An Ugly Night for Vikings in Arizona
If the Vikings were going to have a game that needs to be forgotten immediately, I'm glad it came now rather than later. Because this was an ugly, tough-to-watch, all-around terrible game.
After jumping out to a 7-0 lead, the Vikings shut down for the night. Arizona completely took control. The problems were numerous, the gaffes were many, and the game was easily the ugliest of the year for the Vikes.
Take the ingredients of a Vikings win: Get an efficient game out of Favre, get a variety of receivers involved, feed the playmakers, get a productive performance from Adrian Peterson, pressure the opposing quarterback, and make good tackles. None of that happened today. That's the recipe for an embarrassing loss.
Actually, embarrassing puts it too mildly. Favre threw a pair of interceptions -- which, this season, is completely out-of-character for him. A few additional passes probably should have been intercepted. Adrian Peterson was flummoxed by a Cardinals defense that took advantage of a battered Vikings offensive line. Sidney Rice -- Favre's most reliable target this season -- was hardly seen. It seemed like he might have been left behind at the airport. And Shiancoe too, who was also completely absent from the passing attack. Ignoring those two guys is how you lose football games. The Vikings' inability to utilize these weapons was, to put it kindly, confusing.
So with nothing going well on the offensive end -- outside of the opening drive -- the defense was going to have to dominate this one for the Vikings to have any chance. But in a variety of ways, this defense wilted. Kurt Warner barely felt a rush, Anquan Boldin caught a pair of touchdowns before the Vikings even knew what hit them, and incompetent tackling resulted in too many big-gainers for the Cardinals offense. Speaking of guys who could have been left behind at the airport, where was Jared Allen? The Cards did a tremendous job on him.
Things get worse. E.J. Henderson's done for the year. Don't need to wait for the injury report to figure that out. An absolutely devastating and gruesome leg injury in the fourth quarter, after the result of the game was no longer in doubt. What a shame. Doesn't take a doctor to tell you that he has a long road back to the football field. At this point, we just need to hope that he'll be able to return next season at full strength, with his full ability intact. The injury he suffered could, at the very worst, be a career-threatening one. We'll keep you posted.
After taking a 7-0 lead, the Cardinals outscored the Vikings by a 27-10 margin. On top of all the problems I've mentioned, Arizona controlled the field position battle. Hard to cut into a lead when you're deep in your own territory. Hard to cut into a lead when your third down efficiency is horrendous and Favre is getting battered.
Adjustments need to be made. The tackling desperately needs to improve in the weeks ahead, and Antoine Winfield's sure tacking was desperately missed. Warner had all day to throw the ball -- the defensive line wasn't applying anything even resembling a rush on him. The Vikings will once again find themselves without E.J. Henderson, putting pressure on Chad Greenway and Ben Leber to step up. The lack of production from Adrian is frightening. The lack of throws to the best targets in the receiving corps is concerning.
The Vikings leave Arizona as a battered team that will be missing its best linebacker for quite some time. They come home with a lot of changes that need to be made for them to be a competitive team next Sunday -- some related to player execution, others related to game planning. But amidst the endless list of problems from tonight, there's a chance for redemption in front of a friendly crowd next week. Plenty of problems were exposed tonight, and plenty of challenges have emerged -- now we get to see just how resilient this team is.
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We are all shocked in Arizona.
I was expecting a close game, I Don’t know how they won it like that.
And at RotB we all hope that Henderson gets better soon, nobody deserves to take a shot like that. We all felt bad for him when we saw the replay.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 6, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't care about the lose right now
Worried about E.J.. I hope that this wasn’t a career ender, though my gut is telling me otherwise. Will be happy to throw my thoughts on the game tomorrow, but not right now.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 6, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Radio says leg is broken, for sure.
So at least out for the season. The erm…angle his leg took certainly makes it look like it may be longer.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have not seen, but sounds terrible.....
Shame, but hope he is not done for career……season is too much for that matter too….I wish him well, as I know all Viking fans do…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It looked pretty terrible.
Really, really bad. He will most definitely be missed for the rest of the year.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the worst looking
injuries I’ve ever seen. Legs don’t bend that way. I would be surprised if he can be back in football shape within a year. He’s certainly tough, but…
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't know how long he'll need.
I shudder even thinking about it. It’s gross to see; I can’t even imagine the pain he’s in. :(
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was so gross
I cringed when they showed the replay, all thoughts and prayers go out to EJ tonight
Lower Deck Tickets on 50 yard line behind Vikings bench = $119.00
Parking by the Metrodome = $25.00
Souvenir Soda = $6.50
Being there for 296 = Priceless
by Skol Vikes on Dec 6, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Know It's Bad When
they only show the replay once on TV. One time was enough. If they would’ve shown it more than that, it probably would’ve been rated R for violence. Hang tough, EJ.
Watching his brother Erin go out on the cart with him was very touching.
A tough loss – we NEED to win next week. We need to beat a good team other than the Packers.
GO VIKES!
(Go Ravens!)
by JasonAve6413 on Dec 6, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they only show the replay once on TV. One time was enough. If they would’ve shown it more than that, it probably would’ve been rated R for violence.
They learned something from Joe Theisman’s injury.
Prayers to E.J.
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Dec 7, 2009 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know where there is video of it?
I saw the play but missed the hit. I don’t think I can watch “highlights” of this game but I can’t stop thinking about E.J. until I see the play for myself.
by ckb on Dec 6, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like this
SKOL Vikings!!!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can see it at about 4:40ish
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009120610/2009/REG13/vikings@cardinals/watch
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm seeing reports on another site that it's a broken femur
Which I guess can almost be deduced just from watching that replay in slow mo, but … still, the latest.
We had it tivoed, but I could not bear to watch it more than once, when they rewound it to watch again … I turned away.
by puddnhead on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
I have this horrible knot in my stomach – any ideas? (non-alcoholic, please)
by mjmrad on Dec 6, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
non-alcoholic?
does that leave other drugs on the table? heheh
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tea, soft music, and sleep....
Works for me…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Favre is the leader of this team........
He will take controll of the game next week, and all speed ahead from there.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Dec 6, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Other than E.J. getting hurt
this loss is not devastating.
by ckb on Dec 6, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely.
