Worst. 11-3 Team. Ever?
Before we get started, let's pause for a little perspective. I'll cover some positive facts first:
- The Vikings will host at least one playoff game for the second consecutive year as champions of the NFC North.
- The Vikings can sweep the division with a victory on Monday night.
- The Vikings already have 11 wins, ensuring them their best record since the 2000 season. Another win in the next two games makes it the best record since the memorable 1998 campaign over a decade ago.
- The Vikings do not have Jay Cutler as their "quarterback of the future". Which is nice.
But of course, it isn't all warm fuzzies in Vikingland. Not after the Purple shoved an entire coal mine into our Christmas stockings against Carolina on Sunday night. Gonzo, Anthony, and all sorts of commenters in the Fan Post section have done a great job covering "hey wha happen?", but I would still like to throw in my two cents about what I saw on Sunday night.
First and foremost, the offensive line play was atrocious. Like "Oh my gosh who gave Allen Barbre and Orlando Pace Vikings jerseys?" atrocious. There were rarely any holes for the running game; what Adrian Peterson had to do to score our only points of the game is probably considered assault in most states. Mt. McKinnie was more like Volcano McKinnie--he caved in and left a trail of destruction everywhere within a 20-mile radius. Brittany Murphy could have done a better job blocking Julius Peppers on Sunday. (What? Too soon?) I think it was smart for Childress to bench him.
But that's about the only smart thing the coaching staff did all night. Peppers was devouring one-on-one blocking like Mark Mangino eating...well, anything. Did the coaching staff try to double team him with Jim Kleinsasser, the best blocking TE in the league? I didn't see it. Did they run to the left side to make Peppers think twice before repeatedly barreling into Favre all night? Hardly.
The Panthers coaching staff certainly made adjustments. They employed what I like to call the "Monty Python Brave Sir Robin" offense with Matt Moore and Steve Smith. They simply ran away from Jared Allen with bootlegs. To combat any double teaming of Smith, they had him run a ton of crossing routes to the same side of the field that Moore was rolling to. Throw in some shoddy tackling by a defense that was gassed in the fourth quarter thanks to all the three-and-outs by their counterparts, and you get a 26-7 defeat to an inferior team.
Two final notes about the game:
- That field in Carolina sucked. There were times where it looked like "NFL on Ice" thanks to the terrible footing. I'm not saying it cost us the game because both teams have to play on the same field. But it can serve as a convenient equalizer for lesser teams. This just solidifies the fact that we really want to play all our playoff games indoors. Just ask these 49er fans if they enjoyed their recent trip to Philadelphia:
- Dear Benny Sapp: never, ever, ever talk junk to Steve Smith. EVER. He feeds on it. If you disagree, watch his post-game interview with Andrea Kremer's nose below. Running your mouth to Steve Smith is like urinating on a Wolverine and then sticking around to see what happens. It just isn't a good idea.
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Hey, Jay Cutler has 25 excuses
for his 25 picks!!
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by Ted Glover on Dec 22, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully to be another 5 excuses added to that
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 22, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
lmao those were FUNNY! Espicially the Greg Olsen one. lmao haha
"A bad day over here is better than a good day over there"~ Jared "The Mullet" Allen
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 22, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
You'll be happy
I decided to go with it and force trade for Harvin! Hope he does me good!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 22, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
:) :) :) :) BEAST MODE!!!
"A bad day over here is better than a good day over there"~ Jared "The Mullet" Allen
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Great Post
But I cant get past how rude, disrespectful, and lowlife those fans were in Philly. That was really horrible to watch.
You have a right to pick the team that you root for and i understand with that comes “smack talk” which is all fun and good but to throw hundreds upon hundreds of snowballs at opposing fans is really just childish. I’ve always given Philly fans the benifit of the doubt but now I think that a lot of them are just immature.
