Cutler to NFC North?
by AustinVike on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM CDT
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PrintSince the news broke that Jay Cutler is saddling up, and riding out of Denver, there has been rampant speculation that 3 of 4 NFC North teams could pursue the jaded QB. While he would fit in with just about any team in the NFL (who is lacking a solid QB), the emphasis seems to still be placed on NFC North teams.
To start, Kevin Seifert, has speculated (just as I am currently doing) that with the exception of Green Bay, any team in the NFC North is in desperate need of a QB as proven as Jay Cutler.
Looking at Cutler's stats over his tenure at Denver suggests that Mr. Seifert is correct in his estimation.
One other key figure to look out for is the Denver running attack over the past three seasons - 1862yds (total/combined 2008), 1957yds (total/combined 2007), 2152yds (total combined 2006).
While looking at these stats comparatively against Cutler's passing yardage per year, a picture emerges that suggests Denver was moving toward a passing attack, and away from rush yardage.
If Cutler ended up in Minnesota, I (and many of you) could only image seeing less touches for the AD/Chester combo. Would that be a bad thing? Might take Peterson out of Pro Bowl status, but would certainly NOT make him any less lethal on the field. The ability to stretch defenses would only help AD - and might actually improve his YPG to a level never seen before in the NFL.
The question remains: is Sage Rosenfels enough of an answer at QB to achieve this situation, or should we begin pursuing Cutler with everything we've got?
To be fair, I never (ever), want to see this happen while Sage is in purple.
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peterson will still be pro bowl
with cutler throwing
even if cutler came i dont see childress going into an all out passing game
probaly still be a running team but the play action pass will actually be used
which probaly will also boost cutlers passing yards
i can only see a good balanced offense with cutler at QB
most likely making us better offensively then the pats
Yes!!
Cutler is schooled in the WC system By Shannahan, which is used by the vikings as well.
Get him this year, then fire chilly, and bring Shanny to reunite with Cutler next year.
As ive said all along: 2009 #1 pick (22nd), 2010 #2 (could move up to a number one depending on how Cutler does), and Chester Taylor (I would use him as a plan b to sweeten the deal).
YES! DOUBLE YES!!
Finally, someone with some sense!
I have been debating back and forth for 2 days with guys that want to pursue Tory Holt bf going balls to the wall for Cutler. Saying that will get the QB later—“nothing out there now or in the draft”.
All the Vikes energy right now—-should be QB…can get a OL and more D help in the draft late and then pup a Holt or Harrison on a short term contract. No WR with Talent is going to want to come here—unless drafted—with the current QB situation…that’s a fact!
Giving up Chester (who I love) and #22 , plus 2010 pick is def. workable.
What are we going to do with the #22 pick anyway—-get Freeman at QB from K State or pick a WR—Hicks or Harvin? It just make sense to give up the picks and Chester if need be for a STARTING QB!
Super Bowl NOW or When??
I know, I use to be a QB!!!
Best... Fran The Man
by Fran The Man Tarkenton on Mar 17, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
GO AFTER CUTLER!
the vikings should definitely be talking to the broncos about jay cutler if they already aren’t. i would argue the vikings are a pro-bowl calibur qb away from the super bowl. if i were the vikings gm, i would be more than willing to part with my 22nd pick in exchange for cutler.
in regards to peterson, the addition of cutler would only benefit him. he may see fewer touches, but he shouldn’t complain about that. cutler would force defenses to respect the vikings passing attack more than in previous years. because of this, peterson would see less 8-man fronts, and like you said, allow him to see a YPC like no one has ever seen.
neither sage rosenfels nor t-jack can do for the vikes what cutler can. rosenfels is a career backup and childress needs to cut his losses with t-jack and move on.
vikes: please get cutler!!!
Technically, he might not get better YPC. I mean, sure, our passing attack would have some credibility, but that means that one Peterson gets past the DL/LBs he now has to get past the secondary. It doesn’t take them very long to switch gears from coverage to run-stop.
Ahhh.......
Watch some tape on the the vikes vs the bears (second game). There was a shoot out, AP got some serious YPC.
Bears were in soft zone all day. But then again, the bears are soft.