So we get blown out and lose EJ. That’s great.
And thus starts the downward slide of the season. Well it was fun while it lasted, anyway.
My skepticism, so long kept in check this season, has come roaring back and it would appear with very good reason. :(
by Wytefang on Dec 6, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, but...
your team has a 10-2 record and you’re calling it quits?
Pretty lame. :\
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing this team 10-2 could lead to 10-6
Check the history
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Facepalm
OMG OMG OMG THE VIKINGS WILL NEVER WIN EVER AGAIN!!!!!!
SKOL Vikings!!!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could, could, could.
The world could end tomorrow, too. Doubt it’ll happen, but it could. I don’t see this loss as a season-ending loss for the Vikings, sorry.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 games left mark my words it just might happen
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They just might win out too....
Mark my words……
It just might happen!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better end it all now

Nothing left to hope for. :’(
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 6, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
that is really awesome, and got a real laugh from me.
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, am I really crazy here for thinking the season is far from over?
Guys, it was one loss. Chill. Geez.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+28
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 6, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That pic, I believe
is more for vikant’s demeanor than the Vikes season
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know less cowbell wasn't serious.
I’m just talking in general.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh
well, in that case. good luck, all the people that predicted a Favre blow up will be out in force this week
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
Only show their faces when they’re ‘right’. Naturally. :)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again this can be a positive
Only REAL negative is EJ…..
Obviously a W would have been nice….
BUT we definitely will be off the radar now until playoffs….
No more irrational exuberance….we can leave that for Indy and NO….
And in the meanwhile, get back to old fashioned football….
And being ready to NOT lose in the playoffs…because we worked out the weak areas when we had time – during the season….
Others will be sidetracked with the limelight, and this can hurt a team too…does not have to, but does at times….
Our L tonight will cause us to work with a vengeance to get Ws and their stuff together for EJ, themselves, and their fans…..
Just saying…..let ’em talk….we will be getting back to work while they talk…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem is that we were awful at everything at some point. It’s not like we can focus on one or two glaring weaknesses; we certainly don’t need an overhaul but there is PLENTY to work on. Where do we start? A healthy offensive line that can run block is my vote.
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piece by piece
Break it down into general areas, then drill down, fix….
Oline also I would imagine….again I have not seen the game yet, I generally get to a day after…only basing on what I have seen here on DN and what I saw graphically…..
Anyway that is the way I would address the issues, the coaches and players probably have their own methodology…..does not matter, as long as they work on each weak area….
Injuries and replacements also need to be looked at….Are our back ups up to the job? If not who can we get? On EJ, we take care of him, make sure he is getting medical attention (KNOW this will happen)….
Rest of the year we can play for EJ…..dedicate the Ws and season to him…..pschologically address the rout from tonight…..
Etc etc etc…….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Favre's avid haters will be quiet next week
Even if Favre isn’t so fresh as he grows gray hairs through the course of the season he will continue to be surrounded by playmakers. Its easier to rebound if you aren’t wearing a Jets uniform and don’t have a patchwork o-line.
by wazzy on Dec 6, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or a partial tear in your bicep tendon.
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of that
explains the serious dropoff in the quality of his play after Thanksgiving for the three seasons prior to last year.
One possible explanation might be the fact that he doesn’t do OTAs or voluntary minicamps, or do much of anything else to keep himself in marathon-football-season shape during the offseason. (Of course, he fools himself, as well as many others, into thinking that he does that by throwing passes to the Detroit Lions a high school team down in Hattiesburg.
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your problem last night Favre
It was that patch workoffensive line that couldn’t keep him clean.
It was the lackof a consitent running game
But most of all it was what your defense really is against a great QB who can pick apart a defense
the mullet was held in check and your linebackers and secondary were exposed
Now we didnt fair much better but 7 defenseive starters were out for us you so we will get better when they get back
Our offense did put up 33 points against the best defense in the nfl
by simone219 on Dec 7, 2009 6:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha told you so
just kidding.. I think favre will be alright. Never had a problem with his play, just can’t stand him.
by Heech on Dec 7, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me its not
i know i may be getting on your nerves but if this game isnt a red flag i dont know what is. i just dont see this team being able to recover
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take you up on that
So if the Vikes win one more game this year, I win… How much we putting down?
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your saying the Vikes wont beat the Giants,
Bears, or Panthers?
I bet you also believe the worlds gonna end in 2012.
You know nothing about football.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 6, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know nothing about football?
please spare me. this game was a blueprint on how to slow dow out offense and nutralise our pass rush. and its up to us to find away around that. and with this coaching staff i just dont see it.
oh and dont you dare call me a fair weather fan. ive been a vikings fans for 12 years dont plan on changing.
by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincinatti, Carolina, Chicago, and the Giants.
And you don’t see one win in there? Really?
Fairweather fan or…what?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're so sure...
…then show me the money!!
(Ok, that’s my last of these posts as internet better is a pretty lame position to be arguing from, but not more so than the 0-5 end to our season being pushed by this guy)
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what they say about arguing on the internet...
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something about no matter who wins
you’re both still stupid. It’s actually a lot less PC than that, but I’ll keep it clean/nice.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arguing on the internet
Is like winning the special olympics. Either way your still retarded.
by Grime on Dec 7, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, exactly.
Didn’t want to offend, however. :)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then you still win, right?
even if you lose??
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...no, I don't think so.
It’s a lose-lose, really.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes your ____ fall off?
oh noz! where’d it go?
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ruh Roh Raggie!
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Erm...no, but that sounds unfortunate as well.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you "hat" fall off
what do you think I meant… geez
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, right.
Silly me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 6, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
Its a bear head not a Viking. Now you you how bear fans feel this year. Like Anthony21 says lets see how resilent this team can be.
The # 1 seed is out the window but we still have alot to play for.
Do we band together and use this loss as motivation or is it the begining of the end. Every team in this league has been riding high when all of a sudden a team comes around and hands you your ass. Sorry Gonzo. The Cards showed why they were an eyelash from being Superbowl Champions. A good Bengals squad is coming to town so lets circle the wagons and get our swagger back.
