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The 2008 Arizona Cardinals.

The 2007 New York Giants.

The 2006 Indianapolis Colts.

Those three teams have a couple of things in common.  The first is that they all went to the Super Bowl.  Two of those three teams, the Giants and Colts, won the Super Bowl in the years listed.  But that's not the main thread that connects them. . .not for the purposes of this post, at least.

Each of those three teams went on to represent their conference in the biggest game of the year. . .and they each had a game late in the season where they got their butts collectively handed to them in a manner that made people wonder if they were legitimate contenders or not.

Remember Minnesota's trip to Arizona last season?  Tarvaris Jackson threw four touchdown passes, Adrian Peterson ran wild, and the Vikings blasted the Cardinals to the tune of 35-14. . .and that wasn't even the worst loss the Cardinals suffered that month, as they went out the next week against the New England Patriots and got hammered by a score of 47-7.  But, lo and behold, five weeks after the loss to the Patriots, there they were, representing the NFC in the Super Bowl, and were two minutes away from winning the whole ball of wax.

Star-divide

How about the 2007 Giants?  Does the Vikings' trip to the Giants Stadium that year ring any bells for anybody?  Going into the game without Adrian Peterson, the Vikings got a 60-yard Jackson to Sidney Rice touchdown on the second play from scrimmage, intercepted Eli Manning four times (returning three of them for touchdowns), and throttled the Giants 41-17.  But the Giants just kept on going despite the blowout, and a couple months later they went to the Super Bowl and derailed what would have been the only 19-0 season in NFL history by knocking off the Patriots.  The 2007 Vikings?  8-8, and watching the playoffs from home.

The 2006 Colts?  In Week 14, they lined up against their division rivals from Jacksonville. . .and got thrashed in every conceivable way.  The Colts gave up 375 rushing yards. . .yes, three hundred and seventy-five yards allowed on the ground. . .en route to a 44-17 pummeling by the Jaguars.  And it's not as though the Colts were resting starters by that point or anything. . .Peyton Manning threw 50 passes (with no touchdowns), but the Colts allowed Maurice Jones-Drew to gash them for 166 yards and two scores, and Fred Taylor chipped in another 131 yards and a touchdown.  Even something named Alvin Pearman tossed in 71 yards and a score.  But, again, on the first Sunday in February, there was Manning and company holding the Lombardi Trophy aloft and telling everyone they were going to Disney World.  The Jags finished 8-8 and missed the post-season.

Yes, the Vikings got handled by the Cardinals last night, and everyone saw it.  The Cardinals are, in my opinion, the best team Minnesota has seen all season, and they played like it.  Still, even with the loss to the Cardinals, the Vikings are 10-2 on the year. . .the only two teams that have better records are New Orleans and Indianapolis.  That's pretty damn good.  Their schedule the rest of the way isn't terribly menacing, and they still have a two-game advantage on everyone else in the NFC for the conference's other first-round bye for the post-season party. . .a party that they will, undoubtedly, be attending.  I'll concede that we're not getting home field at this point, but a first-round bye would still be nice.

Even after last night, the Minnesota Vikings are one of the NFL's best teams.  There are four regular season games and, hopefully, a first-round bye for the Vikings to solve this problem.  Hopefully Antoine Winfield will be back soon. . .and if he's available if we see the Cardinals again, I think things might be a little different. . .and the Vikings can get back to what they do best, which is pound the opposition and win football games.

One loss, no matter how big or how seemingly one-sided, is reason for panic.  Last night's thumping by the Cardinals is no exception to that rule.  The bigger story is the loss of linebacker E.J. Henderson, and hopefully there will be some news on him later on today.  As soon as we hear anything, we'll let everyone know.

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How about the '08 Jets?

I’m not super-concerned yet, because Favre’s teammates this year are significantly better than last year’s, but you’ll definitely start to see a lot of “I told you so” posts claiming this game as the beginning of the Favre breakdown.

by Bismuth on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 AM CST reply actions  

Pay no attention to the boo birds

They’ve been literally sitting on their hands to hold themselves back with those “I told you sos.” Expect an appearance from the guy who has the “No Favre” icon (the number four with the circle around & line crossing through circle, like a Do Not Enter sing) any time now.

Favre did not have a good game last night, no doubt, but still has passer rating (imperfect as that is) was almost exactly 80. I think (guessing) nearly all of the other starting QBs in the league have had games with ratings well below that.

by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Heech.

agreed… the ‘I told you so’s’…

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Expected to find Heech and bleedingpurplesince74 already all over this thread.

by Midnight Rambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, now,

I didn’t even mention his two INT’s. I have accepted him as a Viking and will continue to support him as long as he’s with us. You act as if I called for his benching and to bring on TJ! I just pointed out what I thought I saw regarding the way he goes about handing off the ball. Cut me some slack! :D

by KC612 on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be the first to admit...

…I was wrong about bringing Favre in and I’m glad I was. I don’t want to say “I told you so” because that would mean our season would be a complete waste. Superbowl or bust and I know that’s no easy task.

by KC612 on Dec 7, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess what I'm trying to say is

I could care less about “being right” all I care about is the Vikes winning a Super Bowl some time before I die. I’m about to turn 30 in two months.

by KC612 on Dec 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Great post Gonzo

People in my cirlce are hitting the button. It drives me nuts…everyone take a step back and look at the big picture. We are FINE. I think losing EJ for the year, the way it looked, made this game hurt more than it would have. Injujries are part of the game, we know that, but MAN I feel like shit after seeing him go out like that.

Next week we have to wreap this divison up and the First round bye, then get healthy for the playoff run….SKOL VIKES!!!!!!

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have"
Thomas Jefferson

by RileysCannibalJct on Dec 7, 2009 8:03 AM CST reply actions  

sorry wrap up the division

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have"
Thomas Jefferson

by RileysCannibalJct on Dec 7, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Bad Brett

Bad Breet showed up last night.

The Vikes & Saints and the rest of the NFL had better not forget the Cards. They surged on the road in the playoffs last year too and this year they will be looking at Domes.

Still in terms of the Vikes first playoff preview, not good.

by BillyKilmer on Dec 7, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Bad Vikings

The entire team looked pretty bad, not just Brett. The missed tackles were the main thing driving me crazy. The injuries to our O-line didn’t help any and when your line is hurting it’s hard to open up the running lanes. I would have liked to have seen more 2 back (fullback) sets in the game for some extra push. And our corners? My god, Benny Sapp could be a really good corner in this league if he didn’t have sawdust for brains. We need Winfield back ASAP. And our coaching staff isn’t going to out coach anyone when our players aren’t firing on all cylinders.

Pat Williams was the only player I saw that looked like he came to play. Shianco was hustling too but WOW was he covered like a blanket. Really amazing coverage by the Cardinals secondary all night.

I just can’t figure out how they could look so flat after getting such a great start in the game. All we can do now is hope that they use this as motivation next week and show everyone we can beat elite teams.

A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.

by dwarg on Dec 7, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree

We win as a team and lose as a team. This loss is not on one particular player. This was a team loss. Plain and simple. There was no energy – it just looked like a completely different team. But, we are still 10-2 – still a great place to be.

by Vikesgal on Dec 7, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed
There was no energy – it just looked like a completely different team.

I’m glad someone else saw it too, it looked like they were playing in their sleep almost, or with hangovers.

No one on the Vikings played up to par, everyone shares a piece of the blame-pie for this loss. This wasn’t something you could pin on a missed field goal or a dropped ball or a turnover. It was a team loss, and as a team, the Vikings need to look at it honestly and work on correcting the issues that the Cards exploited.

But, we are still 10-2 – still a great place to be.

That it is, and next week is another game. Time to get ready for Cincy, and take this one game at a time.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 7, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Not Primarily Favre's Fault

Arizona was able to bring constant pressure on Favre with a three man front, which left plenty of guys to handle pass coverage. That is a recipe for interceptions. If anyone should be blamed it is the o-line. Why on earth werethey not able to buy him more time against a three man rush? The options for Favre were to go down easy or go down swinging.

Meanwhile, our d-line was doing what exactly? I agree that Pat Williams came to play and they put extra bodies on Jared Allen to neutralize him. Where were Kevin Williams and Ray Edwards?

by dkerfoot on Dec 7, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Brett had to take risks

we were down 3 scores in the second half. Brett has ability to make things happen, he did what he could to try and give us this chance. I’d rather he take risks when we’re down like that. If we’re up by 17 and he’s throwing those bad throws and picks then I’d be upset. But down like we were, I’m not worried.

by cdubs on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cards did bring in a LB on the blitz quite often but

Even when they didn’t they were getting pressure. It is time for the Vikes to leave the fullback in the backfield when facing a good pass rush so at least the first guy coming through can be picked up.