Cutler
To ask, “What will AP think?” is the wrong question. AP is mature enough to sacrifice for a ring…if not, get rid of him. This is the Minnesota Vikings team. We haven’t come close to a ring in years. Bringing Cutler in now could be very special. AP is reaching prime time, defense is looking great. A stellar QB would get us really close! If Childress would let Cutler & Berrian play ball, it could get really interesting.
CUTLER? ROSENFELS? JACKSON?
NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER. BUT C.T. TO DENVER WITH 1ST AND THIRD, MAYBE EVEN 2ND RND. PICKS IS DEFINATLY WORTH IT. HELL MAYBE THEY’LL TAKE JACKSON IF WE GIVE THEM OUR 4TH AND 5TH PICKS ALSO. HERE’S MY TAKE RIGHT OR WRONG! JACKSON HAS TALENT AS AN ATHLETE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND HE HAS THE BRAINS OF A MONKEY, MAYBE WORSE! (NO R INTENDED) CUTLER WOULD ADD A DEMENTION TO THIS OFFENSE WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN….I’VE BEEN A FAN FOR 23 YEARS AND HAVE NOT SEEN IT. PLAY ACTION WOULD WORK WITH A QB THAT CAN COMPLETE 60% OF HIS PASSES OVER 6 YRDS, 40 % OVER 30 YARDS. AP WOULD STILL MAINTAIN PRO BOWL NO.S WITH MAYBE SOME OF OUR RECEIVERS MAKING PRO BOWL NO.S, NOT MENTIONING OUR QB, ( WITH HANDS BIGGER THAN A 6TH GRADERS) I’M ALL FOR CUTLER TO THE VIKES, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GIVE BLOOD!!!!!! AND IT MIGHT HELP WITH THE (MAKE ME SICK) STADIUM ISSUE IF WE MAKE A LEGITIMATE RUN AT THE SHOW!
Caps Lock
Learn to turn it off.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
by Robert Rence on Mar 17, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Giving 1, 2, AND 3 for Cutler is ridiculous. He’s good, but he’s not THAT good. Having only 1 selection in the first three rounds for two years in a row isn’t going to help us down the road. I want him, but I don’t think we should mortgage our future here.
To: Frost> "Mortgage our Future"
The Future is NOW!….
This isn’t a Hershel Walker situation—the Vikes have all or as much as all the pieces in place to Win a Super Bowl now (IF THEY GET A QB)… This is what they need—-period! I can’t believe how Fans still talk about the “other needs” or “you want to look down the road”.
Waiting around and wasting the opportunity of a great team is wrong. How long, do you wait to bring in a solid QB to play with all the Talent—-bf all the Talent gets bummed out? Also, how long do you think AP will last getting his butt kicked running it—-because everyone knows we can’t pass it consistently over 7 plus yards. Think, what AP and the WR’s could do with an actual QB!!…let alone the Defense will get some rest—as their not on the field all day!!!!
Enough…Fran The Man Tarkenton.
Best... Fran The Man
by Fran The Man Tarkenton on Mar 18, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
To Frost…
If the Vikings don’t make a serious run at Cutler and I don’t care what we have to give in draft picks, the Vikings are just a couple of years away from LA. Lets see a struggle to sell out a playoff game…how much interest do you think there will be this year without a spark of hope. Why save a 1,2 & 3 pick for a LA team? Sage and TJack…I can hardly wait to watch this year. Oh, we lost Frerotte and picked up his backup Sage when he was in Miami. The window is small in the NFL, Adrians legs will be in their 3rd year. Get a Pro Bowl QB that could be around for 10+ years and the draft picks don’t look so scary.
By the way I read that Matt Jones (WR) was released by the Jags, lets go pick him up to compete with T-Jack for the QB job, Oh wait it was Jones who beat out T-Jack in college sending T-Jack to another school. Wouldn’t want that to happen again.
Such a shame the most important player on a team would be a backup on most if not all the other teams in the league. Get a quality QB so serious talk about winning the Super Bowl can take place!
The only question is
Are we comfortable with a Jewish QB from Iowa?
Also can we run the option?
Darth Vader
“He will join us or die”
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Do it
Get Cutler.
Toss in Jackson, Taylor, and Booty, to sweeten the pot. Toss in Childress and Bevell too, if they’ll take ’em :)
But do the deal, get Cutler, and let’s go all the way. Tired of screwing around, it’s not enough to have a “contender” and settle for being 3rd or 5th or 7th best.
