Slipping and Sliding in December: Vikings Get Crushed in Carolina
by Anthony21 on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 PM CST
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There's something about Sunday nights...
Once again, the Vikings laid an egg in primetime. I don't get it. The two worst games of the season for the Vikings have come on Sunday nights, and it's not even close. Two weeks ago in Arizona, the Vikings had a thoroughly disastrous game that involved an absolute thrashing by Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, a bumbling missed-tackle fest on defense, and a complete inability to utilize this team's many offensive weapons. This week, it was largely the same story -- but the caliber of the opponent was just much worse.
A single poor game in Arizona is unfortunate -- but it probably isn't worth getting too worried about. However, when the same issues emerge against a team not nearly as tough as Arizona, you have to start wondering.
The offensive line? It got shredded by Julius Peppers. Favre's performance? If it's any indication, Jim Kleinsasser was his leading receiver for quite a bit of the first half. Sidney Rice, Visanthe Shiancoe and Percy Harvin once again pulled a vanishing act. Adrian Peterson? When he actually had the ball, which wasn't terribly often, there was no room to run. The defensive performance? It had a very tough time handling Matt Moore, a scrub who made high-percentage throws and was only sacked twice. The tackling was ugly, the pass rush belonged on the side of a milk carton, and it's no surprise that Carolina's offense controlled the time of possession battle. Jonathan Stewart slipped out of countless tackles, exposing just how tough the loss of E.J. Henderson is for the Vikings.
But look, despite my gripes about the defense, the offensive performance was horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. The #1 thing you can do to get beat by a mediocre team is allowing them to hang around early in the game. That's just what the Vikings did in this game. Check out their first four offensive drives of the game:
- 5 plays, 8 yards, 2:31 elapsed
- 3 plays, 0 yards, 2:23 elapsed
- 4 plays, 4 yards, 1:29 elapsed
- 3 plays, 8 yards, 1:53 elapsed
Embarrassing. Let me run some first half stats by you: 66 total yards, 1/5 on third downs, Matt Moore passes for double the yards that Favre did (98 yards to 48 yards), and Peterson is held to 3.1 yards per carry.
But wait, there's more. Things didn't get any better in the second half.
- 3 plays, 5 yards, 1:05 elapsed
- 4 plays, 23 yards, 1:28 elapsed
- 3 plays, 4 yards, 2:34 elapsed
- 3 plays, -3 yards, 0:57 elapsed
- 5 plays, 16 yards, 2:23 elapsed
- 4 plays, 15 yards, 1:10 elapsed
When you perform incompetently in the first half and come out and perform just as incompetently in the second half, you're an offense that stopped caring. You're an offense that faced adversity and flopped.
Some might call this a trap game, and some might say the Vikings got complacent after clinching an NFC North title earlier in the day. I'll call it something else: Getting crushed. Don't make excuses for this Vikings team, because they don't deserve it. I don't care that the field was in lousy condition, I don't care that the game was outdoors, and I don't care about what was happening around the division. The Vikings got killed out there.
What's most disappointing of all is that they seemed to be on the right track just one week ago. After having quite a few problems exposed by the Cardinals, the Vikings responded in a big way against Cincinnati. They were controlled by the Cardinals, and they responded by controlling the Bengals. Antoine Winfield was a nightmare for Carson Palmer, Adrian Peterson had a pair of touchdowns, and the victory was rarely in doubt. But the Vikings are now back to where they started from two weeks ago, coming off that devastating loss in Arizona.
Don't call it a fluke when it happens twice in three weeks. The Vikings are slipping at a time when they need to be building momentum, and suddenly, a first round bye is hardly a sure thing. But when you're a team that gets absolutely dominated against a team like the Panthers, it's hard to argue that anything is a sure thing.
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Agreed.
problems all around tonite. dropped passes, mental mistakes, and missed opportunities.
NC scored 20 points in the 4th!
The has been getting owned… what/who is the problem?
McKinnie earned himself a ride on the pine… is it him?
damn.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions
fail
The offensive line has been getting owned
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
If Shank doesn't drop that pass and Rice doesn't fumble they would have still been in the game, but it might not have been enough.
The Vikes came off two easy home games against the Seahawks and Bears. Then they went on the road and faced the best passing attack(Zona) they would see all season and got shell shocked. I thought it was a good wake up call. They responded nicley the next week against the Bengals, but it was at home.
It seems like a good idea to have two strong, huge, 6’8 tackles. Until you run into a team with an elite pass rushers and can’t move your feet quick enough. Peppers lined up against Big Mack and Loadholt and beet them both. At least Loadholt could stand up the guy where Mckinnie was just getting bull-rushed and couldn’t do anything to stop it. When they put in Shank alongside Loadholt it stopped Peppers temporarily, but the Vikes stopped doing it. They didn’t give Mckinnie much help but when they did his lack of strength was evident and he would be pushed backed easily by Peppers.
This loss is not on Favre. He had no time to throw, guys were not getting open and the drops and fumble hurt. He tried throwing to the deep corner of the endzone but got hit last second and the ball came out a little short and was intercepted. The o-line is showing weaknesses that I didn’t think existed.
Jared played good for the first few minutes and vanished the rest of the game. He has always said he isn’t a big bench or weights guy. Well looking at the strength of a guy like Peppers maybe he should. Jarred is great, but he loads up with multiple sack games against weaker teams. When facing an injury depleted o-line against Green Bay, in 2 games, he had 7.5 sacks. He had 2 against the crappy Bears. The game against Seattle he got lots of pressue, didn’t have a sack, but impacted the game tremedously. Other than those games he hasent been all that great having 6 games without a single sack. He gets double teamed yes, but I’ll say it, gets handled by top rated Tackles. He is fast and has a motor but could be much stronger. He has long arms but there could be a lot more meat on them. He is on pace to not have a sack every other game so pardon me if I don’t think he is the best at his position. Allen is the least of the Vikes worries though…
The o-line is showing way too many weaknesses. Edge rushers have gotten to Favre far too often and they need to fix it soon or they will be one and done in the playoffs. The pass D didn’t look great, but guys were falling and Steve Smith is that good. Just surprised there wasent more pressure on Moore.
I am not hitting the “panic button” but things need to be fixed or this team will get beat by stiff playoff competition, which will be much more fierce than the Panthers. The Vikes are going to have to win at least one game on the road in the playoffs, so they better fix their road woes or our SB dreams will go out the window.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Ok, before everyone freaks out and starts having kittens........
So what, we lost our 3rd game of the year. Big deal! This one I put soley on the Offense. Dropping passes, running game stalling, a few bad thrown passes. Just all around suck on the O. Defense did good. Started out slow with some bad tackling, but they held when it got down too it. By the end of the game, yeah, we got ran all over, but the guys can only do so much. The D was tired by then.
So, we lost to a mediocre team. Again, big deal. Eagles lost to the Raiders this season, the Cardinals against the 49ers TWICE and oh, the Panthers too! So, to restate what Gonz said a few weeks ago, back away from the panic button!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
You keep preaching that...
…maybe it’ll help them avoid losing the #2 seed, which I suspect they will in short order.
Ignoring the many problems we have by proclaiming it just another fluky, happy loss that “everyone else has” does nothing to address the serious, serious problems that this team has. And sadly, they’re not really problems that we can fix before the playoffs arrive. That’s why it’s pretty easy to predict a fairly quick and quiet exit from the playoffs.
But knowing these Vikings, they may tease us a bit with a small revival of sorts, even. Who knows?
All I know is that I’m done drinking the kool-aid. I’ll check game scores but it’s not really worth the time to watch them embarrass themselves, the state, and their fans, moving forward. \:(
ok bye......
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
Ive been trying to be nice, but at this point, I no longer care what issues you may have, but plesae, get the F over yourself
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
With this kind of attitude...
Why don’t you just give up on them? It doesn’t seem like you enjoy them or enjoy sports, cause ups and downs are part of sports.