The Cards D-line is real good.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it 'cuse we are Vikings fans?

Maybe because we are Vikings fans we expect the team to roll over and die and let any other team to move on, I do not know. There is no need to panic, this is not Madden. The team will not have 500 total yards every game. Every team has these game that they play terrible all around.

by GB Nordic on Dec 7, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

This is definitely not something to get worried about. From the beginning of the game until the end….I saw a team that didn’t want to be there. Ya Favre played bad, but so did AD, and everyone else. Where did all the open WR’s go?

This was a collective fail. We better be ready next week.

Worst thing about game is EJ.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

Umm...

I agree, the result of this game isn’t a reason to give up on the season, but…

From the beginning of the game until the end….I saw a team that didn’t want to be there.

Isn’t that the worst thing you can say about a team? They didn’t feel like playing last night, or they weren’t prepared to play? Either of those can be a good reason to panic. But yes, it’s one game, if we see it again next week we’ll know we’re in trouble, but for now we need to remain calm.

A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.

by dwarg on Dec 7, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree if it happens again, we’ll be in a little trouble.

I also agree that what I said close to the worst thing to say about a team. But I still feel that they didn’t wan to be there. Something felt wrong, and I’m not sure what it is….

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about EJ

We played well without him last year, but he’s definitely a big loss. I really feel for the guy, something tells me his career is over, but I’m crossing my fingers. Medical procedures in orthopaedics are light years ahead of the Joe Theismann era.

The WR’s couldn’t get open because Arizona has an extremely talented secondary. Therefore Favre had no one to throw to, had pressure in his face which took away his vision. They were also able to do this because their defense is small sized, quick, and fast. They gave us NOTHING on the running game, played us perfectly on defense.

Their offensive line played spectacular, that won this game for them. Warner had all day, and their WR’s are so talented that if they get the ball its big problems. As you saw them dominate through the air, it opened up the run game late for them which sealed the fate of the game.

Hats off to the cardinals, they’ve been inconsistent on the season so far, but last night they showed their true ability and potential. This team could be dangerous in the post-season.

by cdubs on Dec 7, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree...

their o-line did a tremendous job. we did not get any pressure on warner most game long. i was very disappointed with our d-line, but more so with our d-backs. i think an average high school qb could have hit their receivers they were so open. i wish we would have picked up mckenzie when winfield 1st went down. he is doing a great job for the saints. also. the card’s safetys are converted corners, so they know how to cover man-man.
i’m sure we’ll bounce back next week, & take care of business.
go vikes!!!

by indianavikesfan on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

For the most part, Warner was threading needles, as they say. There were a few open WRs here and there but mostly it was just an unstoppably accurate QB and unstoppably talented WRs making play after play.

by Jayrome007 on Dec 8, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

2007 Giants

are a poor example. They weren’t a dominant team at all that year. They barely squeeked into the playoffs and no one expected them to do anything…they were the opposite of this year’s Vikings

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions  

After last night

What do you suppose anyone expects us to do?

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by Christopher Gates on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

the sky is falling, the sky is falling

Look I am a Packer fan but seriously people…you lose a game and your world falls apart.

The 2009 Vikings have NO similarities with the 2007 Giants…sorry. That isn’t a rip…its a complement. the 2007 regular season giants weren’t a great team.

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the sky is falling

That was the point of the original post. The Vikings got handled last night, no two ways about it. That doesn’t mean that the entire season is going to go into the toilet.

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by Christopher Gates on Dec 7, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes agree

Made numerous posts this moening to that effect….

Some fans have not been there during our beloved Viking letdowns….

Last night was one…..BUT not the end of the world……

Not by a long shot…..

The talent is still there….we came out bruised physically and mentally….

Just need to find a rallying point, and fix the weak areas (many)….

Can be done, has been done, and will be done!

SKOL VIKINGS!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That was pathetic the way some people acted last night
you lose a game and your world falls apart.

Fair weather fans are bad, whiny fair weather fans are the worst.
The season is NOT over. The Vikings ARE playoff bound. We lost, deal with it!

SKOL VIKINGS!

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

+10

Couldn’t agree with you more!!

by Vikesgal on Dec 7, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Live & learn

Warner was an absolute stud yesterday. Jared Allen got eaten up yesterday and had his worst game of the season. The Cards O-line certanly looked better than the Vikes. However I think that is the best D-line the Vikes have faced all season so hopefully they can learn from it and get better(make adjustments).

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

First sign of trouble...

and out come the “Negative Nancy s” It was one game and yes, is sucked. The regular season is sixteen games long, you have to play them all. This needs to be used as a learning experience, period.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah..

No reason to “cry havoc”.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually,

this is exactly the time to Cry "Havoc’ at the top of the Vikings collective lungs and unleash the “Dogs of War”! on the rest of the season.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Arghhhhhhhhr!

Yeppers!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

conquered(agreed)

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 8, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Losing exposes weaknesses.

Once your weakness is shown, you can work to fix it. The Vikings have had a relatively easy schedule thus far, they haven’t had to worry too much about a lot of issues. Playing a good team, they [hopefully] realize what they need to work harder on.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Especially for a team as talented as the Vikings, exposing weaknesses is good because we actually have the personnell that can adjust and fix those problems. The only time this is a bad thing is if you’re a team like the Lions who just have no talent on defense and lack the ability to adjust to their mistakes.

Vikings should be better after this loss.

by cdubs on Dec 8, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

How about that you don’t like to lose badly and you take things a little more seriously, refocus and work a little harder?

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 8, 2009 2:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I expect the Vikes to:

Give Harvin a few more rushing attemps and work on a few more blitzing schemes when facing teams that have great O-lines, like the Cards.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

2007 Giants

managed to defeat the previous year’s NFC SB team, the Bears. They were from the best division in the NFC, if not the NFL, that year. They won the SB on one of the flukiest plays ever.

I thought the Vikings were supposed to be better than that.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

you see

the bears regressed after SB season their defense was not the same in 2007 plus the quarterback situation got even worse.
the cards i think have imporved since last season and prove that thers still a top playoff contender.
plus i also believe that vikings beat the bears and twice and the giants that season but were the ones on the outside loooking in when it came to the playoffs

by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless the Saints blow a couple games (entirely possible, after seeing the Redskins fight so hard to give them a W yesterday), the best we can hope for is that Bye…. ok, fine.

Did anyone really expect the Vikings to go 15-1 on the season? I knew we’d eat at least one more loss en-route, possibly 2. That’s ok, we’ll still get the Bye…

In case anyone’s forgotten, the Bye is HUGE. A whole extra week off to rest and heal up and watch film on whoever emerges, bruised and battered, from the WC game. Yeah, I’ll take that :)

HFA may or may not happen, but we need to take this one game at a time.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 7, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly....

Last night was an eye opener for some fans and moreso for the team….

Too bad on EJ, really feel sorry for him…..

Hope he can come back!

Mantra: One game at a time…..

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Its the way we lost

The problem of having a very good defense is that they save your bacon all the time and everyone gets use to it. We still have a very good defense and just because one team was able to negate them for one game it doesn’t stop them from being a good defense.

 The problem with last nights game was that Everyone, including me, underestimated Arizona. They were in the Superbowl last year. They do have the only Quarterback with a quicker release than Christ himself. They do lead their division by three games.

Sometimes when things go downhill they tend to snowball. That was what happen last night. It leaves one with a sickened feeling. I’m sure the team feels the same way. Lets get to work and fix it. The playoffs will not be easy. They never are.
Skoal

by lifelongvike on Dec 7, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

All of the Cardinals fans I spoke with...

were SHOCKED that they won.

The Cards had some serious motivation going into this game – losing to the Vikings AND Brett’s 6TD game as a Jet.

Can we call this a ‘strategic loss’?

GO VIKES!

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 7, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

The Vikes O-line isn't as good as I thought.

Either that or their D-line is as good as the Vikes.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually glad we lost.

A little something to bring us back to earth is nice, and I’d rather get the losing out of our system now, instead of have it pop up in January.

There were a lot of injuries last night, and while Loadholt and McKinnie ended up coming back on the field, they looked and played injured.

And, the D was hit by the injury bug as well, with the injury to E.J. was Theismann-esque. Hopefully he’ll heal up well, and we’ll be glad to see him back when he’s ready. But if I never see that replayed again, I’ll be fine.

All in all, we still have a two game lead with four to play for the second seed in the division. I don’t think we’ll slip below a third, just like I don’t think that the Saints will slip below the first.

Next week we’re at home, and I expect to see the Vikes win that one.

Otherwise, my tank is going to be giving me nothing but crap for the rest of the year. Stupid Bengals fan.

When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.

Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.

