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Childress: Talk of Benching Favre Was "Stream of Consciousness"

Brett Favre got his say, and now Brad Childress got his. According to a variety of Tweets from Zulgad, Jensen and Viking Update coming out of the Childress presser this afternoon, here's what we know: Childress wouldn't say that Brett Favre was "dissenting" when there was talk of benching him in the second half on Saturday, and instead described the sideline chatter as more "stream of consciousness" than anything. From Zulgad:

Childress also said his discussion with Favre about making a change was a "stream of consciousness" move on his part.

And Jensen:

Childress did not yank Favre. He said it was more "of a stream of consciousness," because Favre was getting his "rear end killed."

Jensen and others have noted reports that this was the third time Childress thought about benching Favre this season. Chilly wanted to take Favre out of games against the Lions and Packers, a revelation that definitely added fuel to this fire. Yep, as the top story on ESPN, this seemed on its way to becoming schism-gate all over again. Chilly obviously tried to settle things down in the presser, and we'll see if this story goes away.

I tend to believe this is being blown out of proportion, even if Chilly has apparently considered benching Favre before. The two big issues here are 1) How serious Childress was about replacing Favre in the third quarter of yesterday's game with the Vikings ahead, and 2) If it was because Favre was getting knocked around or if it was because Childress thought Tarvaris Jackson could provide a needed change of pace. Two interesting questions that welcome speculation, but ultimately, this is a chapter that needs to be put in the rear view mirror.

Update: Kevin Seifert, as usual, offers a solid take.

1. There have been occasions this season when Childress has considered pulling quarterback Brett Favre from a game for performance reasons.

2. Sunday night at Carolina was not one of those times.

3. Childress’ relationship with Favre is too close to "colleague" and too far from "coach-player."

That seems about right to me. I'm not convinced Chilly was serious about benching Favre on Sunday, so I just don't buy any talk of Favre dissenting from a decision by the coaching staff. It's also little surprise that Favre and Chilly seem more like colleagues than player and coach -- everyone knows that Brett is "his own man."

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This controversy is NOT over

That statement is just Chilly doing damage control. Do you think a head coach would ADMIT he was vetoed by a player? “Yeah, I wanted to take Favre out, but he said no, and I guess you saw who has the power by who played (read: FAVRE)”. NO. He is trying to save face. But it does not change the fact that Chilly was pissed at Favre’s play and Favre said “screw you.”

Also, everyone is missing another crucial point. THE VIKINGS ARE NOT RUNNING THE BALL AND FAVRE IS AUDIBLING OUT OF RUNS. He (and his butt-boy Bevell) are subjecting the offense to Favre’s EGO and his desire to throw. For example:

“The Vikings had a 30-20 lead and were running their four-minute offense. The Packers were out of timeouts, and the Vikings called a run play on 3rd and 10 with 3:27 left. Favre changed the play at the line of scrimmage and took a shot downfield that fell incomplete, stopping the clock.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4761127

Now Favre is trying to prove that he is not declining in December like all the critics said he would, and ironically, IS declining precisely because he has destroyed the Vikings offensive strength (RUNNING AD) which thus takes away the reason he was having success early on (threat of the run).

I love the Vikings and I know they probably can’t win in the postseason without Favre, but this is the double-edged sword with him. His talent gives you a chance, but his ego can destroy you.

by Ace991 on Dec 21, 2009 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

Why would you take ANY NFL coach at their word? Would you take Bellichek at his word?

by TrevorR on Dec 23, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Regardless

Regardless of the accuracy of your other points, or inaccuracy, I think terming Bevell a “butt boy” is off-base.

Cheerfulness in the face of adversity. Stay calm.

by medicineball on Dec 21, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ignore the fool

Guys Ace991 is a troll that is just trying to bash on Favre. Check his profile…

by dsludo on Dec 21, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Facts are facts!

I guess i would expect the overreactions by some after a game like that but lets keep the “facts”, facts and the speculation, speculation.

Not a fact—-Chilly was pissed at Favres play and Favre said “screw you”—-that would be speculation.

Fact—-The Vikes played two games in 3 weeks that were somewhere in between uninspired and downright pathetic.

