Cutler

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 6:06 AM CDT Comment 64 comments

What reason would the Vikings possibly have to not go after Jay Cutler harder than they've gone after any other player in the past 4 or 5 years? They need a quarterback. We know that. They Know that. Everyone knows that. Jay Cutler is a franchise quarterback that I strongly believe could be pulled away from Denver for a decent player and a first round pick. Why dont the Vikings pursue Cutler more seriously?

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Denver not serious

Because the Broncos do not want to get rid of him for nothing.
What does Minny have to offer? A #22 draft pick? Adrian Peterson? I think Cutler is a good QB, but his pouting about hearing that his name was brought up in trade talks shows his lack of maturity.
Again, no one has thought of Denver, what would they give up Jay for? If you believe that he is a franchise QB, why would the Broncs trade him?

by DBQViking on Mar 11, 2009 6:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

You hit it right on the head. It’s the same situation with Chad Johnson last year; Cutler will continue his complaining, but ultimately no trade will happen. And if the Broncos we’re legitimately trying to deal Cutler, we don’t have enough to land him.
The minimum it would take to acquire him is Chester , our 1st rounder this year, and future picks. And I’m not even willing to do that. We had an above-average draft our first year under Spielman, and I’d like to see the front office add some more young talent through the draft this year. We’re getting old at a few key positions and need to draft future replacements for them rather than trade them away for the second straight off-season.

by Ryder7 on Mar 11, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what do you mean why would the Broncs trade him? Cutler and McDaniels have been in a fight ever since McDaniels took over. Maybe he’s trying to go in a different direction than cutler. A #22 pick and YES, ADRIAN PETERSON, exactly right thats who I would want traded… get rid of A.P. and why not Jared Allen too… we dont need those guys.

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

coalcowski

are you a denver fan because your not a vikings your idea dumb!!!!!!

by new york viking on Mar 11, 2009 7:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that was sarcasm, bro

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DBQViking said it best...

The Vikings are no doubt trying very hard to land Cutler. The Broncos, meanwhile, aren’t taking this idea seriously because they have no other QB options.

I’m sure they don’t want Jackson.

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by Andersklasen on Mar 11, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pull The Trigger

Get Cutler. It’s that simple. If Cutler is available, find out what it takes, work the deal, give up anyone short of AP, and the 1st round draft pick this year. Give up the 1st and 2nd picks, even the third as well.

Do it. Get Cutler.

by DCPurple on Mar 11, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Coughherschelwalkercough

How about we try and get a bargain out of this instead of a fleecing. Its not even a plausible trade though. We’d be more likely to nab Carson Palmer or Manning than we are of getting Cutler in a trade at this point.

by Frost on Mar 11, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giving up Draft Picks

I know, shades of the Old Trauma…. and at first blush, I’d have to agree.

But I thought about it and what comes to mind is this;

1) The Vikes need a quality, dependable QB, the way a drowning man needs water.
2) FA is a bust, and this year’s draft won’t get us the a usable 1st string QB, someone who can step in and immediately be a play-maker. In fact, the best that this year’s draft will get us is a WR, and even that’s a question mark. If we pick a wiley vet, like Harrison or Holt, on the cheeeepers no less, we’re ok in that department. Not perfect, but ok for a year.
3) This year’s draft is deep in linemen… so we can pick up good options for the line, lower down in the draft, and there’s really only a couple line positions we’re concerned about (some depth at C and that pesky right-side).
4) Every draft pick is a roll of the dice under the best of conditions anyway.

In short, I don’t think we’ll ever see another draft year where we can let go of #1, #2, & #3 (even with #4 already gone!), and it not really hurt us badly. We have a team that’s more than young enough to skip a year of those picks, when the upside is a franchise-quality QB who’s durable enough to give the Vikings the next 10-15 years of his game.