Get Cutler.
To be Fair
What I don’t want to see is Rosenfels risking himself like he was stupid, or the second-coming of T-Jack.
Despite that, to be fair…. nice to see such a gutsy attempt, even if he did take a monstrous mid-air hit for trying it. The man has guts, he’s strong, and he’s durable. Best acquisition the Vikes have done so far this year.
Big NO on Cutler
You guys would seriously give up a 1st and 3rd round pick AND Chester for this whiny overrated QB? I’m not saying he wouldn’t be an upgrade over what we have, but his character could really mess up our locker room, and giving up those picks would kill the future of this team. Its a surefire way to make yourself mediocre for 3-4 seasons. Cutler is not as good as his pro bowl status would indicate. Read the snippet that Trent Dilfer said about him. He is crap in the clutch just like Tjack, and he’s been throwing to Brandon Marshall, not Bobby Wade.
The real answer is give Rosencopter his shot, and add future stars with our draft picks that we don’t trade for a whiny distraction of a QB. If we get Hakeem Nicks, our QBs will automatically be better. He could even catch Tjack’s errant passes.
YES on Cutler. Character? Do you know him personally? Not as good as his Pro Bowl Status? It was his second full year of starting.
Doubt the Vikes will make it happen, another year of watching a very good team not live up to its potential because of the most important player on the field.
Yea and Dilfer was such a quality QB, must be a better analyst than player. He did make 1 Pro Bowl though in his Career… Cutler will trump him there.
What exactly do we have that Denver would want?
No matter what your opinion is about what we could/should give up to bring Cutler to Minnesota, think about this: Denver’s current backup quarterbacks are Chris Simms and Darrell Hackney. I’m guessing that Denver doesn’t want either of these guys under center for any extended periods next season.
So the Broncos would need a solid starting QB plus a bunch of other players/picks to offer Denver for Cutler. If we had a solid starting QB, we all wouldn’t be talking so much about Cutler in the first place, right?
I know there are possibilities of a three-team trade, but those just make my head hurt. Maybe the front office has a trick up their sleeve to bring Cutler in, but I just don’t see it right now.
by Eric J. Thompson on Mar 18, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Starting RB
We cant give them a legit starting QB, but I bet they would take a starting RB to help those career back ups transition.
More QBs
If we were talking about trading for Peyton Manning, or John Elway in their prime I would have a whole different take on this. If it was for one of those guys I would say sell the farm, but I think Cutler is overrated with an attitude problem. I would rather have a dynasty team than a hail-mary one shot at a title team. We’re on our way to the dynasty if we can have a couple of things fall into place.
One more thing, Baltimore once won a super bowl with a great defense and a crap QB……by the name of Trent Dilfer. QB is the most important position, but there are 21 other positions that matter a whole lot. We can’t neglect filling them with young talent in the draft.
very true... but...
Adding a QB will make those positions that much better. The Viking’s WR corps is not that bad. As long as Sidney Rice can step it up, they will be fine. Good speedster in BB. Great possession/ red zone threat in Sidney Rice. Wade is one of the best slot guys in the game. If they can stay healthy (Rice) and have a QB who could actually get them the ball, they will be just fine. Remember the Patriots before they had Moss/Welker? Who did they have at receiver? No one who was any better than the Viking’s current receivers. The difference was they had an excellent QB to get them the ball. I’m not saying Cutler is Tom Brady, but there is no denying the fact that in his 3rd year, Cutler was a pro bowler, and 3rd in the league in passing yards.
Right tackle needs to be addressed. That can be taken care of in the 2nd round of the draft.
Other than QB and RT, I don’t see any “needs” on the Vikings squad. Sure they need some depth at some positions, but that is what the later rounds of the draft is for, not to mention after the draft there will be more players available in free agency.
I’m not saying the Vikings need to sell the farm for Cutler. But If they can get him for a 1st, Chester Taylor, and maybe a conditional pick next year, there is no reason not to do that. Chester will more than likely be gone after next season anyway, and there is no better player that will be around the 22 pick that would fill a bigger need for the Vikings than Cutler can.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Career Backups
Wasn’t Matt Cassell a “Career Backup”? His name is in Webster’s right next to “Career Backup”. When Tom Brady went down, did anyone on planet earth predict that Matt the Career Backup Cassell would rise to the occasion and carry the Patriots to a winning season? What makes any of you brainiacs think that TJ or Sage cannot have a breakout season just like Cassell? If you knew so much you would be the GM or Head Coach of an NFL team. Don’t quit yer day jobs.