We are all disapointed about the game and the injury. Lets get back on the horse and give our best shot. This team has enough talent. It’s about playing our best when it counts the most. SKOL
by iowaron on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will not happen....
Read below MilCardFan….
My thought is that the team will just have to overcome these obstacles (injuries, loss, bad play) and get back to playing good football…
Not easy, but can be done…..We did it in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, and now at the end of the 00’s…..
Will we go all the way? Not sure, but the potential is there…..Winning this thing is not a cakewalk…..
Will we have the intestinal fortitude to turn around this blip, or act like thge end of the season is upon us?
I think THIS team turns it on, overcomes adversity, plays some good ball, and wins…..Let’s see…
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals are really good
The Vikings laid an egg today.
This team is a different team with different players than past teams.
And there are no such things as sports curses.
This game will be the low point of the season. The Vikings will learn from this game and play like they should from here on out.
I won’t guarantee victories over every team they face but I will still guarantee the #2 seed in the NFC. I will also guarantee that they will not be outclassed again this, including the playoffs.
by ckb on Dec 6, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cupcakes be damned
Wasn’t the point of being a fan to be excited for your team? Would anyone in purple have complained in August if given the option of 10-2, with losses only to recent SuperBowl teams on the road?
by wazzy on Dec 6, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you know this team so well,
and have foreseen their destiny, why do you root for them?
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
by cryhavoc on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team has enjoyed too many cupcakes
7-0 vs. cupcake teams.
1-2 vs. winning teams that didn’t lose to the sorriest excuse of an NFL team in 2009.
2-0 vs. the Packers, which is fun, but not especially meaningful.
by KC Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get this
How are the Packer games meaningless. They have lost to two teams other than us. 7-2 in games not against MN qualifies them as a good team
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Packer losses
include the worst team in the NFL (TB), and every one of the only good teams that they have faced. That makes them a bad team.
by KC Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um...beating the Packers twice has put the distance between the teams.
If they’d won, we wouldn’t have this lead in the division. Hardly meaningless.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 6, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
but this is the easiest or 2nd easiest division in the NFL. Both had the Lions and Bears on their schedules twice. The Pack had TB, STL, and CLE (the only 3 teams with only 1 win as of now), too. Every time they played a good team (or the Bucs), the Packers lost. That means that they are a bad team with a favorable schedule, so bad that they couldn’t even capitalize on the freebies.
by KC Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it was inevitable
One ugly loss and the wailing begins …
by puddnhead on Dec 6, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic
I was a Twins fan in August and I never gave up.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 6, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Try being a Royals fan
so I do know exactly what it’s like to watch poorly coached losing teams. This year, the Vikings are supposed to be the real deal, Super Bowl contenders, even. There are 2 NFL teams with ZERO losses after 12 games, and the Cardinals were last year’s top dog from the NFC. This game was an example of how the Childress braintrust planned to defeat a real Super Bowl team. How can you be so complacent? Why is it just enough to rack up 10 regular season games and go home?
I’m not interested in mediocrity or above average. Not with this degree of talent.
Anyone who isn’t upset about this very ugly loss (and many of the coaching decisions that could have ended several careers tonight for nothing) is used to being a fan of the normally mediocre Minnesota Vikings. The sorts who probably even praised Denny Green for choosing not to take a shot downfield with the most dangerous WR to ever play the game. The types who didn’t care about wins so much as games played by Tarvaris Jackson, including being anti-Favre for the same non-reason.
Go ahead and profess your love for complacent mediocrity. Just don’t pretend that it’s cool.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go root for the yankees and Saints then
Just don’t pretend bandwagoning is cool. My point about the Twins was they went on to win the AL Central Division. I’m glad I didn’t give up as easy as you and Vikant do.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not rooting for the Yankees (they have no salary cap in MLB, and, as I’ve mentioned, I’m a Royals fan) or the Colts or Saints. I root for the Vikings because I’m a native Minnesotan.
Go on believing that the Twins won because of you.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said it had to do with me?
Other than supporting them AND NOT GIVING UP ON THEM, which again is the point. Go on believing giving up is the way to win anything, “Skyways.”
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
This game was an example of how the Childress braintrust planned to defeat a real Super Bowl team.
This is what scares me the most. Childress – and even Frazier – have a hard time adjusting on the fly.
by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
these guys got out coached. Players may not have won the game even with a plan. But it the coaches were not helping a talented team to overcome good strategy and play by their opponent.
by uncle rico on Dec 7, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The Twins only played 7 regular season games vs. winning teams (the Tigers) in September. The Twins proved that they could compete, going 4-3 and winning the playoff game (some would say that they didn’t really deserve that and won it on a non-call which would have walked the winning run home). Had they been able to dominate good teams like the Tigers rather than simply hang with them and do better than 0-7 vs. the Yankees in the regular season, they may have lasted another round or made it to the World Series or at least won a playoff game.
That is what’s happening with the Vikings. They have lost to both of the 2008 Super Bowl teams and beaten nobody special. The Twins also had a relatively easy schedule, and it didn’t prepare them for games against real contenders. Thank you for bringing up this excellent example of what is wrong with the Vikings’ smokescreened 10-2 record.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Smokescreened 10-2?"
Skyways, you are an idiot. Yanquis payroll $201M, Twins $65M. The Tigers played the same teams we did.
The steelers are 6-6 and lost to the Raiders. The Cards are 8-4 but lost to the 49ers, whom we beat! Does the phrase “Any given Sunday” mean anything to you?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets all go to the bar and drown our sorrows
The sky is falling, Oh waaay I can’t take it anymore. Hey we got exposed tonight.
Every team in this league can be beat. No one has a lock on anything. The Saints got lucky today. A missed 23 yard field goal. Please! Some times you get the breaks. No one will remember any of this if we win it all. We got a shot, along with about a half dozen other teams at winning the prize. Lets just keep our heads up. We will get our chance lets hope we make the best of it.
by iowaron on Dec 7, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 losses
You are in deeper denial than I’d have guessed.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah 10-2
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s snowing here, so yeah kinda! Both of you have valid points tho.
by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said "one ugly loss"
The other loss was NOT an “ugly loss.” There is only one ugly loss. Hell, the Steeler loss in some ways was ironically one of our best played game of the year!