Imagine if you were a Red Sox fan for how long. They choked for 80+ years, but imagine the sweetness it must’ve felt like to have the team you’ve rooted and watched choke for for how long win the big one finally…
This is sports man, its not a movie like Friday Night Lights. You don’t always get your perfect fairytale ending, so if you’re really not into it, just give up on them. No one is forcing you to watch the games..
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
True that
I held in there back in the 80’s when the Twins were the doormats, got rewarded quite nicely I think. Hung in there in the dark days of the 90’s, and gosh, they are doing good again. Never given up, never will!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
You want a cookie or something?
If there was some satisfaction to watching them choke away easy games, maybe it’d be worth it to suck up this kind of crap from your home team but you don’t even get the aformentioned cookie, do ya? :P
There's no satisfaction watching them get their asses kicked
That’s not what I’m saying bro, it’s just that brighter days will come, they came for the Red Sox and they were the most hapless team in sports history until recently, and if not and you don’t ever see them coming, why keep following the team? Just give up on them! Do it, but will you feel anymore satisfaction watching a team you have been cheering on for 1 year win?
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
i hate the red sox
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 20, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is actually a good point...
…about the satisfaction of watching your crappy team one day finally shake free of the suckitude. You have almost convinced me to keep watching….gotta think about it though. This one was just so awful, so embarassing that I just don’t know.. :(
Haha, thanks
I had the one point that actually sunk in… This one was horrible, probably worse than the Cards one. It made me embarrassed for our team and to face some of my Packer friends, but then I remembered that we kicked the crap out of them twice, easily the highlight of the season so far, and who knows, maybe we can do it again to end their season? I still don’t see how they would block #69… Anyways, I’m out of here for the night. Later guys
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
Actually a brighter day won't necessarily come...
because your state is going to let Wilf sell the team and they’ll move to LA.
But hey, at least minnesotans can go see the 6-3 Gophers play outside….hope that was worth it.
Ugh
Wow. That is quite the painful retort.
So, we hang on and support the team through all the losing for 40+ years with promises of glory dancing in our beaten and bloody heads… only to see the team gaurantee that day will never come?
I kinda hate you for bringing that up right now.
No
Don’t need it, maybe you do, but as far as Im concerned, you’re showing your belligerant true colors by putting down anything anyone say’s who tries to be uplifting then blaming it on personal problems and expecting forgiveness. I’ve tried to be nice, Im done.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
About ready to agree with you
This dude seems like a lost case, just please, pick a different team if it will make you feel better!
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
Again, whatever..
My issues have nothing to do with my son’s health problems (but thanks for bringing that up and tossing it in my face, jerkwad)…I’ve already said that it just adds to the overall annoyance of their suckitude.
I’m definitely done responding to you too. Pull your head outta the sand or wherever it is you’re keeping it rather than attacking someone else with a different, and probably much more realistic viewpoint than yours.
if you’re a fan you’ll keep watching. if not, you won’t.
i may be a realist and not mind debating the teams perceived weaknesses, but despite my lack of optimism for a superbowl this year i will still watch every game, cheer every viking touchdown and curse every opponents touchdown just like i always have.
i love football. i especially love viking footbal.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
But...
..that being said, I see no reason that fans should be denigrated here, either, for absolutely being disgusted with those kinds of losses. Just because some fans choose to wear the rose-colored glasses and act like nothing’s wrong doesn’t mean that those of us who may be either more negative or far more disappointed or lesser or worse fans. That’s the ultimate load of crap.
You could argue that blind optimism is a far more insidious tact for people to take when it comes down to it.
I enjoy watching them actually make an effort or put forth an honest game’s work…these last two losses were not even remotely like that, and that’s what is perhaps most damning about them. :(
My Rec: Go with NO
They will fulfill all your dreams (maybe)…..
Vikings are a tough nut to live with….
Many cannot hang….
Possibly you are one?
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
As I said to your similar comment in the other thread – I’m quite fine with my current choice of teams but like any good fan should be, I’m disgusted with their recent failures and I’m now more aware of our team’s true quality. ;)
Doesn’t make me or anyone else a bad fan. Sorry but that’s how it goes. Most of the Vikes fan I’ve spoken to out in public have fully agreed with much of what I’ve been saying in here. I think you’re in the minority on this one.
cali viking
it wasnt favres fault the o line gave him no time in the pocket and know one could hold on the ball like it was the h1n1 virus im a die hard vikings fan we will bounce back on mon night against da bears favre will tear it up and get back on track bank money on it we will b 13 and 3 then on to the s,b to win dont forget az limped in to the post season last year then walked through every one
of course it wasn’t favres fault! it’s never favres fault!
unless it is. but you believe what you like ;)
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with him
Except I’ll still watch on TV. The Vikings had me sold on a legitimate chance at the superbowl this year. I don’t want a division title, and I don’t want a playoff run, I want a superbowl. In a year where even two (now one) teams are undefeated, it still looks like a down year for the NFL in terms of competition. The vikings have the ability and talent no doubt to get it done this year. But last night’s game showed me they lack the mental toughness, focus, and preparation to be the team this year. Unfortunately I’m done drinking superbowl koolaid, I’ll just be happy if we don’t get beat at home by Packers/Cardinals/Eagles who come into our home with momentum from a previous playoff win.
I was just about to spend hundreds of dollars to get tickets for the game vs the bears on Monday night. Easy decision made now. I couldn’t handle a loss to Chicago and all those bears fans in my face.
Sorry, bud
Though I’m a fellow pessimist and I’ve defended you plenty in the past, I think you’re finally taking it a little to far. Ripping a team for their inconsistencies and blatant weaknesses is one thing. But outright quitting on them when they have only 3 losses? Come on, dude. That’s not cool. You may truely believe they’ll lose but you still have to watch.
Well it is December
The weather could no longer be describes as, “fair.” I’m surprised you stuck around at all after the Arizona loss. I hope we don’t see you again, should we start winning.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
your not a true fan
a fan sticks by his team no matter what good or bad you are a joke i normally try to keep everything i say positive but you bring negativity and we don’t need that.yes bad loss but we always bounce back from a loss.
A fan isn't defined by any one fan's definition of a "fan"
We’re all fans – this BS that if you get disgusted with a team and either quit cheering for them for the season (out of utter disgust) or temporarily quit (again out of disgust) means that you’re a “bad fan” is baloney. I could just as easily say that blind, unfounded optimism is every bit as damning of a mental approach to take when the team clearly has significant issues to address.
Stop condemning fans for being extremely irate with a horrific, HORRIFIC loss. We all handle this crap in our own inimical ways. Good grief.
Plus, once I’ve had time to simmer down a bit, I may change my mind. But good lord, that loss was SO bad, that even two victories in our next games will do all that much to convince me that a game like that won’t happen again. :(
Yep....
DEFINITELY recommend NO for you….
Vikings are not for the lighthearted…..
They are looking for “fans” in NO I hear …..
Lots of who dat there….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
..thats what the great denny green
used to say after humiliating losses..“minor adjustments, thats all we need…” …
i wish i shared your boundless optimism
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 20, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
shiancoe dorp biggest play of game
looks like hands of stone is back….
this should not be surprising
this is par for the course for farve….
too bad, because they did look good for a while.
gosh, being a vikes fan is painful…..
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 10:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
oh great, here come the bitter Packers fans again
We’re not idiots you know. We can all tell that you just created this account 4 minutes ago by clicking oun your account ID and seeing your history.
did you even watch the game?
“par of the course for Favre”? gimme an ‘effing break. though i’m new to the Vikes (boycotted the Pack last year and this year), you obviously don’t know dick about football, los vikingos, and are and have been a fairweather fan of the Vikings your entire life. dropped passes, defensive issues, offensive line not protectiing Favre…and YOU blame the loss on Favre because “it’s par fo the course”?
open your eyes. if it’s so painful being a Vikings’ fan, go somewhere else. and if it’s true you’re a bitter Packer fan (as noted by puddnhead), then you truly are a dick.
+4
you sir are welcome here…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
and where was the running game tonite?
