Favre's Comeback Falls Short in Chicago
by Anthony21 on Dec 29, 2009 12:39 AM CST
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PrintAt first, it was a red alert, everyone-abandon-ship kind of night. The Vikings had turned in two clunkers against Arizona and Carolina, but make no mistake about it: They appeared to be heading for their worst game yet. The Vikings were shut out in the first half, as Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson's protection was nonexistent and any attempts to establish the run were laughable. Meanwhile, Jay Cutler was playing excellent football.
But then something happened. After a horrendous showing in the first two quarters that left the Vikings behind 16-0, the offense suddenly opened up. Brett was running the show. He had more options than he did in the first half. Adrian was running the football like a man with something to prove -- and although he failed to break any big runs, he was running angry in the second half and was quite effective. A team that appeared dead was taking the game to overtime, and there was new life breathed into the offense.
Unfortunately, while the Favre-led charge was enough to tie the game, it wasn't enough to steal the win. And when handing out the blame, the special teams belong at the top of the list. Danieal Manning was running wild on kickoffs, with one of his returns being particularly costly for the Vikings. An Adrian Peterson touchdown knotted the game at 23-23, but on the ensuing kickoff, Manning returned it for 59 yards and set up a Cutler touchdown toss two plays later. And that brings up another key problem: The pass defense.
For much of the game, Cutler had his way with the Vikings defense. On one hand, the pass rush didn't get much traction until later in the game -- Jared Allen might as well have been on the inactive list. But the issues in the secondary are also starting to get more attention, particularly the lackluster play from the safeties and continuing problems with missed tackles. The tackling was particularly awful in the first half, with Cutler breaking out of a Madieu Williams tackle on one play and Matt Forte breaking out of numerous tackles on another. And then there's Antoine Winfield, who absolutely got torched on the final play of overtime by Devin Aromashodu.
Aside from the defensive mishaps and shoddy kickoff coverage, quite a bit of attention will clearly center on Adrian Peterson's fumble in overtime. There were bigger reasons that the Vikings lost this game, but that fumble put the Bears in position to win the game. Take away the fumble and the result certainly could have flipped.
But because of the slow start, because of Cutler's big game, and because of the poor performance by the Vikings special teams, this team has now lost three of its last four. The Vikings lost out on their chance to capture the top seed in the NFC, and they no longer control their own destiny in the race for a first round bye in the playoffs. Quite a fall for this team -- but the second half of this game shows that there are still reasons for optimism.
When Brett Favre is given options, when he is given control, and when he can spread things out, this offense remains dangerous. When the Vikings can generate a pass rush and when they can actually tackle, they are a serviceable defensive unit. For a team that was collapsing in the first half, they came alive in the second.
There were a few telling moments. Favre waving off the goal line unit when the Vikings advanced inside the five yardline, and getting visibly frustrated when Chilly sent them in anyway. On the next play, Chester Taylor was stuffed at the line. Later in the game, the Vikings once again advanced near the goal line and Favre once again waved off the goal line unit. This time, Chilly let Favre do things his own way. Adrian scored on the next play.
The lesson? Brett Favre is his own man. Let him be his own man. Give him options and flexibility.
This is hardly the ideal way to be entering the playoffs, as the Vikings have clearly been on the decline throughout the past four weeks. Here's hoping their comeback on a cold night in Chicago, although ultimately unsuccessful, provides some momentum and some important lessons. With the potential loss of a first round bye on the horizon, there's no time to waste in figuring this thing out and turning the page on a tough month of December.
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Goal Line Unit
They need to run the hurry up spread offense at the goal ine more often. The defense doesn’t have time to substitute and has to cover all the receivers, making it easier for AP to waltz in to the end zone because its less crowded. Favre was right.
Playing in the 1st round
May not be terrible for this team. They seem to get complacent when they have to wait to play and when the pressure isn’t on…they don’t have a ton of injuries to overcome and they’ve proven they can play in the cold…#2 or lower…this team can still win.
I still believe!
This is what happens when you pin your hopes on Brett Favre.
I really don’t have a dog in this hunt,but I really have to say that Brett Favre is in the midst of his usual “me-first” end-of-the season BS.the man is cancer,andmaybe when he’s thrown 4 picks in the Vikings’ one and done playoff run,the Kool Aid drinkers will finally figure that out.
I mean,my team,the Chiefs,just suck ,and will do so for years,but the Vikings are a helluva team,having to rely on a buffoon out to visit some kind of revenge on a team on enemies of his own making,who could care less what happens to them.He’s just looking to make the playoffs,so he can say he still has it,and will probably retire five different times in February.
feel free to check how Favre played tonight
he’s not the problem. If you think he is you don’t know anything about football
Yeah, this is what happens..........
We lock up the division early,
He throws 29 TDs against 7 INTs,
He makes spectacular plays at the end of games,
And he’s one of the top MVP candidates.
He certainly is a cancer alright.
Idiot.
by NorseOfCourse on Dec 29, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
Holy crap, watch the games!
I have all the faith in the world in Favre. And absolutely no faith in Childress.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Dec 29, 2009 4:51 AM CST up reply actions
I think you have to think about this
a little harder. Lode’s point isn’t that Favre isn’t playing well, but that with Favre you lose some of the overall ‘team’ feeling, and you gain a lot of media controversies and, frankly, you lose in December. Those are real things. Yes, Favre had a great second half, but, at least to me, that wasn’t what Lode was getting at.
1-3 in December is meaningful, and I think Favre shares some of the blame, though most of it lands on offensive line, and the defense.
Lose some of the team feeling?
Ok, you might want to think a little harder yourself, please tell me how a guy who magically makes the team lose it’s “Team feeling” can guide a team back from a massive deficit and rallies to tie the game at the very end. +
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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Because this season has been all about favre
We are not the Minnesota Vikings this year. We are the Minnesota Favres.
Everybody assumes that once the players saw how good favre still is, that everything is OK. But I think that what happened was that the players jumped on the favre bandwagon, but still lost some respect and revere for Childress. Chilly jerked them around all offseason, then signed him anyway. Favre won the players over, and chilly actually lost them.
In the long run, the coach has to be in charge, and he is not. Maybe it is Childress’s fault for bringing Brent in, but Favre sucks all that up, because he is me-first. He has been for years, and I’ll say it again: Favre likes to audible to passes when Childress is trying to run the clock out. ME ME ME.
And, once more for the record: Favre had a great game last night! I KNOWWWW. spare me.
Coach vs player
In the end, it doesn’t really matter who the players respect. Favre and Childress could literally get into a fist fight in the locker room and it probably wouldnt change the outcome of games. Was it a matter of authority conflict that nailed Winfields feet to the turf? Was it a matter of authority conflict that put our OTs on ice skates? Was it a matter of authority conflict that buttered APs ball?
