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How Worried Should the Vikings Be About Adrian Peterson?

Imagine if you will. . .a running back so great, so outstanding, so elite that when he averages nearly 100 yards and a touchdown per game throughout the course of a season, the first question everyone asks is, "What's wrong with him?"  For Vikings fans, there's no need to imagine, as we have a running back fitting exactly that description on the roster right now.  Yes, folks, I'm speaking of the best running back in the National Football League, #28 in your program and #1 in your hearts, Adrian Peterson.

Through the first 11 games of the 2009 season, Peterson has rushed for 1084 yards (98.5 yards/game) and scored 12 touchdowns.  This despite things like what we heard from Vikings' offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell after Sunday's victory over Chicago. . .

"They just had everybody in there in the box," offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell said. "They were slamming everything against the formation, slanting their front, putting the safety on the backside coming. They were just doing everything they could to stop the run game. … [But] that’s where we’ve gotten to at this point, where you can flip it over and say, ‘Hey, just start throwing it.’"

Yes, folks, the Vikings have a quarterback that, through the first eleven games of the year, has thrown eight times as many touchdown passes as interceptions. . .and defenses are still scared to death of Adrian Peterson beating them.  What does that say for how worried we should be about Adrian Peterson?

The one worry about the best running back in the league is that he's developing a propensity for putting the ball on the ground.  In 41 career NFL games, Peterson has put the ball on the turf 19 times, and the Vikings have lost 12 of those fumbles.  However, of Peterson's five lost fumbles this season, opponents have managed to take advantage exactly twice for a total of ten points.  The Lions got a field goal following a Peterson fumble back in Week 2, and Clay Matthews of the Packers fluked his way into a touchdown on a play where the whistle should have blown everything dead.  And, despite Peterson's fumbles, the Vikings still have the second-fewest turnovers in the NFL with 11.

To this point, Peterson's fumbles haven't been killers. . .far from it.  Does he need to learn to hang on to the ball a bit better?  Certainly, he does.  But he's not the only great back in NFL history with a propensity for the fumble.  In his first four years in the NFL, Eric Dickerson averaged twelve fumbles a season.  Walter Payton coughed the ball up 30 times in his first three seasons.  I don't think there was a whole lot of worry about either of those guys, because their teams knew that their production on the field far, far outweighed the potential cons of a fumble.  Don't get me wrong, Chester Taylor's a nice back and everything. . .but he's no Adrian Peterson.  Heck, if he was Adrian Peterson, then the Vikings wouldn't have drafted Adrian Peterson, and then we wouldn't be talking about Adrian Peterson because there wouldn't be any Adrian Peterson in Minnesota.

Adrian Peterson.

(Man, was that Madden-esque enough for everyone?  Now I know how Frank Caliendo feels.)

I also realize that Peterson's production hasn't been quite what it was last season, either.  But, if teams are going to continue to defend the Vikings like they're starting Spergon Wynn at quarterback, Peterson's explosiveness may be limited.  But I've got a funny feeling that when we need the kid most, he'll be ready, willing, and able to deliver like he has the entire time that he's been in Minnesota.

So how worried should the Vikings be about Adrian Peterson?  Not terribly, I say.  The guy is still the best running back in the NFL, he's still (obviously) one of the most feared players in the NFL, and I don't think there's anybody in the entire league right now. . .and certainly no other running back. . .that Minnesota would even entertain a trade offer for if they had to include Adrian Peterson.  He's going to be fine going forward, and he's going to continue to be an asset to the Minnesota Vikings.  I also have a funny feeling that he's going to hold on to the pigskin a bit better from here on out as well.

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Great points! It’s crazy how teams have been stacking the line – they’re getting their secondary ROASTED by the silver fox.

by mjmrad on Dec 2, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

I don't care about AP's rushing stats

as long as we’re winning it doesn’t matter

From the only TRUE North division

by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 2, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

AD is OK with DS (that last is ME lol)

No issue…..Favre is doing SO MUCH more than we all were talking of initially….managing the game and throwing some short passes/get the D to back off AD….remember that thought process? AD is but one piece of the MN scary O now….a good thing…

With the many pronged "fork "of O capabilities we have now, we can stick it to our opponents week in and week out….AD is one sharp tine in that very sharp fork…..but a key one….he causes the loading at the line…So he is contributing in this special way as well…Favre can have a field day passing…

Your post does put his fumblitus and YPG into proper perspective…Work on the one (holding on to the ball) and with the other take opps as they present themselves….which he is doing….almost 100 YPG average is NOT average….Yes sir, AD is OK w DS!

