I’m hopeful that we’ll make it to the SB this year and win it but I’m also realistic enough to realize just how difficult that road will be. Doesn’t it just figure that we get a really strong team this year and then magically sucky New Orleans is great too? Now we just have to go beat them (after winning our first Playoff game of course) and prove that it’s OUR season, not theirs, this year. SKOL VIKINGS!!
See my reply above.....
Whether they get to the SB and if they do whether they win it all or not, you can still enjoy what is being offered/shown….For all the worry about what the end of the trip may bring, you can forget to enjoy the ride….
Just IMHO….This is what I am doing, and that for sure….If we get the whole enchilada at the end of the ride, cool…If not I can reminisce on the season and great time I had following it….This will be one (along with many others) I can pass on to the grandkids…much to their chagrin probably LOL!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 13, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
BTW....
I am an infernal errrrrrrrrrr eternal optimist too….Can you tell?
; )I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 13, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Good points
I, too, have been trying hard NOT to forget to enjoy the ride along the way, regardless of the outcome.
what??
i don’t watch football to see who can have the best record at the end of the season. i watch to see if the vikings can win it all.
unless your a die hard fan of given team, most people don’t remember what a great season said team had in 1985. they only remember if they won the superbowl.
i enjoy watching the vikings play football no matter how the year goes. i also vastly prefer to watch them win. but simply by watching them, doing a little research and applying a little common sense, you can see problems coming.
you can stick your head in the sand if you like and pretend they don’t exist, but this season is going pretty much how i thought it would so far….
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 14, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
+100
Thank you for speaking out on behalf of fans like me.
I’ve just been too damned disappointed through the years to not panic at the first sign of distress. Have you ever seen that dog that was beaten so many times he shivers and recoils when you reach out to pet him? Ya, pretty much me as a Viking’s fan. They’ve literally beaten the joy out of me to the point that even when they mean well, I fear the worst.
For those of you who don’t know the feeling, good for you. But not everybody’s cut out to be a Navy SEAL.
Do you really think being a Vikings fan is comparable to being a Navy SEAL?
Be a Saints or Colts fan, then you won’t have to shiver.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry. I must suck at analogies because nobody seemed to get that one. I wasn’t implying we were Navy SEALs. Actually kinda the opposite. I was saying unless you were a Navy SEAL, you probably lack the mental fortitude to endure all the losing. At least I certainly don’t. But unlike being a SEAL, which one can voluntarily avoid, it’s kinda hard to just “avoid” being a Viking fan. Its in our blood.
Then I think I got it dead on.
We lost 2 games.
I was saying unless you were a Navy SEAL, you probably lack the mental fortitude to endure all the losing.
It doesn’t take the mental fortitude of a SEAL to suck it up and move on from “All the losing.” Nobody is shooting at you. If that required a lot of mental fortitude from you, I would suggest following a sport where they don’t keep score and everyone gets a medal afterwards.
And being a Viking fan is completely voluntary and easily avoidable.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Special Operations doesn't lose.
Ever. But yeah, they’re off the chart on mental fortitude.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
WOW
favre had a better passer rating than Peyton today. Peyton went 20 for 42, 220yds, 4 TD, 3 INT! 65 passer rating. Favre 73 passer rating. As the caliber of team goes up, 3 INT by even Peyton will send your team home.
Again – there is statistical proof alot of the best QBs in the game have tough Dec and playoff games. That may have something to do with why they say defense wins championships…
Hell Yeah!
I drank the Kool-Aid, and I believe, you said it best MiCardfan,
rock on
Fanatic, and Dogmatic,
hell, they just don't mix!
Going with the D
The defense looked good today. If we make noise come playoff time the D will be the reason. We have the weapons we just need to clean up the penalties. If we end up playing the Saints in the Superdome we can’t afford to have 7,8,9 penalties. We need to keep it to 3 or less for the whole game. We can beat anyone if we just keep the turnovers to 1 or none. Mistakes kill you. We had way to many penalties today.
To: Mrs. Bunnies&Sunshine
It was people like you who smiled, nodded, and clapped as Hitler “fixed the German economy”.