So … me not thinking the sky started falling after the first loss to the Steelers means, to you, that “I am in deep denial?” Seriously, that’s where you want to go, that that first (also road) loss to the Steelers proved we are pretenders.
If you really want to go there, I’m fully prepared to tell you where to also go with that attitude!
by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vs. PIT
That was an all-around sloppy game. Normally, when a good team plays another good team when that other good team is having a bad day, it’s a win, but the Vikings also played down to the Steelers and lost.
You probably didn’t count a 2-pt win vs. the worst team ever as an ugly loss, but it was ugly also.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, OK
You are right, I do not consider “wins” to actually be “losses.” LOL, “got me,” I guess?!?
I guess if you want to redefine the English dictionary itself, yes you can always find a way to characterize my statement of “one ugly loss for the season” as “denial of reality.”
But if you want to start reading my words as being in another language than the standard American Englih that I wrote them in, then …. whatever.
by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a present for them.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
by cryhavoc on Dec 7, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
Chill dude!
I’ve never seen as many “sky is falling” comments from fans with a team about to get a first round bye!
SKOL Vikings!!!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I don’t know if I’d go that far. You guys are 10-2. The Cardinals are just a solid team that matches up well against you.
by packallday555 on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's it then.
When a Packers fan is more optimistic about the Vikings season than certain Viking “fans” on DN, somethings wrong. The only place the sky is falling is on DN. We’re still playoff bound after all! Cheese us Geezus!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken. The problem is that we lost to a decent/good team and played lethargically throughout. It’s not so much the loss but the manner in which we lost.
Skol Vikings!
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It WAS a tough loss
But the season is far from over!
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I think the Cardinals are better then decent to good. When their o-line can block for Warner their offense is virtually unstoppable. Fitz and Boldin are both top 5 WRs and Breaston is pretty impressive too.
Their defense is a bit of a mystery though. They show flashes of brilliance, and then look horrendous other times.
by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather have had the Vikings play well
and get completely outclassed?
This game sucked but the Vikings won’t ever play that badly again this season. I will guarantee that.
by ckb on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I second this.
I think last night was a huge kick in the butt for this team. They’ll realize they need to step up their game. They will be fine.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yes, I do.
I don’t understand your mentality at all. One game lost and you’re giving up all hope for the team. Every team has the potential for a bad day. The Vikes got theirs out of the way. You can continue to think the season is over and watch with negativity; I choose not to. Different strokes.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
i just see things differently than you do. and if they make the playoffs and then what? choke in the first round. Then we get rdiculed by bears and packer fans. ive been watching this team for all long as i can remeber and iam tired of getting all worked up only to be punched in the gut. put iam not going to stop rooting for them.
by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12 WHOLE years!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 8, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, give or take a year.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 8, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're a dumbass wytefang, along with craig in calgary.
the sad thing is I didn’t realize it until after the Arizona game.
by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Devastating loss
And every team has a mulligan, so it’s not the on-field performance. I’m not worried about Favre, or AP, or anyone on offense. It’s a regression to the mean, and at the end of the day, the performance of the offense will be secondary when taken in the greater context of what happened in Arizona tonight.
The loss of EJ Henderson, in such a devastating manner, along with both starting cornerbacks, has changed the course of the season. The drop off from Henderson to Jasper Brinkley isn’t the focus, it’s the psychological impact of Henderson’s injury that worries me.
We lost our best player on defense in high school. Yes, high school isn’t the pros, but psychology is the same. We weren’t the same, and it affected us the rest of the season. Our spiritual leader was gone, and it just wasn’t the same.
This will be a tough pill for both the team, and the fans, to have to swallow.
"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."
--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre
by MilCardFan on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They need Winfield back next week
Not if he isn’t healthy of course. But if he can play, the Vikings need him.
That can counter the effect of losing E.J.
by ckb on Dec 6, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Learn from it and move on, psychology be damned.
Not to diminish your analysis MilCardFan, the DJ was done most of last year as well. Someone on that defense will step up into the leadership role. It may be Ben Leber who will call the plays or it could be Jared Allen, but somebody will. Griffin’s injury look more to be a neck stinger and hopefully his minor. We need Griffin and Antoine Winfield back on the field next week.
Speaking of injuries that show, Anthony Herrera being out again was evident on the offense of the line. I’d be curious to see the running stats since he has been sidelined. I would wager there’s a significant drop in production. Hopefully he will be on the field next weekend as well.
I like your term of viewing this as a Mulligan. I think in the end that is exactly what it will be.
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
by Luft Krigare on Dec 6, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
correction.
EJ was done… is what I meant to type
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
by Luft Krigare on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is EJ the +1
of the mulligan?
I don’t know if its worth it. If EJ was okay I would not be worried at all but he clearly isn’t.
by ckb on Dec 6, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EJ's loss will be felt
But the defense can get through it. They can use it as inspiration to take it to the next level. As far as the Mulligan, it will be as long as the offense rebounds next week and maintains their high level for the rest of the season.
It may take a village to raise a child, but it takes a Viking to raze a village.
by Luft Krigare on Dec 6, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just ugh
about the only thing is that garbage time Harvin TD might have put in me in one of my leagues’ playoffs
by Hjorvarthr on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
Shot me from 5th to 1st. Still pissed that Favre and Harvin were in there at that point of the game. I bet Chili had Fharvin on his fantasy team.
by noblepete on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we had a bad day
maybe a very bad day when you count EJ but this team is better then that and they will learn from it. Bring on Cincy!
We have several rookies playing already Jasper better be ready to step up. I know he is a hard hitter.
Skol Vikings!
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Dec 6, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Remember when the Cards were thought to be doomed for a season of post-SB sucktitude?
Obviously, the Cards are for real again, possibly better than they were last season.
This was the big test for the Vikings, and they didn’t even compete.
Losing EJ is terrible (and how much worse would it have been to lose Hutch, McKinnie, and Loadholt also?), so why were Favre and AP still in the game so late? Were the coaches trying to insure a better draft pick already or what?
by KC Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That contract extension for Childress is sounding eerily premature right about now.
