Let the guy who is the best in the world at what he does do what he does. Brad Childress can't say that. Brett Favre can. Give him the keys and say, 'Hey, there's a reason we sent the private jet, a reason why I picked you up, and you've won three MVPs.
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Amen.
Trent Dilfer summed up everything I feel about Childress and Favre.
Favre knows how to run a kick ass offense. :)
by PurplePeopleEaters on Dec 30, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions
This is the correct answer.
As long as you’re able to outwit a clump of moist soil, this is the conclusion you come to.
Unfortunately, Brad Childress is not yet in that category, nor are some of the wonderful blowhard sheeple apologists I’ve encountered.
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Loved it when Chilly ....
… was sending in the goalline package and Favre was waving them back. Favre didn’t get his way and the VIkes were stuffed. Next two times Favre got his way and the Vikes spread the field and scored both times.
Dilfer is exactly right.
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Yeah, pretty much.
This seems to be what many, many Vikings fans have been saying for a while.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
What most Vikings fans have been saying:
“Childress has given us two more wins each year, he drafted AP, he brought in Favre; he deserved the extension.”
But that was when we were winning, now that we’re losing people are starting to realize a coach’s job entails more than bringing in top talent. They actually, you know, have to coach them, which ours apparently isn’t so good at.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
Agreed...
though I don’t know many fans that said Childress actually deserved that extension so early. Other than that, yeah, about that coaching thing…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Sorry, but it's Trent Dilfer
Who, in the same article, proclaimed himself to be the ‘best in the world’ when he played.
Childress didn’t become a head coach by being an idiot. I am no Chilly apologist, but part of the reason Favre has been successful was because he was able to embrace his new role as a part of an offense, not the whole offense.
There is some merit to what Dilfer says, but when Favre tries to do it all himself, eventually disaster unfolds.
There is fault on both parties here, but it’s nothing that they can’t solve.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
Yep.
When they were both playing in the old NFC Central, Dilfer clearly had a huge man crush on Favre. And it’s not like he’s done a lot since to suggest he’s some kind of football genius. I know he won a ring, and good for him, but it’s not like his performance had a lot to do with why the Ravens won a title (in fact, if not for a well timed flag, his performance probably would have prevented the Ravens from winning a title).
Still, it’s kind of funny. Getting called out by Dilfer for doing something stupid is a little like having Andy Reid call you fat.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 30, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Or Amy Winehouse
telling you you’re a drug addict.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
He said that Favre is the best in the world not himself
You misinterpreted the article
by Donald Driver on Dec 30, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
No, he was referring to himself as well
Q: Did you ever have a clash with a head coach?
A: Why do you think I wasn’t there (in Baltimore, after leading the Ravens to Super Bowl XXXV after the 2000-01 NFL season) the next year?
I don’t care about my stats. I had 52 guys in that locker room who would take a bullet for me. I clashed with (former Vikings offensive coordinator Brian Billick). Third and 2, he wanted to run motion across the formation, and we had a double stick pattern to (Ben) Coates and (Shannon) Sharpe.
I threw backside fade to (Qadry) Ismail for 44.
I have the ball in my hand, and I know best. It’s very simple. I depend on you to give me an offensive structure, then let me do what I do.
Think whatever you want about Trent Dilfer. But when I was playing, I was one of the best in the world.
No, Trent thought he was/is. Although he went back and forth between first and third person, making it a bit confusing.
And although MilCardFan is not a proponent of speaking in the third person, MilCardFan is a proponent of blogging in the third person.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
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I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 30, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is not
from the link or from Trent on ESPN after the game, but I’m assuming it’s from somewhere, so props. I will say something though-while Trent was never a great NFL quarterback, he was one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the world for a long time so he is technically right.
by Donald Driver on Dec 31, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah was about to say the same thing
Nothing against crappy qb’s (TJ) but just making it into the NFL means you’ve done a pretty incredible thing.
I think the whole thing is way overblown
but I don’t buy the Favre buying into being a part rather than a whole. He’s pretty much the same as he ever was.
A "tale of two halves"...
As Chilly said after the game. Rumor has it Favre ignored Chilly in second half and called all/vast majority of plays. We know the results. Chilly: let Favre run the offense from here on out. The fans want to win more than support your bruised ego!
I bet
Some fans would like Trent Dilfer to be our coach. Think about it! We already had Mike Tice. It’s the same guy. Some meathead thinks he knows better than so-and-so. Same story, different day.
True that Trent!
True that Dilfer
Great post here. I myself am a firm believer in thinking that Adrian Peterson and the run game needs to be the core of the offense, but the key point about Dilfer’s and Favre’s comments (which I’ll paste below) is that Peterson CAN BE the core, and yet the Vikes can still pass-first, because AD is forcing teams to sell out to the run. This is what we saw in Chicago in the 2nd half: Favre starts being aggressive, we move the ball, the Bears get back in coverage a bit, then AD starts getting productive and laying out punishment.
Also, the comment that Childress is a smart offensive mind, yet he lacks the "artistry, creativity, and intuition, to run a great rythem offense" to me, rings true. As an basketball player, that is very much the case; while defense is all discipline and hustle, offense cannot fully be taught or scripted, it must be creative and "felt" intuitively.
Here are Favre’s comments:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/80354687.html
"If think back through history of football, you say, ‘Hey, we run to open up the pass,’" he said. "That’s just kind of been the old saying. I think it’s always been true. But teams are more pass happy today not only in pros but all the way down. Probably more times this year, especially since Adrian’s been here, the pass has probably been something that’s opened the run up more than you can say run has opened the pass. That doesn’t sound right. But there’s nothing wrong with it, using one to help the other. I say, heck go with what’s working.