Sorry to spoil your perfect life, but some things in life are negative and somethings are posative. Failing to acknowledge a negative is a grievous error and can lead in some very aweful directions.
The Vikings won today. So lets talk posative. But when they lose, ya, you can bet I’ll notice the difference. I shocks me that you can’t.
Wow, comparing Nazi Germany to professional football
Really? And you want me to take that even remotely seriously…
And isn’t the phrase ‘duckies and bunnies’?
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Extreme analogy? Yes. But you get my point, right?
Sorry, I’m used to posting on political commentary sites. You have to be harsh or be ignored. Maybe I should tone it down a little here.
No one is saying to ignore the negetive
What MCF is saying is that there’s no point to taking a single loss so hard. I know your pain of watching the Vikings blow a season, or snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I’ve been a Vikings fan since about ‘67 (there’s a picture of me in the family photo album in my Vikings PJ’s :)) ) and I know what you’re talking about….
But the Vikings are a very stout team this year, we have a great QB, we have a great record, and we’re nicely positioned for the playoffs. There’s a big picture and like vikefanfromafar says, you should enjoy the ride, too. We don’t often have 11-2 seasons with 3 games left to play :) .
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I don't know I think People were to negative with Hitler..
I’ll say this Jay you can always find something wrong with someone. It’s easy. But as I learned when I got kids. It’s not good to focus on the things they do wrong. All that does is tell them they aren’t good at things. Instead focus on what they do well and that can and will bring up their self image so that they will end up doing better at other areas on their life (with which they may have been struggling).
So now I’m comparing children to football pretty out there analogy… Oh wait.
And as I know your goign to state, do you then ignore their faults? No, I wouldn’t say that, but you don’t nail them with them every time you see it happen either.
"You have to be harsh or be ignored."
That’s the perfect recipe for a flamer. First we’re “Navy SEALS” and now we’re Nazis? It’s a game, get real.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 14, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Whoops, my bad
Didn’t mean to kill it. I was trying to ignite it with genuine intellectual debate rather than agitative goading and self-rigtheous back patting and flag waving. Hate me for my choice of words, fine. But don’t hate just cause I like to debate.
Please don't imply things that were not said
I never called you anything. And I never called anyone a Navy SEAL. And I appologized for the Nazi comment. If you can’t see my points, lets just forget it and move on.
Good post Mil
Always try to stay positive. Especially when we can affect so little of what is actually happening.
The Vikings are a great team, and I enjoy watching them every week. This is one year out of very few where I look forward to watching them not only because it’s the Vikings but also because I believe that we can win any game we play. Now obversly we can lose any game we play as well, but damn isn’t it better when we win?
I don't want to be complacent in 3rd
I wanted the Vikings to be one of the undefeated teams in this possibly historic season. When that became impossible, I wanted to see some quality wins vs. ARI and CIN.
I’m really happy about Sunday’s win vs. CIN, but let’s face it: This season ranks kind of low, all things considered. This is well below the 15-1 Vikes of ‘98. I think it even ranks below the 2000 Vikes who made it to the NFC Championship game. 4 teams had better records that year (only 1 in the AFC), but the Vikings hailed from the best division in the NFL that year. In 1992, 4 teams (3 in the NFC) had better records, and it was a one-and-done for the Vikes. The Cowboys were the best team because they had had a tougher schedule and a better W-L record. Last year’s Steelers team had at least 8 games vs. quality teams (they won 7 of those) on their regular season schedule, so they were better prepared for the playoffs than the Titans, who had beat PIT in the regular season but played fewer games vs. quality opponents overall.
My point is this: It is not wrong to have high expectations for a very talented team of professionals. Let’s hope that the Vikes live up to their salary ranking or better in the playoffs.
lol
whatever…
‘be positive or you suck’
that’s positive.
can you feel it happening? there’s a bit of a shimmy. look that wheel is wobbling a bit i think….nah…here’s some sand i’ll just stick my head back in.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions
It's interesting that
When you see a shimmy instead of looking to plane it out of grease it up, some people state the whole wheel should have been replaced long ago. This is a poor anaolgy in truth because you can replace a wheel with no second thought.
