First Day of Free Agency Open Thread
Alright, the signings have started, ladies and gentlemen. . .consider this your Daily Norseman stop for discussing what's going on!
According to CBS Sportsline, the Redskins are the winners of the "Who Gets to Vastly Overpay Albert Haynesworth" sweepstakes. Apparently the numbers there are 7 years, $100 million. That's a whole lot of money right there.
Nothing on the Vikings' front yet. . .but apparently on NFL Live last night (after yours truly was fast asleep), former Bengals' wide receiver T.J. Houshmanzadeh said that the Vikings were one of the teams he'd like to play for because he'd love to play with Adrian Peterson. Hey, really. . .who wouldn't love to be teammates with the best running back in the league?
So, talk about today's free agent happenings here, folks. . .and we'll be back with more later on!
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Thta's awesome to hear....
What Housch said is pretty awesome, but at the same time, you know the Vikings wouldn’t do something smart like pick him up. He’d cost a whole lot of cash, but it’s hard to see it as a bad move.
It’s too bad the Vikings won’t pick up on that, but hey, we can dream, right? It’s not like Minnesota hasn’t spent big money on a receiver before. Two years in a row? I’d be very surprised. But I hope.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I KNEW IT!
Just under a month ago, I posted a tid bit about how awesome it would be for the vikings to pick up TJ! And I wake up this morning and I hear a sound bite of TJ expressing interest in our club! IF we can afford it, pull the trigger! Yeah he is older than Nate Washington, and Coles, but man would he compliment Berrian well! WE NEED a CONSISTENT wide receiver. It will make the new QB competition a lot easier on the Rosenfels and TJACK. Zygi knows we need to go deep in the playoffs to get a stadium. GO FOR BROKE! People can disagree about the value, but can you honestly argue that TJ is NOT a perfect fit for this team? Sidney does not excite me anymore, and Berrian is not a physical, get-you-a-first-down wide out. he is a burner! TJ is big and gets some plenty of YAC’s…
But either way, I am excited to know we will be getting a new wide receiver in the mix… Speilman is obviously addressing this issue.
by TSAX on Feb 27, 2009 7:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope so!!!
I would love to have TJ on this team. He would fit perfectly in the locker room and be that receiver we could count on a first down for. The Vikes have the money to do it and I agree with the point that the Vikes need to make a deep playoff run to spark the stadium talks. More importantly, in my opinion, signing TJ would free us from NEEDING to address WR in the draft. With that said I would love to see the Vikes sign TJ and draft Hey-Bey. Can you imagine the throwing lanes with Bernard and Hey-Bey on the outside, with TJ and Wade working the inside? I know its just a dream but its my dream!!!
by JRockItsAllGood on Feb 27, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pats get Fred Taylor
Dunno what they signed him for.
by PizzaDelivery on Feb 27, 2009 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To be in competition with the dallas gay-boys to see who can sign more ppl this offseason.
Ray Lewis will go to Dallas. Everyone goes to Dallas.
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by Macdaddy4508 on Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairly insane...
To hear how much money the Redskins are throwing at Albert Haynesworth. They only had $8.1 under the cap and are giving him $100+ million over seven years with $41 million in the first three years and something like $32 million in the first 13 months.
Where are they getting this money? Those guys working the books for the ‘Skins must be illusionists to be able to pull that off. Kudos to them, they got a good player, but I just don’t know if he was worth that much. Much like when we signed Jared Allen, I was a little nervous once he got his deal his play would drop off. Haynesworth was playing for a contract the past few years, and historically, players who have money on the line play a lot better than when they don’t. For Washington fans, I hope he keeps it up, unless they’re playing the Vikings anyway.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gawd. TJ is just a flirt, guy. First he says he wants to go to the Eagles. Now he’s talking about us. Adam Schefter is saying he was thinking about staying in Cincinnati too. The guy’s just tugging on heart strings here. Cinnci will probably keep him.
As much as I’m sure he’d love to play with Peterson, we simply don’t have Carson Palmer to throw the ball to him. As a result he’s going to see his numbers drop, and he’s certainly going to be getting the ball less.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
TJ probablly wanted to go to the eagles til' he found out Marvin wants to go there... lol
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by Macdaddy4508 on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone wants to go to the Eagles this offseason. Dunno why.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly
Yeah, I was offered a trip up there too this year, and passed on it. It’s really not that great a town.