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by Robert Rence on Dec 7, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

I am not glad....but understand your logic....

MUCH better now than going into the playoffs overconfident and thinking we are invincible…..

As we saw last night, this is NOT a cakewalk…..The teams that will be in the playoffs are every bit as hungry as the Vikes…..

We need to go into that scenario with our eyes wide open and ready to show true grit…and with the ability to pull ourselves together….

This L will serve as a reminder….and also I am hoping that some good may come from EJ’s terrible injury……

Good in that the team can play hard to support EJ – the sacrifice he made…..and play with even more determination….

Losses like this one can either pull a team together and get them to focus – or it can result in them losing confidence and throwing it all away….

The talent we have leads me tyo believe it will have the former result as opposed to the latter…Take it from me, I have seen situations that are not the same, but similar….

The difference was the stakes – much higher in my case…..Remember this is just football….Extremely important to me and other fans I know….BUT it is still a game….

That is why I can continue to support the Vikes, no matter the “noise” – Let’s all enjoy the rest of the season and their pulling together to be what I know they can be…..

I have a feeling this is what will happen!

SKOL VIKES!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

We play better as underdogs

so maybe like you said we come back to earth, realize we have to win the game, it won’t win itself, correct some serious mistakes, get Winfield back, and start steamrolling some solid teams down the stretch…

by cdubs on Dec 7, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Underdogs?

When were the VIkings underdogs this year? Vs. the Browns? Lions? Lambs?

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Playing the Steelers, probably.

And apparently the Cardinals as well.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

And they didn’t play well in either game.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikes played ok in Steelers game.....

Tripping…….

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

AP rushed for less than 4.0 ypc. He also fumbled, resulting in a def. TD.
Rashard Mendenhall had 6.9 ypc.
Favre threw 0 TDs and a pick-6.
Big Ben threw 1 TD and 0 picks.
Shank was contained, but Heath Miller caught 6 passes.
No sacks by Jared Allen, and only 3 as a team.

And more, but I don’t want to think about that game anymore. It was not all because of a bad call, either.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

OK....

Your opinion and yu are entitled to it…..

I think that game was not a bad game/performance….

We lost but it was close….we were playing the SB champs in their house, and this when they still had a swagger….

The Vikes are professionals but so are the opponents they face week in and week out….

By your standard there is no Viking team let alone another that will make the cut….

Just don’t see it that way….is overall versus eaches and onesies in my mind….

The Vikes could have done better, but so could the refs, and for that matter so could the Steelers…

It is what it is….I am afraid that you are going to be very unhappy most of your tenure as a Viking fan….or would be for that matter with any team you choose to back….

Just my opinion, which I also have a right to…I hope you can enjoy some of the remainder of the season…..doesn’t sound like it….

Too bad….

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I will enjoy what's left of this season

starting with a victory vs. Cincy, but if the Vikings lose to the Bengals, then I think anyone with a brain would have difficulty thinking that the Vikings were really a top-notch team.

The goal is to win the Super Bowl, not to make excuses when the team fails to prove itself vs. contenders and applaud another one-and-done postseason.

I appreciate your concern. I do not have this attitude about how good the Vikes should be every year because they’re usually not at all as talented as this year’s team.

by KC Viking on Dec 8, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

When the trip call result is

a 14 point turn around, you may want to do the math again.

by jshep on Dec 7, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Look it up

I think it was on the NFL.com highlight reel for that game.

by KC Viking on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I checked his stats

He did not fumble once during that game

by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Check a box score

The Vikings fumbled at least once that game, even if it wasn’t AP.

by KC Viking on Dec 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop blaming the refs for every damn thing

The National football league refs are not out to get the vikings

by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

We were underdogs for BOTH Packer games, as well as Pitt. I’m sure a lot of “experts” picked us to lose the Ravens game as well.

by cdubs on Dec 7, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes and no

Fair enough, I’ll go with the “bring us back to earth” outlook, but I don’t see how anyone would be glad we lost THIS game.

Take a look at the remainder of the Cards’ schedule. With the exception of the Packers in the final week, they have a very easy remaining quarter of the season. The Cards having the tie breaker for the 2nd place bye is terrible.

Honestly I’d rather “get the losing out of the way” against the Bengals when it’s out of conference and doesn’t have any real ramifications with the obvious exception of overall record.

by JoshB on Dec 7, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Losing the game was not that bad

Unlike many here, I never thought chasing the #1 seed was that big a deal, Just getting one of top two (meaning playoff bye) was more important than which one. It would have been nice to take the second loss against nearly any team though, since the Cards could conceivably overtake us for #2 seed, now that they have tiebreaker.

What was bad (on so many levels) was losing EJ

by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed--No Panic

I did not think the Vikings were going to win all their games down the stretch, anyway, although I did not expect them to be dominated like they were last night.

Every team has down games in the regular season, and I am going to write last night’s fiasco off as one of them.

Sure, the Cardinals gave everyone a blueprint on how to beat the Vikings, but that does not mean the Bengals, Giants, and whoever Minnesota meets in the playoffs has the personnel to implement that blueprint.

We all knew sooner or later Favre would have an off night—that no-INT streak wasn’t going to last forever—and I am treating last night, when Favre probably should have had at least four INTs, as an aberration and/or result of a good opponent implementing a good game plan that put more pressure on Favre.

Now, if the Bengals lay that sort of game on the Vikings next weekend, I may be a little more concerned…

by Midnight Rambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

Playoffs

Of course, now the Vikings need to keep an eye on the Cardinals and whoever emerges from the NFC East dogpile. The Vikings still hold a two-game lead in the race for the second seed and a first-round bye, but a four game lead would have felt way better.

by Midnight Rambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Great Post!

The other common thread between those three teams is that they did not get a 1st round bye. While I hope the Vikings at least maintain their #2 seed, just remember not to hit the panic button if they have to play in the 1st round.

by corndog10565 on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

Hrm

After comming down from the purple high we’ve been on, it is clear to me that this team more than likely let all of the awards and accolades get to them. We simply lost that ‘’punch you in the mouth’’ mentality that we’ve been known for early in the season. AD looked timid, the o-line overwhelmed, the D clueless, and the special teams utterly lost. Brett also didn’t have a clue with that funky bunched up backer set the Cardinal’s D was giving him (why not audible to the run if they are 8 yards back and all clustered?)

by Jepp The Viking on Dec 7, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

No Energy

This team feeds off the energy of our high energy players: Peterson and Allen. The Cardinals made it top priority to shut both of them down first and foremost, and they got it done. The doubled up Allen and they stacked the box vs peterson. No one else really got their mojo running the rest of the night.

by cdubs on Dec 7, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

Blue print for success?

My biggest concern (other than EJ) is this; Does this loss give other NFC contenders a blue print for success on how to beat these Vikings? Shut down Jared Allen. Multiple receiver sets to confuse the perpetually confused Viking secondary.

Look, I realize that when Warner is on hes almost unstoppable. He was SPOT on last night, all night. Also, the Cards O-line played out of their minds. They were awesome.

Still….. can other teams view this tape & scheme accordingly to rip up the Vikes defense & slow their vaunted offense? I sure hope not. But I fear, logically, that this may be the case.

As a 40 year Viking fan I felt the “ghost of Viking melt-downs passed” come sulking in to my living room by the second half. I’m not panicked. But I’m worried. That was an arss whipping of epic perportions & I didnt think this team could get worked like that. Especially by the Cardinals. I also didnt think the 69’ Vikes could get beat by the Chefs, nor did I believe that the 98’ Vikes would lose all season long……and have to watch the “Dirty Bird” dance in our house.

Ugly and scary folks.

by Viking64 on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Steady the course, sail on

I think Warner’s success was directly tied to our D’s inability to apply anything remotely resembling pass-rush pressure during the entire game. A lot of credit has to go to the Card’s O-line, but I think it has as much to do with our D not stepping up. The whole Viking team was out of it, and you could see that early in the 1st quarter.

But do you really think other teams can replicate what happened, successfully? I don’t. They need too many factors to come together for them…. a savvy and accurate veteran QB, the best receiving corps in the game, an O-line that can be counted on to stop the Vikings normally formidable pass rush, a shutdown-D that can put a stop to both AP and the Vikings receivers… Oh, and they need to play a Vikings team that looks like they have bad hangover. Good luck with that strategy :)

No, I think the truth of what happened is simpler…. the Cards were freaking hot in their own dome, and the Vikings were stone cold. Schtuff happens, sometimes all the stars align and the football takes the right bounce. You can’t scheme for that.