Get Cutler. Do the deal. Give up the top 3 draft picks and turn the Vikings into Super Bowl contenders for the next 5-6 years, minimum.

by DCPurple on Mar 12, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Continued

I didn’t mean give up like, multiple players as well as the draft picks! But 1, in addition, if necessary… you have to ask yourself, who on the Vikings roster is irreplaceable? That is, if we no longer have him, is the game still solid in that department? There’s only 2, maybe 3 people that fit the description of breaking the Viking’s ability in that area; AP, Allen, and Berrian. So barring those three, any other single player could be let go, if a franchise QB is in the offing. And Berrian could be let go and the Vikes could go for other WR options.

One last thought… on the Walker debacle… other than the fact that it was just a bad idea, the Vikings made it a thousand times worse by failing to fully utilize Walker once we had him. Then we let him go for… nothing. I stopped watching football for years after that…

by DCPurple on Mar 12, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?!

First round, Second, AND Third? For Cutler? Look, the guy is a good QB, but that would just be utterly ridiculous. That means we’d have to pick up the O-line with a 5th round pick at the very least. Call me crazy, but I doubt that will solve the RT position.

Would it pry Cutler from Denver? Yeah, it probably would. Does that make it worth it? I don’t think so. I mean, sure, he’s one of the top-tier QBs, but who’s to say we don’t grab eventual top-tier talent with those draft picks. Yeah, we need a QB, but I’d like us to build a team that’s going to be a contender for years to come, not just one Bowl-or-Bust season.

by Frost on Mar 12, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Proven QB

Unlike anyone we might pick up in the draft, Cutler is a proven young pro-bowl QB, with only 3 years of wear-and-tear on him, who has the chops to be a franchise QB for the next decade. There’s absolutely no one in the NFL who meets those qualifications. More than that, he’s proven himself to be durable, he can take a hit and not have to be carted off the way T-Jack is. You just don’t get a better prospect than this, in the NFL, at the QB position.

This is one place where we have to agree to disagree; to me, a bird in the hand is worth a dozen in the bush, and the draft is a pretty big bush. With Cutler, we get a QB who’s ready to step in and be The Man, immediately. With a draft pick, the Vikings are most likely set back 3 more years. Losing those 3 picks, in this particular year, we can afford it. Rather than selling off the future, the Vikes would be ensuring it, for at least the next 10 years minimum.

The Vikings would be crazy not to give up 1, 2, AND 3, 22nd round picks, this year only, for Cutler.

by DCPurple on Mar 13, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giving up those picks would mean that, over the past two years, the Vikings have a grand total of 7 picks in the draft. Over two years. That’s like not even participating in the draft one of those years. And to boot, of those two years, only 1 pick will be on the first day. And it’s not even a first rounder. I’m not exactly an expert on this, but I’m fairly sure that if we did get the Cutler trade, we would have to heavily lean on the FA to replace our aging veterans down the road, rather than having some younger talent to inject into the line up, and like we’ve all seen this off-season the FA market just isn’t reliable.

by Frost on Mar 13, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Draft Picks

The Viking’s draft picks this year, suck beans. 22nd round picks are worth very little, even though it sounds good, “We got a 1st round pick!”, the top 21 players are already gone.

I understand your point, Frost, and you’re right in that the Vikes don’t need to be giving up a lot of development possibilities… but we’re talking about Cutler versus 2 or 3 shots in the dark at the azz-end of the round.

I’d pull the trigger on that equation, and have a franchise QB who can better utilize what we have, for the next decade of Super Bowl runs.

by DCPurple on Mar 13, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then he blows an ACL

Any major injury to Cutler after giving up so much for him will set the team back quite some time. (and no, I don’t think that his diabetes is a problem at all)

That said, I think a 1st rounder and Chester would be a good deal.

Norm Green still sucks!

by diok9 on Mar 12, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries

Stuff happens, that’s unforeseeable and you can’t limit your options because one is possible. On Cutler’s upside, he’s been beat up in Denver for 3 years and he’s still standing; that’s the kind of durability we need.

Get Cutler.

by DCPurple on Mar 13, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am so sick of hearing about this.