:)
by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What A Place...
Remember how we were invaded by all those Philly fans during playoff time? Then they lined up enmasse to be “gracious” winners after the game. I went over to their site after the NFC Championship and when Cards fans were doing the same to them, they showed their true colors by screaming to have all of “those trolls” banned from the site and more often than not, the moderators complied. I didn’t see one post that was offensive by the Arizona people other than “good game” or “better luck next time”. “The City of Brotherly Love”…what a joke.
by purplegrey on Feb 28, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly Fans
They have a rep as being the quickest to turn on their team in the NFL, the meanest and harshest around. I’ve never understood that; no matter how many issues I may have with how the Vikes are doing business, or the coaching… when the Beloved Purple takes the field, I always cheer them on. Comes down to game-time, that’s what it’s all about for me.
by DCPurple on Mar 1, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about TJH, though..
He wasn’t the distraction in Cincy. It was usually Chad “Ocho Cinco” Johnson or the troublesome Chris Henry. TJ pretty much kept his mouth shut and played hard. I would love to see that attitude move over to the purple and gold. With super personalities like Jared Allen and the Williams brothers, I can’t see TJ slipping into a bad rut. And, surprisingly, this would make Tarvaris play better, since his confidence will improve after TJ opens it up more for AP and BB and keeps the wolves off Tarvaris’ arse.
Worth the money, in my opinion. Ticket sales, better record, further in the playoffs, perhaps leading to more leverage power in getting the city to pay for a larger part of a new stadium….what more can you want Mr. Wilf (Dawkins to replace Sharper, if he leaves? A super DE to line up at the other end, making the pressure on opposing QBs unbearable to them?)
by Lofoten on Feb 27, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did I say Williams brothers?
…Man has this been a long week. Meant the Williams Wall. In any case, contacting TJ and seeing if his interest is real would be a good idea. This team is an inch away from trouncing the rest of the NFL. Great D, Great running game, etc. With a new special teams coach, new QB and TJ…we can rock n roll!
by Lofoten on Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just read that Warner is hitting free-agency… Too bad we won’t sign him because we’re getting Sage, and I’m sure Childress will settle for that.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
TJ and $
Sure it would be nice to get TJH but my goodness, do you realize what he will cost?
They are still yapping up Garcia to the Vikes on ESPN.
by CitrusFLViking on Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stacy Andrews has signed with the Eagles. I can’t find anywhere saying if we’re having any current visits from FAs right now. We’re probably still working out Birk’s contract I suppose. But with Andrews out of the picture, I don’t see us getting a quality OT in FA, meaning we’ll be nabbing one in the draft.
Also, the Vikes are supposedly interested in Nate Washington, but he’s visiting with Detroit right now. If he doesn’t get a deal there, he’ll either be headed here next or off to Tampa Bay.
Houshmenzada Update: He’s in Seattle right now. That would be scary if they sign him. TJ, Crabtree, and a healthy Hasselbeck? Ouch. They’ll probably reclaim their NFC Wor- I mean West title back.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A little perspective on the Haynesworth deal
Haynesworth’s contract – 7 years, maximum value of $115 million
Kevin Williams – 7 years, maximum value of $50 million
Jared Allen – 7 years, maximum value of $73 million
So Haynesworth’s deal could, potentially, be worth $8 million less than Jared Allen and Kevin Williams combined.
I’m not sure how much Williams and Allen have guaranteed. . .but I’d be surprised if it exceeded Haynesworth’s $41 million guarantee.
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by Gonzo on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Thank you Redskins for once again reminding us all why its bad to overpay your free agents. If Haynesworth plays at an all pro level he will have barely earned those kind of dollars. If he blows out a knee at any point, the Redskins will up Sh@# creek. Free agency is a dangerous wasteland of expectations in most cases.
That being said, who should the Vikes spend their big bucks on??!!!!!
I’m a big fan of Housh. The problem is, we would have a huge sum of money wrapped up in our 2 starting receivers. Its not the safest play for Brzynski to make, so look for the Vikes to pick him up only if some other guys get signed and Housh is still saying how much he likes the Vikes in a few days.
