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Harvin vs Nicks

A quick look at some fanposts will show you that there are 2 WRs in the late 1st round that people seem to like, Harvin and Nicks. So lets take a look at the two of them.

 

                Percy Harvin                                                                  Hakeem Nicks

                    5' 11 1/8''                          Height                                     6' 0 3/4''

                         192                               Weight                                       212

                        4.41                              40 Time                                      4.5

                      9 3/8in                          Hand Size                                 10 1/2in

                         19                             Bench Press                                DNP

 

IMO, there isn't a big difference between them when you look at these numbers. Not quite 2in difference in height, .1 sec difference in the 40, barley an inch difference in hand size, and 20 lbs difference in weight. All of these seem pretty negligible. Even the highlight reels, there isn't much difference. However, there are a couple of things that stand out to me:

Harvin Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-4-bzH9WI

Nicks Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aMQ2R7dYQ

        - with Harvin's injury history, I thought he would be the type to shy away from hits. Not so. He lowers his sholders and delivers hits at full speed. Most seem so shocked that he hit them, that they forget to tackle him and Harvin just pulls away.

       - I will admit that a lot of the Harvin highlights show him taking a hand off or pitch from the QB, but there are quite a bit of him catching the ball and making plays down the field. More consistently than Nicks, Harvin seems to outrun the people on the field.

      - Hicks has amazing hands. He looks really good plucking the ball out of the air and getting extra yards after the catch.

      - Hicks is tough to bring down too. He tends to get caught from behind (even saw linebackers catching up to and trying to tackle him), but it isn't easy to drop him on the first hit.

     - Each guy has a highlight from games against South Carolina, the main difference in the highlights, Harvin takes his to the house in traffic and Hicks gets caught.

I would be happy if either were picked up by the Vikings, but I am going to go with Harvin. Nicks is great, but his tape looks just like Sidney Rice and there is no one on the roster that compares to Harvin. Rice didn't get to play much last year, but he is still young and has shown that he can be a big target and possession WR when healthy. Rice is also 4" taller than Nicks, but again, they seem to have the same abilities and Harvin would add something new.

 

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Harvin or Nicks?
Harvin
54 votes
Nicks
25 votes

79 votes | Poll has closed

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Percy Harvin

Will be a bust as an NFL receiver.

Maybe he’ll have a decent returner career, but he will NOT be a supreme NFL receiver. I’m not saying Nicks for sure will be, but I think the likelihood is much greater.

Feel free to screenshot this post and rub it in in a couple years if Harvin is a success. I’m standing by my opinion though.

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 12, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I ask this

in order to start a dialogue, not to be a dick, but how did you come to the opinion that Harvin will be a bust? If I were to compare him to someone similar in the NFL, I would say DeSean Jackson. People thought he would never do anything either because he was small and had injuries, but had big production in college. Jackson did pretty well in Philly and I wouldn’t be surprised if DeSean comes up in conversations between Childress and Reid in the off season (i.e. how much DeSean impacted the Eagles season). Harvin can take the same route as Jackson and start the season mainly as a kick/punt returner and work his way to being a slot/deep man. And while I like Nicks, his talent twin is already on the roster and I don’t see why we need two of them.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a very good argument.

I guess I just view Harvin as more of a gimmicky player, along the lines of Reggie Bush and Devin Hester. While I wouldn’t mind having those guys on my special teams, neither of them has proven they can play an offensive position full-time in the NFL with great success. That is something I want our #2 receiver to do. I just don’t see Harvin having success in the NFL as a wideout.

With Nicks there is no question where he is lining up and where he’ll be performing at his fullest all the time. Like I said before, you are more than welcome to disagree with me but I am very set in my ways on this one.

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 12, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there is

one thing that is for sure on the internet, you aren’t changing anyone’s mind. At least not once it has been made up. Gave up trying to do that a while ago. I like to debate things like this so I can get someone else’s opinion. Always good to see both sides.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harvin

I guess you could call him a rich man’s David Palmer?

by nmvikesfan on Mar 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds Me Of Palmer Also

Harvin has that versatility to use him in more than one position. Palmer had a successful career with the Vikes as a receiver/return man, why not Percy?

by purplegrey on Mar 13, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion your analysis is 100% correct. Nicks is WR to Harvin’s football player.