What I was trying to get is there are multiple ways of stating an opinion negativity is just one of them and as far as I am concerned not really a great way to do it. So when people state there are problems on teh team and I’ve seen it since week1 and we won’t win the super bowl blah blah blah. Here’s what I say. Have fun thinking the way you do. I’ll enjoy thinking the way I do. If I do see an issue I can talk about it constructively even though I know it does no earthly good, but it does just as much good to B&M about it. Being positive isn’t burying your head. Being positive is seeing issues and knowing you have a way around it. And if worse comes to worse and we don’t go anywhere, realizing that it was a great season and I’m damn happy I got to be a witness to it!
analogy? what analogy?
whose b&m’ing? i just don’t like being told to basically stfu if i don’t agree with the general concensus.
i’m sure i enjoyed sunday’s game just as much as anybody else. that doesn’t mean i have to agree with everyone that we already have this years trophy case built for our lombardi and it’s only a formality that we wait to fill it.
call that negative all you like and we can debate all the pros and cons and i’ll be just as polite as can be.
but posts like this telling everyone who doesn’t agree to stfu make me want to do just the opposite and not nearly as politely.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 14, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure I read the same post you did
Or maybe you interpeted it as you wanted…..
Where did it say we built a trophy case for the Lombardi? Where did it say it was a formality?
This team has accomplished a lot and certainly has a lot more to do. No team is a formality to win the Lombardi any year….just look at NE’s 18-0 season. That being said, right now we are the #5 offense in the NFL and the # 7 defense. I think that sizes up pretty well against anyone including NO’s # 1 offense and # 21 defense!
Call me MR Sunshine if you’d like but I choose to enjoy this season, not B&M.
where’s the b&m? other than i don’t like to be told to stfu if i don’t agree with someone?
what has this team accomplished other than securing a playoff spot? because i’m still skeptical about this team being able to win the superbowl i’m b&m’ing?
so because i don’t constant post about how awesome we are and how we’re going to win a superbowl i’m b&m’ing? i don’t see it.
read.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
No
maybe you should ead my response. You totally avoided everything I said and took it in another direction continuing to B about “what we haven’t” accomplished.
To be more specific, I asked:
Where did it say we built a trophy case for the Lombardi? Where did it say it was a formality?
Answer: Ignored
Where did I specifically say you B&M’d although you obvously are. I said about myself:
Call me MR Sunshine if you’d like but I choose to enjoy this season, not B&M.
Now, what has this team accomplished? Read this or ignore it again:
right now we are the #5 offense in the NFL and the # 7 defense. I think that sizes up pretty well against anyone including NO’s # 1 offense and # 21 defense!
Frankly, I will choose not to bring down my day with such a negative outlook. Additionally I choose not to converse with those with such an attitude.
Good day.
He probably will
So many people who choose to look at the dark side of things. What a horrible way of life that must be…
you’re right. it is so horrible to be prepared.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 17, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
maybe if was we wouldn’t have bridges collapsing and banks that need bailing out.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
bridges will
always collapse…whether it be earthquakes or other phenomenom…. Banks were saved, and that was without preparing to fail, or better said, see gloom.
So, as I said elsewhere, this conversation is over. I choose to live my life with a much more positive outlook and not be brought down by anyone.
perhaps you should read my post?
i didn’t respond to the trophy comment because it came from my post and is part of the ’we’re not allowed to be negative’ theme here. you can figure it out, just ask around.
Where did I specifically say you B&M’d although you obvously are.
that would be here:
Call me MR Sunshine if you’d like but I choose to enjoy this season, not B&M.
and since it is in direct reply to my comment, it is implied that i am the one b&ming.
as for your last comment, i see your numbers, i saw them in the prior post as well. but last time i checked, being ranked #whatever in week 15 isn’t considered an accomplishment in any sport. winning the division which we did last year is an accomplishment, winning the nfc championship would be an accomplishment, and both of those pale in comparision to winning the superbowl which is the whole point of the entire nfl. we’ve done none of those things although we can match last seasons accomplishment if we win or the pack loses this weekend.
