Wilfs are on the clock
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 16, 2009 6:26 PM CST
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It is my humble opinion that the Vikings need to go and sign Jeff Garcia. This guy can still play. And play hard. (see vikes vs. tampa game) Zygi and the rest of the greek gods of Minnesota Viking football need to understand this... the time is NOW, we need to win NOW! With this defense, AP, Bernard there is no time to sit back and develop someone that is a dead end, again, in my humble opinion.
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Garcia
His 08 salary was approx $2 million, making him only slightly more expensive than Gussy. Minnesota has to be high on his list of teams he’d play for. He knows the offense and the team is built to his strengths.
His addition wouldn’t signal a new era and the Vikings could easily do more to upgrade the position, whether that be through FA or the draft (let’s hope not). Get a couple vets in here with T-Jack and let everyone know the job is up for grabs – may the best man win. The Vikings could get Garcia and another vet in here with Jackson all for less than $6 (yr.) million.
Use the draft to land a tackle and a playmaker (WR or DB with return skills) and the Vikings would be serious contenders in the 009!
I am afraid
that it wont happen because it makes to much frickin sense!
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 16, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions
Garcia is not an upgrade over Gus
If you’re going to get a new QB, get Cassel. He’s younger and solves the QB problem for years. If you sign Garcia, you’re looking at the same problem this time next season.
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I think
Garcia is a fine upgrade. Consider they cost the same but garcia is much more mobile. He makes things happen when there is nothin there. Remember the game against the vikes? Thats all he did. We stopped the run but couldnt stop him from running around until guys got open. Gus never HAS done that.
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 16, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously??
Just the fact that Garcia can somewhat scramble outside the pocket makes him an immediate upgrade over Gus…Gus has a QB rating at TB of around 93 or 94…WAAAAY better than Gus…Sure Cassel would be nice, but he’s not gonna come to Minnesota, at least I just don’t see it happening…
oops, typo...
not gus has a QB rating, but Garcia has that rating…DOH!
Do you know what it would take to get Cassel?
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 16, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions
i heard chester taylor and a first round pick.
What up?
by snakethejake on Feb 17, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions
Chester
I can see that happening. If we do part with Chester, Bring in Fred Taylor to be a replacement?
It looks like the best choice
All the other options in free agency are going, or already have went the other way. Warner is either staying in AZ or retiring. Kerry Collins is in the same boat and Matt Cassel is being franchised.
Cassel would cost way to much, and consider we only had one pick in the first three rounds last year. having two mediocre drafts in a row can cripple our franchise! besides that is way to much money to pay an unproven quarteback. Ask the lions if they enjoyed paying scott mitchell after he shined behind Dan Marino for a year! And they didn’t give up any draft picks.
Garcia is a viable option. We already know he can play in our offense, Cassel has only played in one offense. He hasn’t taken the beatings that most 39 year old QBs have taken. And he is still very mobile in the pocket, extending plays. Unlike Jackson who is run or pass, no in between. And last he will come at a good price.
It all makes sense, and its not like there is a Joe Flacco in the draft again this year. Sign him to compete with Tavaris and I think he is a much better safety net than Gus Ferotte was last year. And he has thrown less interceptions in the last three years than Gus has in his last 14 starts! I was pulling for him two years ago, and i’m pulling for him now!
I don’t understand where we see an average Jeff Garcia is an upgrade?
He hasn’t played a full season since 2002, and I seriously question his arm strength. this isn’t an upgrade, it’s a band aid.
agreed
Gus led the Vikings to an 8-3 record when he was starting. I don’t think Garcia would’ve won the Vikings any more games than that. Garcia is an old man. He is turning 39 in a couple weeks! He would come in for a year, 2 max. That is not a solution. That is a band-aid. Cassel has some questions, and he would cost picks. He might not be the best option. But there should be no disagreement that he would be a huge upgrade over Garcia. If the Vikings don’t like Cassel, there are some pieces the Vikings could move (Chester Taylor for one.) If Hasselback is healthy, he might come cheap. Palmer might come cheaper than Cassel as well, considering the Bengals need a true starting back, and they are rebuilding. I’d offer a 2nd, 4th, and Taylor for Palmer. There are plenty of backs in FA and the draft to replace Taylor with.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 16, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Geeze, enough with the Palmer scenarios, please. It won’t ever happen. Let’s call up the Broncos and see if they’ll give us Cutler while we’re at it. I understand the desire to get a quality QB, but let’s try and be a little realistic. It doesn’t matter that the Bengals are rebuilding because A) Palmer is still young and B) He’s one of the better QBs in the league.
what happened to Chris Simms
He played with Tampa, his spleen exploded, then he disappered? He had some potential didnt he?