What the hell are you complaining about?
You got what you wanted. The 1st half was your dream scenario. Give the ball to AD!!! It doesn’t matter if they put 11 in the box just give it to AD, he’ll make it happen.
And it failed miserably.
Hello dsludo. Remember me?
Yesterday, on the Saints website, I wrote that I was more concerned about the Eagles, Cowboys or Packers than the Vikings. The reason being that, like the Saints, I didn’t feel the Vikings were playing their best as the end of the season neared. Even though it was on the Saints website, it wasn’t intended as an insult to the Vikings…. it was merely an observation. This promted you to respond “The Vikings have had 2 bad games. How many have you guys had? I lost count” You also claimed that the Childress/Farve issue was nothing more than “media hype”.
I would suggest “you guys” have now had 3 bad games and unfortunately, it’s 3 of the past 4. It certainly suggests my observation has some merit. And if the relationship between coach and quaterback is nothing but media hype, why does everyone here feel compelled to debate it so much? It might have been wise to have waited until after the Chicago game before deciding to post your nasty-gram on the Saints site. Or better yet, maybe wait until the two teams are actually scheduled to play each other. I’ll be the first to admit that insult swapping can actually be kinda fun in the days leading up to an actual game.
Normally, I read but don’t post anything on other teams sites unless it’s thoughtful criticism or to say something complimentary. But…..
Other than a number of sports writers, most Vikings fans, and the 846 residents of Kiln, MS., I am a member of the vast majority of people who have had it with Mr. Farve. His “it’s all about me” ego coupled with utilizing his “good old boy” persona to basically dictate his own legacy wore thin about 3-4 years ago. Despite obvious talent, in my opinion, he’s done nothing but tarnish his image since he held his beloved Packers hostage and screwed them like a spoiled child.
With all that said, and to stay true to my self imposed trolling rules, I will wish the Vikings and their fans success during the post season up until and if they play the Saints. Should that occur, you’ll become our enemy for the day just as I’m sure we will become yours. You guys have a good team and a great fan base. I hope it survives after Farve has finished using you for his own self-promotion.
Peace
my goodness
you are terrible. I really can’t wait for the first time you demonstrate any knowledge or understanding of the game of football.
See, that's
where ’it’s you that doesn’t get it’. You’re not a team guy – you don’t consider Favre more than a hired gun. If you could be in that locker room, or talk face to face w/ those who are his teammates, you’d find that it’s you who can’t find a equal place on the team for him – not them. He is who he is, he has the rep he has – and it’s you that can’t gracefully accept the fact that he’s a Vike. And he likes being here. And you are crazy to think Chilly can carry favre’s jock in offensive team leadership. Favre has seen it all from the front row – and succeeds in this arena w/ or w/o Chilly on the sideline offensively speaking. I think your take on Lode is way off base. Period.
fair enough I guess.
I’m not explaining exactly what I mean very well, so I guess I’ll give up.
Favre is a hired gun by the way, if you don’t believe that, I’m not sure what to think. And anyway, he was brought in as a hired gun, wasn’t he? We didn’t bring him in to be the QB for 10 years. We brought him in to win now.
You're just pissed that the Vikings signed him period.
Hired gun or not…
And that’s the real reason you joined the site on December 7th, 2009. Just 1 day after the Arizona game.
It makes it easy not to take anything you say seriously when I know all of your comments stem for your hatred for Favre.
fair enough
you finally actually brought something to the table!
I do hate him, and frankly, I dont understand how so many Vikings ‘fans’ just tumble head over heels in love with him. My question will always be, “Was it worth it?” Remains t be seen of course, because they could still get to the Bowl. But if we end up 11-5/12-4 and lose a home playoff game, I think you really have ask yourself if it was worth it. Vikings sold out their past and mortgaged their future so that we could have Favre, and if all it means in the end is that we won 1 or two more games than last year, and they were more excited games, I call that failure. Especially when you consider that we could very well be left with an even worse QB situation when he leaves that when he came.
As for joining Dec. 7, 2009, it just happens that I only vaguely knew about this site before, and just happened to have a lull at work that allowed me to surf a little. If I had joined at any time before that, I assure you that you would feel the same way about me, because I would have been saying the same stuff.
They love him
I dont understand how so many Vikings ‘fans’ just tumble head over heels in love with him
because he is getting it done better than they ever hoped or dreamed he could. If he hadn’t, you wouldn’t hear the end of it 10 years after he left. He’d have a bounty on his head by now.
As far as being worth it if they lose a home playoff game, if he did a great job in that game and it was other factors brought the loss, he’s more than worth it. This team has more self confidence, swagger (well, til these last 2 games, anyway) and I think everyone’s learned a lot from the old man – that I believe will pay dividends down the road.
Favre isn't the problem at all - the rest of the team is...
It’s not Favre or (most) of the Receivers faults. They have been fairly consistent for the most part and one of the most exciting portions of this team. It’s the rest of the team that’s the issue: an inconsistent D-Line, a porous and sloppy O-line, a Special teams unit that’s actually going backwards at the worst time of the year to do so, a Secondary that’s simply awful, and perhaps most damaging, an overhyped RB who fumbles the ball consistently and last night at least, at the worst times imaginable.
The only thing we can really repair is play-calling (which was awful in our first OT series) and Peterson – time for him to ride the pine I’m afraid. Chester Taylor deserves a shot at #1. He has better hands, runs off bigger plays as of late and at key times, and is probably a lot healthier too, this late in the season.
I’m not saying keep AD on the bench forever but until he figures things out, that’s where he needs to be for a while. He’s fallen far short of his potential for the last third of our season. Ugh.
Honestly, barring a miraculous turn-around (which is possible I suppose), we’re a “one and done” team in the playoffs, just like Favre implied in his post-game interview last night (which I don’t blame him for saying, at all).
I hope you're not referring to my post
Because it’s spot on and I’m reading the same thing from sports writers all over the place this morning. Being a blind fan of AP isn’t going to help the team, at all. It may make Peterson feel warm and fuzzy but the fumbling has got to stop. Any football fan worth his salt knows that other than home-field advantage, turnovers have possibly the largest impact on a playoff game (or any game).
This is the Stupidest Comment I've Ever Read...
and I don’t believe you’re a Chief’s fan – you’re a hateful Packers fan.
by MissButterfly on Dec 29, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
You are
an idiot! Just keep to your beloved Chiefs and only dream of having a quarterback as good as Brett Favre. And don’t forget the Vikings ARE in the playoffs.
cali viking
lode runner what game were u watching you dont know shit favre is why we came back to tie the game if chilly let him play that way the first half we dont have this talk u r just stupid
Dallas Cowboys fan here...