Fact—-they need to turn this trend around in a hurry or else they’ll be playing on wildcard weekend and miss out on that much needed bye week.

Fact—-This fan thinks that they will prevail!

by stratoscaster on Dec 21, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Fact

chilly was stupid, and didn’t handle the situation right.

by vikefansd on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agreed.

Who pulls a QB with their team in the lead? Bizarre.

by Wytefang on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

chilly

i will cap his name when he deserve it.

by vikefansd on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Fact

Chilly has made this team better every year and IS a good coach. He just didn’t want to see Favre get killed and not be healthy for the playoffs.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Fact

You are following the company line just how they want you to!

by TrevorR on Dec 23, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

its always nice

whena player refers to his head coach as “Brad” I’m sure everyone is one a first name basis around there.

JT

by STLVikesFAN on Dec 22, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting, people need to see these

After watching the press conferences, I made up my own mind about the situation instead of relying on slanted media.

by corndog10565 on Dec 22, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah…things always change later after they have a chance to talk and get their stories straight. Interesting how after the game it was called a “heated discussion” by Favre and now its not.

by TrevorR on Dec 23, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Settle down

There are a lot of folks out there that need to relax a bit around this whole Favre Childress thing.
Ace 991. Nice observation. I don’t agree with your assessment, but it’s thought provoking. Favre audibles out of runs because he see’s the field and what the opposing defense is giving them. Everytime I hear Favre yell “Alert” I get on the edge of my seat in anticipation of something big about to happen. I said early on that it isn’t Favre that has to adjust to the vikings or their receiving core it’s that our receivers need to catch up to Favre. I’ve been watching the vikings for many, many years and have not seen a Viking qb read the field like Favre does since Jeff George. You have to catch the ball. The receivers weren’t doing that consistantly enough Sunday night. Not by a long shot.

Here’s the deal. There is a very small degree of seperation between very good football teams and very bad football teams. These guys that are playing at this level are the best of the best. The Cowboys proved that if you play nearly mistake free football that you have as good a chance of winning as anyone. And it took that kind of play to put away the Saints. And it took that kind of play for Carolina to put away the Vikings. They played a very solid football game. Steve Smith played his best game in two seasons. Stewert took full advantage of the emotional lift that the Panthers felt purly by virtue of hanging with the Vikings for three quarters.
The vikes played poorly. In a nut shell. Dropped passes and missed tackles equal blown opportunities. It totally changes the dynamic and approach on BOTH sides of the ball.
Without a doubt, Childress runs this team. Any other thought is simply ridiculous.

by employer on Dec 21, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

+1

It also looked like they had ref help a couple of times. It does not really matter, you have to make the plays and not depend upon the ref’s for help. Again its just one game and we need to really start getting up for the play offs. Getting prepared for teams attacking the flats. I do not believe our D would have folded in the last Q if the O had held onto the ball for more then a minute at a time. You can not expect a D to keep them in check for ever.

it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin

by montana vikes fan on Dec 21, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

i like the cut of this man's jib

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Dec 21, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

What's a jib?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 22, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Jib

I learned this one from Captin Jack Aubrey.

by Tuba on Dec 22, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

it's a sail.

I prefer the spinnaker myself – love seeing those sails come out.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

well done AVF

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

good analysis....

spot on….

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 AM CST up reply actions  

It was not the QB

T-Jack, Favre or Manning. It was the QB that had the issue yesterday. it was the fact that the Line would not block anyone in this game giving up 4 sacks in the game was the issue and giving the RBS enough room to have 2.9 yards per carry.

by GB Nordic on Dec 21, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

Favre, Chilly, OLINE

Vikings suck in the cold, on the road (they just happen to be on Sunday Night), and against a shitty team in this instance. 1/10 on 3rd downs (we’ve been kick ass all yr), no time to throw the ball, no running lanes, poor tackling late in the games (fatigue factors) and shitty play calling/game adjustment. Where were the screens to off set the pass rush? Where were the draw plays to take advantage of their penetrating defense? Where was the safety help!?
All those are greatly executed when they play at the Metrodome, for some reason they cant execute in away games as of late. Even the equipment manager should be scorned for not having the players test their cleats prior to the game and advising them to switch to longer cleat heads.