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 16, 2009 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Freeman
Sign Garcia
Draft Freeman
Have TJ and Booty duke it out for third string.
Release Gus
trade up in second round to get Mack from CAL and move to right guard. Get Gross from Carolina to play RT.
3-7th round: CB, DE, WR/RETURN SPECIALIST, DT, and FB
easy as 1,2,3
Not a bad plan
The only objection I have to that is that I am not as sold on Freeman. IMO he seems like TJ v2.0. TJ pros coming out was that he had a lot of athletic ability, strong arm, with a lot of upside. Same with Freeman. TJs cons were that he wasn’t a sound decision maker, had trouble reading defenses, and played lower competition. Outside of the lower competition, that is Freeman again. Just seems like a lateral move and not a step up.
by vikingfuture8816 on Feb 16, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
hmm
Yes, sign Garcia. That will buy the Vikings some time to draft and develop another QB.
Also not sold on Feeman, and whose to say the Sullivan kid cant play center? The Vikikngs were smart, they drafted the best center in the draft last year and a the second best saftey b/c they understood Birk and Sharper would not be back. Ive got an insider that said Sullivan could start no problem. No reason to trade up and get Mack.
Move Up
Mack can play inside at RG. He’s a nasty blocker that brings attitude to the line. Having Sullivan start at center and Mack at RG, the line easily raised its IQ tenfold.
What have we learned about drafting centers and moving them to another position?
Apparently NOTHING.
He is probably a center
because that is where he plays the best. Besides a guard is way down on our list of needs. Gross just got signed BTW and we need a Tackle BAD.
Say what you want Garcia is our best fit
Yes he would be a band aid but we are looking to win a SB now before our core players get old. He knows the offense and wants to win a SB before his time runs out as well. I really don’t know how much of an upgrade Cassel would be over TJack because he would still have to learn the WCO and he got sacked as much as Gus did and he had that great NE O-line blocking for him and he had Welker & Moss to threw to. Cassel is to pricey for someone who is unproven thats why Garcia makes the most sense. Then we draft Davis to be our QB of the future.
Cassel and LA viking
Is going to cost way to much and be too big of gamble. Sure he had some good games-with a good supporting staff around him. You can bet defensive coordinators now have enough tape on him to adjust their schemes. Guys like him and Thigpen who had good games now have to prove what theyy can do year in and year out. So we give up a pile of picks and big $ to find out he can’t handle it? I don’t want to gamble now. Garcia would be better than what we have.
Thanks LA! I mentioned signing Gross before and glad to see someone else noted his availability. I like the plan too. Like future , I am not sold on Freeman. I do like the option of playing best available for a need area. Build the O-line via FA and draft. Get the right side solid and Garcia might have enough to make it work.
Would it shock anyone to see the Vikes pull the trade trigger draft week and give our #1 for the rights to McNabb, Palmer, or a 2nd or 3rd for Hasselback?
Kudos
I would sign Garcia and keep the draft picks. That way we have ammunition on draft day to make deals depending on how the other teams chose before us. But like someone else said, It makes too much frickin’ sense for the Vikings to execute this game plan.
Almost always
anything that makes sense never ends up being put in play, hence the vikings, government, whatever.
by RileysCannibalJct on Feb 17, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
PS Stadium
Living down here I don’t here much on stadium. But, has any proposal been made to ask for stimulis $ to pay salaries to unemployed workers. This would help with stadium costs and put people back to work for a good while. I would like to see that happen.
Better idea than some of the rediculous things I have seen some communities proposing.
we won often despite of Gus....
and it would have been highly likely that we would have lost to the Lions if Gus had stayed in. Age aside, he was a statute, threw picks, and called for the stretcher atleast once a contest. Other qb’s will surface in the future, Garcia makes sense right now.
NO Cassel!
MAN I hope something solid happens with Cassel soon! So everyone on this blog who has a man-love for him can stop talking about him. How many of you sent him a Valentines day card? I’m glad your not the ones running the team, as if childress is much better! But man how can we literaly sail the ship on a guy that is more unproven than Rex Grossman! For god sakes, his stats were mediocre with the best offense in the league! look what Tom Brady did with that same offense a year before, he set all sorts of records. Brady was never putting up manning type numbers untill he got Randy Moss and Wes Welker. And Cassel was just a plus quarterback in that offense.
wow...where do I start?