Other receivers out there include Torry Holt, who I’ve always liked and could be a good fit, but I’m unsure what his health is like of late. All I know is he screwed my fantasy team this year, and I’m not sure if he still has the wheels.
Nate Washington is the other name I hear, and he could be good to and probably wouldn’t cost much. I don’t know if he’s starter quality though. I’ll just be happy if they bring in someone to push Sidney and Aundrae a little bit.
There’s not much left out there on the O-line front. All the good tackles are gone. Jon Runyan is injured. Willie Colon is gone now too. There’s a couple guys, but its looking more like we head to the draft with my friend Phil’s grandmother as our starting ORT. Obviously we need to either sign Birk back or pick up Jason Collins, I don’t care which at this point.
Just to quickly address Sage one more time. I think its a great pick up. No, he’s not our QB of the future, but he is capable of managing a game for us, probably better than Tarvaris. Plus, it buys us time to see if TJack is close at all. I think this is TRULY the year we make a decision on TJack. Sage was a much smarter choice in economics and age than Warner, Garcia, Cassell, or Derek Anderson, and let’s all say it together……..they were the ONLY other possibilities. None of them good.
Let’s hope the Vikes are smarter than us!!!
by NYCVike on Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not TJack
I think this is TRULY the year we make a decision on TJack.
No, this is the year we TRULY make a decision on Childress. And that decision is going to rest on the play of our quarterback—whoever that turns out to be.
Fire Childress!
by dwarg on Feb 27, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Since he got here, he’s gone 6-10, 8-8, and then 10-6 with a playoff birth. That’s a pretty nice progression. Getting 10 wins and into the playoffs is nothing to sneeze at. If the Vikings regress a bunch this year, then maybe take a look, but the team has improved each year. Underachieved? Yeah, but I’ve been a little happier with how things have gone lately.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zigi's Money
I think the progression of the team has more to do with Zigi’s smoking checkbook and our luck with Peterson falling to us in the draft than anything Childress has done. In fact I’d say the team has won in spite of Childress.
Chili has become a lot better at communicating with his players (and a little better with fans) since he started, but he’s still an inflexible and arrogant coach who has shown little ability to adapt to conditions on the field.
Fire Childress!
by dwarg on Feb 27, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since..
..t’s mostly a front-loaded contract, they’re basically making it easy to cut him after about 4 or 5 years… Without a lot of damage.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Feb 27, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Allen was like $31 million
if I recall correctly. Dan Snyder and his minion Vinny Cerrato have managed again to overpay for talent with big ?? and it’s not only Haynesworth but the $50 million they shoveled at Deangelo Hall.
The only problem with Houshmanzadeh is his likely pricetag and his age for a possession type receiver although I think he could give the Vikes some much needed punch on the slants and such for a couple of years. To run a good WCO you need physical wideouts and we don’t have any right now.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Feb 27, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a rediculous contract. Someone that wins superbowls signs a contract like that...
But haynesworth? I bet he won’t even be that productive with the skins… wow.
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by Macdaddy4508 on Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh Daniel.
Everyone just knew that we could depend on Redskins owner Daniel Snyder to get trigger happy and grossly overpay for someone before we even got out of bed this morning. Not only did he sign Haynesworth to a ridiculous contract, he re-signed DeAngelo Hall for a 6 yr/$54 mil deal, $22.5 million guaranteed.
To recap, Snyder gave $154 million in contracts and $63.5 million guaranteed for a guy that hasn’t played a full season since his rookie year (where he only started three games) and a guy who was so bad in Oakland last year that they cut him after eight games. I bet even George Steinbrenner would think Snyder pays way too much for overrated “name” guys, and Steinbrenner basically invented it. And look how well it turned out for both the Yankees and Redskins during this decade.
It’s comforting to know that no matter what the Vikings do in free agency this year, it’s pretty much impossible to match the stupidity of Mr. Snyder and his Redskins.
by ericj69 on Feb 27, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Redskins will play well on Madden at least.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point!
I’m not really excited about playing as the Vikings in Madden 2010 and playing with a starting QB that has a rating of 80 or less.
by ericj69 on Feb 27, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got sick of Tarvaris...