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it was premature
no matter how this season played out
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Not saying he wouldn’t have deserved one after it’s all said and done, but I didn’t like the timing at all.
by Anthony21 on Dec 6, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now he has nothing to prove
because he is ensured to be back next season. its shameful
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
head coach is one of the least secure jobs ever. even with a contract you have a pretty good chance of not seeing the end of the season.
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're kidding, right?
“he has nothing to prove now” … are you SERIOUSLY saying that the only thing that motivates Childress is money? He doesn’t care about winning, making it to the championship game & superbowl, all that?
Seriously?!?
My god some people here are NEGATIVE …
by puddnhead on Dec 6, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vikes fans
Masochists at heart. Why else would we route for a team that breaks our hearts like clockwork. I know we have a great season still, but I really wanted to make that ‘’move bitches, get our our way’’ statement tonight.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He cares about more than money
but a coach with 1 year on his contract has less leverage to be stubborn, etc..
For instance, it probably wasn’t coincidental that he begged Favre to play for him when it appeared that he may be fired after stubbornly sticking with Tarvaris Jackson despite his poor performance in 2007 and early 2008. Nor was it coincidence that he and Bevell listened to the players more this year with their jobs seemed to be on the line.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Outcoached
Childress and his offensive staff consistently bring an over-talented team to big games like scared children. I don’t think he has any idea going into AZ what a winning game plan looks like. The instant that Arizona went up he should have forced his offense into a grinding run game with Adrian Petersen slowing, and eventually reversing, any momentum that the Cardinals might have taken on special teams. Why does AP never get hand-offs between the tackles in the first half any more? By going to the pass and occasional pitch, which every defense in the league will be keyed on to protect the edges in the first several drives, the Vikings force their offensive line to establish themselves laterally against stacked and stunting defensive fronts. How can you expect your hogs to be physically dominant when you require that they run after stunting run defenses toward the edge? Who cares if we have to punt a couple times in the first quarter if by the third and fourth quarters we have moved the line of scrimmage into the defense’s part of the field and gassed their playmakers up front? The Vikings pass protection is as good as their ability to wear down defensive linemen with the hardest hitting running back in the league. Also, why doesn’t Childress realize that Favre can still throw the ball from outside of the pocket? I’m not a mastermind, but a timely boot would seem to be the logical progression from frequent double tight end sets.
by wazzy on Dec 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
U read my mind
You must have, because your post reads exactly what I was thinking as I watched the game. I would have fed the Cards a heavy dose of AD with an occasional touch of Chester Taylor and slowed the game down to a grinding, rolling one. With the backs we have, we definitely can wear out a team. Even with our patchwork line, I still think we could have run the ball a lot better than we did. But once they went up we decided to keep tossing the rock around and as is the case when you do that, bad things happen. Run first, which will eventually open up the pass, just as we used to do.
by rube6642 on Dec 7, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to have a game like this
I would just as soon get it out of the way now, than later.
Losing EJ is obviously going to create a major problem that we now have to overcome. All of my best wishes go out to him as he works to recover from this injury.
Looking at the standings, nothing really changed that much. We are still in fantastic shape for the #2 and ALL playoff games to be played indoors. No post-season slippin’ and slidin’ for #28.
We are facing adversity now, but I think this team will respond well.
Go Vikes!
by Sonic on Dec 6, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL`
the turkey callers on outward bound are driving my cat insane
by archie2227 on Dec 6, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do feel the worse for EJ just hope his carrer is not over
And tyrell johnson wow dude is just being torn apart on the radio right now
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our safeties
are hot garbage. How else to put it?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
KC Viking
your all know what do you suggest we do about this safety problem
by Vikant on Dec 6, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This problem has been years in the making.
I don’t claim to know all, but I’ll answer your question anyway.
I would have moved Cedric Griffin to his natural position, FS, in 2007 or 2008 instead of signing Madeiu. I’d have kept the likely future HoFer Darren Sharper at SS. I’d have signed a FA to compete for the 2nd CB position and drafted either WR DeSean Jackson or CB Terrell Thomas. If DeSean Jackson in 2008, then also a CB like Brandon Carr instead of JD Booty in 2008 and Vontae Davis or Darius Butler instead of Percy Harvin this year. If Terrell Thomas in 2008, then draft the same players this year.
Alternately, I’d have drafted Richard Marshall instead of Cedric Griffin in the first place. It’s usually easier and cheaper to sign a quality safety (or convert a CB to S later in his career, something that will probably happen with Winfield and could have already happened since he’s such a great tackler had the organization prioritized the CB position).
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharper
is gone for a reason. Frankly, he might as well have been Brian Russell back there. He does not fit into the Cover-2 scheme at all. Also, have you watched a Saints game? The reasons we let him go are evident on almost every play. He is terrible in run support, he can’t tackle (though he does come up and make a WOW hit on a receiver who doesn’t see him coming now and then), and he is way too aggressive. The reason Williams sucks right now is because he is getting nosy, jumping up on receivers that running right past him. Sharper did that about 17 times last year.
Our problem is that we keep trying to sign ‘play makers’ at the safety position. A good Cover-2 safety is somebody you never hear from. they stay in their zone, don’t give up big plays, and can tackle. Dwight Smith, Darren Sharper, M. Williams…none of those guys fit that description.
by tuckerbjt on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a Pro Bowler half the time he was in MN
so he couldn’t have been that bad. All he did was lead the league in INTs one year that he was here, too. You wouldn’t want that to happen ever again! He had more tackles last year than he’d had in 5 years, so if Childress and Frazier had decided that a few run support tackles were more important than a bunch of INTs, that goes to show that the problem wasn’t so much Darren Sharper so much as not knowing how to use an extremely productive and special player.
I don’t care about whether a guy is a good cover-2 fit because a good D mixes up different schemes and doesn’t let the opponent figure out 100% of their tendencies on film week to week. (Didn’t it look like Warner knew where the holes would be the entire time?) I would expect D-backs to be able to tackle and cover and play zones. I guess that’s too much to ask.