I definitely wanted to hit the panick button right after watching the last second run off the clock sunday night. I wanted to break something, shout at someone. Then I realized something. We are 11-3, NFC North Champions, and have a chance to correct these mistakes and gear up for the playoffs. I do want the #2 seed, i do want to win these last two games and gain some momentum. More is learned from losing than winning, get these terrible games outta the way so that we can come out stronger on the other end.

As for the Favre-gate/schism/heated discussions that happened as a result of Chilly wanting to pull Favre. My initial reaction was that Favre was holding on to the ball too long, getting pummeled mroe often than not. Since all this happened after our All-pro LT was benched, and After the Vikings caught whiff that we had won the division, IT WAS in the Vikings best interest to sit Favre out, knowing that we werent able to do anything after 3qtrs of play, close game or not. Tjack could have created a spark with his running ability and handed it off to AP just the same. I definitely want the Vikes to win every game, now they pretty much have to. We NEED the #2 seed. Skol Vikes!

Skol Vikings!!

by LAviking on Dec 21, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

+1 on #2 seed!

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 22, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

You guys are missing the point: VIKES ARE NOT RUNNING THE BALL AND ITS FAVRE'S FAULT

This Favre / Childress power play IS real; listen to the podcast with Chris Mortensen and the video with Dilfer – they have PLAYER sources:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4761127

The issue is not that some other QB gives the Vikings a better chance to win than Favre in terms of throwing the ball. It’s that Favre’s EGO is audibling to pass plays instead of establishing the Viking’s strength which is running the ball and controlling time of possession.

THE VIKINGS DID NOT RUN THE BALL ONCE ON THEIR FIRST TWO 2ND HALF POSSESSIONS. Please explain that to me; the Vikes were winning 7-6 and Adrian had some nice runs to get the TD. POUND THE ROCK. But no, Favre wants to throw the ball to get his glory, MVP, and show that he is not “fading” down the stretch.

This is what Childress is pissed about. His philosophy is to establish the run and play conservatively. Argue with it if you want, but that PHILOSOPHY is what forced teams to (a) respect the run, which opens up the pass and (b) keeps the D fresh. The Vikings are not built to be pass-happy. Childress knows you need to consistently run in order for the run game to succeed. 12 carries for AD? Pathetic.

HAVE YOU ALL FORGOTTEN WHO THE BEST PLAYER ON THIS TEAM IS? It’s #28, not #4.

Mark my words, if Favre wins this power play (which it looks like he is), the Vikings will be 1-and-done in the playoffs. I hate it, but it will come to pass.

by Ace991 on Dec 21, 2009 9:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

troll? your packers logo is a little off. you’ll get that fixed after favre retires again right?

by iseepurplepeople on Dec 22, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You are the man....

Troll – period…playing on the emotions follwing the bad game….

No rosy colored glasses on, can see clearly….

Those with the dark shades on need to take ’em off IMO….

Know you like those glasses though so enjoy them!

: )

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's see.....

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions  

cali viking

you r missing the point we r where we r because of favre and what he brings to the team he will fix it on monday him and A.P will have monster games and bost the con for the rest of the team and get the #2 seed then what moron ur not a real fan get a clue after we win the super bowl stay off the wagon

by cali viking on Dec 22, 2009 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

everyone keeps saying

the Adrian is due for a monster game but its still yet to happen. he only had 2 carries in the 2nd half! In a game the Vikings were winning up until the 4th quarter. I really hope the game plan against Chicago is a heavy dose of adrian

JT

by STLVikesFAN on Dec 22, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Also ...

Having a coach that tries to slow him down doesn’t help much either. Think he’s maybe over coached much?