So I traded for Gentle Ben.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well… They update rosters at least. So if one of them plays well, they’ll maybe bump them up to 81 or 82. They can be kind of bunk at times too, Keith Rivers being a 90 for instance, so who knows. Maybe the developers will get an infatuation with Rosenfels or Jackson and kick them up to 85s.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3939777
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
by SDviking on Feb 27, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Housh = yes please
I know he’d cost quite a bit, but TJ is exactly what the Vikings need to bolster their offense. Besides, of course, a big-time QB, but the we’re obviously sticking to the bargain basement there. The thought of BB streaking down the field while Housh picks up the tough first downs and AP punishes the front seven (or eight or nine) makes me more excited than this girl is excited about kittens.
I know he’d cost quite a bit, but we have room under the cap for one or two big contracts, and I couldn’t think of a better way to spend the money than on a proven WR and team leader.
by ericj69 on Feb 27, 2009 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
just bringing it up
how bout the vikings bringing in possibly shawn springs? tell me what you think bout it
by hickenizgriz on Feb 27, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely worth considering.
After the spending spree the Redskins just did, I really doubt they’ll be able to do anything with Springs. He’d probably be a starter right away and he’d give us some great depth at CB…I’d definitely approve of going after him for the right price.
by ericj69 on Feb 27, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any tackles we can pursue?
I’m sick of hearing: “Penalty on Ryan Cook”
by mjschaefer on Feb 27, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only ones worth signing were Gross and Andrews, both of which are already signed. So we’ll be drafting instead it looks like. Can’t complain about that either, there’s plenty of OT talent in the draft. Maybe we’ll get this year’s Otah.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a name thats still out there
is Mark Tauscher… i know he was and could possibly still be a packer after the offseason.. but would be a HUGE upgrade over Cook
by hickenizgriz on Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think GB is going to resign him. I read an article earlier in the off season about him saying he wanted to stick with the Fudge Packers, so I doubt we’ll get ahold of him. It’d be nice, but its unlikely unfortunately.
by Frost on Feb 27, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i agree..
but our OL would be obviously the best in the league if it isnt already.. minus Cook
by hickenizgriz on Feb 27, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would they at least invite someone to town already?
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by LoveHate on Feb 27, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still the first day -
They still might. I didn’t expect them to do a ton this year in free agency; nothing like last year, anyway. The free agency period just started, so there’s still the potential, and a lot of guys will talk to at least a few teams.
So it’s still possible, but like you, I’m very anxious to see what transpires.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Nate Washington?
So, how about this. I just heard that the vikings have shown interest in Steelers Wide Receiver Nate Washington. I think it would be a great addition and more of a possession wide receiver than we’ve had. We need an established receiver. TJ might be a little too expensive, but Nate Washington has a similar skillset, for a lot less cash. What does everybody else think?
by pjhfh7 on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting bored!
The Vikes are sitting on their butts here. No news except for Sage. No visits, just feelers.
Michael Clayton. I’ve watched him enough down here to tell you he is not worth a big paycheck. Along with that, O-line players are getting snatched up and we are doing nothing to bring them in. Childress is still in Indy looking for his next big 6th round QB project he will trade up to get
Lets go Vikes! A right guard or tackle would be nice right now -hopefully both!
by CitrusFLViking on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before...
Don’t worry. It’s still early. This wasn’t an especially good free agent class. The Vikings spent a lot of money last year during the free agency period. It’s still very possible that T.J. Housch visits Minnesota. I doubt the Vikings would sign him, but of all the positions to fill in free agency, wide receiver is the one that stands out the most. It’s hard to transition from college to pro at the WR position, so drafting a WR is a long term project.
Offensive line I’m not too worried about. Tackles can step in and play right away. At 22, the Vikings have the potential to be able to snag one of the top four in the draft. As for guard, it’s not a huge need in my opinion, but taking a guy in the second or third round could be enough. So no, the Vikings won’t have any marquee pick ups right away – us fans were spoiled after last year’s cornucopia of action and signings. It’s still possible; just highly doubtful.
In my opinion.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Collins
He resigned with the Titans. Two years, $15 million. Guess they really like him.
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by Manimal on Feb 27, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hear that?
