Cassel Franchised
by Eric J. Thompson on Feb 5, 2009 5:30 PM CST
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PrintWell, the Patriots did it. They franchised Matt Cassel.
Cassel is still technically a free agent, but if the Vikings or any other team want him, it'll cost quite a bit. Like two first round picks quite a bit.
Personally, I loved the idea of bringing Cassel in to take over for our current poo-poo platter of quarterbacks, but he'll cost way too much. There's no doubt he exceeded everyone's expectations this past season, but there are still way too many questions about him:
- Will he get Derek Anderson Syndrome, fizzling out after being a one-year wonder at QB?
- Was he a product of the Belichick System, which makes the "Kick Ass Offense" look like it was drawn in the sand? (Note: I'm still waiting for definitive proof that the K.A.O. isn't actually drawn in the sand.)
- Even if he plays as well as he did this past season or better, is that worth giving up two first rounders?
I believe there are very few people in the league that are worth trading two first round picks for, and Matt Cassel is not one of them. But what do you guys think? Let us know on the poll and comments.
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I am pretty sure
that childress and bevel use crayons.
Anyways, Cassel is not worth two first rounders.
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Agree
He had one good year under one of better offensive geniuses in our time. I just do not see Cassel being worth that much. Mind, you he is not Brady after all.With the Vikes being the Vikes they prolly will go after him anywayz.
The problem is the gamble. Is he worth two first rounders, I don’t think so. Is he worth going after, maybe. Like it’s been brought up in the other threads, perhaps we can trade Taylor and a pick or two for Cassel. Taylor will be missed here, but his talent isn’t getting put to as much use as it should be anyways. Cassel has at least shown he can be consistent with the right tools in place. Could you plug Jackson into that offense instead of Cassel and get the same results? Who knows. Its possible.
But Cassel did do well last season. Of course, how he plays will be completely different if he comes here. We’re not so pass heavy, so it’ll be harder for him to get into a rhythm. The thing that worries me is that, prior to starting in place of the injured Brady, Cassel was absolute garbage. He didn’t look like he understood an offense at all. He threw picks left and right. And the results were similar near the beginning of the Pats season, until he grew acclimated and then he started to wow everyone. If he could be half as good here as he was in New England from the middle of the season, it should take us to another playoff berth.
Thank God!
I’m glad this happened. Now everyone who comments won’t talk about Cassel. I didn’t see it happening in the first place. He is definetly just another perk of Bill Bellicheck. The guy is obviously very comfortable in that offense. I think he would have bombed in the WCO. I mean the guy had Randy Moss AND Wes Welker! not to mention a great offensive line. And a defense that kept them in most games. He was a good quarterback in an offense that Tom Brady was the BEST EVER. So what would he be in our offense. Probably Just another guy like Kyle Orton. Probably would fair better because our offense is better, but not worth what it would have cost even if he was a F.A.
Matt Hasselbeck
I want Hasselbeck on the Vikings. I heard rumblings about it a while ago…but I haven’t heard much about it lately. Maybe someone can tell me if they have heard anything new. It wouldn’t cost us nearly as much as Cassel…and I think Hasselbeck would be perfect for our team. He is used to crappy WR…but the thing is our receiving core is improving. Last time he had a good RB and a good O-Line he went to the super bowl.
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by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 5, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
They'll Want Too Much
As others have already said, Cassel thrives in a system with Randy Moss and Wes Welker to throw the ball to, but would he thrive in Chilly’s system? Too high a price to gamble away draft picks like that (see Hershel Walker). The team needs a veteran QB that is familiar with the WCO and there will be a few available in the coming months. Be patient guys.
Think About It
C’mon Frost, tell the truth. Exactly how bright did things look for us at this time last year? Suddenly, we traded for Jared Allen…We signed Bernard Berrian…We signed Madieu Williams…We signed Maurice Hicks…(er, forget about that one…well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad). The draft is still a couple of months away. If anything, Ziggy has been more than willing to open his wallet to bring talent to this team where it’s needed most. Last year they thought Tavaris was still the answer. He may still be but he needs seasoning first. I have no doubt that the front office is beating the bushes now to shore up our weak spots and quarterback is one of them. It’s way too early to push the panic button. That’s all I’m saying about being patient.