Just last night, I noticed that the CBs were always on the same side of the field rather than lining up on a specific WR. The WRs are expected to use all of their leg/hip/ab muscles to turn in any direction and run any route, but the CBs were expected to use the same specific muscles over and over when they could merely switch sides with their WRs and basically have fresh legs for a good portion of the game. And it would make sense to force Larry Fitzgerald to beat the best CB on the team, but I suppose the Vikes don’t really have anybody that good in their secondary (minus Winfield) anyway.
Dwight Smith came to MN from the Bucs specifically to help usher in the Tampa-2 scheme. He was let go for having sex in a stairwell of a night club, not for a lack of productivity.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Russell
Yeah, he was terrible, wasn’t he? Led the league in picks, 78 tackles…better get rid of him. 2 other teams thought enough of him to start him for 4 more years after he left MN (for a longer than average career).
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying
That what we have now is better. I’m saying it was obvious and is still obvious why we let him go. Sharper would not have 8 picks if he was with the Vikings. And yes, agree, a good defense should mix up its schemes and not be so obvious tendency-wise. But we don’t.
Also, along the lines of your flopping the CBs comment, why don’t we flop Allen and Edwards every once in a while? Just to shake up the match ups if nothing else.
For the record, I liked Russell, thought we should have held on to him. Just saying that Interceptions are not necessarily a great way to measure safeties. D. Smith was the worst tackler of everybody mentioned. If you think playing good defense is all about getting interceptions, you are not paying attention.
by tuckerbjt on Dec 7, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharper would not have 8 picks if he was with the Vikings
He had a season like that with Minnesota before, so I don’t see why not.
Good point about the DEs, and there were a few plays like that last night. KWill played RE and Allen went to LE (I may have those mixed up, but I know Edwards was on the sideline and KWill was not lined up as a DT). I hated seeing Pat Williams in coverage. There was no pressure on Warner, and some of that was because nobody had to block Pat!
I don’t think INTs are the best measure of safeties, but I do think that tackling and plays on the ball (PD and INT) are important for DBs in general. Several NFL simulators and video games prioritize speed and hands for safeties, and scouting reports do the same. The safety should be in the best position to read the throw and make a play on the ball in most schemes. An INT or fumble recovery is really the best possible result for any defensive, so it can’t be unimportant.
The worst thing about losing Russell was that he had simply fallen into the organization’s lap, been productive, and wasn’t traded or anything. Sharper replaced him at FS and had one of the best years of his career there, so perhaps Sharper should have stayed at FS. The whole slew of decisions regarding the defensive backfield is just baffling to me.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I will just reiterate that Sharper had that huge season in 2005, and I don’t think we had started our conversion to the cover-2 yet. (Not until Tomlin in 2006 right?)
My only complaint with Frazier is that it seems like we don’t make huge adjustments during games. We seem to stick with the game plan to the point that we will keep doing things that don’t work. Maybe that is why we have had some poor second halfs? All conjecture.
by tuckerbjt on Dec 8, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s putting it nicely. And here I was dumb enough to think that Johnson and Williams would have a breakout year. Shame on me.
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Darren, where art thou?
So long as Antoine is around for the playoffs it might not matter so much, as the garbage will have less to stink up. I’d feel better if the safeties at least made a big hit or two while watching themselves get blown by.
by wazzy on Dec 7, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Our safety scheme is to play back and not give up the deep ball…yet…time after time tonight they get absolutely ROACHED on the deep 1 on 1….like…not even close. So if you are going to play back in no man land and never try to disrupt the middle…..just sit back and play timid?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha that might be better than watching T. Johnson wiff on angles to make tackles…wasn’t his athleticism supposed to contain these deep balls?
by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharper couldn't tackle either
And he’s slower than our safeties…don’t miss him…
by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he’s returned how many turnovers for touchdowns in slow motion this year? He’s clearly winding down, but would you really not want him lining up in the secondary next week?
by wazzy on Dec 7, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I wouldn't
About 90% of his picks have been handed to him by either lucky breaks or bad QB’s…not impressed.
by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So that makes it unimpressive? The guy is a legitimate candidate for defensive MVP. He wasn’t a great fit for the Vikings scheme but he is definitely better then Johnson or Williams. Give credit where credit is due.
by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They look like they were handed to him because he was in position. That’s not a coincidence.
by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More so
I bet Cincy is just pissed that the ‘genious’ chilly got M. Williams from them in free agency huh? Perhaps there was a reason that an at the time horrid defense didn’t want him back.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 6, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he play for Frazier at one point or something too? Either way, it hasn’t turned out well.
by cutlassbob on Dec 6, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh
What else can you say boys? A horrendous mar on an otherwise great season, 10-2 and still in very strong command of the NFC # 2 seed. The only thing that REALLY matters from tonight was the loss of not only a good football player, but a great man. EJ, our thoughtsare with you man.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our safties are
Piles of bloody diarrea. i mean i rather watch a donkey show then watch Willams and Johnson play another down. god their worse than getting shot in the neck. might as well put me and my grandmother out there to cover. wed do a better job God. they are worse than cancer
by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Um...wow.
Really?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
safeties are supposed to make WR’s mess themselves, not their fans, right? If Williams and Johnson are going to develop like many of us thought they would, games like this will make them pissed off, nasty people on the field in the rest of the season..
by wazzy on Dec 7, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I’d say cancer, a terrible disease not to be mocked, is far far worse than our bad safeties.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I apoligise
if i offenened any one with my comments i am sorry
by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its cool man
we’re all pissed. Just can’t go some places ya know?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jepp the Viking: True. I too apologize if I mistakenly equated real, serious pain with minor, frivolous disappointment. Wasn’t what I had in mind.
by wazzy on Dec 7, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prayer for ej though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tb12jQtskE
please lord guide him safely to a safe recovery.
by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It’s never fair out there. E.J. might not make it back on the field, but I can’t think of a player on this team that I have more respect for as an individual. Hope it’s not as bad as it looks and we get to see him at the helm again.
by wazzy on Dec 7, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God for him being an amazing athlete...
So that he can recover…b/c I know I never could.
I had some tears in my eyes when he and his brother were on the cart…
by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
off subejct
did any see Vikings fan in arizona"s sign in the game?
by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOTS!
but probably not on TV…
Not a lot of action going on our end/corner last night… and I had some complaints from Cards fans behind me, so I tried to keep the sign up during ‘non-action’ moments, until the end of the game.