It’s Vince Young’s butt wincing at the fact it’s riding the pine again next year. Or maybe it was his mom calling the police about his “mental health” again.
by ericj69 on Feb 27, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that...
make Garcia worth? A lot less in my opinion.
PS- Good points Manimal. I am just spoiled by last year.
by CitrusFLViking on Feb 27, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
T.J baby!!
Well since Ziggy loves to spend cash we better go out and get T.J. The Sage Rosenfels pick-up was terrible
by Supabad1edy on Feb 27, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We Resigned Kleinsasser.
3 Years!!!!…
And Nate Washington looks headed to the Lions.
by Tony_O on Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to wonder..
If Sage and T-jax are what we have to rely on for QB then maybe the best thing is to dish out the $ for Housh. Give these QB’s all the weapons they need. If the QB situation fails, then Zigi has nothing else but to admit Childress is an idiot and fire him. So sign the big ticket.. Give Chilly all the ammo he will need and if the great QB guru is all he is said to be , we’ll win. if not, we got the weapons and go after a bonified starter next year. Seems like our best hope short of signing Warner or Garcia
by CitrusFLViking on Feb 27, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How does John Sullivan fit
Is he still with the team? If so, will he be of any value??
by kenmtb on Feb 27, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN's take on Sage Rosenfels
Comment: Rosenfels is a career backup who has been with three teams in his seven-year career and has started a total of seven games. He is an excellent athlete with an above-average arm. He has a hard time putting all components of a game together, which is why he will struggle to be more than a backup. He is a better athlete than he is a quarterback. He tends to overestimate his ability to force the ball into small windows and ends up with too many interceptions. He is inconsistent with his delivery and ends up throwing the ball from too many launching points, which can make it difficult for his receivers to locate the ball. He is not great at reading coverages and appears to stay with his primary target too long, leading the coverage to the receiver. He has more success in the dink and dunk game than when throwing the short and intermediate outs. However, he has enough of an arm to go downfield and get some air under his throws, which allows the receivers to run under the ball.
Remind you of anyone? Kinda reminds me of T-Jack. Good ability. Cant’ read defenses. Stares down first read too long. Throws too many picks. Can’t throw the short and intermediate out routes? (Playoff game anyone?)
I really hate this signing. The best thing anyone has said was something like “He has put together some good games, maybe he can come in here and do that?” Seriously? The Vikings are one piece away from becoming a dynasty, and all they are doing is standing pat with mediocre at best QB’s. Ridiculous. I would actually like the Vikings to make a play at Garcia or someone. At least that way it would look like they are actually trying to upgrade the weakest position on the team. How about Warner? Yes he would cost a lot of money. But the Vikings have plenty of cap and only one true need. I’m just disgusted and needed to vent. Thanks for reading! LMAO
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 12:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that blows this all to hell is his completion rate. 66. Yes. 66. He played in as many games as Jackson and completed 7% more passes, he definitely threw the ball more as well. Sure, he didn’t throw as many TDs as Jackson, and 5x the Ints, but he was playing Baltimore and a resfreshed Colts Defense.
He hasn’t had a team like this before. We have one of the better lines if we can shore up the RT position. With Peterson, he won’t have to try to force too many throws, because he’s going to see some easier coverage on his recievers. And if they do start throwing in some double or, highly unlikely, triple coverage, Peterson will make them pay.
I’m not excited for it mysel, but I’m not adverse to it either. If he doesn’t work out, we at least have a very good backup for years to come. But if he does, we have several more years from him to come. Many more than Warner or Garcia, who are big names but have just as many question marks if they came here. Could Warner imitate his success in Arizona without Boldin, Breaston, and Fitzgerald? Is Garcia’s age going to catch up to him? Will either succeed in Childress’ run-heavy offense? Will they be okay with only throwing the ball 20 times a game? Picking up Sage was low-risk, high-reward, and I like it for that reason. If it works out, we got quite the deal. If it doesn’t, we still have an excellent 2nd option.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but that 7%
Could be that he had better WR’s..Maybe one named Andre Johnson… I heard he was pretty decent sarcasm.. We had ALOT of drops this year. You can’t blame the whole Completeion percentage on the QB.. That’s like calling the Williamson drops in the broncos game the year before last as Jacksons fault even tho he put it in the right spot. I’m just saying 7 percent doesnt matter… now… if it was like a 15-20 percent difference… then yes.. QBs fault.. unless it was 7th grade football
by hickenizgriz on Feb 28, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he had Andre Johnson, but you are forgetting..
that Andre Johnson demands double teams. That makes the completion harder to achieve. Do thinkany of our WRs demand double teams with Peterson out on the field? No, not really. Sure, there were some drops this year. I don’t recall a ton, except in the first two games. Other than that, it wasn’t so bad.