…where was the almight Peterson (during multiple games this year) tonite? you gonna blame the running game failure and the offensive line failure on Favre as well, los vikingos?
if it’s true you’re a bitter Packer fan
And oh are they bitter today. Did you see
theirgame this week? I’m not sure who I’d feel worse as, us or them. Ouch. They’ll be on the prowl looking for someone to bully to relieve their pain. Watch out, Vikes.
a fairweather fan? as opposed to someone who’s only a fan as long as favre is here?
i’ll take a fan of the team over a fan of an individual anytime. will you still be boycotting the packers when favre isn’t here anymore?
keep making excuses for the guy, but his number back up the fact that he tanks at the end of the year for the last 5 (make that 6 now) years.
and is being a bitter favre fan somehow better than being a bitter packer fan?
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Agree....
These are some questions this team meeds to be answering internally….I am sure heads will roll this week….as it should be….They are better than this….W’s do not come automatically, they take effort (100%) and teamwork….
I like many fans am frustrated that we put ourselves into this position once again this year….Just makes the road goiing forward that much harder….Now we have to wait a week and a day to see what they have learned and done about this performance….
At least the next game is not a Sunday night game again…although we are due to win a Sunday game based on losing the last two? Anyway, Let’s see…hope nobody gives me any crap today, not in the mood!
Just remember, we still are in a position to do a decent job in the playoffs….IF we come out like the caliber team we can be and not more of this crap we saw tonight….I am sure each team member is saying why and how did I play a part in this L tonight….and will work hard to get things fixed….
On that note….Happy Holidays All……
Gotta go to work…..
Sheeezsh….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions
Don’t call it a fluke when it happens twice in three weeks.
Actually, that’s pretty much all you needed to say.
Something needs to happen here. Let’s see Childress earn his money.
Yep
This is where it starts and ends….and why he gets the big bucks…..
Show time from here on out…..
Has to be….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
bingo!
FIX the O-Line… what the hell is going on??
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Coaches Adjustments
Where are the adjustments? We are out of excuses. Can this team only play inspired football at home? Twice in the last 3 weeks we run into a team that has a little fire in their belly & we have no answer for it. This is the first time this season that the thought of early out in the playoffs could happen. I thought we had what it took, now I’m not so sure. I’m not ready to throw in the towel just yet. I feel that if we are not able to hang on to the #2 seed that we will be in big trouble. Our running game has to improve for us to be sucessful. It’s late I’m tired Skol Vikings.
Careful Anthony21
Or the blind optimists, the rose-colored wearing crowd will pillory you. :(
I could NOT agree more with your post. We’re definitely heading the wrong direction at the worst possible effing time. Thanks Vikes!
Adrian is not the purple Jesus or any other retarded hyperbole…he’s the invisible man. And this team has serious psychological issues. Time for a good sports psychologist and time to visit the Wizard of Oz.
This team has no Heart, no Courage, and frequently, no Brains. Sigh.
Hmmmmm again I have to say Wytefang
A fair weather fan is not one that will survive as a Viking fan….
Life could be worse…you could be a Packer fan….or a Bears fan….or or or….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Okay..thanks for the laugh at least
I appreciated that. I really do need to quit watching them for a while…with my son’s issues (mentioned in that other thread)…I’m just way too angry and stressed to deal with their inevitable choke job this year. (Noah is going into surgery tomorrow morning – his 5th one now.)
:(
true that!
LOL and I suffer yet again!
Never will give up though….
Malaise I call Vikings Syndrome….
Has advantages and disadvantages….
Woe is me…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
Life could be worse…you could be a Packer fan….or a Bears fan
Both of whom have won Superbowls. Swear to god, if the Vikes ever win one I wouldn’t complain about another loss ever again.
I can agree with that promise
If we win a SB even once, it’ll save me from being so frustrated at games like last night’s awful debacle.
maybe it's time to turn your back on the vikings...
again.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, that's where you're wrong though...
…after the Cardinals game I was just disgusted. This time I’m seriously considering being done wasting time watching them for the season. It’s pretty obvious to anyone but the most blind optimist, that we just aren’t good enough to go very far in the playoffs. Losing to a crappy team like the Panthers reveals that much at least.
He's right
You obviously don’t have what it takes to make it through a few losses and deal with your son’s health problems. Go watch a soccer game instead.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I love soccer far more anyway
Grew up playing and played semi-pro in England. Better sport all around but I used to dream that one day the Vikes would pull their collective heads outta their arses and actually play a great season. Not this year, obviously. One and done, baby! One and done. :(
yeah... the losses suck.
But you got to get over it. NOTHING is this bad.
Teams matchup better or worse against other teams. (panthers, cardinals).
Sometimes you lose due to ‘other factors’ (steelers).
SUCKS that the team lost this game, but let’s move on.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Actually that IS a good point
perhaps we’re just matching up really poorly with some of these teams, but honestly, that the same issue we’re going to have all through the playoffs. Thus my sincere lack of belief that we have anywhere near what it’ll take to go anywhere in the playoffs. :(
won't know until the games are played.
now is not the time to bail
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
but i do really think
we will be ok in any dome game, so lets hope for #2 seed, then NO and IND..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 20, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
I know you're having other issues right now...
but there is nothing, nothing, wrong with being an optimist (and I’d think someone in your situation would realize this). That’s sports; there are ups, there are downs. Your team will break your heart over and over, but true fans stick it out to see the good things happen. And they will happen. Call it ‘blind optimism’, call it stupidity, that’s fine. Either way, I support my teams through the difficult times as well as the good times. It’s the beauty of opinions. :)
And good luck with the surgery tomorrow.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Hey I can appreciate that...
I just dislike people who gripe about the opposite spectrum. Not everyone is a huge optimist. Some fans have been beat down by rooting for a team that consistently does what the Vikings love to do. I don’t think anyone has the right to bash fans like that.
Thank you for the well-wishes, either way. Thank you VERY much.
I don’t think anyone has the right to bash fans like that.
THAT I can agree with wholeheartedly. Thats why I try to support guys like you when I can. Personality types like ours tend to be in the vast minority (or at least it looks that way). And if the minority opinion isn’t protected and respected, you can end up in a very bad place. Please don’t make me mention Hitler or Sadaam again. That didn’t go over so well.
not all on farve though
rice fumble and shiancoe drop changed face of the game.
childress continues to be a complete idiot in my book.
i have always hated him and will continue to hate him.
WE ARE GOING TO GET ROLLED IN THE PLAYOFFS BY EAGLES, PACK, OR CARDS.
pick your poison, WE ARE OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Naw
Just trying to be a Packers fan that came up with a Vikings name to troll is over rated
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahahah
Do I see green inthat there post….
Hahahahahaha…..
Yeah think so……
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.......
Look at this troll stat:
los vikingos
joined Dec 20, 2009 last login Dec 20, 2009 posts 0 comments 3
Go home and enjoy your own L Packer!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
not a cheesehead
just hurting like shit after this game. i guess reality has just b…slapped me in the face.
the pain comes back. i was there in ’98 in the dome, i have no faith.
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
the Saints are still picking up fans.
seriously. losses hurt – but watcha going to do about it? suit up?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
No way
Sell that cheese somewhere else.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Of course you have no faith
The Packers lost, unless your a Saints fan, and they lost too. We own them in the playoffs. True, can see after this weekend why you no longer have faith. You can go back to ACME or Canal Street there chump
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
We had some tough Ls prior to that one...
I am still here, through good and bad….
Sh$t happens, and then you come back the next week/season/decade and kick butt….
Nature of the beast….
Although not pretty/comfortable at times, is what it is…..
Never say die though….get back up and fight…..
Win, or die trying…..better than whining or running…
Do understand the need to emote a bit….do the same, then keep going….
If we did NOTHING else this season from here on out, I can remember the butt-whipping we put on the Packers TWO times- yes TWO times!!!!!!
I feel better already!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
true
that did feel good…and the catch by the steeler rook’ was a thing of beauty…
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
true colors showing....
TWO TIMES – yes I say again TWO TIMES we whipped the Packers….
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Man I feel GOOD!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
this comment proves you're a troll....
hey los vikingos – you stated on this thread that this loss is “par for the course with Favre”. yet you just acknowledged the crucial drops by Rice and Shiancoe.
i thought it was all Favre’s fault?
no
this loss was not all farves fault….but, look at his passer rating. look at the INT he threw….this was not all his fault, BUT IT IS PAR FOR THE COURSE
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Here they come!