P.S. Google tool bar with auto fix is really cool. Some of you Brainiacs should download it so we won’t know how stupid you really are.
Thanks for insulting fellow Vikings' fans intelligence.
How about I shoot that right back at you? What makes you think Tjack or Sage will have a breakout season? You’re not a GM or a head coach. So what makes your opinion so much better than anyone else’s?
Tarvaris is by no means a career backup. He’s had chances to step up.I suppose you could make the argument for Sage, although he has had chances too, but more importantly, Cassel is most definitely the exception to the rule. Just look at his team, his coach, the guy he played behind, heck, even the college he attended. Do you really want to compare that to Sage and Tjack?
Just because a guy’s been a backup for a couple years doesn’t mean he’s going to suddenly be spectacular. If there’s an opportunity to get a better quarterback, can you honestly blame people for wanting to get him?
Also, this is by no means representative of my opinions on Cutler, Tjack, and Sage. Your post just really ticked me off.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 18, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
NO FARVA
I didn’t say TJack or Sage will have a breakout season and I realize TJack is not a career backup. But the predictability of either having a great season is just as good as Matt Career Backup Cassell. TJack has been progressing, although somewhat slower that some of you impatient Couch Coaches would like, but he has gotten better and some of the loses blamed on TJ were not all on him. I also don’t trust anyone who has Favre in his profile name and thinks Favre is the answer. That is really retarded.
by BigSkyViking on Mar 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright, first of all, I’ll just explain why it’s Farva…
It has absolutely nothing to do with Favre. I hate Favre. But back when I sported a buzzcut, many people thought I looked like Officer Rodney Farva, from the movie Supertroopers. The nickname not only stuck, it essentially became my name. So I just go by it now. It’s similarity to Favre is unfortunate, to say the least.
Also, like I said in my previous post, my position on Tjack is not necessarily that he is a failure. I have, for the most part, supported having him as our starter and think he has progressed, albeit not as much hoped. I have almost always taken his side in most arguments. If he is our starter again next year, I honestly won’t be too upset. Same with Sage. That being said, I view Cutler as a better player in a similar system, and if we can get him without gutting our draft I say we should at least try to get him.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 18, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Newbie Influx
There’s a lot more insulting belligerence on Daily Norseman in the past few months, than there used to be… do you think that’s caused by the interface with yahoo? I’m not at all sure it was worth the candle.
fran the man
i had faith in you when you were on the field and your ideas now .lets get cutler before things change!
by new york viking on Mar 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
Fran Tarkenton?
Do you really think Fran Tarkenton is on this Blog?
by BigSkyViking on Mar 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
To: BigSkyViking... Hello, from Fran The Man. B-E-L-I-E-V-E!!! and if you would like to book me for a personal appearence--Call 888/Vikings!
I’ll even let Mr. Cutler wear my jersey #10…. Let’s get him PURPLE!!!
Best... Fran The Man
by Fran The Man Tarkenton on Mar 18, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You new york viking...for your kind words. Fran The Man.
Best... Fran The Man
by Fran The Man Tarkenton on Mar 18, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I still maintain the only way it would work to get Cutler here would be...
a 3 team deal.
I think the only real option would be Denver, Cleveland and Minny. That is the only way it could make sense.
Denver NEEEEEEDS a quarterback. They are not going to trade a QB like that unless they get a QB McDaniels can mold, and Brady Quinn seems to be the only option.
There have been rumblings about Leinart, but that would leave AZ without a QB 2 years from now.
The only way I can see this happening is a Cutler to MN, Quinn to Denver and a few of our picks to Cleveland.
Sweetening the Pot
Maybe we could give up Bevell too, and Booty, and offer to sell Childress into a Middle Eastern human-trafficking ring?
EXACTLY WHAT IS GOINNA HAPPEN!
I have been saying the same thing. The only way the Vikes can land Cutler is via a 3-way deal with Cleveland involved. It is still a longshot, but it is the only realistic option, unless a surprise comes out of left field. I think it could work (Cutler to MINN, Brady Quinn to DENVER and Cleveland takes our #2 pick as well as our #2 next year. They also might demand we give Chester Taylor and/or one of our QBs instead of the second pick, but that wouldn’t necessarily be difficult to pull together.
