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We saw some really ugly Vikings special teams play in 2008, especially on the punting team and it's return-coverage. Almost set a new NFL record of the sort you don't get to live down for decades. Granted, Farwell was out, but one man does not an entire coverage team make. Childress pointed the dirty finger at Kluwe, and while I think Childress was excessive in his public display of anger, I think he's right on target with who is responsible for the problem.

 

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Chris Kluwe caught the rash because his punting wasn't accurate; he was told to put the ball on the sideline, and he dropped it in the center field instead. What also comes to mind, however, is the strength of his punting. If he was able to punt the ball high enough, he'd get the necessary hang-time that would allow our special teams guys to be standing around the receiver, waiting to cream him if a fair-catch wasn't called. That's always so nice to see, isn't it? Kinda ensures that there'll be no unpleasant punt returns that result in TDs. 

According to NFL.com, Kluwe's a upper-middling-ranked punter (#12), so it shouldn't be too hard to find an upgrade there.

If the Vikings were to consider a replacement punter in FA for Kluwe, according to WalterFootball.com, here's the best of who's available;

Rank 1 - Shane Lechler, Raiders, age 33, 48.8 yard average

Rank 7 - Sam Koch, Ravens, age 27, 45 yard average

Rank 38 - Matt Cassell, Patriots, 57 yard punt, he's only booted it once, but hey, maybe he works as a dual purpose player, lol. Shades of Bob Lee!

Thoughts on the subject?

 

 


Poll
Should Kluwe be replaced, or given another chance?
Boot to the Head, kick the bum out of Minnesota!
6 votes
Bring in the FA Punters, let Kluwe compete for his job
29 votes
Look for a hot punter in the draft!
4 votes
Kluwe may have just had a bad year, give him another chance
15 votes
Kluwe's better than he gets credit for (or his stats show), keep him!
39 votes

93 votes | Poll has closed

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Personally...

I’ve never understood the anamosity towards Kluwe. I think he’s a great punter and I’m glad to have him on our team.

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Feb 2, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, the only downside to Kluwe is his hangtime. He’s got a very good leg, but he has to start reigning it in to give the ST players a chance to set up.

by Frost on Feb 2, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

I agree, Kluwe is a good young kicker.

There were times when he needed to get more air under his kicks, but then our guys sure forgot how to tackle too. We did not have good enough personnel on the special team squad, kicking or receiving. I swear, our guys could not shed blocks when covering kicks and then would turn around and get shredded when blocking.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Feb 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

If Kluwe reins in his distance to get more hang-time, his punt range average will drop, and it’s not exactly that long as it is. He’s given up a more return yardage than any other punter in the NFL, 3x as many as the better punters. At a ranking of 12, there’s 11 teams with better punters than the Vikings, which doesn’t mean he’s a bad punter… but there’s a lot of room for improvement. But ‘great’ is too generous.

I’d like for him to get better during the off-season. Improve his control, his accuracy, and above all, his hang-time. But he’s no where remotely good enough to be given a free pass with the assumption that he’s so great that there’s no way the Vikes couldn’t find better.

by DCPurple on Feb 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

He kicks it further than 28 others.

So relatively, he kicks it pretty far. However, returners have great success (tops in the league) against him. We also had more punts returned than all but 3 teams (StL, Oak, Cin). Interesting!

by LoveHate on Feb 2, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Philosophy

Most of our special teams blunders were because of the strategy and Philosophy that our coaches took. They told Kluwe to continuously boom punts and out-kick the coverage. This was the biggest problem. When many teams tell there punters not to out-kick coverage ours was saying “Let it ride!”. I hope that they will take a different approach next year.

As for Kluwe, I really like him. He is great at putting balls inside the 20, 10 or even 5. He has the leg to really let them go at times. I just think they need to tell him to use more hang time and let the coverage get to the ball.

Look at Micheal Koenen from Atlanta. He was 20th in punt average but the team was 4th in yards allowed. Thats because he doesn’t out kick his coverage.

by mattscards77 on Feb 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

I have doubt they coached him to put his cover unit in bad predicaments time and again. I have to have faith that coaches reaching this level understand football objectives. I can’t grasp coaching against the teams better interests.

Now, there was obviously some sort of failure there.

by LoveHate on Feb 3, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

mattscards77

I totally agree with your post. The Vikings just signed him to a huge contract (for a punter) last year because he holds many team records (surprising, but check if you dont believe me) and they love how far he can consistently punt. Can’t blame the guy for doing what he’s told. You’re going to have a hard time finding a better punter and we have WAY bigger fish to fry this offseason to even bother.

by MinnesotaRage on Feb 2, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

mid 40 yard

punters are not easy to come by. we have not had a Punter who avgs in the 40’s since Mitch burger left for more money in 2001. in fact, of active Punters, Kluwe is 5 among active punters in yrds/punt. He has never had a Punt blocked, not in four years and over 300 attempts. if you want to know why our punt coverage was so bad, look no further then the coverage team. our coverage was absolutely awful, and it had little to do with out kicking the coverage.

It did not help that we where lacking 2 of our best special teams players in Heath Farwell and Micheal Boulware before the season even started. the real problem seemed to do more with bad coaching then with Kluwe.