The Favre haters, the fair weather fans, and the “I told you so” crowd. Hang on, here they come!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions
yep!
when the sun shines, everybody is in love… and as soon as some stormclouds come rolling in…
OH WE SUCK, WE SUCK… I HATE THE VIKINGS… WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO ME
This team doesn’t suck. we are 11-3 with 2 games remaining. We lost to a ‘spoiler’ team. Happens.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Like Anthony21 said...twice in three games??
Sorry but that’s not just " a loss happens." You’d be better served acknowledging the suckitude and facing reality. That way you won’t be so disgusted or surprised when they lose in the first round of the playoffs. ;)
I won't be disgusted or surprised.
because… I have no effect on their play.
I simply try to enjoy the game… that’s right… ITS A GAME!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Though I agree with you at this current moment, I’d like to ask a preemptive question.
At what point does a good team transcend into actually “sucking” in your book? 4 losses? 5 losses? Early playoff exit? Or are all playoff teams exempt from “sucking”?
I’m not trying to be a prick here. I’m trying to understand when its ok to bash your own team and when its not. When does the optimism run out?
The team is 11-3...
a good team is 8-8 at season’s end. Suck teams are below .500 but true fans cheer for their sub-par team…
The Vikings have earned the NFC NORTH championship this year – for the 2nd straight year.
We play in a tough division, in a tough league… there are NO ‘gimmie’ games in this sport.
Every team matches up differently with their opponent, individual battles are won or lost which determine the outcome of the game.
I think the team is open to criticism when anytime they lose – find the individual failures that lead to the loss… poke at it.
but to throw your hands up in the air in dispair and generally bad-mouth the franchise is infuriating to this fan.
The optimism never runs out… because on any given play/drive/game/season things can turn ‘our’ way…
I’m the fan who cheers for the team to win in the face of obvious defeat. Never give up – that’s my motto.
Did anyone see the fans at the Lion’s game? 2-12 team giving the Cardinals a run for their money – CHEERING their brains out? Anyone? THAT is the attitude of fans that care.
GO VIKES!!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
You've passed with flying colors
You said exactly what i was looking to hear. Teams “suck” when they don’t make the playoffs in my book. And thats about what you were getting at.
But it does bring up another interesting senario. Would you say the Vikings of 41-0 lore deserved the “suck” label? See, I would despite their gaudy regular season. This brings into question my criterea for sucking. They more than made the playoffs, yet they were beyond horrible in them. At that point I’d almost wish to change places with the average 6-10 team that didn’t make the playoffs. But I guess thats all hindsite bias.
Losing sucks. Period.
but a loss in the playoffs, even a blowout, does not mean your TEAM sucks.
No… One game (regular season or playoffs) does not determine a team’s level of sucktitude.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. While they sucked last night, they are still 11-3 overall
I’ll be cheering for them until the day I die. Just hope to see a Super Bowl victory in my lifetime.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt
Curse you, ArizoneVikingsfan...
…your incurable optimism is hard to ignore. I’ll go on record as saying I admire you for it. I’m not sure I can ever get to that place as a Vikings fan but I wish I could. They’ve burned us all so many times that any hope I’ve had is extremely tiny. :(
lol!
well…
Football is entertainment (unless your playing it, then it’s hard work).
I choose to be entertained.
As fans we have zero impact on the gameplay… but I get fired up for game day like I used to when I did play.
And when my team loses… I want every player to believe they contributed to the loss and figure out how to improve for the next game.
This game is about the 1:1 matchups. Each player has to beat their opponent. Some can lose and the team can still achieve success… but if a couple do… or a few… it becomes REALLY DIFFICULT to win the play and the game.
I too see the problems the team has (all teams have them), but I find myself drawn to the potential of the next game, the next WIN!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 23, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
It's ok
Not that bad of a storm. They are more like a bad fart. Smell bad for a bit, linger and waif around in their own affluence then slowly fade away
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
And here comes the Rose-Colored glasses Defense League to the rescue!
While your busy defending this awful, awful performance, can you find the real Adrian Peterson and somehow get him back on track? Can you also get us a new, actually effective Secondary, because this one is clearly outmatched and awful? Can you get us a healthy O-line? Can you fix Harvin’s migraines? Or Chilly’s somewhat lame play-calling? Or fix the entire team’s lackadaisical attitude in should-win games?
Yeah, that’s what I thought. \:(
I hope you are not this negative...
about someone’s health problems…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Done arguing with you tonight bro
But seriously if you’re feeling this much pain and can’t see any way the Vikings can win ever, just change teams, save us and yourself all the heartache.
And btw, best of luck with your little boy tomorrow. I will include him in my prayers tonight.
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
Yeah, maybe I should find a more consistent team...
…might make things more enjoyable for me. This team just continually lets its fans down. Still, old habits die hard. It would be nice to see them prove us all wrong someday….
Vagabond fans
I’ve always supposed that fans who jump from bandwagon to bandwagon always have the most fun. They rarely if ever feel much disappointment. Its like living in a perpetual state of football nirvana.
Truth is I actually envy them. Because as great as they have it, I can never have what they have. I didn’t choose the Vikings, they chose me. I was born and raised a Minnesotan and I’m proud to call my self one till the day i die. The Vikings are my representative, my totem if you will. I don’t love them because of their players, or uniforms, or win/loss record, or trandition. I love them because they are a part of me. And just like the parts of your body, you don’t get to choose new ones. You have what you have.
like having an accent...
some people will think it’s cute, or silly, or even think you are ‘less of a person’ for having one.
Vikings fans sport a ‘badge of courage’, having endured so many seasons without greatness.
But each year coming back and hoping for hell to freeze…
It’s like shoveling out the end of your driveway KNOWING the plow is going to come by again!
(not that I have to deal with that anymore)
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well stated
And in fact living in DC today feels just like my days of growing up in Minn. We got thumped with 20" over the weekend. My arms and back ache from shoveling
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt
Let me rescue you then
Go root for a soccer team and get the hell off our board. You don’t have what it takes to be a fan of anything where a victory is not guaranteed. Do everyone a favor, including yourself, and go away and never come back!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Great impression you make here
Lovely attitude towards differing opinions. Nice one! Also your inept attempt to bash by referring to the worlds most popular sport (which dwarfs the Super Bowl or any of our US sports) has failed badly. I actually love that sport too.
We’ll have to agree to be done speaking with each other. You seem clueless to me and determined to ignore reality. Must be nice in your world.
Right back at you.
Your losing attitude reflects your life, I’m sure. I don’t hate soccer, but I don’t care about it either, I doubt you do because teams lose in soccer too. You wouldn’t be able to handle it.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Nah..soccer is actually very fluctuating...
Teams win and lose but rarely do they flat-out get blown out versus a lesser team like tonight. So embarrassing for the team, its long-suffering fans, the state. Just pathetic.
I doubt it
You really don’t care about soccer either, otherwise you would have given up, right?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe so...
Either way, it’s late and I know I’m not going to change your mind any more than you’ll change mind. No point in annoying you any further.
Night.
agree wyte...
gringos dont get soccer. in argentina, someone on the vikings’ head would have been plastered with a tomato or a bottle. at least there sports participants are accountable in some way. people really care and they can air their frustrations. tonight was embarrasing. there is no point sugarcoating this.
no people of any sport are as passionate as soccer fans. more than a religion…..
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
any given sunday
this vikings well you might not have faith in them but the rest of us do so don’t you see a trend that it’s you your a sore loser they didn’t get the job done we go on to mnf and crush da bears and get 1round bye they about a month to get the kinks worked out it will happen.
need my Knuck to English translator...
please expand your thoughts.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
where is 'all day'?
guys, seriously, what the hell is wrong with peterson??!?
Get lost
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
O-Line hasn't been run blocking since about week 2
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Where as this douche
is becoming more like a pimple on the arse that you just cant get too. Oh Gonz, where are you?