I know exactly what you mean about the ghost of Viking disappointments past, but this time we have a lot more firepower to play with, 4 games left on the season, and a comfortable 10-2 record. If we lose another, things will get more desperate, but we’d still be on track for the playoffs.and the probable Bye.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

good points

I hope youre right DC. I think Brees and co. could get the job done. I agree with your assessment of a defense that was just dead-legged all night long. I saw some comments on the STrib page re: the slipping around going on. I noticed on Breaston’s long punt return that Vikes coverage guys were slipping & falling. AD was falling constantly. Did they wet the field down?

Anyway, I’m keeping the faith, as always. It was just stunning to see the ease with which the Cards hammered our defense. They do have a ton of talent & not many teams can match them at the skill positions.

by Viking64 on Dec 7, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to get back to basics

Breaston’s epic punt-return doesn’t happen if we had solid tackling downfield, but that didn’t happen and he was off and scampering. Stopping him was pure desperation, and a wasted effort; they scored a couple plays later anyway. They needed to catch, and stop him, about 60 yards back up the field, not 6 yards from a TD.

Whenever the Vikings have fallen apart this year, it’s been on the basics. Blocking, tackling, holding on to the football, catching. We have a fantastic RB in Peterson but we can’t get him open lanes on a consistent basis so that he can be effective.

I think those are all things that the team can fix with some serious sweat-breaking practice. There seems to be an assumption that they have all those basics in place, but if they were doing those things in their sleep, come game-day it would be instinct. These guys are very, very good, but I don’t think they’re getting enough drill in the basics and for that I think Chilly and his staff need to step up.

I’m not suggesting that the team can’t do those things now, only that if they work on those basics more, there might be fewer breakdowns.

What I’m kinda excited about is this coming game against Cincy…. if this is the team I think they are, the Bengals are going to be in a lot of trouble. The Vikings will have something to prove. Not just one hot player, but the entire team.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 8, 2009 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Cardinals are a tough team to beat when they’re on fire the way they were last night.

We should hope that NO has to play the Cardinals in round 2 and that we play Dallas in round 2.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

Last I checked

10-2 is still better than 7-5, which is what the Packers will be after tonight’s game. And that’s all that matters right now.

by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 7, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Perspective!

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you...

Star Tribune wasn’t helping and neither were the message boards…no one is relaxing when they should be. I’m glad you’re here to remind us of our great season as indicated by 10-2 record…

It’s 1 game…if it was the playoffs it’d be a big deal…but there’s 4 games left and we still have a good hold on the #2 spot…

Go Vikes!

Best wishes to EJ!

by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Not the best examples

The 2006 Colts were dominant. They were 8-2 vs. teams with .500 records or better. The Vikings will not be able to say the same. The 2007 Giants played more tough games than the Vikings as well and hailed from the best division in the NFC, if not the entire NFL. They won because of one of the flukiest plays ever. The 2008 Cardinals couldn’t defend the best team in the NFL and lost the SB.

I had thought that the Vikings were supposed to be better than that.

I see complacency and excuses all over the place. It shouldn’t be wrong to expect more from this very talented team and well-paid coach. It shouldn’t be wrong to expect a team of this caliber to defeat BOTH of last year’s Super Bowl teams and any other team which is considered a contender. Happily being better than Green Bay is setting the bar awfully low. Feeling accomplished at 10 wins (like last year) is being content with mediocrity. This team can and must do better, and no real Vikings fan thinks that 10 cupcake wins outweigh 2 meaningful losses.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

So...

umm…we have only lost to 1 team with a record better than .500…if we win out…we’re better than them I guess…is that what you’re saying?

by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

2 losses to .500+

I think the Steelers will finish the season with a winning record, too, and the Steelers should count as a quality team no matter their record since they won the SB last year.

If the Vikings win out, it will be 1 win vs. a good team (CIN), 2 meaningless wins vs. the Panthers and Bears, and 1 meaningless win vs. the NYG backups. If the Steelers win out, it will come vs. 3 decent or better teams (BAL, MIA, GB) and only 1 meaningless win. PIT and MIA will be facing each other in week 17, and most likely playing for a wild card or to be a spoiler, so I doubt that they will play their backups.

The fact that the Vikings will only play 3 quality teams who didn’t lose to TB (or even 5 counting the Packers) says a lot about how easy the Vikes have had it this year.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a team bound to lose

According to your standard….too bad….rec backing another team….maybe NO? They seem to think they will go all the way…..

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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

NY Giants backups? Theres very very little chance the Giants will have anything clinched before week 17. might wanna think that one over buddy

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

MY ADVICE: Sh$t Happens

Get over it, fix, and move on…..

All you can do…..Dragging them through the streets like dogs will not change anything….

Also makes the whiner look like a sunshine fan….As soon as clouds or a storm hits, these blokes disappear…

Do not think you fall into this category…..

Some last night were….

Pitiful….

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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Get over it, fix, and move on…..

That’s exactly how I wish the organization had handled their problematic secondary over the past 2-3 seasons, and perhaps their coaching problems, too.

Do not think you fall into this category…..

Thank you. I do not fall into that category. I’m a Vikings fan rain or shine, but don’t expect me to feel satisfied with the team 100% of the time when they could and should be better.

by KC Viking on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m a Vikings fan rain or shine, but don’t expect me to feel satisfied with the team 100% of the time when they could and should be better.

Agree completely.

Yes, I’m happy that we are still 10-2. However, we were legitimately exposed in a few areas last night:

 1. our pass rush can mask our secondary’s deficiencies if playing well, or expose it. Yes, Winfield will help when he comes back but we still have troubles at safety.
 2. We need a running game to either set the offensive tempo or fall back on when the pass isn’t there. Herrera will help, but like Winfield it’s bigger than one guy.

I don’t mean to sound whiny and am definitely not a fair weather fan. I am concerned that some of these issues – not mention the sudden rash of injuries – are coming at a critical time late in the season. Here’s hoping the coaches and players can reassert themselves and make a big push in the playoffs!

by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw EJ's knee bend it and bow out. It was terrible

FOX only showed the replay once for a reason. His season is over. As terrible as that is the Vikes have been pretty lucky not having too many injuries this year. I hope Jasper Brinkley is a good as I think.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Dec 7, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

EJ's injury was a horrible thing...

I wish him the best and hope for a speedy and full recovery.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Because of the primetime showing

of course people will be down on them…but that definitely puts the pressure on other teams…not us. Idc what people think of the Vikings b/c quite honestly…all analysts think they know what they’re talking about (GB superbowl favs 09!) aka Mark Schlereth

Vikes are good, that’s one thing we know…another thing we know…we’re on the verge of greatness…

by urluckyday on Dec 7, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Come on Vike Fans, I expected more turst in your team.

Okay, so we lost a game. It was a game against a team that was in the Superbowl last year. It was a team that has a great wide receiver core. It was a game vs. a team that was on top of their divsion. It was also a game that just had a heartbreaking loss w/ a last play td to lose the game. Did anyone think the Cardinals were going to lay an Egg? Heck no, they needed & wanted the win to help secure the top of their division. With their record being rather poor for their own division, they need to come out on top to make it for sure. Vikings could easily lose out the remainder of their season, or somewhat lose out and still have a WC slot chance. However, I doubt that will happen, since I expect a lot better from our team.

Things to consider. Our two losses are from the teams that showed up to the Superbowl last year. We obviously played better versus the Steelers. AP got way more rushes. But the games are still similar. Favre threw a lot, and he also had two turnovers. Throwing a lot is not a good thing for our team. We need to prove that we have a better well-balanced team. We normally say with our offense pick your poison, but last night it was more like, pick your soft drink. Neither side could get things going, and when your down you need big plays. Big plays come from passing. A battered O-line meant pressure on Brett. Brett being pressured means bad mistakes.

Am I going to cry over this? No! Like the article above reads, sometimes these losses are blessing in disguises. We played better after the Steeler loss. Hopefully now we can win-out the remainder of the season. Take our #2 seed spot, and rest up for the playoffs.

We MAY face the Cardinals again. Than it’s revenge time! We’ll have a better healed up O-line. We’ll be playing at home, and we’ll be bringing it all. The Vikings won’t have that we don’t want to be here mentality, and everyone will hopefully play like their jobs depend on it. I expect the outcome to be very different this time on the next appearance.

The pressure is off the Saints. They have a very likely #1 spot, but they could easily fold. 4 games remain and they have some hard teams to play yet too. And I bet they are thinking & considering they don’t want to win out, even though it would be nice, but they don’t want to replay how the Patriots did in their 16-0 season.

We have the 3rd best record in the NFL as of now. Why is everyone jumping ship over 1 bad game vs. a team that is good? Cuz we were favored to win? upsets happen! just reminds us to bring our better A-game.

Steelers lost to raiders
Pats lost to Dolphins
and…
Saints nearly lost to a non-playoff bound bad team…
Trap game? Maybe so.. either way, should of been an easy win 4 the pats but they nearly lost it & should have. 27 yard missed field goal? Come on redskins.. ha
If that game played out right, we’d still as of now only be 1 game behind the saints.