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 2, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

Nothing wrong, with a passing attack that actually works, we don’t have to run the guy into the ground. Heck, he’s already broke 1,000 for the season, second in TD’s, what is there to worry about?

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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 2, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

He's great but Chris Johnson is just as good.

Teams are stacking the box just as much against the Titans and Chris Johnson is doing great. He catches the ball with ease and protects the football better than AP. CJ has only 2 fumbles in his career and just 1 this season
I am a huge Viking fan, but that doesn’t blind me into saying AP is better than CJ. If you say AP is #1 than your saying he is better than CJ and its just not the case.

Gonzo, are you seeing the season Chris Johnson is having? He is doing this while also facing stacked fronts.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

And doing it all...

Seconds away from losing 7 games on the year. He’s a very different back than AD and is having a great year, but 11 games into the season with an outsiders chance of making the playoff his statistics don’t add up to much.

by LoveHate on Dec 2, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Individual Stat vs Team Stats

To say that Johnson’s stats don’t add up to much because his team may not make the postseason is absolutely ridiculous. He is only one man, and to take away from his performance because the rest of the team may not be executing properly is definately not the right thing to do. If your neighbor shot someone does that mean that I put you in prison for it because you live in the same neighborhood? Actually Johnson is the better back this season so far, his production has been stellar and he isn’t coughing up the football, the two most important things you want to see……hold onto the rock, and production. I’m an AD fan but I’m not going to be blinded by it so much that I would avoid reality and say that Johnson’s performance doesn’t mean as much.

by Sixmark on Dec 3, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

And I should also go to jail for all of the children you molest.

What sort of equivalence is that? Johnson so doubt is stellar athlete and having a great year, but the story is deeper than rushing and receiving yards. You can have the back so good you can’t win, I’ll take the guy that can help control the game with an assist to the passing game.

by LoveHate on Dec 3, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

And I guess by your crack whore logic, when AP retires, you won’t pick the best pick you can in the draft for a running back? Because according to you, stats mean nothing in determining how good a running back is.

Oh wait, because it’s a draft, a running back won’t have had any games under his belt for your logical system to function.

At which point your head explodes.

by Ravendon on Dec 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

all cj is an upgrade of reggie bush he can't handle a beating

try to have him go between the tackles which teams are gonna do and he is going to get banged up because let’s face it he’s small and just quick that’s how he get’s his yards and having the option qb the last 5 weeks doesn’t hurt.don’t get me wrong he’s a good back but no ap can’t handle the grind

by clinton p on Dec 3, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

What a stupid statement.

Barry Sanders wasn’t a great running back because his teams never made the playoffs or won anything.

Jim Brown wasn’t a great running back because his Cleveland Browns never won a championship.

The playoff potential of a team has nothing to do with how great a running back you are. They are both in the Hall of Fame despite being on loser teams.

Your statement doesn’t add up to much I guess.

by Ravendon on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikes have better D, overall team, QB...

Than the Titans. I’m saying they are more 1(a) and 1(b), than #1(AP) & #2(CJ) best RBs in the league. At this point I just can’t say AP is better. Chris Johnson is taking hits and finding holes up the middle as well as ripping it outside. Is anyone going to say that the Titans O-line is better than the Vikes? I didn’t think so.

Someone else also said CJ is a glorified Reggie Bush. That is absolutely rediculous.

Im a bigger AP fan for sure, but I see what CJ is doing.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 3, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The season is not over....

But you do have a case that CJ is making a strong run for the subjective title of “best RB in the league.”