"A bad day over here is better than a good day over there"~ Jared "The Mullet" Allen
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 22, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions
Actually
I’ve never given them the benefit of the doubt. They did that crap some years back and someone got nailed with a rock in a snowball. Also, they were doing the same thing in New York too during the Jets game. Neither set’s of fans I’ve ever been impressed with.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 22, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t ever feel obligated to do that. I was at Veteran Stadium for the Vikings/Eagles game in 2001; we got shelacked (48-17!), and I took it from both sides the entire game…but not in a friendly/clever “banter” kinda way but in a “fcuk you, a$$hole” kinda way that carried a dangerous edge. Anyone remember the story involving Daunte’s wife in 2004?
Philly fans always live up to their reputation.
I’ve been at the Dome for each Eagles game the past two years. With every other team, the vast majority of fans just get involved in some good-natured ribbing and trash talk. But Eagles fans just swear at you, throw stuff, and pick fights.
I know not every Eagles fan is terrible, but way too many of them are to ignore it.
by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 22, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Eagles fans run McNabb outta town so the Vikes can have him next year.
I can wish can’t I?
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Im in on it
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 22, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
and Andy Reid
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 23, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Dude
I could have told you that ages ago. Watching games at sports pubs down here in Disney World I have watched the Vikes at a lot of places. Hands down, Philly fans are the rudest, most obnoxiosly stupid fans I have encountered.
Our Steeler fan club here comfirmed my feelings. Steeler fans are loud, fun and have a good time with other team fans. One of those guys heard my comments on Philly. He said “We don’t even like to consider them part of PA. They live near NY and are just as rude”. Most Penn. folks are about as blue coller and hard working and friendly as Minnesotans.
Not Philly fans. I don’t want to sit anywhere near them at a sport establishment much less a stadium/
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 22, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sitting next to fans of that caliber (I did at Lambeau once) makes you want to sink to their caliber and meet them in the parking lot after the game, if ya know what I mean. Normally I’m above retaliation and violence of that sort but some people just deserve an asswhooping. Apparently they never recieved enough growing up to put them in their place.
New York vs Philadelphia fans
On the Daily Show
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 22, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Chilly talks to Mariska Hargatay
about ‘the Brett Situation’.
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/12/this-woman-would-like-to-report-some-abuse.html
I love KSK
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Hey
We got our arses handed to us, plain and simple.
Yep, our O-line looked like dog meat and need’s work. I would suggest adding 2 TE’s into the mix to give A.P. a few more hole’s to work with and give more protection with Peppers type players. We do need to start calling a few more running plays. McKinnie caused a few penalties that hurt us on top of his absolute joke of playing, but the rest of the line missed many blocks and there seemed to be little attempt to contain Peppers (Hence my thought of 2 TE set).
If Favre is over-riding play calling, he needs to be reminded that he is the QB, not the coach. I also understand that an audible will be pulled once in awhile, Manning does it too, but not as frequent as you would think. In the same regards, Chilly should have let his sack’s drop and benched him not in the 3rd when we were still leading, but by the mid 4th not only to keep him out of harms way, but perhaps a different approach. Trying to bench him that early in that close of the game was not smart.
I’m not sure if it was due to the cold, so I will blame it on that, but our WR’s took a step backwards of last year proportions and dropped to many very catchable balls. Not sure if they were spooked or what, but totally inexcusable. And Rice, if you know your getting hit, cover the dang ball with both arms. That fumble cost us alot of steam and should have been easily held on to.
Play calling again was below par. After A.P. scored, we should have stuck to more running and on the left side as it seemed not a dang thing was going to happen on the right.
While the Defense did blow coverage, it could have been tons worse then it was in the first 3 quarters. The line held as much as they could, but you can only do so much as the D was tired and shot by the 4th and thats when all hell broke loose.
This one lay’s solely on the Offense, Favre trying to be Mr. America, Chilly trying to pull Favre out in the 3rd with a lead and bad play selection at times. Get this fixed now boys because in two games, no more room for errors.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
If Favre is over-riding play calling, he needs to be reminded that he is the QB, not the coach.