1) Cassel put up top 10 numbers in every important category for QBs. He did that after being thrown in the starting spot after not starting a game since high school.
2) Name one other QB that is available who could come in and put up better numbers than Cassel. Garcia? Ha! He’s 39 years old! And check out his numbers. The only year he put up better numbers than Cassel was his 2nd year in the league with the 49ers. since then, nothin.
3) Brady didn’t put up Manning like numbers until he had Moss and Welker? Correct me is I’m wrong, but the Patriots won 3 superbowl in 4 years, before they had either WR. The debate as to who was the best QB in the league was always between Brady and Manning before Brady had good WR’s. Now there is no doubt.
4) On a side note, Brady never put up back to back 400+ yard games with Moss and Welker. Cassel did that last year. He’s no brady, but there is no doubt he is the best QB available.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 17, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
To be fair, the 400 yard games were due to NE passing so much because their RBs were injured and they were relying on 3rd/4th stringers. But its still impressive to throw for 400 yards not once, but twice. And who can forget the Randy Moss TD pass against the Jets that sent it into OT. I mean they lost the game, but that was a clutch play, and Cassle threw it where only Moss could catch it. He doesn’t have a strong arm, but he can get the ball to the reciever. Think of him as a younger Chad Pennington, who everyone should agree we should have tried to sign last season.
Credit Were it is Due
NE was throwing the ball heavily. In the two 400yd passing games, Cassel threw the ball 94 times. Those games were against two of the leagues weaker pass defense teams.
He can throw the ball, there is no arguing otherwise. But his greatest statistical achievements cannot allay the concerns that there isn’t enough known about him.
Wow
1. Top ten in categories! In a year where the MVP only threw 27 Touchdowns! Even Rex Grossman threw 22 TDs in a season. Give T-Jack that offensive line, Those recievers, and three years to learn that offense and he will put up numbers atleast as good. I seriously believe that about half the backups in the league would have put up numbers around those.
2. Garcia isn’t the player he was when he was 28 and had Terrell Owens to throw to. Who has Garcia had to throw to since? Charles Rogers, Whoever the eagles and browns had and Antonio Bryant. Look what he did with Bryant this year! Gave him a career year! Not to mention some of the practice squad O-lines that were in front of him. The years he played behind an atleast decent line, he played very effective and took those teams to the playoffs. Not sayin he will go to the pro bowl next year, but he has gas left in the tank. And for the chance we are taking on him compared to Cassel, he comes at a premium
3.Look at the numbers that Brady put up as a passer in those years. They were no where near what they were in his astronomical year of 2007. P.S. He had some of the best defenses in the league in those superbowl runs. Not sayin he still wasn’t one of the best, but he wasn’t a stat machine!
4. Brady was normally throttled back and started to hand the ball off many times. Because he had already thrown 3 or 4 TDs by the time he got to the 4th quarter. Not to mention the defense was much better, and he wasn’t throwing the ball when he was up by 28!
As a side note, I totally agree that Cassel is the best QB available. On the other hand I think his price tag is WAY WAY to high. I realize we would restructure his contract, but signing him to a long term deal with Arron Rodgers type money would burn us for years if he stinks it up. Not to mention the draft picks he would cost. And I don’t think Darth Vader(Bill Bellichek) would want Chester Taylor, considering the pleathera of RBs he has gone through. Besides I wouldn’t give up more than a 2nd and a 5th for cassel.
I agree...
Cassel might be expensive, but to say " his price tag is WAY WAY to high" is unfair, as no one knows what his price ACTUALLY will be until the bidding war begins…how bout sign cassel and garcia, since garcia won’t cost much anyways? (playing devil’s advocate)…
It is WAY WAY to much
Consider what we will give up in a trade
ATLEAST a second, probably a fourth and possibly more. That is at the least in a trade
Then look at what he would cost money wise. anywhere between 8 and 11 mil a season, give or take for 6 or 7 years. That’s at the least 48 million.
2 or three draft picks and 48 million(probably more) is a HUGE price to pay for a guy who has never taken a snap in multiple seasons. Let alone played with mediocre talent around him. Another thing that I think helped him is that most the teams he played against didn’t have any film to study on him because he hadn’t started since high school. Bill Parcells always used to say that a quarterback was really tested the second or third time a team has seen him and seen his tendencies.
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