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
dude
what good is a blog if you cant air your frustrations out.
f you. i’ve been a vikes fan longer than you have probably lived….
by los vikingos on Dec 20, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
lol
nice try. If you want to air, why come up with a new name all of a sudden? hmmmmmm
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
quick.
what did the Vikings win in 1969?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
quick
who committed Offensive Pass Interfernce that went ‘uncalled’ and cost us a 5th trip to the SB?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Quick
Who gave a Mankato fast food joint an new ‘drive thru’?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
BUZZ!
anyone else want to provide the answer?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
i remember that :)
he’s my all time favorite viking.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
No kidding
I feel ya, los Vikingos…I feel ya. You’re always going to rile-up the hardcore optimists…it happens. I just acknowledge the differences in viewpoints and know that we’re not as good as they want us to believe. Take a few games off…that usually works for me. Less frustration when they inevitably choke anyway. LOL
get lost
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I AM a Vikings fan
You’re not. Get lost.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
No one believes that you are a vikings fan who never bothered to join SB til now, but then after their worst game of season, join immediately after & within a minute started spamming a bunch of posts
Stop It. This is as lame as it is transparent.
that’s right! only true fans are on the internet and are members of the DN!
i think if you aren’t a DN member you shouldn’t be allowed to watch the vikings at all. that keep all these lame and transparent people out!
just in case it’s missed…massive sarcasm here….
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Now you are talking....
You are the MAN!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:35 AM CST up reply actions
40 and showin it
that man will not get out of bed tomorrow……
Another "New" fan....
swimgpool
joined Dec 21, 2009 last login Dec 21, 2009 posts 0 comments 1
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
who cares? we don’t need to know the join date of everyone who disagrees with you.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
You betcha....
Packer fans are always welcome….
There is always hope they will see the light!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
Oh God
Troll Part Duex
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I repeat
If we did NOTHING else this season from here on out, I can remember the butt-whipping we put on the Packers TWO times- yes TWO times!!!!!!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Now THIS I can agree with at least
The only real highlight of the season, imho.
get lost
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
get lost
At least quit this too. HAHAHAHA!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 20, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wait
Maybe this is Tommy Kramer who is upset the Vikings are going somewhere?
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 20, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
what happened to mckinnie
was he injured?
benched...
for failing to do his job
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 20, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
McKinnie just put on Twitter
that Chilly tried to bench Favre tonight.
He also owned up to playing awful.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
tried???
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Dec 20, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
..on asking the nattering nabobs of negativism to 'just pick another team'
..see that doesn’t quite work..anyone who is a lifelong fan likely has a deep-rooted pessimism that can be masked, but not eradicated until we win the big one.. its just natural after decades of never quite measuring up… but you CANT pick another team, b/c they are in your blood and no matter how much you curse/swear/try to not care about them anymore,..you do.. b/c you are a true fan and you just cant help it..
so trying to look at bright side, we have already improved over last year.. but looking at this season in the grand scheme of the vikings existence, nothing will ever be good enough until WE FINALLY WIN THE SB!!!
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
DAMN STRAIGHT MY BROTHER BRANFAVRENTON
Well said sir! Took the words out of my mouth.
Not sure how to take this loss
I just don’t understand the Vikes inability to run the ball for essntially the last month. Favre’ decisions are harried, because his time to throw has been almost zero. The run game sets up the passing game in this offense, and with no credible threat to run effectively, defenses are dropping into coverage and taking away Rice and Harvin.
Looks like EJ Henderson is missed more than we thought last week; hopefully Brinkley figures it out.
This is still an 11-3 football team, but two ugly losses in three weeks are troublesome in that the VIkings didn’t even really compete in either game. Bad penalties and poor o-line play are killing this team right now.
I firmly believe these are correctable problems, but suddenly the BEars game next Monday is a must-win. I eagerly await to see how this team responds.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
How they'll respond
Let’s see: night game, road game, bad conditions, sub-500 team? They’ll lose.
same old thing
At this point, I would have to agree. They’ll gag on their own puke. Nice job Vikes.
I have to agree with Kirkaracha and Viking64 on this.
Nothing we’ve seen in recent weeks has shown us anything different to make us believe that the Vikings will magically fix their serious issues that have recently been uncovered. :( I hope I’m wrong but it seems extremely unlikely. They’re just not quite the team we all thought (and hoped) they really were.
Best solution:
Give up………
Watch grade school soccer…..
They too are looking for fans….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
Again with the bizarre Futbol remarks?? LOL
If the soccer comments are supposed to be insulting, you’ve failed miserably. It’s by far the best sport in the world, dwarfing our fun little American football. I love both sports but soccer by a bit more having played semi-professionally and followed the sport my entire life. ;)
Football (USA version) is a blast too, though.
Yes Wytefang I too am a soccer fan....
My team is Bayern Muenchen….THE most hated team in Frankfurt where I live when not traveling/in Dubai (they have their Bundesligue Eintracht Franckfurt team, but I could never really enjoy watching them)….The rivalry is similar to Green Bay and Minnie….
I always go to the games between the two in Frankfurt if I am in town – a slightly dangerous thing to do, because there are some bad fans that hate it went you start hooraying as Bayern kicks Frankfurt’s butt (which is normally the case)….
On the Vikes, I just never left them behind being a fan since a kid….and the reason still watching now – they are part of my psyche…I have heard for years about how the Vikes cannot win the big one – even my German friends remind me of this lol – It is hard when we have games or series of games where they perform under their capabilities (I am calm now from the last game and overall last three weeks with two lousy and one good game total lol)….
Like all of us, I want more for this year’s Viking team and it is frustrating to see them screwing their season up when they have the talent and the potential for much more than what they showed….They are still in a position to control their destiny to a degree, but the margin for errors is way down…self-inflcted once again…
There are steps they can, should and must take to turn this around. I will wait impatiently for the next game to see what they do. I am sure your situation is the same….If I overreacted in the many replies to your many posts I apologize….
Over the days now we are seeing some real analysis and positive suggestions on how we might/should fix this. That is what I would hope for rather than general negative comments that were prevelant ….I do think though that these were generated mostly directly after and the next day, when all of us were still venting….
Let’s hope really that they get their stuff together and there is no more need for us all to go crazy here and elsewhere…..Waiting for Monday night game anxiously! Enjoy your holidays…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 23, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
Shocker
I’ve been a Viking’s fan for the past 40 years. The trick to being a Viking’s fan is to NEVER let yourself think they’ll win the big game. After a while, you just get used to having your heart ripped out, as I predict will happen again this year. Believe what you want, but I’ve been through this WAY TOO MANY TIMES to think the outcome will be any different.
A loss to the Panthers….good lord.
Really?
Remember last year’s Cardinals? Vikes are a better team. Remember ’07 Giants (when I was a Packer fan I remember all too well)? Vikes are better. I could go on and on. This team is fine. Cinci is a very good team and the Vikes pasted them. As your old idiot coach Mike Tice once said, “Enjoy the season.” And you Packer fans. I know you. I know what you think. I have said it before and I will say it again. If you are so happy with your QB, why do you waste all of your time here ripping the Viking QB. Train left the station and all that. Not his fault he can still play at an exceptional level. Enjoy your fantasy football QB, he will always almost get you there.
ive heard word of some controversy with farve and childress i am sure there will be stories on it tomorrow in the news
dont know where it will lead so ill leave it as this may hurt the team more lets see what happens try to come back tomorrow
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Doomed in December
I’m sorry but I have to vent. I have been a Viking fan forever, since 1968. I have never seen a more talented Viking team as this one. What frustrates me most is watching a team fall apart so late in the season when in fact they should be cranking it up.
The problems I see is that when Peterson is alone in the backfield, he is a marked man. The defense is waiting for Favre to hand it off. When Kleinsasser is in the lineup and Tahi is in the backfield with either Taylor or Peterson, the Vikings are almost unstoppable and Peterson gets yardage. There are so many weapons at Favre’s command I can’t help but get angry that nothing is happening. Just who is calling these plays anyway? Am I the only one who can see it?