I guess my point is that AD may be giving up a bit of the glory/focus because of the other weapons Vikes have…there is less pressure on the O line to get the lanes for him….he is still causing the extra coverage that is opening up passing…

Fumbleitus is another matter….he DEFINITELY has to protect the ball more…In tackling him, gang style or otherwise, opponents are going for the punch out, and having success….Does nothing for defending best RB title…when the likes of CJ are out there…

I still would take AD over CJ if given the choice….he will get it and the fumbles will start decreasing….and the year is not over…his almost 100 YPG will go higher – remember some of the opponents we have coming….running defense not their specialty…

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why Peterson is better!

Peterson runs that lead to a 1st down: 55
Chris Johnson runs that has lead to a 1st down: 45
Peterson Touchdowns, Regardless of our passing attack: 12
Chris Johnson’s Touchdowns: 9

If it was 4th and 1 with the game on the line and you needed a 1st down, do you hand it to Peterson or Chris?

However Chris Johnson is an all-down back, but the same can be said about Maurice Jones-Drew, and the Fact that Ray Lewis and the whole Steelers Defense recognizes that this is Peterson’s team tells me something about Peterson!

So I have my opinion and everyone elses have theirs but 296 yards is just Mind Blowing!

And plus our play action is wayyyyyyyy more effective so that should also be another q that Peterson is better. Is like when we play action, Even Vince would be able to Sidney 1 on 1 and lob it to him because the whole defense bites on it!

Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?

by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Corrections

And plus our play action is wayyyyyyyy more effective so that should also be another q that Peterson is better. It’s like when we play action, Even Vince would be able to find Sidney 1 on 1 and lob it to him because the whole defense bites on it!

Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?

by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah and the play action being better here in Minnesota wouldn’y have anything to do with Favre either would it? AD doesn’t go this alone, Favre doesn’t go it alone, they compliment each other and that’s what makes them so much more dangerous.

by Sixmark on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

but 296 yards is just Mind Blowing

So is 2100 yards on the season, which Chris Johnson is about to do.

Sorry, AP, your #1 RB spot has been stolen. Get angry and go steal it back.

by Jayrome007 on Dec 3, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

simply put

The Vikings have a better QB, WRs, TE, OL, DEF… what about that gives AP a better chance to succeed, um, everything.

CJ has more yards (a lot more) on less carries and is a threat to catch the ball. He has to face just as stacked boxes and plays in a more physical division. Look at the games CJ has put up, can you get more consistent than that? CJ doesn’t fumble and doesn’t take losses on runs. If the Vikings are losing, AP’s going to start taking some blame because of the way he plays.

CJ is making Vince Young look good… that alone should get the nod as best back in the league. If the Titans make the playoffs, there’s no doubt that CJ = MVP

by uofmike on Dec 5, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

This 'something wrong with AP' argument is tiring

And I know you’re not saying there is anything wrong with AP, but the folks who think that are nuts.

—He already has more touchdowns rushing this year than he had last year. (12-10).
—He already has more receptions and receiving yards than he did last year. (27/233 v. 21/125).
—He is averaging more combined yards rushing and passing this season than he was from last year (119 v 118).
—True, he’s averaging less yards per rushing per game (110 against 98.5 this year) but he’s also attempting less rushes per game (21 v 23), and when you take into account his yards per attempt this season of 4.7 yards per carry, it comes out to over 9 yards a game. Add that 9 yards per game to what he’s currently averaging, and you get 107 yards per game, which is a whopping difference of…wait for it…3 yards per game.

So, he’s rushing for 9 feet less this year than he was last year, yet he’s totaling more yards from scrimmage, has already topped his rushing TD and receiving yard totals from last year, and the chicken littles of Viking fandom want to declare there’s something wrong with Adrian Peterson?

Really?

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by Ted Glover on Dec 2, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

and he fumbles!

I’ll take a couple fumbles inexchange for some severe stiff arms and a couple of pancaked DB’s.

by LoveHate on Dec 3, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

spoken like...

a real team player there. That’s a ridiculous statement to make. Don’t cost your team a possession for a play that looks good

by uofmike on Dec 5, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Gonzo In The South?