I did a lot of North/South with the sign so it wouldn’t obstruct spectators behind me.
AND… I got a lot of Vikings fans attention in the tailgating area and entrances.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 7, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need Winfield back...
We need real leaders on the defense now that EJ is gone…while Pat and Kevin are there, they really only can help control the line…
by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Settle Down!!!! It will be okay!!
First off…. Our two losses so far this season are teams that were in the Superbowl as of last year! Another thing to think about is that this game will most likely get a chance to be replayed!
Vikings are on their way to go onto a #2 seed. If that happens, they’ll most likely play against the winner of the WC game that involves the AZ Cardinals. If that so happens, we get a rematch, and we will get it at home. Coming off of a bye week, while all players are well-rested & healed up. Cardinals will maybe go into that game a little over-confident, and Vikings will go into that game with thoughts of revenge.. It’ll be at home which will make it difficult for the Cardinals.
Defensively, the Vikings didn’t get a real good chance to know which QB to prepare for. With the decision last minute, that may have affected them.
Offensively, our O-line was battered up. This gave AP no open lanes to run, forcing Favre to throw often and under pressure. Throwing often & under pressure can result in picks.
The only true traumatic issue of tonights game was a loss of a great LB. Now a new LB has to come in & step it up. With a full 100% healthy return of A. Winfield, that may be the edge that levels it all out.
On an additional note, defensively, the tackling was purely ugly. Numerous missed tackles, and tackles that still let the player gain additional yardage. Happened numerous times.
Around halftime, I kept thinking to myself, are the Vikings intentionally throwing this game? I mean, I know that they can do better offensively. Their #s were bad… Even though, they played horribly, they still managed 17 points on the board.
The edge is now off of the NO Saints.. Let’s hope they start a losing streak (NY Giants went 5-0 and than lost 4 & Denver Broncos won 6 straight with a few straight losses)
However, lets hope it doesn’t happen to the Vikings and we should be in great shape.
by Deek on Dec 7, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There goes the New Stadium!
I hope none of the boys will be caught for SPEEDING tonight…the only one might be Chillydog trying to get out of town pass the waiting media.
by bemidjimike on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
at the game.
What has happened to our offensive line? I mean the pass protection is o.k, but the run blocking is horrible. We used to watch games on Sunday just waiting for the moment when Adrian would bust out for 60 or 70 yarder for a TD. This doesn’t happen any more because we are a pass first team, and never beat the opposing teams defensive line down. We need to go out and run the ball for the first quarter, give adrian and chester some touches regardless of if we might have to punt the ball away to start the game. I also think that we need to start running the ball left, especially when the ball is lined up on the right side of the field. Great runners need space to make people miss, and running right every single play is not working.
by zbunde on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Upset Week.
Been a bad week for most good teams
Saints nearly losing to a bad team – w/ the luck of fluke plays to help them with the win.
Patriots lose to the dolphins
Steelers lose to the Raiders
Titans had their winning streak come to and end with the Colts.
Dallas lost to the NY Giants (Helps gives us breathing room with the 1st round bye.)
Now the Cowboys and Eagles make the push for the division.
Another loss, could be a blessing in disguise…
Lots of stuff to work on obviously.. No reason to Panic!
by Deek on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really can't stand the ship jumpers.
Honestly- if some of you really feel as negatively about the Vikings as your typed words make it seem, what makes you guys keep coming back if 10-2 through 12 games (both losses vs conference champions at their place) isn’t good enough up until this point? We had an ugly game where not much at all went right and a lot went wrong. If we had this kind of effort in a playoff game, maybe some of the things being said by the downers would be warranted but right now it is an overreaction of epic proportions.
The Cardinals were stomped by us at home last year then their season immediately went off a cliff… Oh wait, it didn’t and our current season isn’t either even if total douches like Vikant want you to think that.
Some would argue a loss like this isn’t a bad thing for a team (the injuries obv don’t help anything). Last I recall, a 15-1 Vikings season doesn’t end well.
And everyone ripping Childress needs to slow their roll. He’s wrong to ‘fans’ like you no matter what and bitching doesn’t help- it just makes fans who still appreciate this organization and the people in it hate you.
by drew10 on Dec 7, 2009 6:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
because people like you try to find some way to justfy this performance
this type of thing always happens to the vikings an it usaly triggers some thing terrible
by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too early to absorb yet
The Cardinals played a fine game, congrats to them on a victory.
The Vikings played their worst game of the season, and paid the price for it. More, they paid for it with the loss of E.J. Henderson. This was a devastatingly expensive loss.
It wasn’t the poor play on any one Viking player… the whole team looked like they were walking in their sleep. And yeah, that includes Favre, he looked like crap out there last night, no one gets a free pass on this one.
It’s too early yet to nit-pick into details of who did what wrong… you can be sure that every Viking is waking up today feeling a lot worse than anyone here on this blog, and that there’s going to be a long line of guys going in to see E.J. . Losing one game sucks, losing the man who’s the captain of your D, and probably a friend to many of them, is a lot worse.
There’s a lot of posts up here, weeping and wailing and gnashing teeth… worries about what this one loss means for the rest of the season. I know folks are upset and need to vent, but go easy on the hemlock juice; you’re not the only ones upset and being part of a stampede is really not much better than standing in front of one. Give it a day, think about it, get some perspective on it before declaring the season over.
Don’t forget to whisper a prayer for E.J., he can probably use it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Dec 7, 2009 6:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone Your speaking out of frustration right and not a sense of ignorant knowledge?
1 loss, 1 loss, come on, we was too caught up in our selves and that’s what the Vikings should learn, and We must give Peterson the ball more, and use a different running scheme because this one isn’t working at all!