Fact of the matter still is that Jackson had 149 attempts in 5.5 games and finished with 59.4% completion. Rosenfels had 174 attempts in 5 and finished with 66.7. That’s more attempts, meaning the odds would be against him to have a better % than Jackson, and yet he did. 7 difference is quite a bit in the NFL. You’re very, very rarely going to see a 15 – 20% diference between even the best QB and the worst QB. I doubt Andre Johnson, good as he is, accounted for an extra 7%. It could just be that maybe, maybe, Sage Rosenfels is an accurate QB. Who knows. He has a career completion % of 62.5, which is respectable. He’s thrown about a season’s worth of footballs.
The only knock I have on him is the interceptions. But we did survive Gus Frerotte’s interceptions last year and managed to get into the playoffs with homefield advantage, so Rosenfels isn’t going to hurt us anymore than we were hurt last year.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i was just throwing it out there just so you could see the other side.
by hickenizgriz on Feb 28, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I’ve thought about it for a while, from both perspectives. It’s pretty much the Matt Cassel arguement for Rosenfels. Good WR possibly making a QB look better than he is. I just like the trade because it was cheap, the guy is relatively young, he can come in and win games if a starter goes down (assuming he’s the backup), and the cieling is high on the rewards if he turns out to do well here.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No free agent will cure what ails Vikings
“There’s no set way to kind of climb that mountain to get to the first quarterback position,” Childress said. “Whether it’s Sage’s path or Tarvaris’ path with some backsteps. Or Jake Delhomme through New Orleans, or Kurt Warner and how he got to the top. It can be a circuitous path. It’s not always as you plan it.”
That quote was from Childress when talking about the QB situation. Does anyone else see anything wrong with that quote? “Tarvaris’ path with some backsteps”? really? Why would he need to take a backstep? That would imply that he was too good, and needed to bring his level of play down a notch or two. “Or Jake Delhomme through New Orleans?” In Delhomme’s 2 seasons in New Orleans, he played in 6 games. Why is Delhomme even mentioned when talking about QB’s at the top of the mountain? Didn’t he throw 1 TD and 5 picks in the postseason? Is Delhomme a QB Childress considers “on top of the mountain” Really? That’s just depressing.
So like I said, no free agent will cure what ails the Vikings. Until the Vikings get rid of Childress, they will be a middle of the road team. There is too much talent on this team to be a 1 and done team again this year. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not being unrealistic. The Vikings had 6 pro bowlers this year, tied for second in the NFL. I think they were tied for 2nd most pro bowlers last year too. With that much talent, there should be no reason for this team to go 1 and done. Mike Tice had this team as a 9-7 team. Mike Tice! Childress came in and all of a sudden this team went 6-10. 6-10! Then AD falls to the Vikings the next year in the draft. Peterson probably single handedly won 4-5 games himself, setting the NFL single game rushing record on the process, and all Childress can muster is a .500 season. What has Childress done? Brought in Jared Allen and drafted AD. Yet I must wonder how much of that was because of Childress and how much of that was due to Speilman and the rest of the front office? I do think it was all Childress who decided to move up to the 2nd round to get T-Jack, even though most people predicted him to be a 4-5 rounder. I really hate Childress. He is incapable of managing games. He is incapable of game planning. He is incapable of using his players to maximize their strengths. Those 3 things are what being a head coach is all about. Why is he still the head coach?! God I hate Childress.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 1:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure the backstep Childress is referring to is Jackson’s benching. Which, you know, is a back step when on the path of trying to get to become a top-QB, since he started being on the bench when drafted, started, and then ended up being benched again, hence moving backwards on that path. It has absolutely nothing to do with Childress saying he isn’t talented, or that he had to take his talent down a notch. I honestly don’t know how you came up with that from the quote.