Harvin was able to make an impact and have success in several phases. Going as far as to say he is going to be a bust is unfair while acknowledging the fact that he will likely never be an every down outside receiver. The NFL has had role players/ specialty players for more than 20 years; a number of which never ideally fit in anywhere but were able to succeed.

I think both are phenomenal and first round talents. Drafting Hicks would be a clear indication that Rice is a bust (something I am not entirely comfortable with). Drafting Harvin would inspire the fandom that there might just be some offensive mystique and creativity to come.

by LoveHate on Mar 12, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can relate

HARVIN=REGGIE BUSH=NOT AN EVERYDOWN BACK W/ MUTIPLE INJURIES=BUST as a first rounder.
IF we can get him in the second round, then maybe get him and put him in the slot to catch screens and double reverses (KAO!!) LOL.

by LAviking on Mar 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Retort

While the two are comparable in size and talent, I think they are very different. Bush is a RB and NewO seems to want to run him between the tackles when he is better served in space. IMO, they force him into one position when he should be placed at several. Personally, not ready to call him a bust just yet. He still makes plays as a returner and if the Saints can find a RB that can be a starter and allow Bush to move around the field. Look what the Saints accomplished when they had McAllister at full strength and had Bush as the wild card. Sure they could get past a vaulted NFC Norse D to get into the Super Bowl, but they made it to the NFC Championship and put up a fight.
The Vikings already have Peterson, so they don’t need Harvin to pound the rock like Bush. Just handle Kick/Punt returns and be a threat on offense. Catch the screens, reverses, deep routes. Hell, instead of the 0 yard passes to Tahi, Harvin can turn those passes into big plays.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough decision

I like Hakeem more though because he reminds me of a young healthy but very much stronger version of Nate Burlson. He gives this offense what it needs a disciplined route runner that knows what to do after the catch and hard to bring down. Harvin would be very interesting because of the multiple sets we could use him in and he would upgrade our return game greatly but I don’t know if he would be used to his talents in this offense. I am thinking in the way they would be used in the WCO and Chilly calling the plays. I would love either name called on draft day.

by nmvikesfan on Mar 12, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Burl

Where is he at now? Still rotting with the Seahawks?

by LAviking on Mar 14, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Let’s not forget that a lot of harvin’s highlights were against a team they were beating 28-0.

by Bjorno on Mar 12, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Also Harvin played for a very talented team and Nicks pretty much carried NC. Can you name anyone else on NC? I can name quite a few Florida easily.

by nmvikesfan on Mar 12, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

biggest difference IMO

Harvin will be a better player in this league, but not in Minnesota. Can you imagine Harvin in an offense like Miami? Miami knows how to use their players to their full abilities. The KAO does not do that. With another coach, I would say Harvin over Nicks hands down.

You know what you get with Nicks. A solid WR who will go over the middle and make amazing catches. Can he break it any time he touches the ball? No. But he can and will pick up 10-15 yards per catch, which is what the Vikings need.

I look at it like this: if it’s 3rd and 7, who would you rather have on your team? Personally, I want Nicks who can make that possession reception and convert the first down.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 12, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I argued,

do you not trust Berrian or Rice to get those yards? Berrian averaged 20 yards a catch and I would trust him on 3 and 7. Even Rice averaged 9.4 yards/catch in his limited play and I think after he gets through training camp and preseason healthy, he can make that contribution.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BB is not a possession type of WR. He is a deep threat, or at least that’s what he was brought in to be. Sidney Rice is more of a possession type, but he needs to prove he can play at 100% for the whole season.
Personally, I don’t think the Vikings need a WR as bad as some people do. I think the only 2 positions that are a NEED are RT and QB. The Vikings need to bring in a RT before the draft, so they can draft BPA. Personally, I really like Brian Cushing. I would take him over Nicks or Harvin

