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Favre hints he may be gone after this season

In a USA today interview piece published today (link at bottom).  Not exactly surprising this is coming up this time of year, if you've been following the man as I have.  I urge people to not read too much into this, and not get too worked up about.  It's just what he does ... that's why some have called him the Hamlet of Mississippi. 

Since it's all off the football field that these doubts and hesitation comes up, may I suggest doing as I do: just shrug, accept it, and keep enjoying watching him play. What he says at this time of year, historically speaking, has had almost no correlation to what he actually ends up doing the following spring:

  1. after 2006 he was strongly hinting he would quit (he broke down crying about "what a great run its been and I'll miss the guys if I don't come back" in the postgame interview after week 17), and he decided relatively quickly he would not; in fact he hired a personal trainer and worked out the entire offseason
  2. after 2007 he didn't talk much at all about quitting, and then of course he (in)famously did; surprising everyone,
  3. after 2008, well ...everyone here is intimately familiar with that, he said he was done, then he wasn't.  And that was just February; he did it all over again in August!

This is just what comes with Favre.  Like I said, I counsel just shrugging and moving on.  In any case, if you read the interview, what USA Today says he is thinking about retiring is not really supported too much by direct quotes.  They may just be taking a small "Sure, I could retire I suppose" and blowing it up to something more than it is.

He also talks about his addiction to painkillers back in the day -- and how he's now taking 2400mg of ibuporofen a day (!) instead -- and how his relationship with his dad was complex (the anniversary of his death is coming up, I imagine this is why he's thinking about him).  So if the Hamlet parallels were not complete already, this "ghost of his dad" stuff just about ices it :).  And lots of stuff about wanting a son, doing in-vitro and having three miscairages trying to do it ... lots of personal stuff which I doubt he's ever said before.

MY TAKE: This introspection does make me a little nervous where Brett is at right now. Compounded a bit by the description of all the pain he is in. If he gets too wrapped up in it, it might affect his play. But on the other hand, I think this talk of retirement may be blown out of proportion, in the context of the pain he is in, excerpted in the last quote below, can you blame a 40yo guy for sometimes wondering "do I really need -- do I really want -- to keep doing this to myself?"  It isn't that unnatural.  I really am starting to hope that we lock down the #2 seed this weekend, and then the next three weeks he gets a lot of opportunity to recuperate.

Star-divide

A few choice bits:

The Vikings' success this year has created high expectations for a Minnesota franchise that is 0-4 in Super Bowls. Favre strongly hints he will retire if he can captain the Vikings to their first championship. "Yeah," Favre says, "I'd be pretty comfortable saying, 'Hey, there ain't nothin' left. …."  However, "I'm not going to sit there and go, 'Oh, my God' if the Vikings don't win the Super Bowl, he says. "I'd love to get there, but it's not make-or-break for me."

 

Favre says he never felt comfortable with his passing fundamentals, which he felt were stunted under his father's coaching. To this day, Favre's unorthodox style — falling back as he throws, firing the football off-balance from weird angles — leaves his mechanics flawed, though his arm strength and improvisational skills more than make up for it. "My dad taught me toughness, but that was it. I was so far behind" as a passer, he says. "I always felt like I was trying to prove to him that I could throw it 80 yards, and through a wall."

 

Father and son were a lot alike — plain-spoken, fun-loving and stubborn. But Brett was even more like his grandfather, Alvin Favre: Big-hearted and somewhat reclusive, though engaging when in a group.

"You would never know Brett is really sort of distant," says Jeff Favre, a younger brother. "He always has been different. He was who he was before he made it in the NFL."

 

"A couple of weeks ago, I felt terrible," he says. "Both ankles; there was no movement (getting out of bed). I was hobbling. The previous week, I was slammed on my shoulder. I tried lifting my arms and they felt like they weighed 20 pounds. My legs? They're strong, but I don't trust 'em (to run far)." ... when it comes to concussions, the NFL's hot-button topic, well, he's a bit foggy on his medical history.  "It's no laughing matter, but I've had more than I can remember," Favre says. "You are going to see stars a little bit. I mean, it is football."