And as for the Probowl being an indication of how good a team is, I couldn’t help but laugh. Especially since the proof of this fallacy is available in your very example. The Vikings were second in probowlers this year, okay. Remind me again, who had the most? Wasn’t it the REDSKINS? By your logic, that’d make the Redksins the most talented team in the NFL. I don’t even think they got a whiff of the post-season or were even considered to have a chance to get there one the season kicked off.
You’re right that no FA will cure the Vikes this season. Absolutely right. And I’d apply it a step further and say that no available coach is going to help them either. I’m a firm believer in consistancy with coaches. Teams that go to the SB don’t do it with first year coaches (Unless they’re Jon Gruden). It took Cowher 15 years or so go make it there. You’d have probably had him fired if the Vikes were in his place after three or four years. Schottenheimer, another name I hear all the time, took the Chargers to a 14-2 season, but went 1 and done in the playoffs, with a team that was certainly more talented than our’s. LT had scored a record number of TDs that season and ran for 1800+ yards. What makes people think he’ll take us closer to a SB here? Who else is there to get that’ll give us a better chance? I can’t think of anybody, and so I’d rather stick with the improving Childress. Every year he gets a little better, which is fine by me. Better than regressing.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
glad you’re happy with mediocrity. I am not. I see potential. You see complacency. You sound like a true Bears fan.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, well, I’ll tell you what. Get a job as a GM, and go ahead and try out your scenario. Call me crazy, but there’s a reason that it doesn’t happen very often. Maybe that’s because it’s rarely a good idea for a franchise. Childress or not, I doubt it would get done. Your hatred aimed at the guy is pointless.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forward Progress
I believe that’s what Frost said, every year Chilly’s done better. I agree, it’s hard to argue with that, especially since the Vikes are the NFC North Champs last year. As long as we have forward progress, there’s just not that many games/seasons between 1-and-done, and the Super Bowl.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Chilly and his KAO. I think it’s stifling and unimaginative and if it weren’t for AP, I think it would fail. But the fact is, we do have AP, and we’re heading up… and that ain’t mediocrity, that’s knockin’ on the door and threatening to bust in.
by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
talent is being wasted
Do the Steelers have a better team overall than the Vikings? I don’t think so. They have a better QB and slightly better WR’s. The Vikings have a better RB and a better O-Line. I say the defenses are even. So what’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Coaching. It’s simple fact. Yes, the Vikings have progressed. They had a 10-6 season. respectable. But when you think that Mike Tice had this team at 9-7, it puts it into perspective for you. There is a lot more talent on this roster now then Tice had. Yet 3 seasons later, only one win more. Not progression IMO. And think about this… Childress has a career head coaching record of .500. There is no way this Vikings team is a .500 team. In 3 years, there has been 1 playoff game. and that was a debacle. If people are fine with the way things are, then that is fine. They are entitled to my opinions. But I for one am not. Truth be told, I had mixed emotions when the Vikings made it to the playoffs last year. On one hand, it’s always great when your favorite team in any sport makes it to the playoffs. But I knew there was no chance of them going to the big game, and just making it meant Childress was going to stay.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rather have coach? I realize that Childress isn’t the most enticing prospect, and truth be told, if I thought there was a better alternative I’d say to go out and nab the guy. But I simply can’t think of anybody who’ll do just as good or better. The coaches available to sign are typically recycled trash from other teams, unless you promote from within. But that isn’t exactly helping the Bucs right now.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Marty Shottenheimer
Jon Gruden
There are 5 coaches I would much rather have then Childress. They are all sitting at home right now. Can you see through your man crush enough to see that any of these coaches would be way better than Childress?
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher took 15 years to win a SB with the Steelers. Not only that, but he just bought a house in Ohio. I doubt he wants to coach anymore.
Mike Shannahan might be a good fit, I wouldn’t complain about that.
Mike Holmgren has lost his touch. He might do alright, but I don’t see it happening with our roster.
Schottenheimer, like I said before, took a much more talented team to a 14-2 record, but a one and done in the playoffs. If you want to get to the big dance, this isn’t the guy to have.