Im really not sure I care one way or the other, but could I give you guys some helpful insight?…Actually the Bears did you guys a “sorta” favor since by beating you guys for us, and when the New York Gnats come into the Twin Cities, and beat you guys, which I have every reason to beieve they will, then that means that you wont have to pay the CheeseHeads again this year…If you guys get beat this coming Sunday by the Gnats and Dallas wins against the IGGLZ, then we get the #2 seed and play the CheeseHeads in Dallas…Im pretty sure how that is how it un-folds…So, instead of playing the Cheesers you guys would play I think Arizona, which they would have HFA against you, and so eliminate you guys from the PO…Philly would play New Orleans, and they would be eliminated also…How coooool would that be????…so, realy, all I wanted to do is get you caught up on the situation as it now stands…Cant reallly wish you good luck without sounding insincere, but as they said right before they slaughtered the Gladiators in the Roman Colliseum….“jugadae commeni” roughly translated that means “Let the Games begin”…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Dec 29, 2009 2:12 AM CST reply actions
I'm pretty sure that you're wrong
from a spelling, grammatical, and scenario standpoint. I was wondering however, whether cowboys fans feel the packers-cowboys rivalry nowadays though?
by Donald Driver on Dec 29, 2009 3:24 AM CST up reply actions
How about one (or five) of these: ¶
And didn’t you just post all over WCG that the loss hurt the Vikings and the NFC North, as a whole?
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
cali viking
just get off the site with that crap we will beat the giants and get the #2 seed and u r stupid as well
Chilly is the problem, not Brett!
When Brad Childress was the Offensive Coordinator with the Philadelphia Eagles, he never called in the plays. That was done by Head Coach.
Brad Childress, does not know how to win a football game with his play calling, he only knows how to lose.
Brett Favre knows how to win games. Brett knows how to call plays, taking advantage of a weakness in the other teams defense. Brett knows how to motivate the players on his team. If needed, Brett will carry his team to the end zone for touchdowns, if only Chilly would throw away his play calling card.
Some people get promoted to a position in life that is beyond their capabilities of handling, bring the whole organization down. Brad Childress is such a person, Brett Favre in not!
Brad Childress is responsible for the recent downfall of the Minnesota Vikings, not Brett!
Brad Childress is no better at coaching, then Denny “take a knee” Green was!
Everyone we meet in life give us happiness, some by their arrival, others by their departure!
I disagree - neither Chilly nor Favre is the problem
The problem is execution. I’d point at the O-Line (except Hutch), D-Line (except Allen), D-Backs (except starting CBs), and special teams. All have had a dozen plays that were called well and just weren’t executed. Here are steps I would take if I were coaching:
-Rotate in guys on the O-Line to keep guys fresh
-Work the rehab on the O-Line as they’re all clearly fighting minor injuries
-Give B. Robison more snaps at DE, maybe even start him (he played great on the few snaps he had last night). He and Edwards should start 50/50 for snaps and then go more to whoever is having a better game.
-Rotate DTs more and tell K. Williams to step it up – he’s looking average.
-Start Jamarca Sanford – he’s better than either of the starting safeties we’re playing.
-Devote more practice time to tackling drills
by ChemErik on Dec 29, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Like what you are saying
But the reason Kevin williams looks average is because he gets held a lot. It is sort of ridiculous if you watch him. They showed a replay of Chris Williams blocking Jared Allen, and meanwhile, on the right side of the screen in slow motion, K-Wil is getting tackled by kruetz(i think, or a guard). I think the vikings d-line gets held a lot. There was a time in the NFL when great defensive lines got all the calls, but now that we are in passing-land, I guess the defense has to work even hard, and get held even more.
Exactly
Give B. Robison more snaps at DE, maybe even start him (he played great on the few snaps he had last night). He and Edwards should start 50/50 for snaps and then go more to whoever is having a better game.
Why not even try BR as a run stopping OLB at times. Brinkly doesn’t have a clue yet. He may be good someday but I don’t like him as a playoff leader in the Mike spot.
Guys like Suggs rotate between LB and DE Why not try it with Brian?
OH. Making chnages is something Chilly has to study fro a few weeks.
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 29, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
10-1 before extension 1-3 after
Is it a coincidence that are misfortunes coincide with the extension that Chilly received mid season? Prior to that he was coaching loose and a little scared. The pressure was on to win or he would be gone. Now with his new contract he has gone back to the same conservative approach that cost him several games in the past.
Chilly is a great talent evaluator and has brought together a championship caliber team. He just needs to let his coordinators and playmakers do what they a re paid to do and step back from the playcalling.
by AlexMNVikeFan on Dec 29, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
I dont know
maybe our bad coach is Frazier? What is with the delayed blitzes? Our worst defensive plays come when we blitz. Why do we get the same amount of pressure when we blitz as when we send 4? That is so weird and frustrating.
i think
that since BF is making the offensive calls in the hurry up style that he has to override Frazier and get his hands in the defense.
by midnightwonder on Dec 29, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Fear the star...HAhhahahhhahahahahhahahahahahahah....
A Cow Girls fan…I notice she doesn’t mention playing the Vikings in the playoffs…What a joke…The packers don’t wanna play us…their worst nightmare is to lose 3 times to the Vikes…I’ll give you some helpful insight, You cow girls better focus on the eagles…you haven’t even won your division…wild card at best…you gals got your ass whipped by the packers( a team we own) The Vikings play better as the under dog…and it sounds like clowns like you are already starting to look past the Vikings…That’s just the way we like it…I hope we do get to smack you punks around in the playoffs…we own your asses too…
The good news!
is that we have definitely hit rock-bottom and can’t possibly look worse than we did last night. We have a blueprint for offensive success. If we come out and execute on offense hopefully our D will feed off of that and elevate their play as well.
I’m purging my negative disgust for our inconceivable late-season suckfest. I know with every Viking-loving fiber of my being that we will play like a team on a mission from here out. I sure wish our team had embraced that mission before halftime of last night’s game, but at least we now have it in focus.
We still have the talent to get it done… SKOL!!
Sorry,
that I I wasn’t more involved in the back-and-forth banter last night fellas, but I got caught up in the j.tv chat. Not to mention that I didn’t think you guys really need a Bears perspective on the game. I know it can get a bit testy.
Despite the outcome, we’ll still be watching you guys from our couches next month. Ugh! :(
FEAR THE STAR! lmao.
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Gotta say,
I’m really glad right now that I didn’t go double or nothing with you.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Dec 29, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Can't blame you,
you’d be rocking some Jay-love right now! ;)
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for being civil
I always appreciate good natured posts from opposing teams that beat us. Thanks for being a good sport. We need more like you. You represent the Bears favorably.