 

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And So It Begins....

Come on, everyone knew when the Vikings signed Favre that we were in a for a year, or two, or three, of ESPN-fueled will-he-or-won’t-he-retire drama.

It’s just an (annoying) part of the Favre deal.

by Midnight Rambler on Dec 18, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

Nothing new...

yeah if the vikings win the superbowl Favre is done. That’s basically all this article says.

by dsludo on Dec 18, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

And let the drama begin!

Im retiring……well, not sure, will need time…….Im retiring…….woops, you cut me, but I don’t wanna retire…….maybe I will, just not sure if I can take it………Im retired…….Oh, training camp is almost over? Im unretiring………

"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"

by VikesFaninNM on Dec 18, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions  

No I think this is different

In Green Bay (because of Ted Thompson) and New York (because of outdoors, non-West Coast playbook, unfamiliar coaches, snarky teammates, nasty fans, etc etc etc) he was in places that he was ambivalent about. Let me just be blunt about the latter case: he manipulated the Jets to get out of there, he so never wanted to be there in the first place.

In Minnesota, he is where he wants to be, if he wants to be anywhere. If he wants to keep playing, he’ll just keep playing here. He doesn’t want to play anywhere else now. So there definitely won’t be any “cut me, but I don’t wanna retire” stuff like you suggest.

by puddnhead on Dec 18, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he's bought that TV at Sears yet.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 18, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I bought it :)

But I got it at newegg.com

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

you ever notice that the ship on the tv in that commercial looks just like the ship from our very own DN?

by iseepurplepeople on Dec 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, no, I didn’t… but in the Samsung commercial, without Favre, the Vikings are very prominent :))

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

And it will

all be worth it for our first SuperBowl victory!

by KC612 on Dec 18, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

PHAT Pat

Said he’d be done too if they Vikes win the big one. Sort of hilarious in a way, he said he’d walk off the field in his skivies after tossing his pads and uniform to the fans. That…would…be..AWESOME!

by Jepp The Viking on Dec 18, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

Great Article! Thanks puddnhead for finding it.

The Reason I have always been a Brett Favre Fan and supporter is cause Favre is so down to earth, fun loving, and the Greatest QB in NFL History of course. This article was awesome.

It really brings out the flip flopping issue, when he explains that:

That lingering insecurity helps explain his longevity, Favre says. His enduring philosophy: “You’re only as good as your last pass.”

When the Vikings win Super Bowl XLIV, and Favre decides to really retire it will be a very sad day. 20 years of my life have been spent watching the Greatest QB in NFL History doing what he does best (playing the game with passion and love of winning).

HOPEFULLY, Favre starts hearing his enduring philosophy echoing in his head:

“You’re only as good as your last pass.”

And favre decides to play again in 2010!

The Man, The Myth, and The Legend!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Dec 18, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

Keep this in mind: he doesn't plan ahead

First of all, as a Vikings fan I have come full circle from not liking Brett Favre—because he hurt the Vikings so much and was so great in a Packers uniform for so long—to loving and respecting Brett Favre for who he is as a man and an athlete.

Brett Favre is a man of the moment. He does not have a clear picture of what he is going to be doing very far in advance in much detail.

Favre often has long talks with reporters because as an A-list celebrity, he can’t go someplace and hang out in a bar or anything. He is always stuck somewhere. On the road, he often ends up talking to reporters in his hotel room. Favre wears his heart on his sleeve. He has been through a lot of football games. He has an open-book personality. Thus, a lot of times he ends up saying stuff to reporters that is pretty unique and fascinating.

Every once in a while, he is going to make a comment about retirement. Eventually, he will retire. That might be after this season, or later.

On the football field, one of his greatest strengths is improvisation. Defenses can’t figure out what he’s going to do, because many times he doesn’t know what he’s going to do until a split second before he does it. As in football, so in life.