There could be a team like the Steelers or Cardinals trying to position themselves in a 3-team deal, by offering up Leftwich or Leinart, in hopes of getting some additional draft picks, but I doubt that would happen.
From my standpoint, I would be content if we just could get Brady Quinn by trading Taylor and one 2nd round pick, but I see no motivation for the browns to do that, as I think they view Quinn as their long-term answer at QB, for many reasons. That said, all of this is a bit wishful thinking, but it still remains possible that there is a way to pry Cutler loose to Minnesota. I am squeezing for it to happen, because I think we can make a Super Bowl run either this year or next if we have him behind center. I like the kid and think he is a real star in the making. He does remind me a little bit of Elway for some reason, probably for his attitude and competitiveness as well as his great arm.
Let us hope….
fyi
Leftwich is not a steeler. He is a free agent
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
here is my proposal
we all know what happened to our 2005 draft class, WE DONT HAVE A SINGLE ONE OF THEM LEFT ON THE TEAM, with the exception of M. Johnson who is the worst o lineman on our roster, that didn’t set us back 2-3 , so i say give denver our 1st round pick this year(we’ve gone 2-2-1 over our last five 1st round picks with Greenway and AP being winners, Dropsy and E. James being losers, and Udeze with the jury out because he missed a season with cancer), chester taylor(if we don’t trade him we will get nothing for him next year when he leaves in FA), JDB or TJack( i can live with or without him) and then a conditional third rounder next year that could escalate to a first rounder if we win the Super Bowl, and if that doesn’t work sweeten the pot with another pick this year prolly our 5th or later if possible
A New Coach and QB
I think that the Viking should not only try to trade for Cutler but they should also try to get shannahan as their coach to because we need a coach who can use all are teams weapons and get us new ones instead almost always running the ball with AP and CT because all the defences in the league key on that so we need some new threats like the long ball like the old randy moss cris carter days.
Cutler to Vikings..No more waiting
I am here to put in my two cents worth on the Cutler for Vikings QB talk…I have been a Vikings fan my whole life, and have been dreaming the dream that so many have had for so long…EVEN JUST TO GET TO THE SUPERBOWL!!! We the fans have had to sit year after year waiting for the Vikings to return to the big game and what happens? Well, the Vikings seem to get most of the pieces and then sit back and wait…FOR WHAT?? To be moved to California? Viking fans deserve to see their team go to the big game again, and hopefully this time get it right. Sage may be the answer yes, but he isnt proven yet and that means MORE WAITING!! I dont give a damn if Jay Cutler is a whiner… the players and fans will forget all about that part of him WHEN THEY WIN THE BIG GAME!! Get it through your heads people, teams like the Pats, the Colts, Pittsburgh, they have the big QB and they “ALL ARE WEARING RINGS AND THEIR FANS ARE HAPPY”!!!…SO I ASK YOU…ARE YOU HAPPY WITH HOW THE TEAM HAS PLAYED SINCE OUR LAST SB APPEARANCE?? (how many here were alive then?) Think about it…GET THE QB WE NEED!!!
Vikings Super Bowl appearances
Oh, just so you all know, I was alive and watching at all of the Vikings Superbowl appearances…God! I was a young man then…!! AND THAT MEANS ITS BEEN FAR TO LONG!!
Wait 4?
All these people who want to wait….why? For the rest of the team to get old? Or what be in rebuilding mode forever. I think NOW is the best shot we have and it isn’t going to happen with the 2 QB’s we have right now. I think Cutler would put us over the top and into the SUPERBOWL!! I know I am like the rest of the old diehard Viking fans, I am tired of waiting for someday, because someday never comes. Do it now before we have another team with purple and yellow colors make it’s way to LA. A good QB makes the rest of the offense better. It makes the defense better because they aren’t always on the field or the other team is playing catch-up ball. There are so many upsides to having a PRO caliber QB…and we are stuck with 2 backups fighting to be the starter. This is not the way to get it done. As pointed out by an earlier poster our drafts have been crap shoots anyway so trade those unproven draft choices for a proven product and lets win NOW !!!!! GO VIKINGS !!!!!!
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