But as long as we’re on the topic, you wouldn’t happen to know where fellow Bears fan TarHeelHawk lives, would you? I’m kinda thinking of paying him a visit to “post” my opinions of his rude comments in person.
No problem...
and thanks. You Vikings fans aint that bad of a lot yourselves. Just like all Bears fans aren’t either. Together we can prove that the two can co-exist, amiright?!?
TarHeelHawk?!? No clue who that cat is… don’t think I’ve ever read a post at WCG of his. Sorry.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
By the way, I don’t know if you care, but my experience with Bears fans are far and away better than my experience with Packer fans. Your fan base seems educated, logical, respectful, and insightful. I’m still looking for a single Packer fan that fits those descriptors. Just thought you might like to unite against a common enemy.
My pops is a Packers fan.
And I agree. ;)
But as will you root against the Bears, I will continue to root against the Vikings. It’s just how life is. However, that doesn’t mean we cannot be cordial and still have intelligent and respectful debate with each other.
Like I said above, there’s a lot of good peeps here.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Decent packers fans on the boards:
packallday555
verno329
And the APC mods.
At least, that’s my opinion.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Dec 29, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I've no clue who verno is,
but Packallday seems like a good poster. In reality, there are good fans (people) everywhere. And every teams has “those” people who ruin it for everyone else.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Two thoughts
One: Even though we lost, does anybody think we might have saved ourselves with that comeback? Seems like we got some momentum, and if we can carry that through two home games, at least we will have a shot on the road in our second playoff game. (Or we could open the game next week really flat again, and end up 11-5 and get rocked in the wildcard.)
Two: At what point does a running back’s production no longer out-weigh his fumbles? I believe that Peterson, right now, is not worth it. He has lost more games than he has won, and that is frightening. I really think he should b benched for that fumble. Chester Taylor should start and get most of the carries this week. The fact that AP won’t even admit that he carries the ball poorly, and that he is stubborn about not having a grip issue, is really shocking. Even on his first TD, he was running with the ball in the arm closest to the defender.
I agree with you about AD, Tuckerbjt.
But his apologists will throw hissy fits at the mere suggestion that he ride the pine for a bit. At this point in time with the way he’s been playing (poorly for much of the past 4-6 games) and with the fumbles, he’s just simply too much of a liability than a benefit. He killed us last night, single-handedly.
I agree about Chester – he’s ran better than Peterson the past several games, he doesn’t fumble, catches passes better…there is every upside there. He needs to become the #1 RB for us going forward. Heck, he should’ve been a few games back and who knows how things might have gone.
I do agree that we may have at least righted the ship with our passing game due to the big comeback but that’s about it. Every other area is a total disaster: O-line, D-line (not a disaster but just not very effective anymore), Secondary (particularly awful – we simply MUST draft new CBs and safeties going forward), and Special Teams, which clearly have taken a step backwards at the most inopportune time. \:(
But I am enjoying Favre and our Receiving Corps, for the most part, other than the dropped balls. And Harvin?? Oh Harvin?? Where are you?? Sigh.
My thought as I was watching Overtime
Why didnt A.P. just run out of bounds when he had the first down instead of going for the extra yard that ultimately cost us the fumble? That’s all I kept telling myself lastnight, why just not run out of bounds? I know this has been stated by many over the season, but the guy needs to work on his ball handling, he is getting stripped way to many times.
Second, the way the D has played, it’s almost looking to us the E.J. to the Vikings is what Polamalu is to the Steelers, take the one out, and you have a somewhat declawed attack in the D. Yes, before everyone jumps on me, I do know they play two different positions. But with the loss of both, there are large holes opposing Offenses are now exploiting.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
I agree with you on your EJ comment.
it’s a different defense. The secondary looked confused a lot last night… and I have to think they were doing some different things trying to also cover for EJs absence.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Well
That’s true, but the defense was getting burned in the Cardinals game with EJ in at full (or nearly full) health.
Ultimatley, we need more depth at all positions and probably need to look into a new defensive coordinator.
by medicineball on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
ArizonaVikings fan...
As the resident “eternal optimist” what do you think the team should do to fix things going forward? :(
Let Favre run the show from here on out...
If Chilly still needs his fingerprints on the offense, let him ‘script’ the first 12 plays… then let the coach between the hashmarks take over.
We let the Bears dictate the tempo of the game in the first half and we cannot let that repeat against our remaining opponents. Let Favre run with this offense and set the tempo, let our opponent play catchup.
If you have the game taped… go back and see the look on Favre’s face on that last drive… there’s a grin there that says it all.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
There was no rush to get dwonfield. Keep picking away and wearing down their D.
I know AD is proud but he should have been told that from BF or more so, the coaches.
But out coaches don’t have a clue.
Funny. Favre takes over and the O-line plays like an O-line. Not like a bunch of wandering, aging , sheep.
Why wasn’t Winny told (being he has a bad foot.) to give that WR some cushion?
This entire coaching staff is worthless and Frazier is a HC candidate? He can’t even get his D motivated. Sorry LF lovers but watch the films. He allows mediocre efforts to go on. Namingly one Ray Edwards.
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 29, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine if
Tarvaris Jackson/Gus Frerotte had had Percy Harvin, a healthy Sidney Rice, and a special teams that didn’t lose games on its own. Anybody remember how many games we lost last year almost solely due to special teams mess ups? Last night’s game reminded me of how frustrating that was. I figure we would have gone at least 12-4 last year with even an average special teams in 2008.
How frightening is that
Wow. Thats some scarey analysis. With TJack and Frerotte at the helm we essentially only lost one more game than we did this year with Favre, Harvin, Rice, ect. If that isn’t humbling enough I dont know what is. And with the sensational season Favre is having, it makes you wonder how aweful we’d actually be without him.
First time this season
I have to call the refs out. The viks have to win that game a play through it, but the did get shafted last night. No PI, no holding which was going on a lot and although AP has to hold to that ball, he was facemasked on that play. Disgusting performance by the coaching staff. Let Brett do his thing Chilly, he knows how to run an offense, you do not. The play right after Tillman went down would have been six because he had man-man coverage on the outside. But Chilly has to stroke the ego and prove he’s boss. I guess a loss is better than a bruised ego.
I enjoy Crow
After posting the tell-tale signs of a Favre demise, I was delighted to see his performance last evening, though angered by the end result for the Vikes.
The lesson? Brett Favre is his own man. Let him be his own man. Give him options and flexibility.
I could not agree more. I never have any problems with Brett being Brett, as long as his dander is up. It’s when he gets the look in his eye that he had the previous three weeks. Turn him loose and make sure AP gets the ball enough and you will meet some AFC foe in Miami.
Perhaps you watched a different game than the rest of us did, One-Flap Down??