There’s something to chew on.

by Deek on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

not all are jumping

I dont think “jumping ship” is what people are trying to relate here. I think what most of us are alarmed at is that the Vikes got totally undressed & that, after all, its our Vikings. When was the last time things worked out for the Purple & Gold?

Its hard to be optomistic when you’re wrestling with that age old Viking fan feeling of doom.

I guess I dont just want to have the Vikes win the big one in my lifetime. I NEED IT TO HAPPEN.
So losses like this are just a big ol’ gut punch.

Still on the bandwagon though. Still bleeding purple. (can someone get me a tourniquette?)

by Viking64 on Dec 7, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

that game was bull

we didn’t get anything going and they were doubling allen the whole night edwards and lb’s need to step up if other teams do that.and our secondary was just not in the game mentally at all and ap had a few good runs they just didn’t give it to him enough to keep the birds off the field.don’t care if he only avg. is 2 a carry give him 20 to 30 a game. and the o-line was ridiculous need to slice a extra tight end if they are having that many issues i live in az and there not that good.we just had a really really bad day in front of everybody just got to collect are selves and move on to cincy.were better than that

by clinton p on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

no panic here but it hurts to see and here about e.j. cause i was there

a little further up but they didn’t even show it on the jumbotron but once it was so bad feel for the guy.a you guys need to give brett a break first game he threw more than one int and the only good thing about there d is they do get turnovers

by clinton p on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

Yahoo Sports

of course MJD (a constant Favre hater for those who dont know) has already posted a little blog about how Favre always fall off starting Week 12. Its ridicolous considering how he & this team have played all season long to think it will continue for long. They played the Cardinals, which last i checked is the NFC Champion, and did not throw out a lame performance vs a scrub team like the Rams for example. Theyll bounce back next week.

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Out of all the games that we could have lost it had to be week 12…..now we’re going to be listening to this crap especially if we lose to the Bengals next week.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

yea if Vikings lose next week it should throw the “collapse/choke/favre demise” talk into overdrive. but the Vikes are home & the Metrodome is an insane place to play for a road team, especially a team that has struggled vs Oakland, CLeveland, & Detroit last 3 weeks.

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

go look at the stats over the last 5 years and you will see this trend is true. favre does ALWAYS fall off beginning in week 12.

by iseepurplepeople on Dec 7, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Pick the right statistic,

and you can prove anything you want to. None of this ever came up until last year, when he definitely did fall off, but as we all know know (but didn’t know at the time), had a significant injury to his throwing arm.

Where it matters: In 2005, he was 1 and 3 in December, but that was a 4-12 season.
In 2006, he was 4-1 in December and in 2007 he was 3-1 in December. I don’t care what his TD/INT ratio was (which is the stat everyone uses), the fact is they were winning games at at least the same pace they were for the rest of the season.

In fact, last night on sportscenter they listed the best December winning records for the decade. The Packers were 3rd on that list, and that is despite the fact that last years’ Packers (without Favre) went 1-3 in December.

Tom Brady had 2 TDs and 2 INTs this week also; Peyton Manning has thrown 2 INTs in 3 of his last 4 games; Drew Brees through 2 INTs vs. St. Louis in week 10; Aaron Rodgers had only 2 INTs for the season till he threw 3 against Tampa Bay.

A two INT game is not a sign of the end of the world. He (and Rodgers) still have fewer INTs for the season than any other regular quarterbacks. Games like this happen to everyone.

by Migrant lurker on Dec 7, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really think

that has anything to do with the current Vikings team?

All it does is make fans paranoid. I don’t think Jared Allen, Adrian Peterson, Brett Favre and others give a crap what the Vikings did in 1999.

by ckb on Dec 8, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Full of cheer aren't we,,,,,

Like several others here, obvious for you that Vikings are hopeless….

I see nothing but negativity from all your posts here….

Ths loss I guess is what you have been waiting for…

Best to just not worry your head about them maybe?

Easier on your nerves…

On ours too…

Maybe NO better for you and these others….

Darshiva over on canal st blog is looking for some friends…

Good luck to you/them….they are the best (?)…

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* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 8, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Really....

LOL

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it also true that...

30 other teams choke in “big time, must win to save your season” every year. Using that measuring stick at some point the Vikings have “choked every year of their existence”.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 8, 2009 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Surprised

We’re not talking a little bit more of the hangover effect from having three cake games in a row at home. The Lions, Seahawks and Bears all in a row are not a good way to prep for a team hungry to close out their division sooner rather than later.

My concern is offensively, the Cards and the Saints have some pretty relevant similarities. Both offenses have their weak link at the RB position but can put up ridiculous numbers through the air. We all saw how well the Vikings defended the pass with Benny Sapp and Madeiu Williams (sidenote: looking at the depth chart and assuming Antione Winfield is healthy, is it just a lock that Madeiu Williams is our weak link on defense?)

That’s what scares me about that Saints. Otherwise they looked very beatable against Washington yesterday. I still believe the Vikes could give them if anything else a very good run for their money.

by why am i in omaha on Dec 7, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Both Warner and Brees can get rid of the ball quickly, which scares me a bit after the poor tackling in space yesterday. Maybe someone can correct on this, but Warner had two times where he was wrapped up for a sack but still managed to throw it away. Both QBs react to the blitz well.

by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a fair remark to say "Don't Panic"...but....

..I also think there were a lot of awful developments last night and it’s really difficult to just pass all this off as just a “fluke.” I think the reason that so many of us long-suffering (and perhaps more skeptical) Viking fans are upset and so negative is that this was the kind of game we’d been led to believe that this new-look Viking team wouldn’t take for granted. That it was a “test” game for us to show that we could handle a tougher team in light of our (supposedly) softer schedule this year.

To fall so very, VERY flat in such a big game in so many different facets of the game: Special Teams, Secondary failures, No Defensive Pass Rush to speak of, Offensive issues both with INTs and with AP (clearly it seems that he has some kind of “tell” that teams are feeding off of)…that just doesn’t bode too well for us “figuring things out” magically or all in a moment’s notice.

It suddenly makes the Cincy game seem far tougher and our Division title hopes a tiny bit suspect now. :(

And for the record, castigating skeptical fans as “Fair-weather” fans or as being too negative isn’t terribly cool, either. Everyone has their way of rooting for their team – some of us are just really tired of seeing these same failures consistently rear their heads. Yeah, it’s great that we beat up the defenseless teams and we’re all ecstatic, I’m sure over whupping our hated Packer rivals this year, twice, but when do we show up in the important games? The Steelers, the Cardinals? Heck, we got lucky to win the stupid Ravens game, too.

No, I think anyone who has suddenly and horribly had their faith shaken after last night’s debacle has every good reason to be at least a bit worried and a bit upset as a fan. Should we quit cheering for the team going forward? Of course not. But is it fair for some of us to see the potential for late-season disaster going forward? Yeah, it’s not totally unreasonable.

I can see us, with this team (minus the great EJ Henderson – hope he’s okay) winning our first game but I can’t see this team going farther than that without a better secondary and without our old Adrian Peterson back. The current iteration doesn’t feel terribly special these days. Sacrilege, I know, but there it is.

I hope they prove my doubts and worries totally wrong but I’m starting to get the feeling that I’m horribly right about our future chances this season. Thanks for listening.

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

you have every right to be upset, I mean we’re almost at the playoffs and we just lost our second game of the year. We’re not really used to losing.

But man, did you just frickin lose it last night. Chill bro. We be aight.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Please allow me to explain then....

(and I agree, I did lose it..)

My 2-month old son, Noah, has been at Children’s Hospital since he was born (Aug.10th, this year). He was born with a blocked-off intestine along with a twisted portion of intestine. That may not sound terribly serious but I assure you, it is. As if getting that fixed wasn’t tricky enough (which the surgeons were able to do, thankfully), his liver is failing, slowly but surely. Yesterday was his 5th day home and he doesn’t sleep through the night so I’ve had about 24 hours of sleep, total since last Monday. :( He was crying all day and constipated yesterday (and for him that’s a bad thing)…so the only thing I was looking forward to, to cheer me up, so to speak, was watching this new-look Viking team play well and have a fun game.

When you factor in my current stressful situation, I hope you can excuse my negativity towards the end of the game and briefly afterward. :( I love this site and I definitely apologize if I upset any of the more positive people here – my current situation has me not feeling terribly positive these days and I’m afraid it trickles over into everything else. :(

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

When you put it in that context, I can definitely understand. If it was me I probably would have lost it too. And I’m sorry to hear about your son. I look forward to a beat down against the (newly feared) Bengals next week.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry to hear about your son

My prayers are with you.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope everything works out for you Wytefang. Will Noah be getting a liver transplant or something??

by cutlassbob on Dec 7, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope son health issue can be addressed...