I can’t stand how much leeway the media is giving Favre on this topic. They’re blaming Chilly for it as if it were his fault. Favre is the one acting like a child and a bad teammate. What exactly is Chilly supposed to do? Literally yank him to the bench.
That being said, there was no reason to bench Favre at that point of the game. Bad call on Chilly’s part there.
And Rice, if you know your getting hit, cover the dang ball with both arms.
He got absolutely cold clocked on that play. I don’t think there was much he could have done. That was probably more on Favre for laying him out there like that, but I don’t think I’d blame him much either. It was just one of those plays.
Re watch it then
As you said to me Sunday Night, I dare you to tell me that couldnt have been saved? And from the video, don’t see no super head crack hit and since he was running, wasn’t left out to dry by Favre. That was Rice’s fault the whole way.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Why can’t we have a simple friendly conversation without someone trying to make it a competition. Taking that approach will ruin the entire discussion because most opinions can’t be validated by a single individual or comment. And I would venture to say that most things posted on this site fall into the catagory of opinion.
if that is the play i think it was
the fumble was caused by the defender putting his helmet on the ball. that will cause a fumble every time.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Dec 23, 2009 6:58 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve also seen guys holding onto the ball with both arms and getting hit b the football and still holding on. Classic should have been protecting it at that point.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 23, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
That was my point. I know he didn’t have two hands on it so its hard to tell for sure. But that hit was pretty much straight on the ball. And its hard to maintain field awareness when the defender hits you only 2 steps from the catch. They drill WRs all the time to focus on the catch and then focus on the run. Thats what he did and it cost him.
It never seemed he
had that pass completely under control and he got hit before he fully secured it.
Great Post - Great Points!
I would add that it seems to me that the entire team has drifted away from a primarily run-oriented team to one more and more reliant on Favre. We’ve seen it in both recent losses. When the pressure of carrying the team rests with BF, we’re in trouble. When AD is carrying the load, we’re much better overall. So how do we make that happen, aside from the obvious O-line manning up and owning the line? How ‘bout playing with a little more intensity and passion. How ’bout going to a no-huddle every now and then? How ’bout slants and bootlegs away from the pressure? As you said, how ’bout Jimmy K moving in on the strong side for either run blocking or pass blocking? I’m sure our coaching staff are seriously looking at getting back to basics for next Monday’s matchup. If these guys can’t get pumped up about playing in Chi-town on MNF, then we’re really in trouble. But I’m confident we’ll get back on the winning side and carry that momentum back to the dome for the last game vs the Giants.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Theodore Roosevelt
Bring on the chill
I’m actually hoping for cold weather in this game if not purely for the fact that it might force us to run more. You don’t want to risk Favre throwing into a cold wind and Chilly knows it (or at least he should). What will really concern me this Monday is if Favre keeps audibling out of the run to the pass as he has all season.
That was an awesome post. Thanks Eric
The Vikings can sweep the division with a victory on Monday night.
Worst division ever.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
4 SB teams in the past 10 years or less
The NFC North has had 1. The North also has had the only 0-16 team ever. If the NFC West is worse than the NFC North right now, it’s not by much.
Yeah this year the West is still worst.
Who’s the worst division in the AFC? I looked at the records and its a toss up.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Worst divisions
There are only a few divisions in which only 2 teams have a chance to finish .500+:
The AFC West
The NFC West
The NFC North
Wow.....Eric
Always check the coins you pull out of your pocket.
That was way more than 2 cents worth!….LOL
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
Everyone
I talk to down here asks me what you stated. Is it that difficult to stack your line to the side most dangerous to your pass protection.
Our coach stated “We were not prepeared for such a scenario.”
Are you kidding me?! You are a pro coach and can’t shigt your formation right to left. Double the DE with the TE and have him break to the outside on a 3 count as an out let pass.