Favre was excellent last night and the only reason we even had a chance to win that game.
And your quote to, “…make sure AP gets the ball enough…” is laughable. What, give AP the ball so he can fumble the game away for us? Um, no thanks.
That’s not going to get us to Miami my friend. Frankly not much will. We have serious, serious issues that really can’t be fixed without adding some new players to our O-line, D-line, and most importantly, Secondary.
I dont know what you mean
but you might be right. I think that saying that every time favre has 1 on 1 coverage he should take a shot is probably wrong.
“It’s when he gets that look in his eye” He ALWAYS gets that look in his eye, because everybody just lets him do whatever he wants.
Let’s not forget that everybody would be talking a lot differently if that easy INT wasn’t dropped by the bears with about 3 minutes left. That was favre throwing into triple coverage for no reason, and we are beyond lucky that it wasn’t picked.
one more thing...
letting favre ‘do his own thing’ sends the message that childress is not in charge…which actually is important, because Childress is going to be in Minnesota a lot longer than Favre is. Basically the Vikings are set up right now to be a very bad team that does not respect their coach, possibly as soon as 2010, depending on what we do at QB.
Well we have seen what happens when chilly does his own thing now and look what happens. He’s the coach and you have to be able to get the best out of you people, which he is not. I’m not saying that Favre should be calling every play, but there are circumstances where he needs to have the ability to do so w/o Chilly getting sand in his vagina.
Should he be in charge?
Chilly does not exude confidence. Even in his post game interview he comes off as ho hum. I agree the O-line and D-line are having some issues now, but the Vikes D still leads the league in sacks and is one of the top teams in tackles for loss.
Are big guys up front need to start getting a push every play. They look flat. Do you think it has to do with Hutchinson’s back?
by AlexMNVikeFan on Dec 29, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Loderunner...
shut up.
remember how Favre’s OT INT in the NFC Championship agin the Giants got all the blame for that loss? no one talks about the receivers not getting separation, no running game, poor O-line play or the Packer who should’ve just fallen on the Giant fumble instead of trying to pick it up in regular play. everyone hinges on the INT.
i’ll do the same with AP’s fumble. momentum was in our favor. AP had the first down. it’s not like this was in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd quarter. it was OT in a game where your team sucked the 1st half. when AP tries to do more, AP fumbles. dammit – he’s not using his head. yeah – Favre fumbled which led to 3 Bear points. Longwell missed the extra point. D sucked and special teams sucked and the O-line wasn’t protecting Favre in the 1st half. but in the end – like the Favre INT in the Giants game – i put this on AP and his history of fumbling the freakin’ ball.
Pass Defense...
…it’s bad right now. It’s hard to figure where more blame/frustration lies: the anemic pass rush or the can’t cover/tackle secondary. It all gets compounded when Frazier resorts to blitzing to compensate for the non-existent pressure, because the secondary just can’t cover man-to-man to save their lives. They’re not built for it.
Both safeties are terrible and have been all year. I wonder if the time is coming a little sooner than thought to move Winfield to safety, which is rumored to be the team’s plan, anyway. I know Winfield’s coming off an ankle, but he’s always been at his best playing in the trash, anyway, and at his age, it’s not like he’s going to get better out on the island (where, let’s face it, he’s been toast since he’s come back). A CB in the draft good enough to place Winfield in the middle of the field (and one of Williams/Johnson off it) would be a godsend.
One thing that concerned me is
That we do nothing to hide our blitzes. Every time we’d make it obvious what was coming (while the Bears unfortunately hid their blitzes fairly well) and then Cutler could burn us. We need a better defensive coordinator, I think. :(
AP question
If you bench him, how will that solve the fumbling problem? If we don’t play him then what is the point of keeping him? Other teams are keying in on stripping the ball from him. I guess if teams worked on Chester, he would be in the same hot seat right now. The OL is a disgrace and AP can no longer overcome their ineptness. I think AP needs an emergency trainer/guru to coach him on protecting the ball. He needs to play in order to adapt a ball-protecting running style and build confidence. If he can’t stop fumbling then what is the point of keeping him?…he would be a liability as a #2 back.
Work hard with him or drop him.
Well
I think you have to actually discipline him. Brett Favre would disagree with me, but even when you are an all-pro, you need to be discipline. Fumbling can be fixed. And we can’t afford for him to learn how not to fumble in real-time. Sometimes fumbling is a physical-in-the-moment mistake—you get hit hard or awkwardly or whatever. But this is simply peterson not protecting the ball, not being smart with the ball. You have to send the message to him that he has to do something about it.
Great points.
I am a bit worried because in his glory days he never protected the ball. Teams were in awe until some jerk found a way to pop the ball loose. Can he be rehabilitated and remain a running threat? His reckless abandon is what made him so dangerous. Now it is a double edge sword :(
I think some of the answer is the OL. teams would have less opportunities to strip the ball if AP had lanes to run in instead of hitting a crowd of defenders.
Disagree about one of your points, Kenmtb.
He’s not really fumbling at the line of scrimmage though but at the END of his runs. That’s your signal that it’s all him and no one else’s fault. He’s just not playing smart at all – making awful, stupid decisions and it cost us the game last night. His bull-headed mentality to drive for one more pointless yard (considering that he’d just got a 16-yard gain for us) rather than stepping out of bounds, lost the game for us. \:(
Bench him, bring on Chester. Please and thanks.
I'm pretty sure that any time he fumbles
It’s the end of the run.
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by Robert Rence on Dec 29, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
lol!
wise… very wise.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yup your right
If it is his mentality then hopefully that can be changed. What ever happens I dont want to see him to loose his aggressive running style. I so think the OL need to have a couple of players replaced. Hererra is a weakspot and Mckinney needs some motivation.
Funny thing is Peterson almost never fumbles when going straight up the gut. Its always when hes near the sidelines by himself. That isnt the Olines fault at all.
The other thing
It seems he is more susceptible to fumble/stripped like last night, going for those few extra yards that just are not worth it.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
To play Devil's advocate...
how many times have you cheered when he pushed for the extra yards?
I remember against the Bears a few year back… Peterson was stopped at the goal line, held up, and he just kept churning and churning and drove three people back to score. That’s when I knew that AP was something special and the Bears would be in trouble with him for a long time.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
yup!
But that’s a Vikings fan in a nutshell…
Out of our minds cheering for something that, when it goes bad, we out of our minds complain about.
we want it both ways, dammit.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Time and place for both
In a blow out or trying to score a TD, yes, that little extra surge is commendable. In the instance last night, he already had the 1st down and being overtime, would have been alot safer to run out and get ready for the 1st & 10. I do see your point, but within reason as well.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
meh.