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 12, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Cushing

Got to see him a lot down here, but there is no way he last till #22. He will be going in the top 15 and may even be the first LB (not LB/DE) off the board.
I don’t think the Vikings NEED a WR, but I do believe they need a play maker or two outside of Peterson/Berrian.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Would love to see the Vikings add another playmaker. I just don’t know if anyone will make a huge contribution without a legit QB getting them the ball. Maybe T-Jack will step up, maybe Sage will play well. Too early to tell. I’m just not sold on either one.
I think the Vikings would be better served adding a playmaker to the defense. At least we all know that player would get utilized to their fullest.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 12, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

But considering the history of Childress’ play calling, he would be more likely to call a short dump to Tahi on 3rd and 9.

I would rather it be a short dump-off to Harvin personally.

by Bjorno on Mar 13, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think both these guys have promise, but also some red flags. Nicks is considered to have below-average speed/quickness, and Harvin’s raw as a traditional receiver. There are also relatively similar players that should be available later on, too. (Off the top of my head, Brian Robiskie is roughly comprable to Nicks: outstanding hands and route running but slower, although Nicks probably has the higher YAC potential; Derek Williams is roughly comprable to Harvin as a slot guy/gimmick back.) I also think both have some bust potential.

I think Harvin would offer the most potential to add a new dimension/dynamic to the offense, and possibly really allow Berrian and Rice to settle into their proper roles. And Harvin’s versatile enough that you maybe figure he could even do some of the things Chester Taylor does after Taylor leaves. But are Childress/Bevell creative enough to use him? Would they be willing to run more 3-out sets? And what about his injury history?

I like the idea of taking a playmaker with the first pick, though. Yes, they need help on the line, probably immediate help. But outside of franchise LTs (none of the potential prospects which maybe can be considered that are falling to #22), line help can be found throughout the draft. And honestly, another playmaker or two (on either side of the ball; I like Wake Forest CB Alphonso Smith as a defensive playmaker) is as important to this team raising its ceiling.

by jianfu on Mar 12, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alphonso Smith

I really like him too. He might be small, but he is a fighter and play maker when the ball is in the air. I think getting a guy like him to learn behind Winfield, who is similar in stature, would really benefit this team down the road. Don’t think he goes in the first and don’t think he last to #22 in the 2nd round. Would be worth trading up for him, but I think if the Vikings do go play maker in the first, I think they have to get a OT in the 2nd.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 12, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith

Smith’s one of those guys where there’s no consensus where he’ll go (not that the consensus ends up being right most times, anyway). Just looking at some mocks, I’ve seen him as high as #14 overall and as low as mid-2nd round.

I have to think it’s because he’s 5’9". Outside of that, he’s considered one the more athletic CBs in the draft, he has a live body, he returns kicks, he mixes it up in the run game with Winfield-like gusto, and the dude had 21 picks in his NCAA career (playmaker). I’d consider him at #22, but I’m not on Zygi’s payroll.

by jianfu on Mar 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We should trade up to get Crabtree. Then we won’t be taking a big chance. That’s my opinion on this matter

by Frost on Mar 12, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree= top 5

Vikings pick 22nd. Do you know what it would take to move into the top 5? Way too much. According to the draft value chart, to move up to 5th would require all the Vikings draft picks plus some.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 12, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not fair :(

by Frost on Mar 13, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends if he falls some

some are yacking up going after Boldin which won’t happen. Crabree falls a little and you offer switching picks plus a 2 (which we can only do if we can get a decent OT in FA) or a pick next year. It would be good but I think it will come down to Nicks or Harvin.
I think we agreed that the OT will have to come in the draft Frost but a guy who can step in might have to come no later than the 2nd round otherwise it is a bit of a gamble

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 12, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree with that. lol I wasn’t serious about trading up for Crabtree, I just A) Don’t know much about Harvin/Nicks and B) Am too lazy to look. We should be able to pick up a good OT in the first two rounds though, no problem. Assuming there isn’t a run on them in both rounds somehow.