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 11, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The talking heads on ESPN told me that Belichick spilled coffee on Tom Brady’s favorite shirt. There’s a huge stain, and Tom didn’t get to the cleaners fast enough so it set in and now the shirt is ruined. Needless to say, Tom is really mad at Bill now.

Let’s get Brady!!! Whatever it takes!!!!

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 11, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, is that supposed to be funny or something? Because it doesnt make much sense…

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

YEEEEES!

Does that mean Giselle is coming to MN? I would trade Tyra Banks and Heidi Klum to make this deal happen!

by Hagar the Horrible on Mar 11, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also heard that Colts head coach Jim Caldwell caught Peyton Manning picking his nose and now he won't shake his hand. Peyton is really upset.

Let’s get Peyton!!! Whatever it takes!!!!

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Mar 11, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah?

Well I heard that Marvin Lewis is secretly planning on drafting Matt Stafford, and it’s upset Carson Palmer so badly he wants OUT of Cinnci ASAP!

by Frost on Mar 11, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well how about this?

The Lions brought back Culpepper and now Orlovsky’s is TICKED! Let’s jump on this before!… wait…

In AP I trust

by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 11, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Before

Kurt Warner resigns with Arizona! We need to get him to make this… Oh… That’s right…

by Frost on Mar 11, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard...

…that Ken Whisenhunt accidentally used the Lord’s name in vain, and Kurt Warner was so offended that he’s trying to void his new contract with Arizona!

…that Jim Caldwell claimed Peyton Manning’s Double Stuff Racing League commercials “weren’t very funny”, and Manning immediately asked for his release!

…that Wade Phillips said that Jessica Simpson’s music “isn’t my thing,” and Tony Romo asked to be traded on the spot!

…that Philip Rivers was so upset that the Chargers “re-signed LT just to steal my thunder” and threw a hissy fit! Trouble in San Diego!

This game is fun…

by ericj69 on Mar 12, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, my sources tell me Wade Phillips was talking about how fat Jessica Simpson was, and that’s what caused the Romo controversy.

by Frost on Mar 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slow news day my friend

Do you have an alternative topic to discuss?

Norm Green still sucks!

by diok9 on Mar 12, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This year's 1st and next year's 1st

…in exchange for Denver’s R2 next year?

It would be a nice story, but I don’t think Denver is serious about trading him away, either, and it’s gotten pretty old as an unsubstantiated rumor.

by KC Viking on Mar 11, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that was sarcasm, bro

I found the sarcasim there (Viking 83) a lot easier than your comment. It made more sense sarcasticly than you did. Don’t dish it if you can’t take it.
83 made a valid point. Based on former QB’s interviewed about the situation. QB’s get very sensitive and learn to let it pass as they understand the buisiness. Jay should take it like a man and discuss it like a man. Then go on and be the best QB he can be. You quoted,
“A #22 pick and YES, ADRIAN PETERSON, exactly right thats who I would want traded… get rid of A.P. and why not Jared Allen too… we dont need those guys.” Kind of hard to find the sarcasim. Sorry, you set yourself up on that one.

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 11, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

sarcasm

thanks citrusflviking

by new york viking on Mar 11, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is there really any doubt of how laden with sarcasm the following statement with CAPS for emphasis really was?

A #22 pick and YES, ADRIAN PETERSON, exactly right thats who I would want traded… get rid of A.P. and why not Jared Allen too… we dont need those guys.

by LoveHate on Mar 11, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

actually...

… I had problems reading the sarcasm in that too.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 11, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Wouldn't Doubt It.

by LoveHate on Mar 11, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

Are you serious? Yeah I want to trade away our first round pick, best player on the team, and best defensive player on the team. Sounds good… (THAT IS SARCASM)

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No prob Coal

It was a bit out there and sometimes sarcasm in writing is not always picked up. Maybe a line indicating the sarcam would have helped. Don’t blame those who misinterpret. There are some folks out there with some “way out” ideas. Or Viking bashers. I don’t think you are either.
With my memory problems from an accident my messages don’t always come through the way I intend.
We are all friends and I apologize for being too hard on the subject.
But also be careful to look at other folks sacasm. 83 was making a funny point and myself and others got it. I don’t get them all either. But the background context was good.when poking fun at the sensitivities of QB’s
Keep writing. Don’t be upset. We are all friends and the little stuff passes.
Skol