I’m just wondering if Gonzo is still down here on the Gulf Coast. I am a true Viking fan stuck in the middle of Saints country and am having a hard time holding up in the “Who Dat” nation… I was just wondering if and how Gonzo was holding up down here?!!?

by shift47_brada on Dec 2, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

Chester doesn't fill the box

Some people who are calling for AP to be riding pine point to Chester Taylor’s performance. Taylor is great. Love him spelling AP. But when he goes in the game, they don’t put 8 or 9 in the box. The run game seems to open up for him because it does open up for him. The defense thinks the Vikes are going to pass and pulls some defenders back in coverage—because Taylor catches a lot of passes. When AP goes back in the game, they load the box because they don’t want him springing another 80-yard TD run. So then the Vikes throw the ball. When is a team going to play the Vikings straight up, defend against Favre and take their chances with AP? It’s not going to happen. AP’s too flippin’ good.

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by Joe O on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

To quote the famous philosopher Arcott Rammethorn:

“That little guy? I wouldn’t worry about that little guy.”

by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 PM CST reply actions  

To elaborate

He’s just fine. Teams have to pick their poison against us this year, and the majority of teams have picked the bottles labeled “Poison #4”, “Poison #12”, and “Poison #18” instead of “Poison #28”.

While I am concerned about the fumbling, I’m A-OK with how AP is doing this year overall. You know it’s a good season when one of your fans’ biggest concerns is about a running back that is still an elite player any way you slice it.

Much better than worrying about swiss-cheese offensive lines and failed “savior” quarterbacks, don’t you think?

by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 2, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

ouch

Green Bay’s O-line has been an area of concern all year. But, at least the Packers look like they have a great chance to make the post-season. They also have the #1 defense right now.

I have great respect for Brett Favre (always will for him) and Adrian Peterson. With the way the Vikings are playing right now, I think they are the most complete team in the NFL. I am sure that Peterson will be fine.

Here is what is wrong with how teams are approaching the Vikings:

Favre is a master at his position, more so than Peterson is at his. I know how talented AP is. Yet he is still young and if teams choose to give Favre so many opportunities, he IS going to win. Opponents need to pick “Poison #28”. They have to gameplan against Favre. He is the bigger threat right now. #4 is the front runner MVP of the league at this point and if other teams do not do something to stop him, then they are going to lose. Eventually, someone will figure this out. It may not mean a victory, but a good team might be able to do something if they have a good defensive front. The way teams are playing the Vikings now, it inevitably turns into a higher scoring output for the Vikes via the pass. A smart team might pretend to show an extra man and back off into coverage. It might not work. Favre HAS seen everything. Still, a good team like the Saints would rather have a high yardage output from Peterson and a lower scoring output from the Vikings than a high output from Favre and a shootout. The Vikings likely win in a shootout. Of the best teams in the NFL, the Vikings top the list in my opinion. Anything can happen. From what I have seen so far, however, you guys are going to have fun during the playoffs.

by starmark on Dec 3, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent points

I’m surprised a team hasn’t at least tried to see if dropping more in coverage would work better. Or maybe they thought about it, but then they realized we’re still talking about Adrian Peterson here? :)

by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 3, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Darned if you do, danged if you don't

Bear in mind that, as it is, with 8-9 in the box and blitzing, the Vikings O-line is holding well enough most of the time for Favre to pick his target.

Pull some of those guys out, so that Sully & Co. don’t have to block 2 guys apiece, and even if Favre’s going to throw it, he’s going to have a lot more time to wait for a target to uncover. Just a matter of time…

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by DCPurple on Dec 3, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Defending the pass

Can someone tell me why teams havent started to defend the pass when they play us now? Farve is torching each and every defence we face. Adrian needs to talk to Tiki Barber about fumbling the ball, he changed how held the ball and rarely fumbled after that.

by mhoff219 on Dec 2, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions  

maybe because we're really good?

i can talk about stopping a train all i want, and try to stop stop one, but it doesn’t mean it will happen. if you have the bears, seahawks, and lions secondary, your chances of stopping anything are diminished. Pittsburgh was the only team to beat the vikes, and to do that they needed turnovers, and 7’s off those turnovers. This is a pretty damn good team is why they can’t stop em. I know its been a while since the passing game was this good, but its pretty cool to have one the caliber of NE, IND, NO, right now.