Why Do People Question The Vikings' Status?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 7, 2009 7:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not just the Oline
peterson plays aprt in this as well. look at the way chester attacks the hole
by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Safeties play was atrocious
Apparently a rookie can completely outplay a healthy Tyrell Johnson. Well, start the rookie (Sanford).
by medicineball on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The safeties have been bad all season. The troubling part is there might be a personnel/scheme dischord (a hallmark of the Childress regime), on top of it. Johnson, well, he may just not be an NFL player, but he was considered a more “in the box” type player coming out. And watching him with the Purple, he just doesn’t seem comfortable in space and shows very poor instincts. And Williams was brought in for coverage skills, but he’s an extremely poor tackler and isn’t physical at all; he looks like an overpaid nickel corner. Considering the classic cover-2 safety is a hard hitter/intimidator who plays zone coverage but is aggressive and instinctual enough to stuff the run with urgency (e.g., Bob Sanders, Jon Lynch, Mike Brown), neither of Minnesota’s guys seem to fit the bill.
They’ve invested a lot in the position—both in salary and draft value—over the past couple years, so it’ll suck if they have to go to that well again. But it’s been pretty unacceptable this year.
by jianfu on Dec 7, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone was bad.
Offensive Line: D- A couple of times I thought they were pass protecting on run plays they were so far back in our territory after the snap. They also were back in Favres face most of the night causing hurried throws and deflections.
Running backs B- They tried, they failed but I blame this much more on an poor rush block from the line than the running backs having serious issues.
Receivers: C They didn’t get open, the hot routes weren’t there. They weren’t terrible but most of them never got the ball moving like we’re used to.
QB: D- I know the line was piss poor but I expect Brett to be able to call off at the line. He should have seen some of the blitzes coming and handled them better. He was getting pressured all day long and should have either got his hot routes set up or changed the play calling (We should bench him his season is over)
D Line D- No pressure on Warner. If I see Jared Allen throw an arm at a running back one more time I’m going to shoot him with a bow. They did not have the dominant pressure on Warner that they should have. And they stopped the run as well as a knitting circle could have.
Linebackers: Not going to grade them due to the horrific injury suffered by EJ. When something that bad happens, well you have to cut some people a break. All prayers to him and his family.
Secondary: F- maybe a 0. I’m pretty sure Boldwin will be using this film next time he does his contract negotiations… Our Safeties were either paid off or on drugs there is no reason they should have sucked that badly last night. And the tackling was simply atrocious.
Special Teams C- Poor tackling again let the Cards have great field position. We returned decently when we had the chance but we gave them to good of field position.
Coaching: D+ No, none, nada,. zip changes to the game plan. It was a terribly called game. In the second qtr they showed signs of brilliance but penalties and stupidity sold that drive out.
Refs C- they need to go back to ref school to look up tapes on what pass interference is, even Collinsworth was stating they weren’t calling it… Not that it lost us the game, but it did suck.
by Grime on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absurd posts ...
I like to browse through here after games to get a feel for Viking nation and for the most part it is good with good opinions, but this is crazy. You people act like every team should just lay down for us and of course lets whip the the whipping boy Childress it’s all the coaches fault. Really, is it really the coaches fault… have you ever played organized football? Do you people always overreact like this?
Sometimes you get punched in the mouth and you eat a !@# sandwich, that’s football.
by d_marschke on Dec 7, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Just seemed like typical Cards to me
One day they can look dreadful, the next they murder you. I’m of the opinion a reality check every so often is good for a team; I wouldn’t fret, your lot’s the best team in the division (annoyingly) so there’s no need to panic…
by rudi on Dec 7, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Arizona should have laid down and known their place
Just kidding. man i love playing with people’s emotions
by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holding
I’m surprised nobody has even said the word here. I’m not naive enough to think that the Vikings could have won last night, but didn’t everybody else notice how much the Cards line was holding Allen and Williams?
Granted, the refs were calling a consistent game, but I thought the Cardinals could have been flagged a number of times. A really poor officiating day all around. Can’t believe you can award the Saints the ball in overtime…not sure it was even a fumble. Then Sensabaugh was clearly held as Brandon Jacobs rambled down the sideline for what was the game-winning touchdown. Right in front of the ref!! Sensabaugh certainly would have been able to push Jacobs out of bounds. Huge play.
Anybody else have a strange giddy sensation watching Favre get into gunslinger mode? I wish he was still a Packer, so we could intercept him still.
by tuckerbjt on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Snap Out of It
1. Most real beneficial learning occurs by making mistakes and deciding what to do about it before it’s too late.
2. Favre was confused by the “amoeba” defense, which only teams with a fast enough secondary can make work. It was better to have initially faced this issue now than in the playoffs, so countermeasures can be practiced.
3. The offensive line got dinged up early in the game, which means you have people in positions who did not get the reps to prepare for the Cardinals in practice this week. However, please note that Jon Cooper and Ryan Cook came in and there were no false starts.
4. Winfield would not have missed some of the tackles that were seen last night.
5. This phase of getting speeding tickets and reading about how great we are needed to pass so the serious work of improving the play with real dedication can commence. Yes, this is December, when opponents start playing like their season depends on it.
6. Yes, in some games the zebras are going to allow holding and pass interference. The correct response is to be prepared for it, espeically in away games. This is football. People cheat.
7. Jasper Brinkley, the NFL is calling you. This is your debut. (Under the present circumstances it would be in rather poor taste to use that old show biz line.) Good luck. Make Rick Spielman and your mother proud.
8. Football is a game played by humans. Only one Super Bowl was ever won by a so-called “perfect” team. Secret agents from Miami are at work as I type, doing their evil best to protect that sacred stockpile of champaign.
9. This is football, Not having someone on injured reserve was making my spreadsheet nervous.
10. The real threat to the Minnesota Vikings is not what happened historically while Bud was coaching. The real threat is a rich guy named Ed Roski building a stadium out here in California, but most Minnesotan’s just don’t get it.
by Elgar on Dec 7, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As always...
A solid voice for the Viking Nation…
I agree that the play calling went Ultra-Conservative early in the game after some minor injuries.
There were 1 or 2 ‘downfield’ plays called that ended up not ‘working’…
That Cardinals Defense is good when they are on their ‘A’ game and we saw it last night.
Now… move on. Let’s get ready for the Bengals and the rest of the season – OGAAT!
GO VIKES!!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 7, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony...
Congrats, amigo. This article is linked on the Vikings’ page at Sports Illustrated’s website. Not sure if this is a normal thing, but I thought it was neat.
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Dec 8, 2009 8:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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