"You would think whoever you play will come in to stop Adrian first. I’ve said that throughout this year and I’ll continue to say it. As soon as you say, ‘Ah, the run game [is not working]’ that’s when he’ll take it 70. So I think we’re still going to get a focus on him. We have to capitalize on that and there’s been numerous times this year when we’ve done that and that’s OK. I think it may be a surprise to a lot of people that, ‘Boy, they’re throwing to open up the run.’ I say, you throw if it’s working whether it’s to open up the run or pass or whatever. You do what’s working. We have to be adaptable and go with it. I think for the most part this year we’ve done that."
SKOL Vikings!
A lost additional point
Favre running the West coast offense means a lot of the passes are glorified handoffs anyway.
Someone knows where i can purchase a brainscracther?
Not for me of course for Chilly! I think the problem is that his brain has been itching all this time!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 30, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions
why dis Dilfer? listen to the message
Everyone seems so keen on dissing Dilfer’s credibility. Just freaking listen to what he is saying…that is what you should judge. And before you go running on about what a douche Dilfer is listen to Favre’s presser…..can you do that.
Geez. Thanks Ace991 for clairfying that….though it’s pathetic it should be necessary.
FREE BRETT! (BTW I’ve watched him for 8 years and he looks more solid and squared away than I’ve ever seen him….)
Does this boil down to player v. management? If you read what those dix on nfl.com wrote about the Childress/Favre issue, maybe. But clearly they have to work together and clearly it’s Childress that is the one that needs the attitude adjustment. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilf doesn’t tell him that.
Dilfer may or may not be right
But either way, I fear him making these public comments will make it harder for Childress to back down from whatever he is trying to assert here. So, I kinda wish it had gone unsaid, even if it is right …
Was thinking the same thing
No matter what this should be taken care of behind close doors.
Maybe with a bat…
agree wholeheartedly
with this statement. if we let favre do what he wants and we lose, fine, i can live with that. it’s when chilly tries to put his fingerprints on it and fix what isn’t broken that i go nuts.
FAVRE IS RIGHT
I have been a football fan since 1969 and the vikings have been my team from day 1 But since i live in CA. DURING THE 80’S i had to see many 49er games just to score board watch.BILL WALSH the guy that perfected the west coast offense said you pass to set up the run MIKE HOLMGREN ran, it that way ANDY REID runs it that way JOHN GRUDEN ran it that way.BRETT FAVRE KNOWS THAT IN THE WEST COAST SYSTEM THE PASS OPENS UP THE RUN. CHILLDRESS SHOULD KNOW THIS TOO!
PASS TO RUN OR RUN TO PASS
NOTHING WILL WORK IF THE O-LINE DOES NOT DO IT’S JOB, LIKE BLOCK!
Favre is not
‘tying to do it all himself’ – if he were, EVERY play would be a pass. If you look at this season and say that the run has gotten the Vikes where they are, see an optometrist. You can say Favre embraced being ‘part’ of an offense and be correct. But I hardly look at what the run game has been and how Favre has adjusted plays to try and lift the offense (as all successful QB’s do) as a route to disaster. It’s not like the O’line can run block anywhere near as effectively as it’s pass blocked since Week 3. That’s painfully obvious.
Anyone calling Chilly out for doing something stupid here has a share of merit. No coach that has a top 5 QB currently leashes his QB to stop the audible. they know he sees things better than they can, and trust his vision. Haters just don’t trust Favre, Speed Camp. You qualify, as you are self admitted.
His body of work this year says he has made the adjustments to not only playcalling, but his mental approach and decision making. He has a comparable rating to of Peyton’s, 75 less attempts, all but 4 TD’s, HALF his interceptions. he has not been close to being the sole reason this team has lost any of it’s games. I’d say that he has been part of it twice, it’s never fallen all on him. New season, and the old dog has new twists to his skill set many can’t/refuse to see because of the hate IMO.
Well said, and great points on west coast offense, Bako.
On an unrelated topic, Dilfer was one of the worst Super Bowl winning QB's but............
The man speaks the truth :)
Except for when he tried to liken his situation in Baltimore to Favre's in Minnesota.
In order for that to be the same thing, Dilfer would have had to be as good as Favre, which he’s not. And Dilfer’s kidding himself if he thinks the ONLY reason he got the hook in Baltimore was because he liked to call audibles.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 31, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Zygi will have to speak with Childress
As above posters have suggested, all this talk of giving the keys to Favre could just make Childress dig in his heels. But I wonder if Zygi might just be want to have a chat will Noodle. He (Zygi) could be experiencing a little buyers remorse (well he should) about signing him mid-season, and if the guy doesn’t live in a bubble (he doesn’t look like it) he might be getting a bit frustrated. Afterall, Zygi has publicly stated he wants Favre back…and Favre ain’t comin back to get micromanaged another season.
This is exactly the reaction that I expected when this first broke.
Regardless of who is right or wrong, or even if anyone is or not, dissent is being widely sown theoughout Viking Nation because of this, from the team to the fan base.
You guys really should hope that Chilly and The Bratt are both gone next season.
I’m hoping that they aren’t.
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The glass is more than half-full.
They are
both under contact, but we all know what contracts are made to be… Your hope on the sure bet of Chilly is just silly, and of Favre, resentful and hateful. And likely the hope that you might get revenge for the whoopings he and the Vikes administered this year, next year. Provided he chooses to continue his career. So good luck w/ that.
Dissent? – you know nothing of the Vikings’ locker room, and what happens at DN is just your interpretation, nothing more.
Pot stirrer at best.
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