Unbelieveable! If Bevell can’t do that ,pay me a half million. I can. There would also have been a toungue lashing at half time so loud Brett and Cholly wouldn’t be able to hear themselves argue. Don’t your just wish you had that magic lamp? Cause my wish would have put me in that locker room with a captive audiance. Put Jimmy K where he was needed and bench every lineman who played like a froozen snowman. Also watch some of the game if you can. The WR don’t put out when the ball isn’t designed for them. If it is a run, they run a soft pattern or lazy block. All 3 need to be running routes as if the ball is going to them. Good heavens. Did anyone see how slow these guys looked-unless the pass was to them. Fortunately for Carolina, they could read it and stick to the primary guy while the other sluffed on their routes.
Where is the coaching? That was route running 101 when I coached JV
I suppose you could have also been a better CEO of the auto industry, President of the US, and judge in the OJ case. Failure doesn’t always mean ignorance or incompetence.
I'm talking
no brainers here. Hot leading the team as a pro coach. I don’t like suits so a CEO is out of the pisture :)
My point was. What “scheme” do you need to shift your strong side from tight to left.
Sure. I could have done that. Anyone here could have and many brought it up.
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 24, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
sorry on spelling
rushing out for Christmas festivities.
It was – not leading and picture
Have a Merry Christmas all
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 24, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
These all seem like logical and easy decisions. Yet the man who has trained for this type of thing for his entire life and makes millions of dollars to assure its done right doesn’t see it the same way we do. He may very well have made a mistake. He is human. But I still don’t think we as average joe fans can truely criticize a seemingly obvious error without knowing what he knows and seeing what he saw. If hindsite is always 20/20, hindsite from the comfort of your living room while rewinding the play on Tivo must be like xray vision. Its an entirely different perspective when your down there with the bullets flying.
Bears a bigger banana skin
a long time reader and vikes fan and first time poster.
What concerns me is that we are maybe taking the Bears a bit too lightly and the win for granted. If we lose to the Bears or don’t perform well then we are in serious trouble.
The media has obviously been waiting for an incident like last weeks all season. We all know the media has their favourites who can do no wrong, and those who can do no right. ie Mike Silver and his mancrush on Kurt Warner…
The thing that scares me about Favre is that he is doing all the things we used to accuse him of doing when he played for the Pack – ie playing for himself.
It does seem that when the Vikes are in trouble or losing he feels that he has to do it all himself and we get out of running the ball. He seems to forget that he has one of the best RB’s in Peterson (as opposed to some of the rubbish he had up in Green Bay). In the games we have lost he’s thrown 51, 45, and 27 times, been sacked 11 times, while AD has carried 18, 13 and 12 times in those games.
The Vikes need to sort in out these next two weeks – need to get the run going and stick with it, and not let Favre get killed. Although I am not sure if Childress is the man to take control of the team.
First of all, the media doesn’t affect how we play in the playoffs.
Second of all, you’re acting like Favre is the one calling all the plays. I hope you’re aware that the qb doesn’t typically choose the plays.
Well they do actually. This week instead of preparing for the Bears and the playoffs we are dealing with ‘the schism’. It might be media driven heat-noise-light but it is still a distraction and it does affect how we play.
Secondly, the move away from the run to the pass suggests that Favre IS doing a lot more play calling at the line than we suspect.
Thirdly – please stop being so patronising and get over yourself.
How do you avoid a dominant pass rusher?
Chipping with a TE…and who better than our North Dakota man Jimmy K?
Screens…suck that end in, make him think he has a sack, and drop the ball right over his head.. Ohhhh but wait. Here’s an idea… WR screen to Percy. I know it sounds crazy, getting the ball in #12’s hands with some space, but he made a living in fla off screens, reverses, wild cat etc. we need to get the ball in his hands
Draws…Same concept as a screen just a hand off instead of a quick pass. Suck the defense in, and hand it off the AD, hopefully with some space to run, since the o-line doesn’t (hopefully didn’t) know how to make their first step after the snap and a forward motion
I know Im just your average Joe Fan here, but all that seems pretty elementary to me when it comes to football from the pop warner level all the way up to the NFL. And everyone (just about) seems to be making a lot of sense in their ideas on how the Vikings SHOULD have handled the Peppers situation. I hope Bevell checks this page regularly and takes notes while he’s at it.