Frankly, I will choose not to bring down my day with such a negative outlook. Additionally I choose not to converse with those with such an attitude.
and yet, you did, which is the entire point of this site. not create posts telling everyone to shut up and go away.
good day to you as well
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 17, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well I hope that I didn't come across
As telling you that you couldn’t feel the way you feel or discuss what you need to discuss. Wow I’ve been reading to many self help books.
Ok here’s the deal. The games football, if the chatting in here hurts your feelings man up!
There now I feel like a man again, back to my book ‘How to feel like you should really feel’
you didn’t come across that way but the original post does:
Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, shut up.
If you’re not on the positivity train, go away.
well guess what? i’m a viking fan, but i’m not on the positivity train. so i’m going to post here because this is a site devoted to my team. i’m sorry but i don’t think we’ll get it done this year. does that mean i’m not allowed to post anymore because i have a dissenting opinion? that would make for interesting reading wouldn’t it?
‘hey everybody! we’re great!’
‘yeah’
‘okay then’ repeat
this team isn’t perfect, no team is, so to think that everyone is going post all happy happy joy joy is ridiculous. and creating posts that tell everyone to shut up and go away if you don’t agree is also ridiculous.
i’m not going into what i see wrong with the team, i’ve done all that in a lot of debates earlier in the season. not much to say right now anyway, things are going as expected. but i’m also not going to remain silent when people try and squash others opinions.
you can join in with ’you’re wrong so shut up’ group as you seem to be doing, but i won’t be joining you. everyone has a right to express their opinion here…even puddnhead! (couldn’t resist puddn!)
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 15, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Lets see brother
I don’t think anyone here is stating what people can and can’t say. At least I hope they aren’t. Heck I hope I’m not coming across that way. What I was trying to do was move the argument away from personal attacks where I was afraid it was heading and back to talking about football. I personally am open minded about the whole thing. I like to come across as positive because I think it sends a better message, but i do understand we’ve been here before and getting your hopes up can be a brutal let down if we fail. I think some people worry that if you are to up beat you will risk sounding cocky while other people think if your to gloomy then your already acting like we’ve lost.
Only thing I’m sure of is we need both attitudes. Theings don’t get done well when everyone is thinking the same way. So be happy that we’re different express your ideas please, but I would appreciate it if we all just got along! :D
Now I’m sounding like tiny Tim… Going to have to go punch a cat or something to get my man card back.
you’re right grime and i agree 100%. my point wasn’t directed at you in my original post, it was directed at milcardfan for his original fanpost where he did indeed attempt to tell people what they can and can’t say. the whole point of the post was to tell everyone who doesn’t agree to shut up and go away.
that’s what i have a problem with.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 17, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
end of post
I believe we should end close out this post.
It has always been my opinion that this site was not for people calling otu other people and being outright confrontatious. I believe that is the goal hear and I don;t see any purpose on your responses, or the tone for that matter.
wow...
did you even read the original post??? the entire original post by milcardfan was one big ‘confrontatious’ call out against people who weren’t quite ready to crown the vikings superbowl champs just yet!
READ people….
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 18, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I did
and this conversation is over. Like I said, I choose not to live with such a bleak outlook. You sir, may live anyway you like.
well thanks for allowing me to have my own opinion.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
+ bunches for this one too!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 15, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions
I just don't understand the mentality
where doom and gloom is around every corner and under every rock. No team in the NFL is perfect, even NO and Indy. But I really feel that if the Vikings bring their ‘A’ game, they can beat anyone. And if an opponent schemes to take away a significant portion of the Vikings offense, they have the capability to counter that and be successful. And I haven’t felt that way about this team in about 10 years.
Can they lose? Sure, the Arizona game proved that. But the Bengals game also proved that that Arizona performance was an anomaly, not a trend.