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by boyonthedock on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this

It seems for weeks I have been trying to explain this to my friends. Peterson is the best back in the league no questions, our passing offense would be nowhere near as efficient if there wasn’t a safety in the box 75% of our plays.

Adrian Peterson...Beast Mode

by Grape Drank on Dec 3, 2009 12:48 AM CST reply actions  

U got it

Peterson on the field keeps the defense honest. Whats the old saying: take what a defense gives you. A defense can stop any single player they want. They can double team any receiver, they can load the box. they can spy a running QB with a nickel back or linebacker. You can blitz on every play to make the QB get rid of the ball. They problem is when you take away one thing you give up another. Brett is spreading the ball around and we have plenty of people that can make plays. Brett is a smart old fox, so pick your poison.

by iowaron on Dec 4, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't look now...

but the train is picking up speed.

Mistakes will stop anybody, but the stats don’t say that the Steelers exactly overpowered the Vikings, do they? Practice makes perfect, especially when the talent is there to develop.

AD is doing his bit. Sure the fumbles hurt, but then again, they give some false hope to opponents that stopping the run still might somehow stop the Vikings. The All-Star ballots are pouring in, showing that fans have noticed that #28 is not alone in Minnesota.

This train is bound for glory, this train.

Yes, you can look on TV and count the defenders in the box and almost figure out what the Vikings will do next, but teams are not stopping them from doing it.

Yes, you can paint "who dat’ on yourself all you want, but the Vikings offense and defense have defeated the Packers twice, and stats tell us the Green Bay defense is currently the best in the NFL (but don’t tell them I said that). That guy Mr. Rodgers actually looks okay too when he’s vertical. Aside from their being lambasted in both the Metrodome and Lambeau by us, the Packers record is 7-2. Who dat that the Saints are beating?

Don’t think Peyton Manning thinks all those sacks he took in his brief preseason appearance against Minnesota were just a fluke, due in whole to injuries and the game not really counting. He can read the NFL stats too, and they say the Vikings lead the league in showing opposing QB’s where the turf is at with 40, five sacks ahead of the defending world champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

Yes, defensive coordinators still preoccupy themselves with slowing down Peterson.

Why? Because those films of AD crushing folks like William Gay or Eric Wright look really bad on TV, and are hard to explain away in interviews.

The more chemistry that develops between the resurrected Favre and his new teammates, the more dangerous this team becomes.
 
This is the time the ancient Vikings would put their heads down and their backs into the oars. This is the time of the season to go ashore. burn the boats, and slay all those foolish enough to come out to meet us in battle. It’s get ’er done time. Practice hard, play hard, and keep the eyes on the prize.

Remember, Sven and Ole have been waiting down in hell a long time. It’s time to put and end to infernal warming. The only thing this team has to fear is not doing all its homework.

by Elgar on Dec 3, 2009 2:23 AM CST reply actions  

Elgar +28

Great Post!

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by DaRange on Dec 3, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahhhrrr Ahhhrrr

Nice post Elgar. Makes me want to grab my wench by the hair and drag her ass back to the man cave.

by iowaron on Dec 4, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It's all about the sum

That’s the exact thing that’s great about this team. If the RB or QB has a bad night, we still have a pretty decent offense.

I’m sure as we get into December and Jan and it gets colder, you’ll see AP’s figures pick up and BF might dip a little.

by Riaan on Dec 3, 2009 2:27 AM CST reply actions  

Cold?

And exactly where are these cold games going to be played? We only have 2 outdoor games left, Chicago and Carolina. Playoffs should all be in a dome for us, ours or the Saints.

by Arsist on Dec 3, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

AP is #2

I am a diehard Vikes fan but AP is not the best back in the league. Chris Johnson is and AP is a distant second. Lucky for us the Vikes are way better than the OIlers.

by StanleyinMinny on Dec 3, 2009 2:36 AM CST reply actions  

Johnson is having a better year.