I’d rather see a player give top effort on every play then run out of bounds. But I come from the Walter Payton, give the hit, run you over, school of thought on Running Backs.
Which, by the way, I’m quickly putting AP in the class of.
I’d take him, and his fumbles, any day of the week. Just sayin’.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
I whole heartedly understand
I loved the fact he gave his all against the Steelers and even running over the guy like Payton would have. In fact, I have a Payton jersey hanging on the wall here out of pure respect for the man (uh oh, think Im in trouble to admitting that! lol). You may or may not be able to confirm, but think there were times Payton did the safe thing and get to the next play too. I could be wrong. But not asking to have Peterson just run and stop, but a little bit more thought in a situation like that.
As for the idea of trading him, no way even if I was high on crack. That has to be the most idiotic thing I’ve heard.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
LOL!
If you’re into crack, read my bio! ;)
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
This is a dirty little issue that (as far as I’ve seen) hasn’t really been talked about: the team and AP’s longterm future. Because AP’s under contract one more season. Typically that would mean he and the team would try and hammer out an extension this offseason. Coming into this year, I think most observers would assume he’d get a superstar type contract. But when you look at his issues, the fact that the running game is a team concept (RB + 5 OL + TE/WR), that the NFL is a pass-first environment and resources should probably be more tilted towards the passing game, that RBs can fall off the cliff quickly, that the Vikings offense has looked it’s best this year when AP’s been a secondary character… we’ll need to see.
To be clear, I don’t think they’ll just release him or anything like that. But if he’s going to want a record contract or something, there may be some issues…
AP desearves a record contract...
The guy is a beast! Sure he fumbled at an inopportune time last night, and has had issues. But look at what he does, consistently. He’s one of, if not the best running back in the game today. I’d be stoked if the Bears didn’t have to face AP twice a year.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Getting rid of AP is out of the question
But man, we’ve GOT to do something about those fumbles.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Dec 29, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
The fumbles are of concern, I'm sure.
But a lot of it, I think, is because the guy just runs with reckless abandon (or angry as some like to call it). The kid is gifted and the fumbling can be worked on…
Maybe something like this?!? >> Link’ers <<
(sorry for the quality, best I could find)
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Well, off the top of my head...
Both Ahman Green and Tiki Barber used to have similar issues. So, find who worked with them and bring them in for AP. That’s what I’m thinking.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Actually it's not
I’d rather have a franchise QB than a RB who fumbles away games. He’s lost his luster, that much is obvious.
Re-read.
He’s one of, if not the best running back in the game today.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
yikes.
that was to Jayrome007. Sorry.
To you… I don’t know what to tell you. Wanna trade for Forte?
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
response above.
my bad.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think he should honestly be traded
for a franchise QB. Just makes sense. I think we’re already seeing the start of his drop-off and with the fumbling issues, it’s time for us fans and the team to stop worshiping him and start finding a different solution. \:(
Uh...wow.
AP is the Vikings franchise player, for starters. He has one off year (he’s not even terrible, I think he’s what, 3rd best in the entire league now?) and it’s time to dump him?
God, Vikings fans are ridiculous sometimes.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
the ridiculousness
isn’t solely a Vikings fandom trait. All teams have “those” fans.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I'm aware.
The past few weeks have just been extra awful here with ‘those’ fans. :\
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
You should have read WCG
after our initial slide. Ugh!
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
You had an initial slide? I don’t mean to rip your team or anything (cause yours was clearly the better team last night) but I don’t think you can compare the two seasons, nor the grief the fanbases share. Its one thing to realize your seasons over in the first couple week. Its a completely different (and much more painful) experience to actually believe in a team and have them let you down at the end of the season.
First few weeks?!?
We were 3-1 after the first four games? How is ANY season over after the first few weeks?
We had extremely high hopes going into this season. Cutler, Pace, Pisa, a healthy defense, Hester with another year, and the emergence of Knox from the start.
Despite our struggles and massive amounts of injuries, we were still in games and in the playoff hunt until past mid-season.
And we experienced last year, sort of, what you’re feeling this year. All we had to do was beat the Rams to get in to the playoffs – and we didn’t. From my perspective, the consistently terrible play this season has been much harder to stomach. Not to mention, that we’ll be watching you guys play next month.
Not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone. But come on… why does your anguish HAVE to be greater than mine or any other fans? It’s just different, that’s all.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
All we had to do was beat the Rams to get in to the playoffs – and we didn’t.
It was the Texans actually, either way we needed a win and got squat. But this year has been a huge disappointment. Hopefully we’ve got something to build on this year.
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 29, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yikes.
Can’t believe I made that mistake – I’m a big box of fail!
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
There were a lot of problems last night.
First half woes aside, if this defense is all they say they are, 30 points should be more than enough for a victory.
Second, was anyone else having flashbacks to last year’s special teams? Do we need to start squib kicking all of our kick-offs to give our Special Teams a chance to make a play?
Third, Winfield has lost more than a step. In addition to giving up the game winning goal, he also gave up a 30+ yard play in the fourth. I’ll have to watch it again to chronicle all of them, but it looks like Winfield hasn’t fully healed and as such, should be resting until he has. And really, I’m NOT looking forward to watching it again.
Fourth, Jared Allen’s stats for the past four games:
Tackles 9
Assists 1
Sacks 1
FF 1
Oddly enough, if you take away the Carolina game it drops to just four tackles.
Fifth, @%#^ing blocked extra point. Gah.
Sixth, as much as I hate to say it, AP does need to ride the pine a bit due to the case of his fumblitis. By starting Chester Taylor, you piss off AP. And if you keep Chester in there for a while, you let him simmer. And AP does run significantly better when angry. Will that cure his fumbling problem? No. He’s going to need to work on that all off-season long. And we’re going to have to hope it solves his problem. Additionally, he needs to learn to catch the damn ball. We’re talking Troy Williamson level bad here.
Seventh, if the O-line can’t protect, we need to get rid of the ball quicker.
Eighth, Brett should do a better job recognizing when he’s got pressure. I’d like to think it was a brain freeze on his part last night, but I’m not totally sure. There were several balls thrown in to heavy coverage, a intentional grounding that he should know better than to commit, and a fumble that led to an almost immediate score by the Bears.
Ninth, even with as much as Brett seemed to be suffering from a brain freeze, it’s better than the almost permanent vapor lock Chilly seems to have. You pestered all off-season to get all that experience here, start taking advantage of it. Now get off your high horse and let him do his job.
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Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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that magical extra-point
Would have made Brett’s last TD the game winner. I keep forgetting about that. Its a one-point win & on to high hopes vs. the Giants.
Instead? f’it. One stinking extra-point. It wasnt missed. It was blocked. Are you KIDDING me??!!!!!!!