On defense, they are hot and cold. A championship team knows how to turn it up a notch when needed. The Vikes have lost control of the handle. I know Favre is a great qb, but sometimes he takes too long to get the ball off. Try using a stopwatch and compare him with any winning qb. There is a difference between a winner and a looser. It’s not much difference, but it is noticeable.
I have to agree with STILPONY that being a Viking fan you have to get used to having your heart ripped out. I feel your pain. Mine has been ripped out so many times I can’t hear it beat anymore. If they fail aginst the Bears, their chances of a playoff victory seem hopeless.
feeling your pain
At this point I have to agree with the Lizard. This team is a gut wrenching heart-breaker unit….again. We had’em in the 70s. We had’em in the late 80s & early 90s. We had’em in 200×. Now they’re back, different cast, different crew, same old purple pain. man I’m tired of my team never turning up the volume when they need to. Disheartening. They should have mopped the floor with that scrub team. and yes…. I see how much we lost when EJ went down.
I’ve been doin’ this dance since about 68’ also. I feel the same way.
Totally agree with you both
…but we’ll all get ripped on by the Rose-colored-Glasses Defense League (the RGDLs or RagDolls as I call ’em) for saying this stuff though. :(
No, your pain is real and all fans feel it tonight...
Diffference is that real men get up and keep going….
The quitters never have the chance to MAYBE win it all….
Because they quit…..
Which will you be?
THAT is the question that is the BIG one….
Goes not only for Vikings football…..
Life continuously confronts one….
How we face the challenges determines what we have the chance to become/are…
Again, which will you be?
A quitter or one who gets up after falling down again and again……
Your choice…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
like it
Love the sentiment as it applies to life.
If any of us were quitters we would’nt be here spilling our passion (alot of times at the risk of redicule, as if our opinions, if tinged with any type of pessimism or negativity, are not valid).
I know how it goes. Negativity is basically a bad thing cause’ it breeds discontent. But this is a pro sports team. Not my battle with cancer, or a divorce, or my alcoholism….its sports. So if anyone wants to pi$$ & moan & barf their discontent then I say… “let ’er rip!!”.
We all have the right to have our opinions & to express them. This isnt the Soviet Union (yet) so let the venters vent & let the angels sing praise. Either way, wear your colors & bleed your purple. Its ALL good either way. We as Viking fans share a unique form of suffering & since I’ve been doing it for 40 years its made me a bit mental, & a bit of a pessimist. The melt-downs start to look the same after a few decades & they always, ALWAYS hurt.
Well ...
I think the problem is that some of us, myself included, get SO angry and frustrated with our team’s consistent inconsistencies (LOL) that we come close to wanting to stop watching them. I can understand why that would bother a RagDoll type fan but their constant insults don’t do much to make their particular viewpoint terribly appealing either.
The best perspective, I suspect, is probably somewhere in-between Rose-Colored Glasses and Super Negative I want to Quit guys (such as myself). LOL
most of them aren’t really viking fans. their stay is only contingent on how long #4 is around.
i don’t know how many posts i’ve read this year that contained the phrase “i used to be a packer fan” or something like it. half the posters currently on this site introduced themselves this way.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
anyone would take 11-3. what did we learn?
that even all pro players can play like shit.
that chilly isnt afraid to pull players (which is god)
and that our WRs are over rated. berrian cant get open. rice cant get seperation
and harvin is streaky.
Our O line i streaky.
AP is looking more and more like herschel walker
Our defense is over rated – how can you lead the league in sacks but be so ASS BAD at getting interceptions?
how can an old safety suck on your team, go to a worse defense, and be an all pro? explain?
i HATE the cover two. I hate that the Bengals totally shut down our WRs last week.
we need to chip more on the ends, we need 2 RBs most of the time now. for blocking or “releasing” or what have you.
we need to stpe it up but think fellas,
MOST of this team has only been to the playoffs once. once. that includes five of our pro bowlers.
so these games hopefully will light that fire
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Bet The House On the Colts!
Bet everything on the Colts winning the Super Bowl: they are the only NFL team that has not lost; therefore, they are the only team that has a chance of winning the Super Bowl! Any team that loses a game in an ugly fashion has no chance of going all the way!
I’m kidding, mostly. I was one of the people who explained away the Cardinals game as an aberation, especially after the win over Cinci. But yeah, two butt-whoopings in three weeks has me a little concerned, too. (Matt Moore? MATT MOORE????)
This Vikings team can still go deep in the playoffs, and can still wrap up that # 2 seed. I’m not saying they will, but I am most definitely saying they can. Remember, this Panthers team that just crushed Minnesota did go 13-3 last season, I believe, so it is not like the Vikings just got crushed by the Lions or Browns.
Yeah, I’m trying pretty hard to be optimistic (MATT MOORE???), but I’m not declaring this season over yet.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 21, 2009 6:18 AM CST reply actions
OUCH!!!!
That one hurt! We all owe the Pittsburgh Steelers a big THANK YOU! I’d hate to be chased down and caught from behing by the Pack. That would suck.
Still my team
Like most of you I feel like crap today. I stayed up way to late drinking beer and watching my team stink. Living in the south I only get to see the Vikes a couple of times a year on TV the rest of the time I have to try and find a crappy stream. All that being said the Minnesota Vikings are still my team. They ripped my heart apart so many times that it is now just scar tissue. But they are still my team. I proudly donned the purple this morning when I took the dog to the park. I don’t drink the kool-aid nor do I where the glasses I just love life when they win and hate it when they lose and this year I have loved life a whole lot more than I have hated it.
Skol (maybe a little hair of the dog will be good for me)
by SouthernNorseman on Dec 21, 2009 8:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I really liked this post...got me thinking..
..thanks for posting this. It does help some of us hot-headed angry fans to put things in perspective. Good on ya for supporting the team from so far away. Skol my brutha!
Good man :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Been thru seasons much worse than this
still support my team to the fullest!
Biggest problems with this team in order of importance
1. Offensive Line Play: Terrible, not only are they not opening any running lanes, but they were terrible in the pass blocking as well. I believe Peppers ate Favre for 6 yards lost while being single covered during a 3 man rush. Just sad.
2. Darrell Bevell: Sucks. I don’t know about you guys, but watching that game I felt like I knew what the next play was going to be, and guess what, so did John Fox and the Panther’s defense. We’ve seen this before, this is nothing new and not something that can improve in one week.
3. Adrian Peterson: I don’t know if he has higher expectations this year of a running lane from his O-Line, but eventhough the holes don’t seem there, Peterson isn’t hitting it hard enough. It seems like he’s juking the line and looking for that homerun almost EVERY PLAY. I understand he wants that long run, but you’re 6’2" 220 pound the fucking hole or make one.
4. Jasper Brinkley: Panthers did their homework. They knew who Jasper would have to cover and they exposed it. You can’t expect a lot out of a rookie, and he had some key missed tackles but he’ll learn with time. Someone just did a story on the terrible tackling skills these days in the NFL. Brinkley is no exeption. Teams who do their research will find ways to exploit his inexperience.
5. Time of posession: Way too short. The defense held the panthers to 6 points through 3 quarters. That’s an excellent job. But if you’re on the field long enough, teams will find a way to score points and move up the field, and your D will get tired. Last nights game reminded me of 2008 like no other. D on the field WAY TOO LONG.
6. Time outs: Should’ve used a couple near the end of the 1st half. Childress has his head up his ass again. From the camera work, looked like Chilly was busy yelling at Bevell on the mic instead of thinking about keeping some clock for a potential last second field goal before the half. Even the commentators were amazed at this blunder.
Overview: 1,3,4 and 5 can call be fixed. 2 and 6 are things we’ve seen since day 1 and just aren’t going to change. This team no matter how well they play and talented they are, they will always be outcoached by a good team.
What your language! Gonzo has warned us all!
No F-words
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I mean watch your language!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
1,3,4 and 5 can call be fixed. 2 and 6 are things we’ve seen since day 1 and just aren’t going to change
Wow, I’d actually say the exact opposite. You can change your playcalling, even mid-game if you’d like. But you can’t change your talent level. If AP sucks at reading holes, he sucks at reading holes (not saying he actually does). If your OL can’t pass or run block, then you need to identify new peices in the offseason. If your starting MLB goes out with injury, you have to play the rookie. You have no other choice. Talent cannot be improved midseason. Coaching can.