I choose to look at the good things this team has accomplished, and look forward to seeing what they can do in the post season. Can they win the Super Bowl? Yes. Will they? I don’t know. But I do know I will look forward to games with excitement, not doom and gloom.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
+ bunches
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 15, 2009 4:39 AM CST up reply actions
Can they win the Super Bowl? Yes.
this is apparently where we disagree, but according to your original posts, those that think that should shut up and not post here, which is also where we disagree.
i didn’t form this opinion because of the arizona game though :)
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 15, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think that the Vikes have a chance at winning the super bowl? Why not? Do you think that the Saints are that much more dominant than we are? HAve you seen their defense? Have you seen all the close games against mediocre opponents?
It is the Colts? I’m even less concerned about them, and I think we have a chance against the Chargers as well.
Or is this a worry that the Vikes will implode, Childress won’t be able to hold the team together and it will be 1998 all over again (or any of the other myriad play offs we made that we went no where in)
I’ll say this. I think that this team can beat any team in the NFL. That is not just blind hope but a deductive reasoning based on seeing them and the teams we will be facing in the playoffs. I guess I’m not really sure how you can say we have ‘no’ chance at winning the whole thing. Not even 1%?
We always have a chance... Every year. :)
Might not be the best of chances, but you know, that’s what’s so awesome about being the underdog and pulling it out. There’s one thing about the Vikings that’s been there from their very first game in the NFL – You can never, ever, count them out.
Doesn’t matter how bad they’ve been playing, any team which assumes a victory over the Minnesota Vikings often ends up with their azz handed to them on a silver platter.
While I agree that we really do need to enjoy the team we have, and enjoy the ride and the record… I’m also standing with those who are here to win. I don’t care about the years with a great record, in the end those are forgotten. What we remember are the teams that make it to the NFC Championship, or BETTER. And that’s what I root for, each and every year, for the Vikings.
Let’s go all the way!! SKOL VIKINGS!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
really grime i don’t think much of the vikings chances this year. and no it doesn’t stem from the anything in viking history. my opinion is 100% from this team that we have this year and this year only.
my opinion arises from a lack of faith that chilly is a superbowl caliber coach and that favre can win clutch games in january. i just don’t believe in those guys. i think we made a big mistake signing favre and big mistake extending chillys contract.
i think chilly will field good teams while he’s here and we’ll be in the playoffs on a regular basis and superbowl ‘contenders’ more than once. i just don’t think he has the killer coaching instinct to win the superbowl.
my opinions about favre are well documented here on the dn and i don’t want to rehash it all again. favre tanks at the end of the year and is 2-5 in the playoffs over the last 10 years. he can’t get it done.
i’m not on here every day posting this same stuff over and over again, but when someone starts a thread telling me i’m not allowed to post my dissenting views then i’m going to come out and post my dissenting views. and i’d be ecstatic to be proven wrong.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 17, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well buddy, I hope you're dead wrong :)
But that’s your right too. Who knows, maybe you’re right.
Me, I don’t possess your certainty on the issue, either way. I hope, I believe, I support, this year as I do every year. And I have faith that, if nothing else, by sure numbers and time, one of these years will be a VERY PURPLE VICTORY :)
Remember Peter Jackson’s movies, ‘The Lord of the Rings’ trilogy? At one point, in Rohan, after Aragorn & Co. leave for the Paths of the Dead and King Theoden is left standing with his warriors who are uncertain of what will happen next. The exchange goes something like this;
Gamling: He leaves because there is no hope.
Theoden: He leaves because he must.
Gamling: Too few have come. We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor.
Theoden: No. We cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.
- The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson
That’s how I look at it. Whether I think we will win, or not, is irrelevant. That the Vikings take the field, and fight the good fight, is everything. ‘We will meet them in battle, nonetheless.’ Hopefully they are victorious :)
And you know… I’ve seen too many darned good teams, Vikings and otherwise, lose to inferior teams long before getting to the Super Bowl, to believe that they have to be the best team, the best coached, or have the best players. What they have to do is to do their best, to play their best, and hopefully that will be enough.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Dec 17, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Three thumbs up.....
The mindset is spot on…
Better to fight the fight and if we lose, lose valiently….
Than to not have fought at all…
I will be happy if they get to the SB “fight”….
Of course MUCH happier when they win the battle…
As it is written here….the best…
I believe….
Let’s see?