AP is still the better player. At least that’s what I think.

by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 3, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Almost too close to tell

There is still 5 games to be played. CJ and AP are both still very young. They are both certainly in a different class than any other RBs in the league.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Johnson's year

We are playing the team game. Our goal is to win it all. Peterson will do his part along with Brett & all of our guys. So CJ will get the rushing title this year, good for him. We want the lombardi trophy. I’m sure A.P. won’t mind giving up the yardage for a shot at the ultimate prize.

by iowaron on Dec 4, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Peterson should let blocks develop more when he gets the ball. He’s so fast when he gets it bursts up to the line before our O-Line has set their blocks up.

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by Zoxide on Dec 3, 2009 5:49 AM CST reply actions  

the thing is

Peterson hasn’t had one of those lights-out-did-he-just-do-that? sorts of games, yet. He hasn’t had to shoulder the team on his own. Remember when he fumbled against Green Bay last year in the Metrodome, and then came back the next possession and ran like a wild beast? When he trucked Al Harris? Don’t make him mad.

One of these days, we’ll find ourselves in a really close game, and the Purple Jesus will begin working miracles. Just wait.

And yeah, Chris(t) Johnson is pretty damn good, too. Thankfully, he’s the #1 RB on both of my Daily Norseman related fantasy teams. (savors good draft choice)

by virginia viking on Dec 3, 2009 5:56 AM CST reply actions  

Nature of the Beast

Who the ‘best back in the league’ really is, is gnawing on the wrong bone. The thing that’s caused some concern is that, despite the box being stacked, we’re not seeing AP bust out as often has he did in the past couple years. That AP is productive, despite that, isn’t in question. Two past years of the “best back in the league” tearing up the opposition has not only resulted in paranoid defenders but in spoiled Vikings fans who want to see more of the same, every game.

I’m sure everyone remembers a devastating play against the Browns, when AP casually threw a would-be tackler off the playing field and then outran two more defenders who had an angle (the wrong angle) on him. It’s that dazzling speed that he’s not getting the opportunity to display any more, and I think it’s in large part because he’s just not getting out into the open the way he used to.

When I watch other RBs out there (even CT), the O-line makes a lane for them, the RB gets a few steps to accelerate and zip through that opening to take what they can get. That rarely happens with AP, for him the lanes are rarely there and he slams into the backs of our own guys as he’s looking for a way through. His momentum is lost, precious time is lost, the opposing D is able to respond by the time AP is looking for another way around the knot. I’m still seeing him bull his way forward with 4 and 5 guys literally on his back, it’s incredible. AP doesn’t give up just because he’s being tackled.

My first thought was that it was the O-line not getting AP his patch of daylight that was the problem, and maybe AP needs to take some responsibility to look ahead and if he doesn’t see the opening, don’t try to run there. But when I looked again, the O—line doesn’t have a gap because they’re trying to keep anyone from getting through at all, often against two defenders each. The Viking o-line has been a really outstanding this year, getting better and better, but they’re still only 5 guys trying to stop 7 or 8, sometimes 9 of the opposition. For there to be no gap may be bad for AP’s run average, but it’s fabulous for protecting our QB.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 3, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

+390...

and that’s with Kleinsasser adding a chip

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 3, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I'd call it a "chip"

Kleinsasser blocks like a lineman on running plays. He’s still the best blocking tight end in the NFL and a key to the running game.

I see the biggest difference being at FB. Tony Richardson made holes where Tahi stuffs them. I know AD said he likes running without a lead blocker, but we need to run out of different formations and a using a FB increases the chances of having a running lane against 8 and 9 man boxes.

by ChemErik on Dec 3, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed!

‘chip’ – DCP said the front 5. 350 + Sass’ 40 is 390.

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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 3, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Loves me some Kleinsasser, the guy's a Mac Truck :))

But you watch close, you’ll notice that even when AP bounces off the backs of the Vikings O-line and tries to go around, he’ll often end up running right into the back of Kleinsasser or Tahi or Dugan. It’s great that they want to ‘plow the road’, but they aren’t fast enough to do that and get out of the way before the Peterson Express comes steaming up the back-track.

I can see why he says he doesn’t need a blocker, it’s got to be frustrating to run into his own guys.

There’s been a lot of talk about getting Harvin the ball while he’s in an open space and let him dance. Maybe they need to look at doing that more often with AP as well.