I'd tend to think it's a fluke...
but year after year, the Bears special teams show up and do things like this. Izzy’s blocked a ton of kicks, kickers miss (a lot), and our return and coverage teams are always one of the best in the league.
Dave Toub is a jedi master genius.
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by David Taylor on Dec 29, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Lots of things I wish would have gone differently last night.
Extra point not blocked, have AP hold on to the ball, actually see some tackles being made…
But yeah, agreed.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Biggest thing
as Ive stated already, just run out of bounds, don’t be a flippin hero……….for the other team.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes VFNM
There was no hurry. We weren’t on a 2 minute drill. Guys should have been told to hang on to the ball and take the yards you get.
Should have, could have, would have. Guess it’s all mute at this point. But, a good lesson for future OT situations.
Let’s keep believing. We do every year. Who would have thunk the 87 Twins would win theWorld eriers. I think our odds are better than theirs. They could just use the unity and spirit of those guys.
by CitrusFLViking on Dec 29, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Shhhhhhh
Dont refer to the ‘87 Twins or the ’91 Twins. If you do, might be asked if you want a “cookie” by a few self martyr’s for being optimistic like I did last week!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I understand
but I would rather take my chances in O.T.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"You men are only risking your lives, while I am risking an almost-certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor!"
"We have clearance Clarence. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
by VikesFaninNM on Dec 29, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
yup.
we had momentum.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
As I posted earlier this week
Yes, I am worried. The opinions of many, and myself, are all well warrented.
Lots of 12-4 teams have gone on to the big game. If this had been a game like Caroline, who is proving they are not as bad as their record, I would be more worried. But we corrected a problem and got on track..
As for the cowgirl post. The Giants are a lame duck. If and only IF, our coaches start knocking some egos around (including our own HC) and build off that 2nd half we can make a run.
Let BF run and audible the offense. He is a 19 year vet . Let the media know that is what you are doing, Mr. Childress. If he screws up, it is off your shoulders
ap fumbles
i dont supposed faRve changing the plays from run to pass all the time to make sure the world knows “hes the guy” and that ap helped him, not the other way around….shook ap’s confidence at all right?. faRve had two near ints again last night but we got lucky. i love the vikings with all my horns, but my god…can you really not see how faRve is manipulating this situation?? his audibles arent about being good calls or bad…they are about skewing his stats so it appears he has shouldered most of the load and is in fact….the reason the nfl was formed. how many qbs in the league refer to thier head coach by his first name? he has NO respect for us or our team. look at his post game interview last night….he says “we all need to make plays all the time..i can think of 5 right off the top of my head i should have made”…….then,1 minute later….“i made every play i could possibly make”…….? way to throw your team under the bus. really appreciate it. piece of the puzzle my ass, he thinks hes the puzzle the solution and the box it came in.
Why do people like you
hope to be understood when all that can be pulled from this tripe is hate? Your level of foolishness here is laughable.
you are entitled to your opinion
and i am mine. dont even tell me you didnt hate this guy for the whole time in gb ….. now love him? you didnt hate all the announcers and madden and everyone makin excuses for him his whole career? you are the one who is foolish jshep….you are laughable as a viking fan and a person. would you allow anyone else in your life to continually lie and make a fool of you? apparently you would. how do you know when faRve is lyin?? his lips are movin, thats how. if you want to go down the primrose path,hey , thats your choice. love how he makes it seem like AP isnt in the right spot on his audible, which by the way, was an AP run……not only does he take his carries away, but makes him look like a idiot too! if you dont “understand” what im saying, im not suprised. if the game was named after you, it would be “chinballs” ,not football
If you've read anything I've posted ,
you’d know I’m a career Favre fan who was very disenchanted w/ the whole TT/MM handling of the situation in GB. I have a MN born wife. I happen to love watching this team (who opened it’s arms to BF) as it really has that spark of life about it. You know nothing of what is or is not truth fom Favre. You don’t personally know him, and I’m sure you were never there to catch him in a lie.
You obviously don’t know me, either – or you wouldn’t be such a child w/ your choice of degredation.
You have never walked onto a field and seen 19 years of the game from Favre’s point of view. And I bet you’ve never succeeded in anything to 1/10th the man you obviously seeth hate towards has. Smoke another one.
awwww dont be mad jshep
you must be outta ballwax, its ok, maybe faRve will blame it on bevell. and as far as faRves POV, i can see that by standing in front of a mirror. its ME ME ME ME. now go organize your shamWOW’s for the next polishing. and dont forget to mention his blatant lie to tannenbaum in ny! is this guy your ditka or somethin? get a grip. also, the word is “degradation”. im suprised your itt tech education didn’t teach you that! nice try nutshine.
are you coming out of retirement brent
“no, its all a rumor”. see ,thats a published LIE. awww, the card house tumbles jshep
awwwww, you are very welcome jshep.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2008031172_nfl03.html
now with any luck, santa brought you “hooked on phonics” for christmas and you can actually read it!!
do you have to be kreskin
to watch a grown man BAWL on espn, say the gm and coach for the pack had NOTHING to do with it, he just had nothing more to give… and retire? some would call that a lie.
Take your hate
and desire to force your opinion ( because it still comes down to being only your opinion) to be declared right by everyone you encounter – whether you can legitimately prove it or not – and call it a day.
so does this mean you really cant read jshep?
im not forcing anything on anyone. i am merely stating facts. facts you cannot see due to your man love for a pathological liar. does your wife know about this? dont worry, i wont tell.
LOL
ok pal! to some, no matter what you provide, whether it be a published article or not….it just wont be enough for them to see the truth. did you see his teary first retirement speech? did you see his nyjets retirement interview? you know, the one where he said “im retired now and im good with it”? here is a quote from the guy:"I foresee getting the impulse to play,‘’ Favre said. "But as good as Mike Tannenbaum has been to me, I could never bring myself to do it. I know I won’t do it. If I did, I’d be putting the Jets in a tough spot, because I know they can’t release me.‘’
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/15/favre/index.html#ixzz0bCbdilJk
a couple months later, he strongarms his way into a release because the jets dont want him around to pollute thier new qb, and lucky us. looks like he can in fact bring himself to say whatever he wants to say in order to do whatever he wants to do.
so really salty, it DOES prove my point. we are in dire dire straits with this guy and his selfish bs. he told guys “they were the best hes ever played with”…..and the believe him?? how could they? ultimately thats the problem here i think. guys realize he just blows smoke to get what he wants, people like you eat it up and take it for gospel…then down the road realize you’ve been duped. some of our players realize hes just full of it now, and cant stay in sync. its too bad, we all know history repeats itself dont we. below is some good reading as well. this is what the national media gurus think. take a peek.