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 18, 2009 2:11 AM CST up reply actions
and...
doesn’t Favre the Grey become Favre the White and come sweeping down in January to wipe out the opposition?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
i agree with you 100% dc
i also hope i am dead wrong.
look i didn’t orginally post here to say ‘blah blah you’re all wrong and the vikings will lose’
i originally posted here because the fanpost stated:
Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, shut up.
and :
If you’re not on the positivity train, go away.
i’m sorry i really disagree with posts that tell people to shut up and go away. are you all telling me that if i had created a fanpost saying everyone who thinks the vikings are going to win the superbowl need to shut up and go away that you wouldn’t post on it telling me to basically go to hell?
i love the vikings. i love to watch the vikings. i love to discuss the vikings. this whole site is devoted to discussions about the vikings. telling those with differing opinions to shut up and go away goes against the entire point of this site!
if you don’t like someones opinion, debate if you’d like or not as you choose, but to call everyone out to shut up and go away. i’m sorry, i’m going to respond to that.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 18, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I see where you coming from with Chilly and Favre
But I think the team Favre is playing with this year is better than most of the teams he went to the playoffs previously with. As well every team out there that is making a super bowl push has what I see as weaknesses. New Orleans may not have a coach or QB issue, but they do have a defensive issue and I truly think they will sputter when they hit the play offs. To many of them want to see 16 game streak and once you accomplish something it is difficult to change you goals quickly. Colts? Well Payton is amazing, their running game is seriously suspect and their defense allows runs. Chargers, well how many play off games have they won in the past?
So I do get where your coming from and I see the issues with our team, but if I look around objectively I can see at least as many problems with the other teams that are currently making the push.
Hope that makes sense.
it makes perfect sense
but apparently people don’t want to examine our weaknesses and we should just shut up about it and go away.
that was my entire point in almost every single post on this thread.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 18, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
This thread is looking pretty wrong considering this awful performance agains the Panthers.
Adrian Peterson = AWOL, nowhere to be found. Thanks AD. Time to trade his under-achieving @$$ and get a good QB to replace aging Favre, who’s doing the best he can but is wearing down with the season.
Our O-line = inconsistent at best, awful as of late.
Play-calling looks pretty shaky too.
Sorry folks, this isn’t a Super Bowl bound team and at this rate, it’s not even a #2 seed team. Not by a bloody longshot.
Thanks Vikes, you’ve reminded me why I stopped watching you for a few years, just to save my sanity. \:(
really?
Are you so ‘small-minded’ that you fail to see that this game is about match-ups and player-on-player execution.
the Vikings lost a game – lost the match-ups that mattered… it happens. The good news is we won’t see the Panthers in the playoffs!
there IS something wrong with our O-Line… not sure what it is, but something needs to change there.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
I have no idea why they didn’t double Peppers. I mean he was eating Favres lunch all night long and we take out the starter and put in a back up and still don’t double him? That’s just inexcusable. Best part is he moved off of Loadholt and over to McKinney. Dang it!!!
Also Steve Smith beat the snot out of us. We had no pressure on Moore and we made him look like Peyton Manning. There is somehing terribly wrong with our O-Line ever since the Cards game I don’t know if McKinney is playing hurt or what, but we need to get that resolved even if it means sitting him out of games to rest him.
As for the D, well when the D plays at least 2/3rds of the game what do you expect?
Really? When was the last time your offense was consistently good? The passing game has been mediocre at best for 3 straight games now. Only one of three games saw any kind of rushing game. The defense had one really good game and two pretty crappy ones…it was JUST about matchups and execution though?
Hmmm, when was the last time you had a Hall of Fame QB? Hmmm....
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Yes.
Football is a game about 1:1 matchups. Each player’s job is to go out and beat the player matched up against them.
If 1 or 2 key positions fail to do their job (on any given play) – that is, win their individual matchup, the play/team suffers.
Just because Aaron Rodgers steps on the field, does not make the Packers an instant winner… your WRs don’t get open (execute against their matchup) and Aaron ends up crushed because he has no one to throw to (and he holds the ball too long). Or… your rookie DB loses his matchup against a rookie WR and your team loses as time expires against the Steelers. Is that McCarthy’s fault? The entire Defense??