Like all other commenters on this one, first of all hope something can be done for your son…..Sounds serious…

My daughter went through a liver failure many years ago now as a teenager (not a tiny baby) and was a terrible time for us too….I feel for ya….

Ref last night after the game, was not just you…Lots of folks overreacted….some fans have not experienced a bad Viking game….is a hard pill to swallow, but hey happens…

Only thing to do is pick yourself up as a team and do it better next game….YOu can bet the team is discussing/working just as heatedly but in a positive manner how to fix mistakes/weak areas…

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I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 7, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you to you both...

for the supportive words. If we win our next game with a solid victory and do a better job on the opposing passing game, I’ll consider this past night’s loss nothing more than an aberration. We really need to whip those Bengals, though. Home, sweet, Dome.

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what else to say.

I’m hoping that things will turn out for you and your son and you can spend many decades doing all the good father, son stuff. Tossing the football, going to Vikings games (in Minnesota of course) etc…

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Dec 8, 2009 2:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m sorry to hear about your kid. But you honestly might want to refrain from watching the Vikings under these circumstances. It sounds like your real life is producing enough anxiety as it is. Why would you want to induce more artificial anxiety on top of that?

by Jayrome007 on Dec 8, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for the kind words, fellas...mighty appreciated.

Jayrome007, you’re probably right but I gotta stick it out even if things go south. This is the best team I’ve gotten root for in person (I was stationed in England during 1998 and missed all the fun (and eventually disappointment in the NFC Championship game). So I’ll stick it out and if they really are stinking up a game, I can always turn it off and relax. SKOL VIKINGS!!

by Wytefang on Dec 8, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Emergency distraction plan

I always find it useful to have an emergency distraction plan. Before every game I like decide on an activity that I can do that will distract me from the pain should the Vikings be involved in an extremely disappointing game or lose a game they were supposed to win. Some fine examples for me would be: working out, playing with my kids, playing my favorite MMO (LotRO, for those who care), wrestling with my dog (she’s huge and loves to wrestle), or working on my hobby (Warhammer minatures, for those who care). The worst thing I could possibly do after a humiliating or deflating game would be to either keep watching other teams play or jump online and read/post about the loss. Those always just compound my suffering.

by Jayrome007 on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points

Sometimes, though, I do find that it helps a lot to be able to commiserate or just vent with my fellow Viking fans. That’s why I find myself disappointed when some fans gripe at those of us who may just be really bummed out and/or angry even and need to vent. But yeah, I usually just go play whatever cool PC game that I’m playing at the moment to take my mind off of things.

I have to say that I’ve really been enjoying football more this year and not just because of the Viking’s success, either. It’s just really gotten to be a fun sport for me to watch. My favorite sport to play (I’m in an Over-40 league here in the cities) is Soccer and to watch (can’t wait for the upcoming World Cup!) but a very, very, VERY close second is Football. :D

by Wytefang on Dec 8, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks guys...

Yeah, I don’t have a lot of good stuff going for me as of late – lost my job a year ago – nothing new since, new son with super dangerous health issues, was unable to play soccer this entire year due to groin injury (though that’s finally almost healed). So one of the few bright spots in my life (other than my lovely wife and first-born son, who is thankfully VERY healthy) has been this incredible Viking’s season.

Yeah, I’ve put too much of myself into the team’s success – never a good thing to do with our beloved Vikes, I suppose (See: 1998 NFC Championship) but I got sucked in. So last night hit me like a Cement truck to the face, I guess.

Thanks for the kind words. Just got to try and stay positive, I guess. :)

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

wish you the best of luck man

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a cute little guy. :)

I wish you all the best of luck, truly.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Good luck mate

Just wanted to say good luck to you mate and I hope all works out for you! Us Viking fans from afar (England Via the Dominican Republic) are rooting for you to pull through as well. May you and your family have a special Christmas!!!!

by karl c on Dec 8, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

And I’ll be rooting for you guys during the World Cup (except for our matchup! LOL)…I usually cheer for the USA first (of course), then England and usually a fun team like Ivory Coast or Portugal.

Anyway, thank you for cheering for our Vikings from miles and miles away. I’m sure they appreciate even the most remotely located fans!!! SKOL VIKINGS!!

Finally, thanks for the kind words about my son. Right now our biggest issue is that we’re barely getting any sleep because Noah doesn’t sleep well at night. I’ve had about 8 straight nights of only 4 hours of sleep. Ugh.

by Wytefang on Dec 8, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey man,

Vikings fan from Austria here. I do not post very often, I´m more of a reading guy on the Daily Norseman, as I´m a hungarian dude living in Austria, and my English is… well.. debatable, I´d say. ;-)

Anyway, I´m as pissed as the guy next door about that loss to the Cards. Not about the loss itself, but about the WAY we lost that game. At times I thought the Lions are on the field, disguised as our beloved Vikings… and than there´s this:

we don´t get to see much American Football here in Austria, so there are very few people around here that actually have a clue about it. Anyway, one of my best friends spent some time at Phoenix (went to school there) and became a huge Cardinals fan. He challenged me to a bet. Obviously, I wasn´t the one who won that bet… so now I owe him a case of quite expensive austrian lager, and, being out of job right now, I´m not exactly happy about that. I´m thinking about keeping the bill for that case of beer and sending it to AP… do you think he´ll reimburse me? ;-)

But football is not the real issue here. I was very sorry to read about your son´s health problems. I´m blessed with a child myself, so I know what it means to have a sick kid. So I decided to log in and amuse you with my pidgin english and to tell you that in a small austrian town, at 5 a.m. local time, a candle has been lit for you, your family, and especially for your little son. May the Gods be with you!

*Futile to resist
You know why we have come
Futile to resist
The battle is already won!*

by AustrianViking on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you!!!!

I really appreciate that. I love hearing from far-away Viking fans! Thanks for your awesome support in a land far away!! SKOL VIKINGS!!

by Wytefang on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You´re more than welcome! SKOL VIKINGS!!!!

*Futile to resist
You know why we have come
Futile to resist
The battle is already won!*

by AustrianViking on Dec 10, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it me

or did it seem that the injury to E.J. was so bad that the Cardinals no longer wanted to play either??? Speedy recovery #56!!!

by Marvin T on Dec 7, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

that was horrible to see. i think worse than mcgahees. hopefully he can get a full recovery soon

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Nevermind, I found a video - his looked worse than EJ's...

…but both looked awful. :( I broke my Tibula & Fibula playing soccer back in 89, needed a metal rod inserted. Ugh, total pain, that’s all I remember before arriving at Fairview Southdale and staying there for 3 days (including over my b-day). :(

Get well soon, EJ. God bless.

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

yea theyre 2 horrific/career threatening leg injuries.
& i broke my femur skiing the weekend of the Colts-Bears Super Bowl. spent the night in the hospital then left so i didnt have to watch the game on a 14 inch screen lol

Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Dec 7, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

3 thoughts to consider

1) Peyton went 4 weeks in a row w/ 2 INT per game before yesterday’s 1 TD 0 INT performance- noone in IN or medialosing their minds over it.
2) Saints squeeked by the REDSKINS yesterday. Scent of vulnerability in the air.
3) Better to see what needs fixed before the 1st playoff game.

Push the Panic button out of your reach if you’re one whose hand tends to twitch when it’s nearby – LOL.

by jshep on Dec 7, 2009 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

This is a good post

+100…I need to remember to be more patient in terms of pushing the Panic button.

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

of course the experts never talk bout mediocre the saints were playing

the came back so they praise them for that but they dont talk about thier faults

by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I have not seen too much Viking bashing other than here...

Then again, have not really looked…

I expected a sound round of it after this game from the pundits…

Guess we will just have to show on the field Sunday against Cinci…

That this game was an aberration…

Of course this is also indicated by our record…

10-2 is still second.third best record in the NFL this year….

Not too shabby….

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 8, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say we should panic exactly, but a close look at last night’s game should make us all concerned that we might not be as good as we thought.

Injuries are catching up to us. Our MLB is out for the rest of the season, our O-line is missing a guy here and there and no one seems to be 100% when they are in the game, and Winfield’s return keeps getting put off. If the line can’t hold up, how long will it be before our old QB gets nicked as well?

Also, our gameplan seemed to be win a shootout against Arizona. Childress should have known better than that. We didn’t give Peterson the ball anywhere near enough before we were in a deep hole, and after that there was no way to do it. The best defense against a team like the Cardinals is to keep the ball out of Warner’s hands.