I'm not sure about all this
other crap you guys are talking, but it is nice to see that some Vikings fans still remember the 16 years favre was on the other side, and recognize that the Minnesota Vikings are currently the vehicle for Brent’s self-promotion and mememememme attitude.
and another thing
love how faRves fumble isnt as crucial to the game as ap’s. ALL FUMBLES HURT BAD!! you watch, now when ap’s contract comes up, faRve will be gone and ap will leave us too.
Football logic out, emotions in
I’ve noticed that the later it gets in the year that more people are posting and looking to blame Favre for the Vikings struggles. Emotion is overriding a persons ability to look at the facts and what has really happened vs. their love affair with their favorite player. Let’s look at the following:
Bernard Berrian……can’t seem to catch a ball if you sewed it to his hand
Adrian Peterson…….averages 1 fumble per game, can’t protect the football, any of you who can say that this isn’t a problem are a friggin blind liar.
Antione Winfield…….. has been getting smoked one on one in the last few games.
Jasper Brinkley………. a rookie who can tackle, however he showed he still doesn’t know where he should be on the field at all times.
Offensive Line…………..it’s still offensive to the point that speed stick can’t help.
Brad CHildress……….scared to open up any big play capability and everyone figured it out.
SO as you can see, when most people wake up from their love affair, these are “team” losses and not Favre’s or any one person. I will say ths however, if Peterson can’t get a grip on the ball then trade him for someone who can and some solid draft picks. We will need those picks to find replacements for older players who will be leaving soon. Don’t get me wrong people, I love AD to death, but holding onto the ball is the number one responsibility of a running back.
"team losses"
sure, they always “team losses” with him…..and like the annoucers last night said…“can FAVRE come back???” where the hell is the “team” there? its only "team with faRve when its a loss. if its a win, its all him. thats crap. he was the qb when we went down 16-0 at half right? did he have to throw that ball to a wide open berrian, who i admit was wide open and should have caught it….at mach 9? no. it was cold, the ball is slippery…..lots of players could have caught or hung onto the ball. a 19 yr vet should be smart enough to not throw it that hard. and at the end, he was jealous that cutler got his mnf interview and HAD to go step in there to congratulate him. riiiiiight its not about him when its a bad thing, and thats the ONLY time. AP is the beast on this team….AP is the reason there are 8 and 9 guys in the box and faRve is on easy street…..and he STILL CANT GET IT DONE!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!
Obviously you can't read
because what I posted is not what the sportswriters were saying, I NEVER said the wins were because of Favre, they won those games when they all clicked as a unit, a team. Then you follow up trying to berate me with excuses for people…….waaaaahhh, it was cold and the :sniffle: ball was cold, along with boo hoo he threw the ball to hard. Where was AP the beast against Arizona, or how about Carolina? I bet that was Favre’s fault. The problem I have is when people like you blame Favre for all of the Vikings woes as of late, then when you open your trap about it, the best you can come up with is the weather and how hard he threw the ball. I will also repeat what I said being that you chose to skate around it, I love AP I think he is great, but I do not think that he is the only way to win football games. If someone even mentions the words about trading Peterson they are labeled an idiot. If you look at logic instead of feeling butt hurt that someone said something about your fantasy boyfriend, then you would see that there is some sense to it…….imagine what other teams would give up to aquire AP, the Vikes are going to need a QB soon, and we will have other key positions to fill next year. So my eyes are open and I can look beyond just today, it’s to bad you can’t see beyond the end of your nose.
you misunderstand sixmark
and i apologize if you felt i was berating you. it wasnt my intent. we dont need to be infighting like our neighbors. and i did read that you like ap, only a fool wouldnt want him on our team. but instead of signing an aging instigator to 12 mil a year, perhaps we could have filled some of our holes with some other F A signings. i cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to trade our best weapon. you dont find guys like ap…period. as to the “excuses” i made, how are they any different that the ones you put out to defend faRve? you blame an obviously wounded winfield….a rookie lb who is above the learning curve at the position and the head coach who in fact does realize that giving the ball to the biggest running threat in the NFL is in fact an attempt at a big play. the o line played well enough to allow a comeback didnt it? petersons fumbles are an issue,and a big one. so is the fact that berrian has troubles catching the ball. but faRve still fumbled didnt he. he didnt make a play in the first half did he.he still gets his throws in doesnt he, whilst ap’s carries dwindle to the point of being pathetic. “Emotion is overriding a persons ability to look at the facts and what has really happened vs. their love affair with their favorite player.” dont get emotional sixmark, just look at the game honestly. we know you love the ole gunslinger, its obvious. your man love spreads far and wide. i guess i didnt realize that you are the only person who is allowed to make excuses. i prefer to defend my team, not one man. your blood runs green and gold all day long doesnt it troll.
Simple
because the team is going nowhere w/o his:
A) Game savvy
B) Leadership ability to get the most from his teammates
C) Unbelieveable will AND skill to get a comeback done. And he did it yet again.
No QB ever soft tosses a ball no matter the circumstances to a receiver whose sole jobis to get it and keep it in his hands. Look at Rice’s catch – that ball was drilled, over his head where only ice could and did, catch it for a TD. You’re killing me.
by jshep on Dec 29, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
whatever
yer just another in a long line of faRve nutshines. make sure you polish em good when he blows our "team " up
guess that means
you will be swingin from AP’s then with the way you think, do you have anything else to add above a grade school level, or are you going to start with my daddy can beat up your daddy now?
troll defending troll now
boy, you trolls sure stick together, ill give ya that. you should stick to sports you understand…like figure skating for instance……does the cold truth ruffle your tights mr. boitano?
also
i like to keep it around a grade school level so you GB fans can stick with the converstation.
my bad....the word is "conversation"
this is what happens when i lower myself to the level of a gb fan…..i lose the ability to type words correctly.
I hope
you level of immaturity lands you well outside the confines of DN. The ‘team’ would be 8-7 at best w/o him. The best thing to happen to this version of the Vikings is still the best thing to happen to this version of the Vikings no matter how much you spew vile quips. And you have no education using the words you use.
feeding the trolls is discouraged.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions
"Favre's Comeback"?
Gee, I’m pretty sure I saw a lot more guys out there than Favre in the second half.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 29, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions
The only one close
Was AP, his YPC went up sharply in the second half.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
by Robert Rence on Dec 30, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
think along the lines of when ESPN talks about how many 4th quarter comebacks a QB has in his career – they’re not saying he did all of them alone… I think that may be where the terminology was pointed. Anthony will correct me if I’m in error.
the center
if he doesnt snap the ball, it doesnt touch faRves hands does it slick?
the defense
yes, the much maligned d. if they dont get it together and stop a few drives there, we would never close the gap would we?
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