Head over to http://purplejesus.wordpress.com for the best/worst written and poorly made Vikings jokes in the blogosphere!

by Purple Jesus Diaries on Dec 22, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Offensive line play and the coach's authority

First off, the offense line play has been horrible of late. Rather than dominate, or even most of the time win the battles, the linemen are getting beat in pass blocking and stood up in a rush blocking. Watch the next two games when we run the football. See where the offense of linemen end up after their first few steps. It is usually the line of scrimmage, give or take a yard, instead of 4 or 5 yards downfield. That cannot all be blamed on Sullivan either. the ability to rush block greatly affects Adrian Peterson’s or Chester Taylor’s yard per carry stat. Going over to football outsiders, about the only place I know that tracks offensive line stats, it shows ranked 24th in rushing

Ace991 has a very good observation, that was Brett Favre, and the Vikings have been audibling out of runs. Brad Childress has been open with his philosophy about wanting to run first and run often. He believes that is the way to win ballgames consistently and for a long time. But yet the Vikings seem to be throwing more and more. That is not such a big deal if your offense is geared around it, or if you do not have the running backs to sustain that type of power offense, but that is not the case here. Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor are two of the best backs in the league. When have the Vikings consistently had hundred plus yard rushers week to week? Are you going to tell me it is because Matt Birk is now in Baltimore or that Ryan Cook is a better rush blocker than Phil Loadholt? Everybody else on that line is the same. The difference is the person who elects to audible out of the run play.

As we have learned, Brad Childress has tried to remove Brett Favre from the game at least twice before the Carolina game, and obviously during the third quarter of the Carolina game caught by an NBC cameraman in all its glory, what do the other players think? Coach Childress has allowed a player to undermine his authority. How will the other players react? Will they take this as an example of a acceptable behavior in the future when they don’t get what they want? Will they just keep on playing and refused to be benched? I will argue that that is more damaging for the Vikings in the long term, much less in the short term. Doesn’t this bother anybody?

It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.

by Luft Krigare on Dec 21, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

All I know is

You guys won’t win with Favre. You threw a Hail Mary at the beginning of the year and you all thought it was great. Favre will LOSE it for you. Too Diva, too old, and I hope you guys get all the way to the SB before it implodes so that it really sucks for you. Sorry, I don’t hate the Vikes, but the Favre move was a bad one from day one, it will set the franchise back 5 years, and I hope it bites you in the ass so hard it leaves a scar for life. Other than that, Merry Christmas.

by horace clark on Dec 21, 2009 10:32 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah, totally

It definitely sets us back 5 years, because we’re playing a different QB for one of those years. He’s totally going to just derail everything by coming in and playing.

Only not. The only thing set back by the franchise upon bringing Favre in is seeing whether Jackson can be a starter. And honestly I’m glad he has this whole season to sit back and watch. We likely will be drafting a new QB for next year anyway. There really was nothing to lose by bringing Favre in. Thanks for sharing though.

by Frost on Dec 21, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

To me, this
The only thing set back by the franchise upon bringing Favre in is seeing whether Jackson can be a starter. And honestly I’m glad he has this whole season to sit back and watch. We likely will be drafting a new QB for next year anyway.

helps make a pretty good case for

it will set the franchise back 5 years
.

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Dec 22, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would it set us back? Horace

We all knew Favre was only going to be here for a year maybe 2. We have a pretty solid team & Chilly figured that we would better shot with Favre over Tjack. We are just fighting for our chance at the prize like 31 other teams. If Favre fades he fades. The Vikes put a competive team on the field year after year. We don’t get pick in the top 5 in the draft. The last time we picked in the top ten we took Adrian Petersen. I hope you get your wish & we do get to the Superbowl. You can’t win it if your not in it.

by iowaron on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

cali viking

u dont have a clue go back to cheese head land favre will prove u and espn wrong haters

by cali viking on Dec 22, 2009 3:40 AM CST up reply actions  

that's hilarious HORACE

Funny how a Jets fan finds his way here. Guess what team was better last year than this year? Yep the Jets. You guys really play like amatuers this year. Or maybe a JV NFL team. I think you catch my drift.

You’re simply just making a biased statement based on 2 games. The rest of it is pro bowl qb stats.

By the way nice game by Thomas Jones this weekend. loser….haha

by dsludo on Dec 22, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

+ 4

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Three straight games with QB rating in the 70s…all those games are in December. You sure there isn’t more to this Favre drop off at the end of the year?

by TrevorR on Dec 23, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing I am sure about...