Hummm?
I got accused of thinking I was a CEO and other stuff for stating this obvious point that dozens here have.
My question was simply- Why didn’t they figure this out and claim they were unprepared? It isn’t that hard. Middle school coaches know how to shift
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 24, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly my favorite quote, ever.
“Running your mouth to Steve Smith is like urinating on a Wolverine and then sticking around to see what happens. It just isn’t a good idea.”
This is just totally awesome writing, Ericj69. You rock. Thank you for making me really laugh out loud.
by Wytefang on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
kinda makes me want to piss on a wolverine. just to see what happens.
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 23, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ohio State has pissed on Wolverines
for pretty much the whole decade, and all that happens is Ohio State gets an empty bladder.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
OSU beats Oregon by three scores
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Dissension in Minny
With Favre at QB. Now who woulda thought THAT could happen? Duh! Question, when your team flames out in the playoffs, Who is your QB next year? You gonna ride with the Diva for another year?
I repeat – Favre will set your franchise back 5 years. Yes, it gave you a shot at the trophy. Just like me buying that Lotto ticket today gave me a shot at being phenomenally wealthy. I think I’ll go to work tomorrow anyway. The Vikes should think about their qb situation for next year – and not waste another year.
And if you guys win it all I’ll be right here to take any abuse you want to throw my way.
Calm Down Folks
If offered an 11-3 record before the season, every Vikings fan would have grabbed it.
We’ll probably get a first round bye and the first playoff game at home. After that, it’s one game to the Super Bowl. It’s the best shot we’ve had in what seems like ages.
Favre and AP will be fine. The OL better be fine.
Don’t worry. You heard it here.
Not me
If you accurately offered me a 11-3 team spiraling in the wrong direction with a deteriorating play from the QB, Oline, Dline, running game and secondary I, sir, would not have grabbed that offer. In fact, I’d trade 1-3 wins for fixed play from the above squads. Momentum is everything in the playoffs (Cardinals were a fluke, it never happens like that).
The Glass is Half Full
I reread my last post and was shocked to find no mention of spiraling in the wrong direction, just an offer of an 11-3 record at the beginning of the season.
Momentum is easily, very easily altered on a good playing field at home, with revised strategies. This is still a team of outstanding talent, one of the best. Momentum is vastly overrated. Talent usually wins, and teams adapt.
Never trade wins for home field advantage. That’s huge.
by NorseOfCourse on Dec 22, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yep teams adapt....and good teams bounce back.....
well said….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
This is still a team of outstanding talent, one of the best.
I 100% wholeheartedly agree with you. Its hard to deny that this team is loaded with talent.
Momentum is vastly overrated. Talent usually wins, and teams adapt.
I 100% wholeheartedly disagree with you. If talent usually wins, what the hell happened on Sunday night? If you have an answer for us, in the spirit of Christmas can I please ask you to share it. Talent is very often beaten by momentum. Look at the Steelers this year. 7-7 coming off a Super Bowl win? And they aren’t the only example by far.
YOu are right on…momentum does factor into it…its not the only factor but lately we’ve seen a LOT of 5 and 6 seeds going to the super bowl…talent clearly doesn’t always win.
it's called luck
all has to go in your favor
Not momentum
I don’t believe in momentum, but I do believe that the team is struggling for reasons which don’t have a quick fix: Steve Hutchinson’s back, Jon Sullivan’s inexperience, McKinnie’s slowness being magnified vs. Julius Peppers, something wrong with AP’s running (hopefully not a hidden injury), poor play from the secondary with and without Winfield, not enough pressure from the D-line…and I don’t have confidence in the coaches to fix these issues. So I see this as several tangible reasons holding the team back rather than some invisible imaginary force of momentum.
All very good points
+100.
But there was a time not to long ago this year when McKinnie, Hutch, Winfield, AP, Dline, ect were actually playing good. Unless there are some hidden injuries (which Hutch might fall into), the only reason for the decreased play is possession by the Momentum Demon.