Favre does not have a secret plan for when to retire. He will decide that when he decides that. Eventually he will retire, and that’s why it’s important to keep developing Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. We will probably draft a quarterback or two next year. If Favre comes back, he will start. If not, we will still have a good quarterback ready to go.

I admire Brett Favre a lot, and I think as Vikings fans we just have to keep enjoying this time he is giving our team. Of course we want him back next year, but let’s just enjoy the moment.

by medicineball on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Yes

Some here know that I have connections in NE Wisconsin, I just moved away from there four months ago. A friend of a friend story here, so take it with a grain of salt.

This friend of a friend works in some equipment capacity at Lambeau. This friend-, and other connections, has passed on a lot of what goes on inside Lambeau. Lets just say the relationship between the incumbent football powers (GM and coach) and permanent non-talent staff are frosty in recent years (some of this even surfaced in the media a month or two back, when McCarthy had a 20 year guy fired for just saying in passing to him in a hallway “don’t lay an egg on Sunday”).

What a lot of people don’t realize is that Favre developed many deep & sincere friendships with this “non talent” staff over the years (and also many people around town — ironically, I think the anti-favre feeling is a lot lower in Green Bay than it is in the rest of Wisconsin; in Green Bay they had a hard time keeping Viking #4 jerseys in stock). At the end he was more comfortable around those people than he was around coaches and most teammates.

In the context of what was going down in the summer of ‘08 with Favre in Green Bay, that showdown was obviously the main buzz around the place. Among other things I remember this friend telling me that the equipment staff inside Lambeau laughing at the suggestions that Favre had some grand, elaborate scheme to get out of his contract with Green Bay to go to the Vikings I think the quote was "Brett Favre can’t plan what he’s gonna eat for lunch each day, forget about something that elaborate!"

by puddnhead on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I didn't care

for Brett Favre the Packer. I always liked and respected Brett Favre the player and Brett Favre the person though I’ve never even met the man. He just seems like a regular guy.

by KC612 on Dec 18, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Before anyone points out that

I didn’t want him coming here. The reason was because I had doubts about him being able to play within our system and how he’d hold up physically as a 40 year old QB in the league.

by KC612 on Dec 18, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

That he is.

His arm sure seems to be holding up well. Hopefully we can run all over our next few opponents limiting his throws and keeping that arm fresh for our post season run.

by KC612 on Dec 18, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

I Just Read the Article.....

and it was interesting to read about his Dad, Big Irv.
When BF was in college at USM, he was involved in a very serious car wreck, and the surgeons removed a huge amount of his intestines, small intestines, I think it was. His Dad insisted he return to playing football THAT SAME SEASON, in fact, he was back on the field in a few weeks, can’t remember exactly how many. My parents, even my old Daddy who played for USM back in the leather helmet days, were horrified that his Dad forced him back on the field so soon after such serious injuries and surgery.
I couldn’t believe BF’s feelings toward him could be all positive, and this article shows that they weren’t.

by MissButterfly on Dec 18, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

#4's replacement

Even with all the will he or won’t he, I’ve always had the feeling the guy just flips and coin and lets fate deceide. No matter what he chooses this year, the Vikings have to find his replacement either in free agency or the draft…..this year.

by MinnesotaRage on Dec 19, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Well, this was part of the package

We dished it out for years, so we need to be able to take it. And Honest to God, if he helps the Vikes win the SB, I don’t care if he hold a press conference every day, and switches back and forth between playing or retirement.

I really don’t.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by Ted Glover on Dec 19, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

We should have a pretty good idea...

Early September 2010.

I’ll check back then ;-)

Regards,

I don't suffer from insanity...I relish every moment of it!

by the Dragon on Dec 20, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I have to rec this.

It was amazing that you found this article, I’m really glad. It was a great article.

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Dec 20, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

Plus the Childress Factor

If this shism between Favre and Childress continues, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him request his release and either retire or go onto a 3rd team in 3 years. Or maybe he will be traded to Chicago for Jay Cutler?

by KC Viking on Dec 23, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions  

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