I’m sure that I don’t care what a slackers fan thinks. You ready for your third beating?

by dsludo on Dec 26, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I dislike Favre more than any Viking fan I know...

and even I can admit that Favre is certainly not the first or last QB to disagree with being pulled. Especially when the reason isn’t based on play but for protection. No player worth a shit would want to take refuge on the bench. Especially during a winnable game (at that point). The line is just horrible right now. We need to find a way to hire Steve Loney back.

by Heech on Dec 21, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

bingo!

our focus should be on the OLINE and not our QB. THAT is where our problem is… Running OR Passing.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d like to hear R4F’s take on this. It should be amusing.

by RipHimToShreds on Dec 21, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

Take what defense gives U.......

We have been running and running and forcing the run…It’s simple..When the defense stacks box, throw the pass and not force the run..Play action on 1st or 2nd can open defense when they stack the run..Last nite was a case of Peppers being inside Favres jersey all nite and Chilly too stupid to put kleinsasser over there to help.. Give Favre time to pass ball and he will carve up an opponets defense…And to get facts straight.. I am not a Farve fan, did not want Favre coming here..no way, shape or form..But he has done alot better job that TJack would ever do…See couple times he pumped fake throwing slant on 1st opening, cause defense had jumped slant, then hit reciever in 2nd hole..Tjack would have thrown interceptions in those examples… Brett was 17-27 if I am not mistaken and that is with 4 or 5 dropped passes and with Peppers inside his jersey….. ESPN is going on and on and on about how Chilly was trying to protect Favre by taking him out..If our dumb coach wanted to protect him, he would have put Kleinsasser over there to help…Chilly is terrible and now He has a new contract for 4 yrs that we have to put up with his KAO… ..Gonzo, I controlled myself and did no cussing here…LOL

by WVVikings on Dec 21, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

Chilly has

Made the team better every year, will make theadjustments the o-line needs and the Vikes will be better. Chilly did at times put a TE over to help out McKinnie. It didn’t help as Mack got bullrushed and knocked back every time against Peppers. Peppers would just go right at him and win, didn’t matter who was beside them!

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 22, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots to work on....

Guess best to just wait and see how it all turns out….

Any other choice?

Still believin’ here…..

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 2:12 AM CST reply actions  

cali viking

true that we will over come big time believer here

by cali viking on Dec 22, 2009 3:43 AM CST up reply actions  

It would make me feel better

if Chili was trying to pull Favre to keep him from getting killed rather than for performance reason and Favre refusing. I could see a case where Chili says, "Brett I’m worried about the pounding you’ve been taking, come take a rest and let TJ take a beating for a while and Brett saying “I’m alright I’ve been doing this a long time and the Ibuprofen is kicking in don’t worry about me worry about designing plays and doing whatever it is you do.”

by KC612 on Dec 22, 2009 7:25 AM CST reply actions  

Wow congrats Gonzo, I’m sure you’ve seen a big jump in subscriptions here recently haha. The little trolls making there way over pretending to be vikings fans to create a sense of chaos.

Like that ACE991 guy. Says the same thing over and over and just joined. Probably a packers fan.

by dsludo on Dec 22, 2009 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

That's what happens

when their own team can’t take care of business. They have to make themselves feel better by crapping all over another teams success. It’s laughable that they want to come and tell you how bad your team is even though they have a better record, won the division, and will most likely sweep the division also, which has only been done a handful of times in 40 years btw.

by sx2700 on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Childress Wanting To Pull Farve.

Okay everyone lets take a step back I have been following the vikings for a long time as long as DirectTV has had the Sunday ticket I ahve viewed most every game Farve was getting hit the O line was struggling, Farve was not at his best, and his recievers complicated matters by no making plays. from Chilis perspective and with his his knowledge of hi team and players I am sure the decision to pull Farve was two fold. ! farve needs to be kept healthy for the playoffs and the next 2 games to maintain homefield and a bye. 2. with the pressure put on the O line by the Panther D and Peterson being held in check Tavais could have added a new demension to the game with his ability to move more freely out of the pocket and take off and run with it himself if being pressured with no recievers open down field. Chili is a wise man and I know that he thought I can protect my Playoff Quarterback and satnd a better chance to win the current game with TJ! End of story except for that he relented and and in the end allowed Farve to stay the game cotrary to what he believed to be the wright move. To this all I can say is that some times you dont say no no to a star player with farve’s credentials when you know he will carry into the playoffs and provide trhe best cahnce to move on in the playoffs once their. Allowing him to stay in the game over his own objections could not be a bigger sihn of respect for farve from Chili. CHili knows there are 2 more games left to clinch homefield with a bye. rest assured Viking nation it will be done!!