But we aren’t quite as bad as some think we are. For one thing, Warner didn’t miss a pass and he’s usually not THAT on. And when did their defense become mind readers? No matter the play, they were keyed in on it from the start. I think they had some sort of tell or something because nobody is THAT good at predicting plays.

We’ve got some things we need to iron out to start thinking about the Super Bowl, but it would take a major slide to not make the playoffs, and that’s all you have to do to have a shot at a SB win after all.

by Bodysuit Man on Dec 7, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

We were due

The computer blew up last night so I could not join in typing on the iPod takes way to long. I only watched the first half because I could tell the whole team was flat. Like most here I am not pushing the panic button. Disappointed yes. I have been a fan for a long time I was a boy of nine in 69. Every year we seem to have at least one game like this. I am just glad it was now.

One question, did The Cards take their foot off the pedal in the 2nd half? I saw that they only scored 9 points on 3 FG’s. The way they played in the first half I was afraid I was going to see a 42-17 or worse score. Hate to hear about EJ. I remember when LT broke Thieman’s leg and that was sickening I don’t think I want see this one.

I am sure they watched film today so now it is over and let’s win the rest of them.

Skol

by SouthernNorseman on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Over? Did you say "over"?

WIth apologies to the late, great, John Belushi:

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

What the eff happened to the Daily Norseman I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest Vikings season of our lives, but you’re gonna let it be the worst. “Ooh, we’re afraid to stay positive, MilCardFan, we might lose again.”

Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. The Bengals, they’re DEAD! Bears, DEAD! Niedermeyer…

Yeah, that feels better.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by Ted Glover on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

This. Times 100.

Awesome.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver

by fischean on Dec 7, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll just apologize now

Because at some point in time, I’m probably going to totally end up blatantly ripping this off.

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by Christopher Gates on Dec 7, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Apology accepted

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by Ted Glover on Dec 7, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Not hitting panic, but I have pressed the concerned button

What i saw yesterday was no penetration from our defensive front, Adrian Peterson trying to make far to many cuts and jukes instead of moving the ball north and south and a coach that let the players take over his job. Our offensive line is now far from 100% however the Vikings will try to convince people that the injuries are nothing serious but it definately showed during the game. Combine that with the loss of EJ Henderson for the year, and Winfield not coming back yet, I think there is definately reason for concern. I won’t even go into the off the field issues with the NFL’s two newest NASCAR stars in AP and Bernard Berrian. Injuries and off the field distractions have always killed our team and it’s now seeming like the past is coming around again. I think it’s time for Chilly to pull everyone together and chew some ass hardcore, because if they have another performance like that in the playoffs the season is done. New Orleans has proven they are for real this year and the Vikes need to keep that in the back of their minds.

by Sixmark on Dec 7, 2009 5:58 PM CST reply actions  

The best mental approach seems to be...

To acknowledge that we have some serious issues that have continually crept up and (last night) finally caught up with us. To act otherwise is just as much of a disservice as those who overly panic. It’s best to just realize that we’re not quite as good as we’d hoped but better than some of us may (in a panic) think we are after that loss. Then just move on.

The only thing that worries me is how sometimes a single game can define and change/limit a season. I really hope this game wasn’t THAT game.

It is tiring to see that for every knee-jerk “Vikings suck now” post (I’m guilty of this at times, to a lesser extent, when I’m really annoyed by their lack of energy/focus) there’s an equally knee-jerk “you guys who aren’t happy suck” post. Let’s just avoid the extremes altogether, shall we? No one’s an evil henchmen, twirling their mustaches trying to rip on the Vikes. We’re all huge fans who just want our chosen champions of the gridiron to succeed at the highest levels, in every game. Nothing more, nothing less.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!

by Wytefang on Dec 7, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

Perhaps

But I think the results of this upcoming Cincy game will be the most telling. If we lose it but it’s super close, things are probably alright for our future success. If we lose in crappy fashion again, well no one needs to say what we’ll all be thinking at that point – especially in a home game after such an ugly performance the week before in Prime Time with something to prove (but failing to do so).

A win and we can regain a bit of our optimism, I think.

I think that the 49ers game helped set a certain tone for the first part of the season but we’re now in the 2nd part, the finale of the season and unfortunately, this Cardinals loss could set a different tone if we don’t immediately bounce back.

by Wytefang on Dec 8, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings are my 2nd favorite team

I agree one loss is no reason to panic. Barring a meltdown or a 4-0 run by another team in the NFC the Vikings have the #2 locked up. Your 2 games ahead with only the cards having the tiebraker on you (I think) and my cards are likely to lock up the NFC west next monday night then go on cruise control like after clinching last year.

I will point out one interesting fact to add to this discussion. The last 7 teams that have played the cardinals have gone on to lose thier next game whether they beat the cardinals or not. I think its a combination of the cardinals becoming more physical and thier wide open style of play all over the field tending to cause collisions between other defenders. I have seen collisions between defenders in a lot of games recently against the cards and they seem to result in a lot of injuries. I hope Henderson makes it back next year.

Anyway, best of luck until we meet again in January.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

By cruise control do you mean they’re going to rest their starters? Because the cards do have a legitimate shot at the #2 seed.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We have Bengals, Bears, Giants, and Panthers left on the schedule. If we lose one of those games, and Arizona wins their next 4 they get the # 2 seed. Arizona’s schedule the last 4 games are the 49ers, Rams, Lions, Packers.

by dsludo on Dec 7, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

U need to check your math

Cards need to run table to get to 12-4, Vikings need to lose 2 to be at 12-4. Cards do have the tie breaker so if thier records are the same Cards get the bye. It’s pretty unlikley, but not impossible.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

If Vikings beat Cinncinati cards will go all out on Monday night to try to beat SF and close out the division. 2 behind with three left, the cardinals will go to vanilla week 1 offense and defense for the last three. Two of those three are detriot and St. louis so my guess is the cards finish with 11 wins, but it could get interesting if the vikings faulter. I can tell you this, if the game doesn’t matter Whiz will show nothing to GB in week 17.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 7, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

This is so ridiculous you have lost all credibility...

If the vikes beat the bengals then your boys just give up… really?!

by Jshore on Dec 8, 2009 5:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Sigh, I did not say they give up.

I said they go vanilla offense and defense and start practicing and game planning for the teams they will play in the playoffs rather than spending a lot of time on Detroit and St. Louis. There’s a big difference.

Home field advantage (especially if its in a dome) and the bye are both overrated.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

what's the matter with AD?

NOT A THING. Do the doubters know of ANY back that’s going to rip a long one with two defenders wrapped around him as he recieves the handoff? seriously, I can’t count the times this season when Peterson’s been hit as he’s recieving the handoff. The problem isn’t AD; it’s blocking – or the LACK of it.
Also, the ageless one threw 2 int’s last night. Oh no!!!! Panic – NOT. He was forced to take risks last night because we had absolutely zero for a running game. I see havre still has less than half the picks that either Peyton or Drew have. The only thing last night signified was one bad game, not a season-ending collapse by Brett. A think a big factor, also, was that Arizona, in essence, plays a 4-CB defensive backfield. Their safeties have the speed and cover abilities of most cornerbacks. Wish I could say the same for our safeties, who sometimes exhibit the cover abilities of an offensive tackle.
Pray that E.J. is able to come back from the broken leg. He’s made some of the prettiest tackles I’ve ever seen. Seems to be a real class act, as a human being, also.
In conclusion, SUPPORT YOUR TEAM. AND AMERICA’S TROOPS, INCLUDING GONZO. LET THEM KNOW YOU APPRECIATE THEM.

by kagey on Dec 7, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions  

+1000

 SUPPORT YOUR TEAM. AND AMERICA’S TROOPS, INCLUDING GONZO. LET THEM KNOW YOU APPRECIATE THEM.

by indianavikesfan on Dec 7, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

HUGE: Cardinals tipped off to our Run vs. Pass!!!

Guys, I just posted this as a FanPost, but it’s so huge I had to get it out here also:

This is a potentially huge development from / explanation for last night’s game (debacle?). Apparently the Cardinals KNEW WHEN WE WERE GOING TO RUN VS. PASS based on the way Bryant McKinnie lined up his feet. This is apparently no joke; they studied tape on him and noticed he had a “tell”:

“Did McKinnie accidentally help Cardinals?”

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/12/did-mckinnie-accidentally-help.html

“Boselli points out that (left tackle) Bryant McKinnie of the Vikings, he said that the Cardinals know when they’re [the Vikings] going to pass because of his leg. He would have one of his legs back a little bit further. … He said they know what’s going to happen because they’re looking at his feet and they can tell when it’s a run and when it’s a pass.”