Gruden sure has done well for the Bucs, right? He got a SB win under his belt, but he didn’t do much recently. And we’d just end up collecting old QBs that don’t help us much anyways.
So, I can agree with Shannahan, he’d be a good fit I think, but I really don’t see the other coaches helping us out all that much.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher will want to coach be next year. Every coach does.
Mike Shanahan – would love to get him in here!
Mike Holmgren – I don’t think he’s washed up. He just took Seattle to the superbowl a couple years ago. Seattle did horribly last year, but they were dominated by injuries.
Schottenheimer – I don’t think that Chargers team was any better than the Vikings current roster, except for QB. He would be 4th on my list, but I would still prefer him over Childress
Gruden – Would love to come here. We already have a collection of back up QB’s! But he has coached in the big game, and know what it takes to wim, unlike Chilly.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 1, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Comparisons
You have a good point there, both teams have issues to shore up. But I think the Vikes issues are deeper because of the need at QB and WR; those are just not areas that are easy to make up for by doing other things.
You know, something that’s weird to me when I hear it, are references to AP turning into the leader of the offense. Maybe it’s just me, but that’s always seemed like the QB’s province, the natural leader position. Is it undermined because so few QBs get to call their own plays these days? Or is a lack of leadership from the QB that enables another position to pick it up?
I think we need 1 more year to know where Chilly stands in comparison with Tice. If the Vikes don’t do better, then he’s probably Tice Jr. But right now, he’s displaying a pretty good progression curve, IF it continues then we’ll know that’s what it is. If it doesn’t, then the ‘Peter Principle’ is in effect; Childress has risen to his level of incompetence.
I don’t think that ANY of us are fine with where we’ve come so far, we all want more. Personally, I think that if the right moves are made in the next couple months, we’re going to see the Vikings in the Big Game in 2010. I know, risky to say things like that, might jinx ‘em [grin], but hope springs eternal. And I think it’s justified, because you’re right; this isn’t a .500 team, it’s more like a .800 team. And it’s just a few pieces from filling the gap.
by DCPurple on Mar 1, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ona side note
I just checked out the other team’s in our division SB Nation pages, and there are practically no comments! The Bears guys comment quite a bit, but when I went to the Lion’s and Packer’s page, a tumbleweed rolled across my screen. There are no comments at all. I kinda feel sorry for them. Kinda.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 28, 2009 2:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Housyermama!
That would be a choice move if he can be had for a reasonable price. Fingers crossed, I hope the Vikes bring him in. It would make the draft situation a lot clearer and result in an immediate positive impact.
by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They probably will. Could you imagine the outrage if they had the guy and let him slip through their fingers when we have more than enough caproom for him? Especially since people are so upset over the Rosenfels deal, this would increase fan’s optimism and possibly help towards building that stadium.
by Frost on Feb 28, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope so, he could easily be the missing piece in the WR corps for the next 3 years. I’d love to watch teams mis-match between him and AP all year long, heh. How much he wants is the issue.
Rosefels was a steal, people need to take a deep breath over that. Best case scenario, he matures into the next franchise QB in the NFL, worst case is that he’s a reliable backup behind T-Jack. Either way, we needed him, and he’s at least as good a prospect as anyone in FA with the possible question mark of Cassell (whom we wouldn’t have gotten so cheaply because we don’t have any dirt on Belichik :) ).
Now we wait to see who Chilly really has in mind as the new vet #1 QB for the Vikes…. He’s said 4 QBs this year, Gus is done, and they aren’t looking at FA, so I think there’s something brewing in the backrooms…
by DCPurple on Mar 1, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’ll prove me wrong. People were talking about having 4 QBs on the roster back after the playoff loss, and I said I couldn’t see us doing it. I suppose it depends on who he brings in, whether I’ll support losing a roster space for that extra QB. Hopefully they aren’t planning on drafting anyone.
by Frost on Mar 1, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearing Roster Space
JDB. ’Nuff said :)
by DCPurple on Mar 1, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
naw man...
how about we clear one of the 19 Full Backs/TE’s we have on the roster
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 1, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 RBs and 3 TEs… and yeah, now that you mention it…. Jeff Dugan can go too, along with JDB. They can hold each other’s hands for comfort as they go OUT THE DOOR.
by DCPurple on Mar 1, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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