by JEFEDEJEFES on Dec 22, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions  

Favre's Team

What is happening in Minnesota is exactly what was my worse fear bringing in favre, the vkings have become a pass happy, finesse team. This team was much more physical last year. The line has become soft and lazy. Peterson doesn’t get enough touches to get in a rhythm. Mr. Bevell is the one to blame for this situation, not Childress. Chilly is the head coach and he should reign in some of the play calls. We NEED to switch back the focus of our offense to AP. We desperately need to get him gong for the playoffs. I watched the Titans-Dolphins game Sunday afternoon and Tennessee uses a stud running back like a stud runningback should be used. They continue to give the ball to Johnson until he breaks a few, and then they give him it some more. The one common denominator in all 3 vikes losses? Peterson under 20 carries in EVERY game. Bevell needs to get his head on straight and figure it out, or he should be gone along with his man crush Brett Favre next year.

by 7Twins7 on Dec 22, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Who set the tempo in the Carolina game?

The Carolina Defense did. They won the battle early and took away our running game.
Props to them. Now let’s go sweep the Bears.

GO VIKES!

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

LOOKS LIKE I WAS RIGHT - FAVRE IS KILLING THE VIKINGS IDENTITY

But all is not well between Brad and Brett, and the primary difference centers on the quarterback’s penchant to check out of runs and into passes.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14038891?source=rss

Man, you guys are so desperate to believe everything is all good, Favre will save the say, blah, blah. READ MY EARLIER POSTS WHEN I SAID THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. AND NOW TODAY IT IS CONFIRMED.

THE VIKINGS NO LONGER ESTABLISH THE RUN BECAUSE FAVRE CHECKS OUT OF RUNS!!!

ArizonaVikingsFan:
“Carolina Defense…won the battle early and took away our running game. Props to them.”
—→ Are you kidding me?!? NO FAVRE JUST STOPPED LETTING THE VIKINGS RUN!

Don’t believe me? This is the sequence of AD’s runs from 8 min in the 2nd quarter on:
(see http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291220029&period=2)

- A.Peterson left tackle 7 yards
- A.Peterson left end to CAR 18 for 10 yards
- A.Peterson up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN (sick run, if you watched the game)

THEN PETERSON DOES NOT GET ANOTHER CARRY UNTIL OUR THIRD OFFENSIVE SERIES OF THE 3RD QUARTER! Why? Because Favre checked out of runs on the first two 2nd half possessions (READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE). So tell me again how Carolina “took away our running game.”

Seriously guys, do you even watch the games?!? Can you not tell that Favre is audibling out of runs? Well now it has been confirmed by people who cover the team.

by Ace991 on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

ACE991 (troll)

Do me a favor and remember my username. The reason I ask is so that you make it a specific point never to reply to anything I say. Thanks.

Trolls that joined the site a couple days ago and just repeat themselves are worthless.

Superbowl bound baby!!! hahaha

by dsludo on Dec 22, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

and yet you keep repeating yourself with the troll business….

by iseepurplepeople on Dec 22, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Give me 1 reason why I shouldn’t. And give me 1 reason why he’s not a troll.

by dsludo on Dec 22, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

get a life....

If all people thought like this, there would be no Vikings….no need since there is no hope…..

Please……

All those that love to beat the drum of failure are doomed to fulfill their destiny/beat….

Yes things need to be fixed….but if I were to buy into that line of sh%t no need, we are hopeless?

Again…please (shaking head east west)!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats not what i said buddy...