The same holds true for every team in the NFL. The 1:1 battles DO matter.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I’m big on the 1:1 matchups too. I think if you have that licked, everything else will fall into place. I like man-to-man coverage, you build the best secondary and dare them to throw on you.
To me, Zone D is another way of admitting that your secondary is inadequate and you’re going to concede the short or medium gains in exchange for stopping the bombs. The only time Zone makes sense to me is when you’re looking to stop a TD to win the game, otherwise it’s going give up enough short-yardage to guarantee a FG.
But the Vikings play Zone all the time, and it drives me nuts when I see it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Of course they do
I think what TrevorR was trying to say is 2 of the last 3 weeks your guys haven’t been winning their matchups.
by packallday555 on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Wow TrevorR I usually don't see you as a troll
But that post left little to recomend it. I guess I could go over to ACME and just start talkign garbage about the Pack. That would be acceptable?
what did he say that wasn’t true? i don’t like any of that crap either but it’s the truth.
he asked a legit question in my opinion. i just hope chilly and co. have better answers than i’ve seen so far.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
There are different ways to state things.
I could say your a pessimistic A-hole who can’t enjoy himself because of blah blah blah. Or I could say your a fan of the best team in the world with your attitude set up to see the flaws in the system so we can better go about fixing them.
Now they are both basically saying the same thing but one is troll worthy and the other is discussion worthy.
By the way no offense was intended in this post.
Yep
That is my heartburn with the gloomers….they generally want to paint a wide swath of it (gloom and woe is me/us and we suck etc.) rather than get to specifics and posiitive suggestions/ideas….
The world would truly be a dark place were the glasses these people wear worn by all….I say take ’em off and have a discussion objectively…..These people would also say I have rose or purple colored glasses on and cannot see their reality….
Part if the reason they lose credibility is that they only whine and make generalizations that are designed to bring the morale down of all….Of course me saying this will bring an onslaught of their self righteous comments on how this is an open site and they can post their opinions (and they will be right they can post)….
I will reply now saying yes they have that right….and I have the right to comment on their comments that I think are BS……
(1) Yes we have issues to solve…..(2) no I do not think Vikings suck,(3) yes they have had two bad games this season, (3) no they are not as bad as many teams we have fielded in the past, (4) yes they have room for improvement, (5) no I do not see their contention that we are finished….and lastly (6) NO I will not stop supporting the team even if they have a fail in the playoffs…..
Let’s remember that they beat Green BaY TWICE this year….if NOTHING else happens in our favor, I will remember the season for that…and the many short or long term fans that seemed to wish failure if it happens on them…..pitiful….really think they may be happier as New Orleans fans…Who Dat? Dat is dem!
No offense intended to the New Orleans fans or team BTW…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
He said your passing offense hasn’t been particulary good the past 3 weeks. Is that not true? What he said would be comparable to you coming over to our blog and saying our pass defense is weak. I don’t consider what he did “talking garbage” nor would I consider you saying our pass defense is weak as “talking garbage”.
Your o-line has stuggled the pass 3 weeks with pass blocking and run blocking, and as a result AP has been relatively quiet and Favre hasn’t looked like the same player he had been in the first half of the season. Would you consider that talking garbage?
by packallday555 on Dec 22, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
it’s one thing when you come by everyonce and a while and state ideas. It’s actually another when you only come over when we lost to comment on the losses. As stated it would be like me going over to Acme and takling aobut your loss to Pitt. Since I just came out of no where and people know I’m a Vikes fan I’m pretty sure I know what kind of reaction I would get if I wandered over there just for that reason.
Good for the goose good for the gander? Well I would hope we would be above it all, so I won’t go and post anything like that on your site.
Have a nice Christmas!
Then walk the walk, don't just talk the talk
If it bothers you so much, if your sanity is suffering, do what’s best for you; Walk away.
Don’t just talk about it, put your actions where your mouth is and go do something else for fun.
But hanging out here and trying to convince everyone else to your defeatism is just petty and vicious. Please stop.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Um the same could be said about your blind and ill-supported optimism, too.