Ah, ah,
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From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 3, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Rich is the man

He played well last night and I wish the Vikes would have kept him. He is old but he doesn’t quit.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 4, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

don't forget...

AP has, from day 1, gotten stronger as games have progressed. the past few years, that means he has piled up both yards and YPC in the fourth quarter (see the chargers game when he set the new league mark). this year, the first team offense hasn’t gone the whole second half in a lot of games, so he’s essentially sitting down when he’s at his best. and he’s STILL averaging 98.5 yards per game. i’d say nothing is wrong with him.

by tebe_1 on Dec 3, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

ALL DAY

Finally a positive article about a different offence player! NO WORRIES AP!

by Crash.09 on Dec 3, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

The only thing wrong with AP

Is that he might someday run out of babies to eat. The man is a specimen.

by Jepp The Viking on Dec 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

8 man fronts

Until they stop putting 8 men in the box (if ever), Peterson is going to look much more average. But I could care less about his stats when we’re walking through opposing defenses at will.

And the fumbles are a direct result of what makes him so good, his unwillingness to go down.

by Cobra312004 on Dec 3, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

When you are stopped by two guys in your tracks and

Another 2 are coming in full speed, your not gaining any more yards and it is time to go down. That is when AP fumbles. When he is stopped in his tracks guys are just teeing off at him full speed. I love AP but many LBs are strong and bigger than he is so when he gets hit at a standstill with guys wrapped around his waist he is asking for it.

Its okay to fight for extra yardage when there is a chance. Too many times you can see he has 4 guys on him and isn’t going anywhere. He could dive forward to gain a few extra yards but tries taking on 3 to 4 guys, stays staight up and gives the D a chance to rip the ball out.

He will learn from this and get better though. He is only 24 and getting better in the passing game too. He just has to realize that even he has limits and sometimes must go down to protect the ball.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 4, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

And when those 4 guys are there

sometimes he’s still holding the ball with one hand!

by Salty on Dec 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing a few more passes to AD

out in the flat and see if it wouldn’t create a little more separation for him to manuever.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt

by DaRange on Dec 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

apparently we need to worry about

that speed(ing) of his a little. Yo, AD, 109 in a 55 is not a little speeding ticket. Just what we need… another fake schism moment for the media.

by archie2227 on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I do find it strange Peterson would say “I need to be more aware of the speed I was going.” How aren’t you aware that you’re going that much higher than the speed limit. It’s not like he was going 70.

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by Mocking Dan on Dec 3, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

…I don’t buy that he didn’t realize he was speeding. Maybe not the degree to which he was speeding, but even in a finely tuned BMW 109 feels faster than 55. All in all this won’t be a big deal to anybody but the writers.

by archie2227 on Dec 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

“a little speeding ticket”.

Personally, I don’t really care that he was speeding, I just find it hilarious that he ’didn’t realize’ he was driving 109 m.p.h. That’s insane.

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by fischean on Dec 3, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

“Little speeding ticket” made me laugh right away as well. He won’t be so unconcerned if he gets the 6 month revocation as he should. (I really don’t care if he gets the punishment, but you know some will cry about athletes’ favoritism if he gets off)

by archie2227 on Dec 3, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, well...

they said it was a routine traffic stop, so I dunno, maybe he will get off. I’m not sure what the law is regarding being that far over the speed limit (I’m a perfect driver…or something), but if it was just a routine stop, eh. Make him pay a big fine and get over it. It’s not like he ran over a cop or anything.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 3, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

109 in a 55....

Now that changes things, knowing the speed limit there.

109 could mean that the cop was trying to give AP a break, because 110 would be doubling the speed limit. In many states, doubling the speed limit is an automatic felony offense. For that you need a good lawyer.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 3, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Having lived in Europe for many years....stuff happens....REALLY!

I too have found myself moving along at a BIT over the limit at times over there….once in FL (over 100 for about 50 miles) and again in NC where I was traveling a little slower (thank goodness)….just to name a couple of instances…

The NC speeding cost me a lot of money (police caught me) and they wanted my DL for a year…gave them a VA license that was expiring lol….FL was not stopped, just noticed that speed creeping up….had to back off….also thinking of that NC tocket and expense lol!