Thats the worst part about running (or pretending to run, as us fans like to do) a pro team in any sport. Sometimes you can’t quit pin down whether the player legitimately sucks or is just in a short term slump. For example, as poorly as McKinnie has played this year, would you honestly invest a 1st round pick in a LT next year? I don’t know the right answer, but its a question that needs to be asked.
What I wouldn't give for...
…our team to get slipped into a secret time portal, giving them all 1 full month of rest and recovery (along with practices together of course) and then have them pop back out, ready and refreshed. How awesome would that be? They’d be back to their old “destroy other teams and don’t look back” ways. Sigh.
1st Round of 2010
Yes, I would probably be OK with drafting a left tackle who could also play RT, depending on how many years are left on McKinnie’s contract (2 or less). I think his struggles are directly tied to Hutch’s back and some guy named Julius Peppers, but if the best player available is a LT who can back up both positions and/or LG as well, then I think the Vikings would have to take that guy.
QB is a position of need, but I’m not sold on some of the big names like McCoy or Tebow (I think I’d prefer Sam Bradford, but maybe not).
I think this team really needs a shutdown corner who will move Cedric Griffin to FS and send Madieu packing.
The Williamses’ replacements deserve some thought, too.
Hopefully, at least one of these could be addressed via FA instead.
draft
We could use so many different things (what team doesn’t) that I think you need to consider positions like McKinnie’s to be solid. The players manning the positions of OT, LB, RB, WR, TE, OG, ect will just have to hold in there while we spend resources replacing and upgrading positions of need like QB, CB, S, C, DT, ect.
Smith is a straight up thug...and not in a good way.
And Sapp has a big mouth and needs to play better before he can talk…period.
Peterson not getting enough chances
He got 12 total carries the whole game; not nearly enough.
And explain this. This is the sequence of AD’s runs from 8 min in the 2nd quarter on:
(see http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291220029&period=2)
- A.Peterson left tackle 7 yards
- A.Peterson left end for 10 yards
- A.Peterson up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN (sick run, if you watched the game)
THEN PETERSON DOES NOT GET ANOTHER CARRY UNTIL OUR THIRD OFFENSIVE SERIES OF THE 3RD QUARTER! Why?
They had finally gotten the run game going on their only successful drive, then Favre checks out of runs and AD doesn’t get another carry until 3 possessions later.
This is a huge problem. Why did we only run the ball 14 times total in a game that was a 1-point game until the 4th quarter? How to Peterson get 1760 yards last year with basically the same line (-Birk +Sullivan, -Cook +Loadholt is about the same)?
Because you need to run the ball consistently to have success. You need to wear down the D. Remember the first game of the season? AD’s massive awesome run came on his last carry. Now he’s not even getting that chance.
This is a respectful request...
please stop spamming your posts.
spamming = copy/pasting the same information in multiple posts.
Once is enough. Please?
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste
Once IS enough, + lots!
I read your point the first time, saw on a couple of other posts I believe and yet again here….now just wasting my time scrolling through this same ’ole same ’ole…….
Thanks for sparing us…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is for Ace 991 by the way.....
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
It's All About Setting a tone
We need to give Peterson at least 15 carries in the first half from here on out. Everybody knows he gets better the more chances he gets. He’s never been a guy who’s gonna get 4 yds everytime he carries the ball, the D respects him way too much too allow that to happen. Yes he’ll get stuffed a few times (when theres 8 in the box its gnna hapen) but you also know he’s going to break one for about 20 every 5 or 6 carries if given the right amount of oppurtunity. We NEED to start acting like we have the best runningback in the league. Right now we’re acting like our running game is a weakness. As long as our line continues to play like s**t it might be our weakness. But AP can make a very average line look good on any given play. FEED HIM THE ROCK
Back to basics yes.....