Disagree
at least a little. Talent can’t be improved, but performance can. Just because AP is good a reading holes doesn’t mean he performs to his ability every game. Lately it hasn’t been there the last 5 games. They can improve performance, I’m not doubting talent.
Yes playcalling can improve, however, in 4 years I’ve seen very little creativity in the offensive scheme, it’s all based on execution, and when the players aren’t player up to their ability and executing the plays that are called, you need something in your back pocket to throw the other team off. Vikings haven’t shown that in 4 years, there’s no reason to believe it will change for week 16 of 2009.
wow
6 things wrong and not one of them favre. even though he’s thrown 4 ints in the last 3 games and has a less than 80 qb rating in all three. but none of that is his fault of course! it’s, the line, the coach, peterson, brinkley, the time of possession and misuse of timeouts. but not favre! never that!
lemme guess….you used to be a packer fan and now you’re a ‘viking (read favre)’ fan?
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 21, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
WRONG
I’ve always been a Vikings fan. Favre didn’t have his best game, and he hasn’t been leading the charge on offense, but let’s get a few things straight for those of you who don’t understand basic football strategy:
1. Minnesota is a run first team. We are build around running the football, and have arguably the best runner this game has seen since Payton.
2. In order to win a lot of games and be successful on offense is to establish the running game. Vikings did NOT do that. Peterson had what? 25 yards? No run game = one dimensional
3. No pass protection. You are playing one of the best DE’s next to Jared Allen in the league and you SINGLE BLOCK him? He’s tearing up your O Line from both sides and you continue to put only one man on him? Can’t throw the ball when you’re being tackled every play…
4. It’s a lot easier to shut down a passing game as good as the Vikings’ when you have taken away the running game and forced them to pass. It’s easier to sit back in coverage and let the monster named Peppers your QB to shreds.
Go back to school
The understated problem with Favre
Ya, Favre occassionaly makes bad decisions with the football. And ya he tends to lose a little accuracy on his throws come winter. But I think you accidentally identified the one area of Favre’s game that may be killing this team the most.
As his little spats with Childress are starting to indicate, Favre thinks hes a coach and will change the gameplan repeatedly if he feels like it. We are failing to run frequently enough to establish a running game because #4 doesn’t see the need for it. He’s taken over the identity of the team, even against Chilly’s wishes. Brad wants a good running team but Favre would rather chuck it around.
You want your cake
You along with everyone else was jumping up and down when Favre was winning games with his arm, now you’re puting the BLAME on him for our 2 most recent losses? Seriously?
15 carries + 25 yards = THROW THE DAMN BALL!
Obviously the “run game” isn’t able to be established, and you need a QB who has the ability to win it with his arm. Favre has that ability and has done it.
The real problem you refuse to conclude yourself by watching the game, instead of listening to garbage media sportswriters, is that there was terrible blocking. Both run blocking and pass blocking was almost non-existent.
I’d rather have a QB that knows when a game is getting out of reach and plays with a sense of urgency to step up and try to win a game than a player who sits back and let’s childress run the ball 15 more times in the 4th quarter as we are getting smoked on primetime TV.
For someone who lives and dies by media reports, read it this morning. Childress said he didn’t try to pull Favre, he just gave him the option to come out since he was getting roughed up. I guess your naive and conforming thought process really paid off.
if you’ve always been a viking fan then you know that 15 carries is no where near enough for this team. petereson wears out defenses. he punishes them over 4 quarters of football. he can’t do that on 15 carries.
1 – if minnesota is a run first team, why on 15 carries? it’s not like we had to come from behind through the first 3 quarters.
2 – again 15 carries is enough to establish the run? maybe in the first half only.
3 – pass protection? if you’re running the ball, you don’t have to worry about pass protection.
4 – take away the running game? that’s not possible with peterson. if you keep running him, he WILL break one.
i wasn’t jumping up and down over favre. i’ve never come on here and said i was happy to have him as qb. he can’t play at a high level for a full season and hasn’t done so since 03.
i’d rather have us run the ball 15 more times. we weren’t getting ‘smoked’ in primetime UNTIL we abandoned the run.
and yeah of course chilly’s gonna come out and admit that fave basically told him to go to hell.
keep defending the guy.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 22, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
and your opinion is unbiased too... right??
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
hard to tell if you’re replying to me.
either way, my opinion is most definitely biased. i am a viking fan. that is my bias. i’m not a favre fan whose only wearing purple because favre is. i look at his production. i look at what he has done. i really don’t care how much he plays like a kid or how much passion for the game he has. that’s all great, but can he play?
yes, he can play. unfortunately for us though, he can’t play at a high level for a complete season. if you actually look at his performances at the end of the year of the past several years, you would see that too.
or you can stick with the ‘favre is awesome and that is all’ mentality. i guarantee you the coaches and players aren’t all patting themselves on the back saying ’we’re 11-3 everything is great’. there all saying something is wrong and we need to fix it.
unfortunately, #4 is the something wrong and we won’t fix it this year.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 22, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
yes...
You think Favre is the problem – that is your bias…
and I think the something wrong is the OLine, and it won’t matter who is in the QB slot until we get them ‘fixed’.
Favre happens to be the QB feeling the fade of our OLine.
Been a Vikings fan since 1970. The only reason I’m a fan of Favre is because he is wearing Vikings purple and to this point, he’s done a boatswain’s job of leading the team.
As far as his late season swoon… let’s see how these next 2 games go… and how his numbers result.
IF our OLine can re-establish the run and provide some pass protection, I think he’ll do OK.
IF he stinks it up… I’ll call for him to ride the pine. I just don’t see the problem is ‘him’ yet.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 23, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
What kind of fans are you?
Didn’t Arizona get demolished by both New England and Minnesota late in the season last year, but come playoff time they were dominant! Didn’t the Colts their season winning the Superbowl make there mark mainly in the Playoffs? Why do people just say the Vikings sucks because we lost? Why are so many fans disappointed for an 11-3 record? Why are people stating our wideouts are overrated? If so we wouldn’t be 11-3 or even half of that! These are times when teams expect if anyone the FANS to help them out, not bashing them! No one can get motivation if their own fans are bashing them! But I think our success is clearly in the hands of Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor! Why does our running game excel with T-jack at qb but not Favre? When we win against the Bears than I would let T-Jack play the last game!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ding! Ding! Ding!
excellent comment.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'll convert this until a fanpost!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Good argument
however, I for one believe the main problem lies with the coaching staff and the inability to prepare their players physically and mentally for big games. We’ve lost almost every “big” or “important” game under this staff so far. I was hoping down the stretch they’d establish some dominance to prove that they’ve overcome choking in big games. So far they’re telling us fans: “this team is no different from previous teams, we will continue to play under our ability in big games, especially during primetime”
DING! DING! DING!
I think this is also, with apologies to ArizonaVikingsFan, an excellent post too by Cdubs. Well said, sir! +10000
Any Given Sunday....
Sh*t happens, then you die….
Nice thing with Vikings is always NEXT Sunday (errrrr Monday next week)……
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions
We Broncos fans Found Someone Who Choked Worse than Us
and it’s the Minnesota Vikings! I’m glad Kyle Orton is our quarterback rather than Brett Favre, it wasn’t Orton’s fault we lost to the Raiders.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions
T-Jack is better than Orton!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
T-Jack is better than Favre too
but I’ve spoken blasphemy because Brett Favre can do no wrong!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 21, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
If Orton was in Favre's postion and kept getting smacked to the ground
than I’d beg to differ
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
again Favre gets preferential treatment
he is a version of Jay Cutler that won a championship. If Favre didn’t have Antonio Freeman, Reggie White, Dorsey Levens, etc. he would have won no championships but everybody’s bewitched by the southern charm. It makes me sick.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly Favre is the Reason we're 11-3!