by Frost on Mar 13, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

if we’re smart we might get a good WR and OT. You were right. Ilooked up the depth of OT’s and saw some interesting round 2 prospects some reports that some of those are ready to start. If one of the 4 big name OT’s falls or way I can’t see how we could pass it up or even move up a little by throwing a later round pick at someone.
I knew you weren’t too serious as we both know the price we would have to pay. But Crabtree sure looks like a burner. I like Harvin but after seeing more film of Nicks, I was impressed. He doesn’t look real fast but has a nak for finding a gap and getting open. Very disciplined in his catching technique. In that regard he reminds me of Carter a little.

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 13, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

the idea is interesting. Maybe a switch in picks plus a player trade? But who? I got it T-Jax!

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 12, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There was talk of Crabtree's surgery making him fall a few spots,

A stress fracture is not as bad as many other issues he could have, but it certainly raises the question of durability.

Also the fact that he is not 6’3" as listed previously, but actually more like 6’1". Not to mention that Seattle and Cincy, two likely landing spots, just signed free agent wide outs.

But even if he slips, he will not slip far enough for us to get him at #22. At best, we could trade up to #13 based on the trade value by throwing in our 2nd round pick.

I doubt that will be high enough.

by Bjorno on Mar 12, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want another WR.

by mjschaefer on Mar 12, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I should phrase this I don’t want to draft another wide receiver high again.

by mjschaefer on Mar 12, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scrolling down reading comments I agree with just about everything PurplePeopleEaters said. Pretty much took the words outta my mouth.

by Zoxide on Mar 13, 2009 5:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on

Zoxide just took the words out of my mouth that PurplePeopleEaters took the words out of my mouth. Of course I still added a comment that basically reiterated everything PPE said because I only skimmed through the comments at first, but yeah, I agree.

by ericj69 on Mar 13, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hakeem the Dream

Personally I’d be happy with either guy—I think both Harvin and Nicks will be excellent NFL players.

Harvin could be used creatively and all over the field like he was utilized in Florida. However, call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure the words “creativity” and “Brad Childress’ offense” have never been used in the same sentence without the word “lacks” somewhere in there. For example: how long did it take Chilly to finally put Taylor and AP in the backfield together after we had been clamoring for it for months? I’m afraid that the Vikings may not employ the traits that make Harvin such a unique player.

I think Nicks is probably the best route runner in the draft. I watched him a lot during the end of the season, and although he’s not your classic speedster, he’s excellent at getting separation by running precise routes. I believe he’s one of the most polished WRs in the draft. Crabtree’s also in that discussion of course, but my Irish ass has a better chance of staying sober this St. Patty’s Day weekend than the Vikings have of getting Crabtree.

Although Harvin may have a higher ceiling, I’d like to get a sure thing after all the uncertainty we’ve had this offseason.

by ericj69 on Mar 13, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So

Are we giving up on Rice after 2 years, one of them cut short by injury? I ask because they are the same player. Possesion WRs with great hands. The only difference is Rice is 6’4’’ and Nicks is 6’1’’. Harvin would add something new to the offense and isn’t that (something new) what everybody as wanted with this O since Childress got here?
I can understand too when people ask if Childress could even utilize a guy like Harvin. But I would also point out that the Vikings do run screens, reverses, and outlet passes, but there really isn’t anyone with the break out talent out side Peterson to run those plays effectively. They had Berrian running reverses, but not much happening there because he isn’t a burner. Fast, but not a burner. They have also run a few screens a game to both the WRs and RBs. Harvin could be utilized in these situations along with kick/punt return and being a decoy. When a play isn’t going to him, he will still command attention which will take pressure off of Berrian/Peterson.

by vikingfuture8816 on Mar 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not completely giving up on Sidney Rice… but he is certainly on thin ice. He has played in 26 games thus far in his career, and he has 500 yards receiving. He has proven he can make good catches in the red zone on occasion, but he has not proven that he can get open on a regular basis. We refused to give up on another South Carolina receiver (well, the fans gave up on him, the organization didn’t) and look where that got us. I’d like to see Rice as a backup and redzone receiver. Defenses simply don’t worry about him much because has a hard time getting open outside of the red zone.