The driving style and speed is much different over there than in Germany….AD would fit right in on the autobahn around Frankfurt! He still would have to watch it though, we DO also have speed zones, and more cameras, and more expensive fines….many areas are open to as fast as your car will go….is cool!

Peterson was not driving away from a mad woman or anything was he? Maybe that is the reason for speeding (a la Tiger)? Ooooof……

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 3, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

My current car is a piece

so you know when you are driving faster than 70. I’ve gotten to around 90 w/o realizing driving up 52 from Rochester, 109 w/o realizing… I guess.

The Autobahn would be fun!

by archie2227 on Dec 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

90 w/o noticing was done in a different car. Not to sure my current one would handle that so well

by archie2227 on Dec 3, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Late in games

I’d rather see us running out the clock with running plays than short passes. I love that we are winning but don’t like seeing 40+ passes a game.

AP is fine, but I agree that he needs to figure out how to hold onto the ball a little better. It looks like our O-line is having difficulty on the run but excelling in pass protection, a flip of years past. I miss BIRK in the middle keeping everything working smooth!

by Arsist on Dec 3, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

Whats wrong with AP is.

Our excpectations of him. He set the bar high on himself.. If he doesn’t have 1 or 2 breakaways and 150 yards a game, we’re disapointed!! Chris Johnson is a beast, but I’m glad we got #28!!!!

by Marvin T on Dec 3, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

AD top RB or not

Who cares if AD or CJ is considered the top running back. AD is doing his part on the team and due to his reputation of taking it to the house when given the opportunity teams are doing their best to stop the run. Last year that meant our QBs had to step in and toss the ball. As our record and stats indicate, we weren’t very good at accomplishing that goal.

This year is a different story but the defenses still attack us the same way. However we now have a QB and core of WRs that can actually take advantage of this focus on the run by the opposing defenses. I’ve taken a long time to warm up to the whole Brett Favre thing. Afterall over the past I’ve always had 2 favorite teams. The Vikes and whomever was playing the Pack! At the helm for a lot of those games was Brett so for many years I considered him our arch nemisis. Now he’s at the helm of our ship. It was kind of like the pirate Black Beard taking over the helm of our cruise ship. But Brett has made me a believer so with both him and AD in the backfield we’re winning … stats be damned!

… A RI Vikings fan

by Magic_man on Dec 4, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

I got to thinking today... (conspiracy theory)

with this team having had the success we’ve had THROWING THE BALL this year… and defenses trying to figure out how to stop BOTH our running game and our passing game – it’s about time for DC’s to start defending the pass and move their focus off our running game…
Look around… there is A LOT of attention on AP’s ‘fumblitis’! Here, RotB, CSC, ESPN, etc.
Fans and pundits alike are pointing to AP’s fumbles as an offensive weakness and as something to exploit – and as a reason the Vikings might lose a game (gasp). Also, AP’s explanation of his fumbles is… ‘not compelling’.

Perhaps this is a ploy by the Vikings ‘Center for Football Conspiracy, Fantasy Control, and Fumble Concoctory’ (CFCFCFC)
to keep our opponents focused on our running game (which continues to be above average) so our passing game can continue to improve every week.

just sayin’.

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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 4, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

Works for me!

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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 4, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

AP What me worried ANSWER NO NONE ZERO!!!

The media has to find something bad to talk about 41 games 12 fumbles lost, and at least 3 of those should not have even counted. I don’t believe its that big of a deal, Question how many games have the Vikings lost because of fumbles? The Atlanta game last year maybe it was a small factor but not having a passing game cost the Vikings in the past, so the answer is ZERO! How many games have the Vikings won because of him the Vikings are 28 wins 12 losses since he has started, 21 wins 28 losses thats a plus 16 he missed 3 games in 07 (knee) So all just shut up and enjoy him each time he gets the ball !! Lets coment on this in a few weeks after he carries us in January! Go Vikings

by mnnorm on Dec 5, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

AD

Don’t worry about AD. He is harder on himself when he fumbles than even the coaches. In time maybe the Vikes will do what the Giants did for Tiki. Have someone work with him on holding the ball. Tiki I believe went a whole season without a fumble.

by kik on Dec 5, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

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