How could it possibly be his fault if it’s his best season of his career? I undastand your point that you think Favre is some sort of diva who gets all the good treatment but you need to be reminded that this is the Favre that all of us Minnesota Vikings fan hated, so we’ll definitely bash him if it was his fault!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Well Favre and our wideouts that is!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
You speak with mouth of hater.
If every SB team wasn’t deep in all facets, they don’t win. Your football expertise is laughable.
WHAAAAT!!!???
Your team was 6-0 and have lost 6 of the last 8 games…
No… your team has choked worse than the Vikings 3 losses.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Donkeys
Make that Donkeys…not ponies. Go away to your manger Donkey fan. Enjoy the holidays. Hope you like college football cause’ your lame Donkey couldnt trot it out to the finish line this year. Troll.
Press Coverage?
i do not understand why on a 3rd and medium to short, Antoine Winfield and the DB’s are 5 or 6 yards off the receivers. The Vikings give up the most and easiest completions i’ve ever seen. Cedric Griffin is the only on up on the line, giving a little bump and not letting a scrub like Matt Moore make the easiest passes hes ever gotten. If the pass rush was in the QB face every play, you can get away with that but when there is no pressure, i think John David Booty could tear apart a defense.
LOST: FOOTBALL TEAM
Spotted once in last three weeks. They wear mostly purple and have about 52 players of various height, weight, and ages. If anybody has seen them, please return to Minnesota as soon as possible. I miss them dearly. Sincerely, A life-long fan!
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt
I think this season maybe Just Maybe determines our Franchise's destiny!
No Superbowl, it would be very difficult to get a stadium! The government is already bit**ing about giving it to us!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 21, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions
Same Old Vikes
Its the same old vikes I’ve watched for 30 years! Start fast , peter out in the end. It’s hard to believe in them even with Favre. It’s hard to think they gave Childress a new contract during the middle of the season. Without Brett they would be lucky to be .500. Which is what Childress record was before Brett came and probably what it will be when he leaves. No future with him.
Every team in the NFC North...
has lost to their NFC South foe this year…
Bears 14 – Falcons 21 (7-7)
Lions 27 – Saints 45 (13-1)
Packers 28 – Bucaneers 38 (yes! the 2-12 Tampa Bay Bucs)
Vikings 7 – Panthers 26 (6-8)
They are ALL still legitimate NFL teams… and as some are right to say… ’It’s hard to win in the NFL’.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions
It was WAY too early to try to write this post
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
keep it in check...
- you’re all correct that if we play like we played last night in the playoffs we’re going nowhere.
- and if we play that way in the next two games we could drop to a 3 seed.
- Favre-Chilly sideline discussion – i know the coach is the head of the team, but why pull your starting QB in the 3rd quarter when the score is 7-3?
- i’m not saying Favre isn’t without blame; the ENTIRE TEAM (incl. coaching staff) is to blame. look at it this way, Favre doesn’t block to protect himself or open holes for the RB.. Favre doesn’t run the ball. Favre doesn’t defend against the pass. Favre doesn’t rush the opponent’s QB. Favre doesn’t kick or return kicks.
now who here can say it’s Favre’s fault we lost? i understand most of you aren’t saying that but i’ve seen a few posts (including the troll’s post) that say differently.
we won 11 games (9 pretty resoundingly). all is not lost.
run game and protection
we need to run in cold weather games don’t care if we are only getting 2or 3 yards with ap at least 25 to 30 times doesn’t matter if he gets only 80 yards its getting him the touches and even try to get chestor 10 touches make it where brett throws max 20 times a game the next 2.if you give ap those runs maybe the o-line will get some holes he gets thoughs little runs and sooner or later as defense it takes a toll on you and you give up a gasher for a td and sets up playaction the reason i think we have had a hard time is had a hard time early pass blocking so they worked on that and got away from practicing the run.and it will keep the defense fresh like it was earlier in the season that is the recipe for sucess.
DING! DING! DING!
get that run game going!
where is our smash-mouth OLINE??
Cmon guys!
(late season conspiracy theory)
we are showing a pass tendency and a run right tendency now (damn the record)
so we can RUN RUN RUN (EVEN LEFT!!) in the post-season.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 21, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Adrian's and Brett's new song
O where, O where has my offensive line gone?
O where, O where can they be?
With their tummies so big they are so out of breath,
O where, O where can they be?
O-line
is fat and slow…man McKinnie and Loadholt looked like they were running in quicksand…other than that i dont really have any complaints about the ream, when the line doesnt give anyone time to throw or holes to run into that can cause an offense to be lucky to get 7 points…lets just hope they can get on a run and rebound
and i see that the media is on the bast Favre in December talk after slobbering on him almost all year
Shouldn't we be running up the gut then?
It’s not like Peterson isn’t tough enough to do so, it’s just that we seem to get into play-calling ruts don’t we?
It seems to me from watching the Cards and Panthers games that defenses have us figured out. Shouldn’t we try something a bit different? And are Childress and Bevell capable of doing that? It’s almost like they hand the ball to AP and if he doesn’t break off a 60 yard TD in his first 8 carries, they figure he doesn’t “have it” that day and they stay with the shootout gameplan that hasn’t worked for us in a few weeks now.
Very frustrated with the newly-extended Childress and his inability to adjust the offense. Fox adjusted and in the fourth quarter they went off on us. Why can’t we do that?
by Bodysuit Man on Dec 21, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
How many times
has that very philosophy been lambasted as the ‘old rut’, one that was as ineffective as too many passes can be now? Using a mix of plays that spreads the D more is not so much in the current scheme IMO. Revisiting things that worked the 1st time (last night quick slants were effective, but not used enough IMO) has not been a strategy, either. I still think this team has the people to get it done – though there’s less time to do that this time of year.
Our OL is good but not great.
We have 2 rookies, an undersized Herrera and a gentle giant McKinney. The old man (Hutch) is solid. I love the OL but they are somewhat limited. I blame Chilly for trying to block a Porsche with a bulldozer all night. Look at how J Allen gets silenced and you may learn something. Its called HELP. Add a tight end to the equation and Peppers is no longer MR. Bigshot.
The offensive weapons come alive when there are opportunities to use them. If disruptive players like Peppers are allowed to fracture the line then the offense will continue to be stifled….and so will the Vikes. We need linemen with speed technique and heart. Not just meat.
The Vikings have only beat two teams with winning records not from Wisconsin
End of story. I can’t believe nobody talks about that, it’s all about the record. Well, I love them, but they appear to be a bit of a paper tiger this year. The O-line is mediocre and it goes on from there. Here’s to 2010!
Team Problems/Solutions
First Post – Watched Been a fan of the vikings since 1970.
The team has some real problems
- Childress Play calling. It’s sometimes bad and predictable, but he has tried (slowly) to work things in quick outs, and passes to A.P. out of the backfield to stop the overload vs the run not his fault that A.P. was dropping passes vs Carolina. He is awsome once he cathes the ball – very important that he starts. + Harvin being sidelined also takes some options away.
- O-Line not opening any holes for most of the season. or protecting Farve very well lately (although Peppers is a beast). When their only job was to run block they got into a groove. dont know how quite to fix this one
- The secondary is perhaps one of the worst in the league. look at the games by rodgers(x2) flacco warner and moore(u gotta be kidding). This problem gets covered up when and if their excellent D-line puts pressure on qb and shortens coverage time. Lately this has been falling off and shows perhaps Chilly will have to roll the dice and bring db’s like when winfield sacked moore.
All this being said I feel that If AP starts making catches(which can turn into big plays). And the leagues #1 D-Line gets fired up we can still make a run
Another insightful, excellent post here today
..Totally agree. I wish we could magically fix our awful, awful Secondary but sadly that won’t happen overnight or even over a season or two. :( It’s a bummer that or D-line pass rush has faded down the stretch. Maybe if we can nab that Bye week, we can rest a few players and it could help. Hard to say though.
I’m not (as noted here) terribly optimistic about it. :(
That is why best to go with NO Wytefang....
I am sure you will find happiness there being their fan?
It is entirely too depressing for you sticking it out as a Viking fan I am sure….
Plus they have great food too….
and music….
See what I mean?
Who Dat!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
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