Nicks could come in and be what Sidney Rice was supposed to be. They are not the same person. Nicks will actually admirably fill a receiver role.

I like Sidney Rice a lot, and I want him to blossom, but like Tavaris Jackson, I just don’t see it happening. But hey… let’s keep refusing to give up on some guys…. Chilly, Jackson, and Rice for life!!

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 13, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Rice

He could be a great reciever but again, I have to blame a lot of his lack of numbers on stupid play calling and routes. He doesn’t call the play. We have a stupid OC that runs only his slot man short. You got your 2 wide outs running deep all the time. Sidney has a lot of talent but no coaching. Not all routes have to be long sprint outs. When we do have our WR’s going short it is not to pass to them but to set up blocks for a run or short pass. It is a dead give away.
We talked about wasting Harvins talent if we got him. Will we do the same to Nicks as we do to Sidney. He wa a good YAC man at SC. Get him the ball shorter and watch him fly. If we want to gain more 1st downs get Sid or Bernie to run slants behind the LB’s, cut for a short post or simple curl backs. As with some of our running plays, we have no imagination on route patterns. This is not the fault of the reciever. He just does what the play calls for. QB times it and hits him. How often do we see that or a secondary target like that-seldom!

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 13, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You make a lot of good points. The more I think about it, the more I want to believe that Rice will have a breakout year in the stereotypical “Receiver Breakout Year”, his third. What you say about the playcaling is certainly true, but seperation isn’t dependant on good play-calling. Sidney rarely receives extra attention on the field, yet he still has a difficult time getting open. I know that he gets open sometimes, and made a couple very nice plays last year, but I hope that he can develop a knack for getting open MUCH more often. Especially if teams are gonna throw their #2 or #3 CB on him and not give safety help to that side.

As I sit here and ponder, my hope for Rice grows. However, I’d still take Nicks over Harvin.

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Mar 13, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

he does have trouble getting separation many times but the game is much faster than college and I just can’t help but think coaching the techniques of getting open when facing multiple defenses isn’t being drilled into him. Is it him or the offensive (WR)coaches? He just seems to have so much God given ability it makes me wonder. Sid should be fast enough to open things up enough or is it just not sinking in fast enough?
Something is wrong somewhere.
Your right. The 3rd year will tell a lot. I have seen him open and not seen in a lot of red zone situations and on occasions he is thrown to there he can pull it in. Maybe that is his nitch and should be a more frequent option. Learning to separate in those situations could help him produce and help out more.
Now, if Nicks can do in the pros what he does in college-Wow! Now he would be a go to guy when we hit the 30 yard mark. Quick fakes down and a sharp break to the post and that kid can find gaps that make it look easy. Have him teach that to Sidney and have a duel threat at medium/short range and Bernard would see some big opportunities on the long ball. Then Wade can do his short down and out thing when we are in a 2nd or 3rd down with 3-5 yds to go for a 1st. Now we need a QB who can read those zones and check multiple recievers and that would be beautiful!

by CitrusFLViking on Mar 13, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not giving up on Rice but...

I believe we should draft Nicks if he’s available. Rice and Nicks are different players and I believe that they would compliment Berrian nicely. With teams stacking the box to stop AD Rice should be getting open a lot more than he does. I still believe he has great upside and can be a great red zone threat but we need someone to make the tough yards to get there hence Nicks. Nicks run after the catch ability would draw safeties attention and open things up for AD and BB. Don’t you think it would benefit whoever is QBing this team with more confidence to have a sure handed reciever to throw to that can make things happen once he gets the ball? Rice needs to come back healthy and I’m praying he does so he can be effective. GO Vikes!

by nmvikesfan on Mar 14, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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