If those two return healthy next year, our coverage should improve drematicaly, and while mediocre kickers may be dime a dozen, truely good ones are much harder to find.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Feb 3, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

The man is right! That Chicago- Wait a second. Which game are you thinking of. Not the Chicago one I was originally thinking of, I hope, because that wasn’t a block, that was a fumble.

by Frost on Feb 4, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

And the Airizona game was a field goal

by Frost on Feb 4, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh. I thought he had fumbled it and then tried to kick it illegally.

by Frost on Feb 4, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You were partially correct Frost.

Kluwe fumbled the snap after it hit him right in the hands. He then tried to punt it but it was blocked. He then illegally tried to kick it out of bounds and he kicked it right into the hands of a Bear, who then returned it for a touchdown. I was at that game and it was demoralizing.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Feb 4, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

lol Yeah, I think that sounds right. Quite the comedy of errors there… if you were a Bears’ fan anyways. I was tearing my hair out of my head.

by Frost on Feb 4, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Part of the knock on him...

Is that he’s too concerned with Viking records. He can punt it far, yes, and that’s usually a good thing. The trade-off for distance is hangtime. If the punt returner has to drop back ten extra yards, but gets two to three more seconds to find a lane, and the blockers get two to three more seconds to find someone to block, that creates problems.

Kluwe has said, somewhere or another (it was awhile ago) that he’s mainly concerned about distance and records. If he’d just take his distance in a bit and put a little bit more air under the ball, I think he’d be better off.

I’m not upset we have him; he just needs a little self control.

The coverage team was pretty terrible as well, so there’s that. A combination of Kluwe holding back a bit and the coverage team not being terrible should result in an average-at-worst coverage team next year.

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Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Feb 4, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

While I understand your sentiment Manimal, I would always take a guy who says, “I want my name next to every punting record in this team’s history” over a guy who lofts the ball and puts up an average net total that is 4 yards better. I think what we need is to try and develop a different type of blocking scheme that allows an extra guy to get downfield quicker. In addition to that, our guys on the outside on punts get MANHANDLED every time. They never get down to the returner quickly. And last, but not least, the open field tackling on special teams is downright PATHETIC.

Personally, I want Kluwe to keep doing what he’s doing and boom the hell out of that ball. But, if you all want we could always go back to……. ummmmm…. ughh….. hmmm…..

Yeah.

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by TheViking83 on Feb 4, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh I agree...

No doubt, I agree. The longer, the better. The Vikings just need guys who can run fast, stay in their lanes, and tackle.

But with the group we had, it may have been a bit better to reign it in when necessary. Maybe when there’s a Reggie Bush back there, or whoever.

I’ll give Reggie Bush five yards more every punt as opposed to fifteen less but giving up one TD.

Then again, I think the Special Teams will get it together after the embarassment of last year, so I’m not really worried.

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by Manimal on Feb 4, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...

I think that punter is the least of the Vikings problems. Yes there is always an upgrade but like they said before we just signed Kluwe to a big contract making him one of the ten highest paid kickers in the league.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/36857999.html?page=1&c=y

by Skoaldybi on Feb 4, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

Kluwe was just a scapegoat.

First, I cannot believe how many people forget that this kid can put a ball within the 5 yard line 8 times out of 10 if it is within his distance.

Second, I cannot believe that people forget what a horrible coach Brad Childress is.

Third, I cannot believe that people forget we lost not just 1 great special teamer in Farwell, but a few more as well.

I remember people half-joking 2 years ago that Kluwe was our MVP. I say half-joking because he had an amazing year as a punter. I still miss Mitch Berger, but I am sure Kluwe enjoys a snickers bar once in a while.

He was not the reason our special teams was terrible. His punting was not the cause of poor strategy and poor tackling.

by Bjorno on Feb 4, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

You’re right to an extent. Kluwe wasn’t the reason nobody seemed to be able to tackle very well last year. But he did have some troubles with directional punting, and kept kicking it too far for the coverage guys, as DeSean Jackson pointed out after our playoff loss.

by Frost on Feb 4, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It would help if our guys could down the ball when he gets it inside the 5. I wasn’t able to watch many games, yet I can still think of at least 3 times the coverage guys messed up a great punt simply by not being able to down the ball.

I know it’s not the easiest thing in the world to do, but they should at least be able to do it every now and then.

In AP I trust

by FarvaForTheVikings on Feb 5, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That is so true. Those plays where the guy would fly to the ball at full steam while the ball sat motionless at the 1 yard line, ultimately carrying the ball into the endzone for a touchback were totally uncalled for.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Feb 5, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It didn't happen often...

But mistakes like that are inexcusable!

The ST unit made several Jr. High type of mental errors. You hear a lot about missing Farwell and poor tackling, but there were far too many mental errors made by the unit.

by LoveHate on Feb 6, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember that

David Heron slid into the ball at the one yard line while it lay dead. That was soooooooo stupid. I remember yelling at the T.V. for a couple minutes. Kluwe is a very good punter he needs to be told to punt higher punts with more hang time. Not all his fault but about 75 to 80 percent if you ask me.

by mattscards77 on Feb 5, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

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