According to my football fanatic friend (Saints fan btw) this was on Dan Patrick’s radio show today. If this is true this is absolutely huge; on one hand they need to FIX THIS OR BENCH MCKINNIE. There is no question on this. Seriously, if anyone can make sure the Vikings brass (Chilly, Bevell, etc.) know about this, DO IT. On the other hand, this MIGHT make us all feel a lot better about last night; we basically got dominated by the Cardinals D (only) because they (almost) cheated. If we fix this, one would assume last nights game might have been very different.

It’s hard for me to believe an NFL tackle could have such a huge flaw, but better we know about it now. Your thoughts?!? (PS – this is my first post of any kind on the site, long time lurker, SKOL VIKINGS!)

by Ace199 on Dec 7, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions  

The easter bunny was in on it to

It my understanding that Farve and your coaching staff typically calls both a running play and a pass play in the huddle and decides which to choose after the line would already be set.

Most of the people in the stands know whether a pass or run is coming, especially when the running game is non existant.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 7, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Is That Why Your Team Was Bragging About It?

Keep thinking that your team is so dominant, troll. When we meet you in the playoffs and this is fixed, it will look a lot more like last year when the Vikes dominated you red-tighted asses 35-14 and when Farve threw 6 TDs on your sorry D.

This story explains A LOT of what happened; your D is not that good.

Vikings fans, your thoughts?

by Ace199 on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but "not that good "D manhandled our o-line

and the shut down our pass rush. and they made our safties thier bitches
so they have a right to brag for now. but worry too the real cardinals will show up against the 49ers.

by Vikant on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

They were "All That"

and a box of chocalate… ‘tell’ or no tell, they played a hell of a game.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 8, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

ArizonaVikingsFan is not a troll

by dsludo on Dec 8, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Stupid me...

I mean Drulinoverthecards is not a troll. The Arizona thing messed me up. haha.

by dsludo on Dec 8, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Sigh, Ace,

1) The source of your alleged tell is not even a cardinal player, its an article quoting a radio personality talking to a former player who got the information from who knows where. 2) I didn’t say the cardinals were dominant. 3) I look forward to meeting in the playoffs, it should be a good game. 4) Last year is irrelevant at this point in time. 5) Trying to figure out tells is part of the game and not a “HUGE” story.
 
The point I was trying to make with the easter bunny reference, apparently unsuccessfully, is that every team looks for tells and has them on everyother team. That’s how the NFL works. Coaches and players spend endless hours watching tape looking for tells and signals and audibles from the other team and thier own team. It’s not a big story that a team has a tell or understands the hot signal of another team, that’s both team’s job and the coaching staff’s job.

At the NFL level most players know whether a run or pass is coming on any given play. If a team can misdirect and fool the other side, kudos. The personnel on the field for the offense is a tell, the formation they line up in is a tell, the down and distance is a factor, the qb words at the line are a tell. Some is real and some is misdirection. The players on the field still have to figure out where the ball is going and react and make a play. Misdirection occurrs in lots of ways.

To me your post made it sound like you believed one tell was the deciding factor in the game. If I misunderstood, I apoligize.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 8, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Telegraphing a play...

Mmmm… if the defense can usually tell whether or not the offense is going to run, or pass, why do offenses bother with fake hand-offs, fake passes, shovel-passes, and bootlegs? Why do defenses blitz and get burned up the middle?

I don’t know if McKinney’s “tell” is the truth or not, but I do know that down in the trenches, the guys pay a lot of attention to every detail about how their opposite number is lining up. That happens when your head is down and there’s not a lot else to look at, lol! If they can spot a trend that telegraphs what’s coming, they use it.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

leave this chat

plus i beleve the cards have the 49ers to game plan for so go worry about them

by Vikant on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Now that we're all having fun.

If that was the case, wouldn’t Favre have to signal the rest of the offense what the play was on every play? Wouldn’t that lead to a tell? I think that’s entirely possible, that they had a tell. I recall one year when teams figured out that Twins pitcher Brad Radke was tipping his change up, he got knocked around pretty good until he fixed his motion. Instead of speaking of the Easter Bunny, you should be giving kudos to the Cards staff if they figured that out.

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by cryhavoc on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 AM CST up reply actions  

We're still 10-2

Ugly loss. Ugly injury to EJ. OK lets try to look forward. One thing we do have to realize is Vikes O-line AND AP are struggling and our safeties suck.

by briano29 on Dec 8, 2009 1:07 AM CST reply actions  

Doctor said EJ Might Return

As early as Training Camp 2010. He wasn’t EJ’s doctor, but he was a Dr that has a lot of experience with the same surgery EJ had for a lot of skiiers who had the same accidents. He says EJ is healthy and young, bones heal fast, he said he thinks EJ will participate in Training Camp next year.

Let’s hope he’s right.

by cdubs on Dec 8, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

Yes hope so.....

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 8, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, great news!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 8, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Good news!

Let’s hope. Sounds like my initial guess Sunday night (in response to all those who “knew” he probably would never play again) was about right — he would be recovered by next season, but it would be in doubt if he could be ready to go from the word go.

by puddnhead on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts on the game.......finally

I’ve held off on putting forth my thoughts about Sunday nights fiasco as I was livid and would have made a few comments that probably would have made things ALOT worse. Not about the Vikings, but by OUR conduct in the game threads. To begin, our team had a meltdown. They all do! We got our asses handed to us. GOOD! Time to wake up and realize this isn’t going to get easier. Even with the weaker teams as they will be “gunning” for us out of pride and the spoiler role. So what, we lost 30-17. It isnt the end.

The Steelers won the Super Bowl last year. The Titans kicked them in the nad’s to the tune of 31-14 in week 16. I doubt any of them freaked. Pissed, yes, but gave up? NO! They finished the season 12-4. Guess what, they didn’t even have the best record in the NFL nor the top seed in the playoffs. It’s not over, we have time to deal with what happened to us, the bad coverage, the bad tackling, the lack of a pass rush for the first time the season and the lack of a running game the first time this season. That is the easy stuff to work out. Yes, I hope Chilly and friends are redoing their play calling a little. Time to start pounding the ball on the ground again and take a bit of the stress off the arm of the “Old Man”. He can’t do it all the time like this and remain healthy and be mistake free. The whole team, coaches and players dropped the ball and it’s them who have to get back on the ball. The hard thing will be psychology of recovering from seeing E.J. break his leg and filling the hole he left. But the back-ups seemed to be able to step up after he was gone. That, ladies and gentlemen, will not be our only rally cry, but a part of it! The cry is to redeem this team’s name, the fan’s and the State of Minnesota as well as win it for E.J.. It’s for all of us and we all need to bear the bad with a smile and keep going! The Pack are improving, but they won’t catch us. And speaking of which, as our friends over in ACME will attest, they lost 2 in a row and 3 total a few years back, and still won the Super Bowl.

Now, to us. I was sick by what I saw in ourselves. The giving up the season by halftime. Giving up on the season by the end of the game. ALSO, I was just as sick by those that instead of trying to be encouraging, decided it was “best” to tell those that were upset more or less what to go do with themselves. As I stated above and what Gonzo put forth, there is no reason to give up or think the 1970’s will repeat themselves. I heard alot of that back in the late 1980’s with the Twins. Oh, we will just lose like ‘65. They haven’t done anything since they were the Senators. BULLSHIT! Twice history didn’t repeat itself with a loss. But twice, it repeated itself in victory. The Vikings day WILL come.

To those that were shouting down the discouraged. DEAL WITH IT! If you had a bad day and were upset, what does your friend or significant other tell you? STFU? I highly doubt that. They try to be encouraging, bring up your spirits, try to get you to see the best in a bad situation and look in the long term. Well guess what, we ARE a big family. A family of fans. PERIOD. The same goes for you guys. Be that friend, that significant other. Instead of attacking, be uplifting. It’s hard in the heat of battle, but give yourself a few seconds. I know Im not perfect and had my moments, not only in life, but on here. but I have taken a step back a few times and zipped it. I ask you to do the same. We all need to start treating each other a little bit better otherwise we are going to give jackoff’s like UofMike and a few other hypocrites that have said all Minnesota team fans are pathetic even more $hit to shovel our way.

Time to start digging in folks. Plenty of football left including the playoffs. We have a team we need to back not only this year, but the off season including the stadium issue. The team has alot of work to get done between now and the playoffs to shore up the weaknesses. But we also have alot of work to do with ourselves in treating each other better too. Just like the Vikes are going to work, we have to as well. This thing is far from over.

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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions  

AP still carries the team

Let’s not panic! But let us not get too comfortable, either. Which was what I saw, last week, against a good Arizona team: lack of game energy and intensity. Let Adrian Peterson do what he does best—build a lead for us or keep the game close into fourth quarter. Go Vikes!

by tofu on Dec 10, 2009 5:32 AM CST reply actions  

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