Cassell...
…is not worth two 1st round picks. But no team is going to have to pay that. The highest bidder is going to do a sign and trade (like what the Vikes did with Jared Allen last year.) Bellichick knows Cassell is going to bring a high price, which is why he franchised him. The Patriots are one of the best teams when it comes to the salary cap. There is no way they are going to commit almost 30% of their entire salary cap to 2 players. Cassell is definitely on the trading block. The Patriots just didn’t want him to get away without getting anything in return.
It’s amazing what the truly great teams can do. They can take a QB who hasn’t started a game since High School, draft him in the 7th round, and a few years later trade him for something in the range of what the chiefs got for Allen last year. Amazing.
Cassell is a product of the system IMO. I think he would be a good QB in another system. Probably something similar to Matt Schaub. Definitely better than anything the Vikings have right now. But not worth the price. Plus, the VIkings don’t have the cap space to add another huge contract.
Lets say Cassell requires a 1st, 3rd and a 4th round pick. (reasonable considering the Jared Allen precedence.) I’d rather see the Vikings take those picks and use them to get a proven QB. LIke a Carson Palmer or Matt Hasselbeck. (Both of which I think would be cheaper anyways.)
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Feb 5, 2009 11:50 PM CST reply actions
No more talk
I hope all the talk about Cassel being a Viking stops now. I was getting sick of hearing how this system QB on a loaded offense would be somethng great here right away. Not only is the price to high in draft picks but we would have to sign him to a big deal as well and I think we need to be careful with our cap space for next year (Greenway, Robison). I really love the thought of Hasselbeck coming over though.
No Hasselbeck
You guys need to know that Adam Caplan, a very reliable source about the inner workings of the Vikings and the league in general, is saying that Hasselbeck’s shoulder is really messed up. The Hasselbeck that would come to our team would not be the guy who played so well for Seattle.
As far as Matt Cassel goes, I think we pursue him with a very sure idea of what our max price is. A first and third round pick tops and see what we can work out with his agent. I still think Derek Anderson or Sage Rosenfels are our best possible upgrades when you consider price/talent ratio, but you can’t take Cassel out of the mix until someone else outbids you for him.
As much as we can say that we should give up on getting a QB cause he’s too expensive you know everyone on this forum will be bitching when next year comes and all we have is TJack and not even Gus Frerotte to back him up. Think about it. Its scary.
The good news is Chilly seems to do very well with high priced free agents, and which ones are worth the cash (equally bad on cheap free agents who waste our salary, here’s lookin at you Thomas Tapeh) so hopefully we won’t spend a lot on a guy who would be a FA bust.
Worth it?
He’d be worth it if we could be sure he’d work out. He’d be worth 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for the next 3 years, IF we could be certain he’d work out…
But we’re not. It’s too much of a gamble and the odds are not on the Viking’s side in this one. I would let him pass, let the Patriots eat their franchise choice and have to pay him and Brady both the big bucks.
He won’t pass. He’s too much of a commodity. Teams need good QBs, it isn’t just us who’s looking at Cassel. Was he a system QB? Who knows. He at least showed he can do very well in that system with the right pieces. He could do well here, but I’d feel more comfortable if we added a bit of talent to the WRs. Or he could end up being a bust. It’s the risk you take when you trade and sign any player. Wouldn’t the benefits, if he does turn out to be as good as he played last year, outweigh the risks we’d be taking?
Super Bowl Champs
If he came to the Vikes, and produced as well for us as he did for NE, he’d be more than worth it. I wouldn’t begrudge the lost picks because the Vikes wouldn’t need those picks for the next 3 years as they rampaged to the Big Game again and again.
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But man, what a gamble…. what if he doesn’t work out…. the track record just isn’t there.
I agree that competition is a good thing and T-Jack needs some work, but I doubt any of these QB’s mentioned are going to come in and win the starting job over TJ. There’s just too much to learn and he has too much of a head start. I know Garcia, McNabb and probably a few others are experienced in the WCO, but aren’t they all a little different? Like terminology and such?
Question is.....
what QB would generate the most buzz by coming to town? What QB would put the vikes in the national spotlight (to help with the stadium issue perhaps??) without even stepping on the field for 3 months?
Favremania coming to Winter Park.
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