I simply said that the Vikings shifting from a physical running team to a Brett Favre centered attack is what i feared. Please read the post before putting words in my mouth.

by 7Twins7 on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And yes the Offensive line is the main reason to blame for our struggles on O. By far the most overrated O Line in the NFL.

by 7Twins7 on Dec 22, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Favre is being benched,

by me in my fantasy league championship. I am going with Alex Smith-SF, who has a home matchup against Det., the worst pass D in the league. Not that this matters to this thread. But my league is half Packer backers and they are enjoying this Favre talk a little too much. :-) Brett is the Vikes best chance, so keep him sharp and healthy.

by Odin on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

LOOKS LIKE I WAS RIGHT - FAVRE IS KILLING THE VIKINGS IDENTITY

"But all is not well between Brad and Brett, and the primary difference centers on the quarterback’s penchant to check out of runs and into passes."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14038891?source=rss

Man, you guys are so desperate to believe everything is all good, Favre will save the say, blah, blah. READ MY EARLIER POSTS WHEN I SAID THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. AND NOW TODAY IT IS CONFIRMED.

THE VIKINGS NO LONGER ESTABLISH THE RUN BECAUSE FAVRE CHECKS OUT OF RUNS!!!

ArizonaVikingsFan:
"Carolina Defense…won the battle early and took away our running game. Props to them."
—→ Are you kidding me?!? NO FAVRE JUST STOPPED LETTING THE VIKINGS RUN!

Don’t believe me? This is the sequence of AD’s runs from 8 min in the 2nd quarter on:
(see http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291220029&period=2)

- A.Peterson left tackle 7 yards
- A.Peterson left end to CAR 18 for 10 yards
- A.Peterson up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN (sick run, if you watched the game)

THEN PETERSON DOES NOT GET ANOTHER CARRY UNTIL OUR THIRD OFFENSIVE SERIES OF THE 3RD QUARTER! Why? Because Favre checked out of runs on the first two 2nd half possessions (READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE). So tell me again how Carolina "took away our running game."

Seriously guys, do you even watch the games?!? Can you not tell that Favre is audibling out of runs? Well now it has been confirmed by people who cover the team.

by Ace991 on Dec 22, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, stop yelling. I agree!

The Land Baron is on shaky ground right now. He was having his best season ever when he was handing the ball of to PJ. Now? Not so much. That jerk needs to get back to knowing his place. I get the need to try to check out of runs into a pass play when Favre sees 18 in the box, but when you do it so often that it loses effectiveness then we are back where we started; no threat of a passing game.

Head over to http://purplejesus.wordpress.com for the best/worst written and poorly made Vikings jokes in the blogosphere!

by Purple Jesus Diaries on Dec 22, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Carolina was winning the battle at the line of scrimmage.

They took away our running game and they pressured our QB with a 3 man rush.
find my posts and read that I place blame at the feet of the OLine.
EVERYTHING starts at the line – lose that battle, lose the play, lose the game.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Did Anyone See this?

So if the coach was going to bench Favre, did anyone see Travis warming up? I mean, you don’ just pull a cold QB off the bench and put him in. He needs to warm up. Nobody has seen any video of any QB warm-ups. Wouldn’t that be normal?

by Dufus on Dec 22, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

you cna't blame everything on him

i am not defending the loss but i will our qb if he sees something at the line i think 16 years of exp. gives him the right to change it not for his ego like some of you think but to make a play.it’s on the o-line and coaching staff to stick with the run and our rb’s to be patient and let holes develope and then hit the crease.and all this talk is actually that talk nobody from the team cares as along as they know whats going on.

by clinton p on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

nfl.com posts article now on the other side of it.

and it is clearly that clearer heads do prevail once the dust settles. The whole ‘coming out of the shower’ comments are cleared up in the newest article as well. Childress had been out of the room when Favre addressed the media, when Childress was told of Favre’s comments, he was upset – spoke to Brett, the two made up. End of story.

by mackman on Dec 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

I think you are missing the real point

The point isn’t if #4 is calling too many audibles or not not handing off to AP enough. It isn’t the receivers dropping catches in critical situations. It isn’t even McKinnies lack of blocking skills. All of those things are part of the bigger problem of Chillis inability to make game time adjustments. During Mondays press conference he was asked why double teaming Peppers didn’t happen. He put his hand up in the air and said that one is on me, I never thought about it. To me this is unacceptable. The fact that he didn’t make the adjustment to add a TE to the left side, slide Hutch over,or even chip with a back shows me that if thing don’t go according to the original game plan then we stand a fair chance that one player will take over a game. Witch is what happened on Sunday. The worst thing that has happened since the Arizona game isn’t the two losses it is Chillis extension!

by SupaFan on Dec 23, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

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