It’s just as annoying and frustrating to hear people toss out retarded platitudes that do little to address the many serious issues this team obviously seems to have hidden for much of the season. Hiding your head in the sand refusing to acknowledge that we may very well be in trouble is just as lame for those of us who’d rather face the facts head-on. :(
New Orleans seeking fans.....
They are still taking applications I hear!
Seriously if you can’t take the heat of being a Vikings fan, best to walk away….
Viking fandom is not for the lighthearted….
I do not think that because they have issues to solve means that we throw in the towel as some seem to believe….woe is me/us/Vikings…please!
Better for those ilk to go to NO…..
or maybe irrational exuberence of a Packer fan better yet?
Your choice…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 3:04 AM CST up reply actions
Go back to APC
Good news from Sunday: Packers lost too, haha!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Nope!
the Sun is shining on the NFC North Champions… did I mention BACK-TO-BACK champions?
No?
Minnesota VIKINGS… NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS! BACK-TO-BACK
Thank you for your FAIL yesterday – Green Bay Packers!
That makes 18 Division Championships for the MINNESOTA VIKINGS!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention TWO wins this season against the Packers.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Yep the sky is falling….
For the Packers!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 3:06 AM CST up reply actions
Someone is showing their bitter beer face
Seriously go suck on some cheese the sky is not falling and i hope to God we see your lousy asses in Jan. This was our Tampa Bay game, just thanking God the Panthers don’t suck as bad as Tampa does.
Yes.....
In regards to the continuum of sucktitude, the Tampa loss by GB was a bigger “suck” by far than ours against the Panthers, no doubt!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it TrevorR!!!!
While your at it, think about/add in the two losses you had against us this year too!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
How you feeling now?
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 AM CST up reply actions
ooh my feelings are hurt…I am so sad, those were such great comebacks. Oh man what am I going to do?
“Put that in your pipe and smoke it”??? Seriously did you REALLY just say that?
I feel great…we played a tough game and lost against a team that embarrassed you guys earlier this year. You just came off two TERRIBLE losses and one game where you looked mediocre yet still won. Yeah your team looks great…keep feeling confident about them. I can’t wait to see your hearts all break AGAIN in the playoffs!!
Wait…you get an excuse for your “Tampa Bay game” and we don’t? All I heard all year from the stooges from here that came by APC is that its inexcusable and clearly the Packers are a shitty team cause they would lose to someone like that. I guess those words can bite you all in the ass sometimes.
The pack may be a good team
but their fans are obviously crappy people. That’s just a fact that you keep proving TrevorR. As for the Tampa Bay game well, yeah, pretty much we both had one that is what I was stating. However Carolina is a better team than Tampa so no I don’t feel quite as bad with this loss. You lost to Pitt. We did too, we lost on two crappy turnovers late in the game that were ran back for TD’s. You lost because your kicker has an issue about getting points… Let’s see I know you’ve lost other games but I guess right now they escape me…
Anyway Trev, either you have a lot of hate stuck inside you, which if it is the case I feel for you and would point you to meditation it works wonders for me. Or your just a prick.
Grow up mate or are you trying to match what you called Ds and look like a whiney 10 year old girl?
You missed the point completely Grime. Someone chimes in about YOUR team and all the group can do is deflect…“well at least they aren’t the packers” or some idiotic junior high comeback like that. I would expect more from grown ups which I assume most of you are.
Your little buddies from here bring out the prick in people by stopping by all the time to try to rub losses in our faces. Just giving you a little taste of what its like. Viking fans are some of the most smug and annoying people out there. Just take a look in the mirror from time to time. Please.
PLEASE
Take your own advice
Just take a look in the mirror from time to time. Please.
I can’t control anybody here except me. You come across as a teenage troll yourself, given your comments and attitude. Do you think you’re trolling over here is going to increase or decrease the trolling on APC?
And HEY, AT LEAST WE’RE NOT THE PACKERS! THEY SUCK!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 23, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah....
Packers, the sky IS falling for you lol!
Way to pull it out in Sunday against the Steelers….
Errrrrrr….. wait a sec……..Oh I’m sorry….
You lost!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions
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