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 12, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

haha true my bad dude

by Coalcowski on Mar 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just a thought

I don’t think Cutler is available, nor do I think the Vikings have to ammo to get him if he was. But if he is available, this is what I would give up for him. Chester Taylor, a 3rd, and a conditional pick next year. Or, if they didn’t want a 3rd and CT, offer up this year’s first, and a conditional pick next year. If the Vikings win the superbowl this year, they give up a 1st. Playoffs, they give up a 2nd. Don’t make the playoffs, they give up a 3rd. I think it would be a fair trade for Cutler’s value.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If Cutler come in

He will come in cheap. Now we have rosey we are going to you it as a bargaining chip, that way cutler will come in cheap. and if not we are ok with rosey.

by vikefansd on Mar 11, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think so...

Cutler, a Pro Bowl quarterback, would not be threatened at all by Sage Rosenfels. And he would not come cheap. If a trade occurred, the Vikings would take over his current contract, with a good chance of extending it.

He would know, without a doubt, he would be coming in to start. So he would not come cheap. He would not rework his contract for less money anyway.

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by Manimal on Mar 11, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

his current contract...

is not very high. He isn’t making much money currently.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 11, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

Even so, he wouldn’t take less money. If there was a trade involved, he would almost undoubtedly get an extension. I was surprised the Chiefs didn’t try to get Cassel a longer deal. Maybe it’s in the works. Who knows?

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by Manimal on Mar 12, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, that shocked me too

The Chiefs didn’t secure Cassel on a longer contract before they traded for him. So Cassel is on a one year contract right now, and if he really wanted, he could just play this year and enter free agency next year.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 12, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This Offseason has SUCKED thus far!

Some personal opinions:

- Cutler is not going to be traded.
- The Vikings have done nothing much to bolster their chances for advancing next season.
- Our QB situation is fairly pathetic. I have lost faith in Tarvaris and have no delusions about Sage, and nothing much to go on with Booty. So, I feel it is a very bad situation.
- I do not think a lot of our WR corps. Berrian is not a #1 and the others have a lot to prove but I don’t see a true #1 anywhere and I think we have to improve this and the draft is avery iffy way to get better fast.
- Losing Birk was not tragic, but it may be looked upon as significant in the upcoming season. He has good character, and that is hard to replace.
- I’m not a fan of Childress or Bevell but we are stuck with them for one more hurrah.
- I DO have faith that the Vikings will draft wisely, but we could use another pick or two. I wish we had not traded one away for virtually nothing.
- I think we will get a solid OT but it takes time to develop that position, usually… so what happens in the interim?
- I think we will draft a solid CB, but when will that player be ready to step in?
- Since I believe Cutler is not being traded, I wish we would pick up someone (ANYONE!) to challenge the cast of dorks we already have at QB. (I would rather see us trade for Derek Andersen or sign Garcia or trade for McNabb or Leftwich, instead of going to camp with the three amigos!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all for now!

by misterdizz on Mar 11, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

For real, the word for it is absolutely pathetic. When I heard we were signing Sage Rosenfels I literally laughed out loud. What the hell do they think he can honestly accomplish this year. He hasnt proven anything in the past other than he can blow a game>>>>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0

I would prefer any of those QB’s you named rather than this clown.

by Coalcowski on Mar 11, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

(Arnold voice) GET TO DEH CHOPPA!

by ericj69 on Mar 12, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, I almost just got pizza roll debris all over the screen. But I held it in. Barely.