Good O line run/pass blocking, execution, and following through to the end of the play (no quitting)….From there establish the run game as main thrust, keeping them honest through some passes to Harvin, Rice, and Berrian…..Keep their D on the field, manage the clock, get to the Red Zone, score when you are there….Sounds simple, let’s hope they can remember above on Monday…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 22, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...so calm down
And btw “vikingfanfrom afar” that was the point of my post too (getting back to the run game), so calm down (along with AZ Viking Fan) about my pasting the same point; it’s a good one as 7Twins7 points out just with different words. If you like the idea, who cares if I paste it or re-phrase it for you?
Jeez, you two make it sound like I am causing you grievous harm by re-posting something. You don’t own this site and your contribution to the site is no better than mine.
Your opinion is good.
EVEN if I don’t agree with it (there, some validation for you)
Posting it multiple times does not make it better… it just clogs up the thread (imho).
I expect that you can continue to expand as the discussion evolves and add additional thought/discussion.
reposting is like starting the conversation over… ‘ummm… you already said that’.
No anger here, you just joined… trying to get you audible’d into the game.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 23, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
Personally...
I can see a reason for “spamming”. The more places a comment is posted, the more readers can potentially comment back. He’s attempting to reach a larger audience. Nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t hurt me any.
also it looks like most people are missing it because they keep blaming everything but the problem
by iseepurplepeople on Dec 23, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
The 11-2 part of 11-3 may not matter
What worries me and others is that the healthy good team that beat a bunch of awful teams may be a thing of the past, and that we may be stuck with the far worse team that lost to CAR on Sunday night. If the present and immediate future Vikings are still incapable of protecting Favre, handing off to AP for 4.0+ yards per carry, adjusting to defenses and keeping teams equally good or better from scoring, then it’s going to be a disappointing end of the season and an ugly playoff loss.
I hope I’m wrong, of course, but 2 of the last 3 games were against teams that made the playoffs a year ago. It would have been nice to have beaten at least one of them and have more confidence going into the postseason.
Childress needs a fist to the forehead.
He should wear a cap as well.
by Liam Gallagher on Dec 23, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions
Mckinnie
As a Packer fan dont drag Mt Mckinnie into the trash heap of Allen Babre. Babre gets beat by Detroit lions. There is a reason Peppers gets 1 million dollars per game.
by Sterling Sharpe on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, that was a little harsh
But I’m still pretty upset with how poorly McKinnie played.
by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 23, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Packer's Oline trouble
I thought the Packers fixed their wretched oline difficulties. Or at least thats what the guys at ESPN are saying.
What will they do
when Clay Matthews finally gets busted for steriods? only a matter of time.
A big part of it
Is that Aaron Rodgers can scramble away from it most of the time, and he’s finally getting rid of the ball instead of taking so many sacks. The line play has improved, but not much.
by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 23, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
They’ve gameplanned to help combat the line…but its still not a good line. Its a combo platter of different route running, Rodgers throwing it more quickly, and the line improving somewhat. It seems to have worked though…they have looked much better lately. Barbre is still a tool though…most of us can’t stand him.
yep...i bit too early on the britany reference..
…other than that..nice post…but i say , we reserve mondays and tuesdays for rehashing..wednesdays on just look ahead to next game… this 2nd outdoor , bad weather game in a row i believe will be the true tipping point.. if we fall on our face again, we just a turf team.. if we can regroup, and(hopefully) win convincingly..looking much better for playoff run
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
That's why I had to vent on Tuesday afternoon
Time to look forward to the Bears now!
by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 23, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Brave Sir Robin Offense, truly a fantastic label for what they did.
That line made me giggle like a little girl.

He bravely ran away…
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
It is pretty great
that Cutler is not our QB of the future, but it sucks that we don’t really have one.
Worst. 11-3 Team. Ever?
Not even the worst 11-3 Vikings team. That would be the 2000 Vikings.
I see Philly is still a hole
and it’s fans are not much better. I traveled to Philly quite a bit and the town is a joke. This was a perfect display of the maturity level of the people of Philly.

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