In AP I trust

by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 12, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It has sucked

Some of the more repected bloggers i count on are right. We will ride the draft or maybe some Jared Allen type of trade. But that (type of trade)won’t happen, We can’t afford to give up the picks so this Cutler talk is all but hopeful wishes that I don’t see coming to pass.
I am at the point I don’t see anything big happening cause we have not seen any significant movement since the Housh soup oprah. So we have nothing to do but blog on speculative reports, players being released but without activity signs from Winter Park we are dreaming and facing continued disappointment.
But we are Vikings fans and thats what we’ do and have fun doing it.
Skol Brothers!

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 11, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

When it boils down to it

If he is available for real. Then we need to do everything we can to pick up Cutler. Thats all there is to it! I know thats easy for all of us to say on the outside looking in. But if Childress wants to stay at winter park he better not pass up a talent like Cutler,

by mattscards77 on Mar 11, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just read...

On Pioneer Press that the Vikes are satisfied with their QB situation. Is that a little upsetting, sure. Does it surprise me, not in the least. Also read that they are satisfied with their O-Line. Is anyone buying into this or is it all smoke and mirrors while they’re trying to make some moves?

by Hagar the Horrible on Mar 12, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't Get no Satisfaction

If the Vikes are satisfied with the QB and O-Line situation, someone needs to be horsewhipped out of town. To me, that sounds like they’ve already given up on 2009.

by DCPurple on Mar 12, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shooter articles should be openly mocked and ridiculed

please take whatever written by Shooter Walters with a large grain of salt. He is the biggest joke of sport journalists. The little birdies in his head is wrong 99.5% of the time.

by ELO Vike Fan 1977 on Mar 12, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

If there is a Cultler deal, the Vikes need to be at the forefront of that . Look at how much has been talked about Brees and how rare those opportunities are to pick up someone like that. However I know this is a shot out there but does anyone think we could pry away Quinn from the Browns for less then we would give up for JayJay?

by Hagar the Horrible on Mar 12, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought the same Hagar

on the smoke and mirrors thing, but it doesn’t make sense if they are. We hear of no visits from FA’s and basicly any o-line prospect are gone. Save Orlando Pace. Kind of hard to smoke anyone with a 22nd pick. What are we going to do? Move up to take some unknown with the 2nd pick that we can get with a 4th or 5th like we did T-Jax?
I am at wits end trying to figure this all out.
I agree with DC wholehearted. If we are satisfied with things as are, someone needs to be taken to the barn. I still think an old Orlando is better than Cook. I am impressed with Sullivan attitude and work ethic and the fact he has had a year to practice against as good as interior line as there is may help his transition. But, we are still going in blind at rt OT and high hopes for mediocre at best QB’s.
Again. I am ever the optomist but one good move in either spot would put me a little more at ease.
As for Cutler. You got to wonder if any serious calls are taking place. Do we offer the same type of package picks we gave up for Allen? I don’t like the idea of giving up Taylor in place of a pick but how bout Edwards or Robison? But I would hate to see the depth at DE lost too. Just brainstorming. But, how much do we give up to make it happen?
Man. Cutler would be the answer at QB for a long time. My point is.what would it take to get him?

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 12, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I doubt they’d want Robison or Edwards very much. At least, not for much. Then again, I suppose we did trade Erasmus James for a 6th rounder I think it was.

by Frost on Mar 12, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guess it depends

if I (as a GM) needed a DE and was familiar with Robisons growth and continued potential, it would be a good bargaining tool. I think the kid was a great 4th round pick and I often wonder if he is more effective than Edwards. Awful close call at times. I just have this feeling he and Jared could knock em dead when he really gets the time to play. So maybe Edwards might be a bargaining chip-even to move up the board in the draft to get a guy who is too good to pass up. But I do like the fact we have 3 DE’s for injury protection and to rest a guy when needed.
Like I said, draft day on line wil be fun.
Hey Frost (and others) I know they have fantasy on this site but I have a group in espn fantasy but we will be adding leagues to accomodate new folks. How many would be interested if I set it up? I use the espn format. It is easy and fun. We can make as many leagues as people are interested.
Let me know and I’ll start making a list of those interested.
Know it’s early but would be good to start getting names now.
Thanks

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 12, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs