Trent Dilfer Might Be On To Something
by Christopher Gates on Mar 19, 2009 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintUnless you've been living under a rock for the past couple of weeks, you know all about the acrimonious situation between the Denver Broncos and their starting quarterback, Jay Cutler. The circus began when word leaked out that the Broncos and their new head coach, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, had tried to acquire Matt Cassel from New England before Cassel got shipped to Kansas City.
Ever since this took place, the Vikings have been near the top of the list of rumored destinations for Cutler. . .along with the Detroit Lions, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Cleveland Browns, and the Montreal Machine (straight up for Bjorn Nittmo, perhaps). But should the Vikings really be interested? There's at least one guy that doesn't think so.
Former NFL quarterback and current ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer doesn't think that Cutler would represent that big an upgrade, and verbalized as much in an interview on Wednesday.
"What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff," Dilfer said. "It's the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations.
''I think that Sage, Tarvaris and Jay Cutler are all in the same boat in that sense. None have proven they can do it a high level consistently. I don't think because Cutler is a marquee name that he brings you any more quality in those situations."
Yes, Cutler is a big name, and he put up some pretty big numbers in the Denver offense this year. However, keep in mind that the Broncos went into the the final three weeks of their season with an 8-5 record, a three-game lead over the San Diego Chargers, and needed to win just one of their final three games to secure a playoff spot. The Broncos ended up 8-8 after getting destroyed by San Diego in the season finale and watched the Chargers upset the Colts in the wild-card round of the AFC playoffs.
While some might see Cutler as the second coming of John Elway, Dilfer. . .among others. . .seems to think that he might be the second coming of Jeff George. George had all the physical talent in the world, a vastness between his ears rivaled only by the Serengetti, and the sort of prima donna attitude that alienated him from fans and teammates alike. Heck, I can't think about Jeff George without remembering the Vikings' game against the Rams where a fumble was loose on the turf and George just stood there and stared at it. Cutler is really starting to give off the same sort of vibe, in my opinion.
I understand that being a jerk and a prima donna doesn't preclude someone from being an outstanding quarterback. I also understand that it's not necessarily a requirement, either.
The asking price for this sort of attitude, by the way? Rumored to be a first-round draft choice. . .and a second-round draft choice. . .and a third-round draft choice. Yes, any team that's interested in acquiring Cutler from the Broncos will likely have to cough up their first three picks in the 2009 NFL Draft or subsequent drafts. There are very, very few players that are worth that level of compensation. . .and, quite frankly, Jay Cutler's name doesn't appear on that list, in my opinion. This draft is deep at positions the Vikings need help at, particularly at offensive tackle and wide receiver. Would it be worth passing up the opportunity to fill those two spots, and potentially a third with whoever we'd select with that pick, for a guy that, to be quite honest, might not be that large an upgrade over what we have now? (Not to mention what would likely have to be a sizable contract extension after he was acquired.)
Unless Cutler cuts the pouting act and mans up a little bit, I don't believe him to be worth that price.
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I agree
I`ve been saying this since cutler talk 1st came up. I don`t like his attitude and i don`t think he`s that much of an upgrade from sage to put up with it. pick up a reciever in draft and i`ll bet sage will do better than most think. I feel that filling other roster spot will better serve our bottom line, wr, ot, cb, c, de, and possibly rb.
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I also feel that
we can probably fill our future QB needs in next years draft, wich will be much deeper then this years. some quality starter types will almost certainly be available to us in the second or third round next year.
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I do want to clarify
I would still like to see us make a run for Cutler, he would help us win right now and for several years to come, but I would not give up a 1,2,3+ for him. That would be Hershal Walder all over again.
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by the Real Thor on Mar 19, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s basically how I feel. I’ve said I’d like for us to make a run at him, but a whole top half of the draft is way too much.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Mar 19, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler is not a cry baby. Let me tell you why hes right. When this whole thing broke down that he was gonna be traded the big problem the Bronco’s made which worsened the situation was when Cutler asked if he was being considered in a trade the Bronco’s denied it. Which was a lie and it later came to light that they did. Now if that happened to me and I asked and my team lied to me yeah id be flippin pissed and feel betrayed. Cutler’s right and I disagree that hes a cry baby.
the broncos
might have been wrong in how they approached the situation, but cutler is also wrong in his approach. acting like a little kid isn`t going to help his image in the long run and it might sour some of the players on the teams he might go to. we have probably all worked with someone like this and all end up loathing them in the end. whinners and pissy attitudes don`t make for an enjoyable place to play or locker room to be in.
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by williams wall on Mar 19, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Cutler didn’t play great the last three games. But his defense gave up 30 points, 30 points and 52 points in the last three games.
Assigning win-loss records to quarterbacks is silly whether you’re doing it to pump up Gus Frerotte or Tarvaris Jackson or tear down Jay Cutler. Cutler might not yet know how to lead his team to glory, but he’s only 25 and he hasn’t had any support from his defense like other successful young quarterbacks.
Bingo!
I agree 100%! Cutler has shown some prima donna attitude during the last month or so. Something that the Viking’s don’t need.
And thanks for reminding me of that special moment in Jeff George’s career. I was livid when he did that! He could sling the ball, but he had those little moments like that too, and they were infuriating!
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Agreed...
It’s funny, I had the same response to Dilfer’s comments. Last year as we got closer to the Allen trade, with it seeming uncertain until the final hour, I only became more excited. Honestly, the Cutler situation has been the opposite for me. Really, enthused at first. But, as time has gone on, and I’ve considered what we’d have to give up, and thinking about what we might get from a full draft class, and (I know this will draw sighs) remembering how good Tarvaris was in the last three regular season games, I’ve begun to realize I want my whiskey straight. No Cutler.
Jeff George
All I can remember about Jeff George is how he would fold up in the fetal position when he was about to be sacked. Kind of like Gus, but 5 seconds earlier.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Mar 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
Dilfer is 110% Right
He actually intimated a cutler, greenway trade would be fair, but we should not consider trading Chad. NO WAY Both Tavaris, and Sage, should read Zulgads Access Vikings blog. Either QB could thrive if they simply keep their composure on 3rd, and other critical downs. I think it says quite a bit about our QBs if Trent Dilfer does not see Cutler as an upgrade.
Simply
T-Jack’s been trying to master that for 3 years, with questionable success… I don’t think it’s a simple thing for a lot of these guys. They may be able to play (strong arm, accuracy, good footwork and mobility) but do they understand the game like the back of their hand, so much that it becomes instinct? That’s arguably the difference between a rookie and a vet; situational awareness. It includes understanding the check-downs to the point where they don’t stop and think, “Ok, who’s next, and where will he be?”; they just know where every receiver should be, every second of the play. If a QB is on the short side (around 6’ these days, they’re getting bigger and bigger now), he can’t even see over most of his linemen once the play is in motion! He’s looking for little windows of opportunity that better be where they’re supposed to be, or the play’s going to collapse. A QB’s got to have a mental map of the entire field of play that stays in motion in his head, even when he can’t see the players. It’s that “hearing footsteps” thing, knowing that a giant DE is about to crush you just because the last time you saw him, he was headed your way with no one to get in his way. So the QB side-steps or ducks, without wasting the time to turn and look at the on-coming train; he knows it’s got to be there and knows what he has to do. And that little matter of a set-piece offense… the pure beauty of a two-minute drill… a choreographed ballet of plays that everyone knows by heart, having run it again and again and again until they can force the ball downfield in the alotted time, and again, memorization to the point of instinct. Knowing where everyone’s going to be, every second of every play… And then there’s the speed thing. NFL playing speed is a lot faster than the college game and it takes some time to adapt to it. I’m sure you’ve been in situations where something critical was about to happen and the whole world seemed to move in slo-mo… a QB is real familiar with that place, once all the pieces fall into position and he’s ready. Complete situational awareness, moving slow enough that he can look at a dozen options, prioritize and pick the best of a bunch of bad choices and still have a good shot at success…
A simple thing? Yeah, it’s simple… if you’re ready. If you’re the real deal, a first-string caliber QB… Not so simple if you aren’t.
Dilfer’s insight has got to be taken into account and it’s pretty damning…
the last thing we need to deal with......
i agree wholeheartedly with what is being said!!!just like the circus that follows TO, i as a fan did not want to deal with Cuttlers hormones!!!! i was glad we did not get that p.o.s .owens and i will be glad if we stay out of the Cuttler chase!!! We are ready for a late season surge and i want no off the field bull@@@t!!!!
by norsemenxpress on Mar 19, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
"a vastness between his ears,
rivaled only by the Serengeti"
A top ten quote if I’ve ever seen one.
Cutler is a minor upgrade at best. And we can’t tie up $ for him and Sage, so Sage would have to go.
Cutler is a big
Upgrade over either TJack or Sage, and as far as the dollers go, Cutler is cost controled for the next 2 years. He is still on his rookie contract. obviously we would need to extend him, but not for an other year at least. I am not saying we should blow the draft to get him. Just lets be a little realistic in our assessments by using facts, not instint gut reactions.
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by the Real Thor on Mar 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
$ and upgrades
Cutler may be a bargain compared to Sage financially, but my point was not keeping BOTH on the roster. If you acquire Cutler , your big plan must have a way to get value in getting rid of Sage.
As for the relative upgrade on the field being minor or major; I will stick with my opinion.
They just signed Sage...
They wont be able to release/trade him without a huge hit to their cap since they re-signed him to a new, 3 year deal. I think they will look to move JDB, and let T-Jack / Sage duke it out for the 2nd string position.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Be smart
Cutler would be nice, but not smart. Hakeem Nicks in round 1 and Pat White, the playmaker in round 2. Its all smooth sailing from there!
Why Pat White?
The Vikings won’t run any semblence of the Wild Cat, and already have three average quarterbacks. Why would they want a slash type player?
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by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess Dilfer has a minor case
but Denver’s defense, not Cutler, allowed their opponents to score an average of over 37 points in those last three games. For the most part, he did all he could do.
Franchise QBs are hard to come by, which I’m sure all Vikings fans should be able to fully notice since we haven’t had one for more than a year or two in the last 30 years or so. So what if Cutler’s an arrogant cry baby? He’s arrogant for a reason: he’s goooood.
I don’t think I really agree that it will take a 1,2, and 3 to get him either. Remember when Matt Cassel and Julius Peppers were going to take first round picks?
Oh well, I can take him or leave him. We stand pat at QB again and Childress might be gone in a year or two. Then we can try to move on from the idiotic 59% west coast completion percentage QBs.
Agree. No way he commands a 1, 2, and a 3rd
Cassel got traded for a 2nd. And Vrabel was thrown in on the deal. I think it will take a 1st, CT, and a conditional pick next year. That does not seem like too much in order to bring in a franchise QB
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel was going to go for more than just a 2nd, but the Pats didn’t get the offer soon enough. And most people agree that the deal was a steal for the Chiefs. Or at least that the Patriots could easily have gotten more for Cassel if they had waited.
The Broncos aren’t going to give a “discount”-type of deal for Cutler.
So you think it will take a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd?
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
or some combination of players/picks that the Broncos deem to be of equal value. Either way, I think it would be overpaying for the guy. If we made that sort of deal, he had BETTER lead us to at least the NFC Championship game.
If you are correct...
I don not want to see the Vikings get him. A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is way too much. But I don’t think it is gonna be anywhere near that. A 1st, CT, and a 3rd next year would be more than enough to get him IMO
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 20, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that’s a bit much, to be honest. Chester Taylor should be worth at least a 2nd rounder. He can go in an be an instant starter, plus he’s had the past couple seasons off so he hasn’t worn down. He’s a bit old, but he has plenty of tread left and could have an immediate impact as a starter on any team that doesn’t have a marquee RB.
Comparing Cutler to Jeff George is a reach. I am for Cutler. Tavaris Jackson has shown nothing. The Vikings continue to dream that Tavaris is Mcnabb. It is not going to happen. It is going on 4 years! Sage is fine, but if the Broncos blow it and panic—the Vikings should be there to bring in Jay Cutler, the quarterback that I was hoping the Vikings would bring in. As far as all the press, Cutler has some growing up to do, but he will be fine. Denver and the new coach are blowing it. Also, Cutler is an amazing qaurterback. I don’t know what Trent Dilfer is watching or smoking, especially putting him in the same sentence as TJAX. Also, forget the record. Cutler was the whole team last year—remember NO DEFENSE, NO RUNNING BACKS. They had to bring in the practice squad & Tatum Bell to carry the rock (even Cutler was running them in and bootlegging more) and the D gave up an average of close to 40 a week in the final weeks. I have heard conflicting reports about Cutler in the locker room.
generlaly agree with most of your post
But you can’t say T-Jack has shown us nothing so far. He showed us quite a lot in the games he played in last season. He had some really good games, he had some alright games, and he had a horrible game against the 3rd best D in the league(Philly)
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Lots of Crazy Talk around here
I’m not a TJack hater like most Vikes fans these days, but I am extremely skeptical of Sage. Here’s a guy who hasn’t done a thing yet, even when given the chance he has under achieved. Now you have a guy, in Cutler, who is a proven stud QB. His last few loses shouldn’t even be looked at as his fault…PRO BOWLER for christs sake. If the price is too high I understand, BUT who ever says he’s a bad fit, needs his/hers head examined. The Lions would be smart to give up the #1 for him, and i believe barring a 3way deal to NYC, thats right where he will end up. Would you want a proven “Cutler” or Draft a “maybe-Cutler”? Because thats what Matthew Stafford “could be”. If anyone out there thinks Stafford is better than Cutler PLEASE explain. Seems like a no brainer for the Bronco’s and for the Lions.
by paintthenationpurple on Mar 19, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
haha thats so dumb, seriously.. Jay Cutler would absolutley be an upgrade, stop the nonsense
you should probably change the title to..
Trent Dilfer might be ON something.. probably meth.
Why would anyone take the advice of an ex QB like Trent Dilfer ? totally agree, obviously.
by paintthenationpurple on Mar 19, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but some of these comments are LAUGHABLE.
- Sage is what is referred to as a “Journeyman” player (look it up if you are lost)
- Jackson is a career back-up quality at best. If you know much about pro football and have watched him play full games, and still don’t see how poor his instincts are (still) then I can’t explain it to you.
- Jay Cutler is a top-flight pro Quarterback. If you have watched him play in college and the NFL and can’t recognize that, maybe you should go watch soccer and give up trying to understand football. There is a HUGE GAP in play between Cutler and the three Viking QB’s, at least as of today. He has a good reason for being angry, since he was LIED TO. That’s a pretty poor way to establish a relationship, let alone trying to acquire another QB to supplant him!
- The Viking shave a window of opportunity to make the Super Bowl a reality. This is the time to set the team up to make a run over this year and the next couple.
Please don’t insult my intelligence by making ridiculous comments and quoting a mental midget like Trent Dilweed. Christ, he was a crap QB who lucked out by being on a team with one of the absolute best Defenses in the history of the league. He is a nice fellow, but to quote his feeble opinion as though it mattered is ridiculous.
GET CUTLER and MAKE A RUN AT IT!
FIRE CHILDRESS at the end of the season, unless we get to the 2nd Round. With that schedule and if we get Cutler, we will be for real…and really dangerous.
Great post misterdizz...
Couldn’t agree more…you’re in fantasy land if you think Sage and/or TJack are comparable to Cutler. He’s only 25 and would be in a great position with a top 5 defense to take us to the SB. Denver’s D sucked so he’s throwing all the time (and oh yeah their running game sucked as well). I am not advocating selling the farm to get him, but let’s make a solid offer and pull off the 3-way with Cleveland (Cutler comes to MN., Cleveland gets draft pick(s) + player from MN. and Denver gets Quinn + whatever else they want).
Get it done!
Alright, you can’t for sure say Jackson’s going to be a career backup. Obviously you didn’t watch him at the end of last season, because if that was back-up quality play then I will be amazed to see what your starting QB would play like. He’d likely be from another planet.
That said, Cutler is a better QB than Jackson/Sage, no doubt about that, but how well will he do in our system? We really don’t call for many passing plays, and our recievers are fairly mediocre. If all we need is a guy who can take the occasional shot downfield while being fairly accurate on his other throws, then we have that in Sage. I know it’s been brought up repeatedly, but Frerotte was 8-3 as a starter on this team. I think we can all agree that Sage is more mobile than Frerotte, and more accurate to boot. I’d say he’s more prone to turn over the ball, but he faced some tough defenses filling in for Schuab and Frerotte was an int-machine. My point is, we might not need Cutler to be successful.
And Sage was Frerotte’s back up in Miami.
With a decent QB, there is nothing wrong with our WR corp
We don’t call many passing plays because Chilly doesn’t trust any QB he’s brought in
Frerotte was 8-3 as a starter. How many games did HE win? Maybe 1? How many games did HE lose? pretty much all 3.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 20, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Really!? Really?!
You’re going to let… trent dilfer, the guy who rode the raven’s defense coattails’ to the super bowl, a mediocre game manager in his own right, tell you that a promising young quarterback is on the same level as 2 fail qbs? Let me translate what his little quote means… “What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff,” Dilfer said. “It’s the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations.”
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Trent Dilfer’s stats 2000 Year w/ Ravens and SB
134/226 59.3% completion, 1502 yards, 12 TD, 11 INT, averaging 136.5 YPG at a stunning 76.6 QB Rating
Trent, stop confusing having a good defense w/ being a good game manager. In order to be the best game manager you can be, you need to be able to make all the throws, and be able to either move around in the pocket or scramble to make a play… it’s called the quarterback position. If you are slow and take a while to make decisions (Bledsoe), it will hurt your team. If you don’t have the best arm (Pennington), it will hurt your team. Cutler has neither of these issues, and doesn’t have any character issues, hell, I’d want to get out if my team had no defense, best WR likely suspended for a portion of the season, rookie HC who is 32 and unproven, Jim Bates left, JJ Arrington + Correl Buckhalter toting the rock. (things are looking up, LOL) etc. Let me bring in some final stats since people really like talking from their gut here.
Cutler 2008 (Third Year)
384/616, 62.3% completion, 4526 Yards, 25 TD, 18 INT, 282 YPG, 86 QB Rating
Broncos Defense 2008
Gave up 448 points, and allowed 5993 Yards, Ranking 30th in points, and 29th in yards.
Elway 1985 (Third Year)
327/605. 54.0% completion. 3891 Yards. 22 TD, 23 INT, 243.2 YPG, 70.2 QB Rating
Broncos Defense 1985
Gave up 329 points and 5179 Yards Resulting in a rank of 13 total points, 13 total yards,
Are you really going to tell me that a guy who got benched for Gus Frerotte, and a borderline journeyman QB in Sage Rosenfels, who has mediocre stats on a pretty darn good offense in the Texans (116/174. 66.7% Completion 1431 Yards, 6 TD, 10 INT), are better than a guy who almost made the playoffs with no feature running backs or D to speak of whatsoever?
by Doozer on Mar 19, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I’d take that competion % from a QB any day, thanks. We don’t need a super-QB, just an accurate one here.
Well, personally I wouldn’t have went after a turnover machine who was 2-4 on a pretty good Texans team w/ 14 turnovers in 6 starts. The completion % is misleading. He had multiple times to pull the job from Schaub’s feet and couldn’t deliver (Schaub has missed a portion of the past two seasons), and had one of the worst meltdowns in QB history against the Colts. You need a game manager, someone who won’t lose you games and can occasionally make a play for you, not someone who is erratic, and prone to making bad throws/decisions. Here’s a reminder of what we’re getting… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0 Personally, i hope he fails and childress gets fired so we can get a real coach while AP is still young and the oline/dline are still competitive.
He also played some of the best pass-defenses. That’s a pretty good completion % against the Ravens and Colts. Yeah, he blew it against the Colts and had a slew of turnovers against the Ravens. Hopefully he can tone those down. And no, he never really had a chance to steal the job from Schuab, otherwise he’d have been starting last season after taking them to a 4-2 ( I’m pretty sure that was the case ) record filling in.
Either way, he has the arm and the touch to connect on passing plays, and he’s pretty mobile. We could do alot worse than Sage.
Think he was 2-4 as starter in 2008. The reason Schaub wasn’t replaced was because the Texans realized what they had in Rosenfels, an adequate backup, journeyman QB. That’s saying a lot if you know of Schaub’s injury history. They even lowered the price for him when more starting tape of him was available in 2008 from 2007… yaaaaaaaay. On the plus age isn’t a concern, and he’s familiar with the west coast offense… but Chilly is still the head coach. We don’t need a retread, people. Still can’t believe that people will be happy to have a mediocre qb He did go 4-5 in 2007 when he got considerable pass attempts in the game (<15).
As for his completion %, andre johnson and owen daniels are nice security blankets.
Over the past three years he’s also 1-5 in games decided within 7 points or less… ouch, not quite the game manager after all. As for a lot worse than Sage? Name 8 NFL teams that would rather have Sage than their current starter?
Last point, have you seen any serious progression as a QB from sage in the past 2-3 years? He got considerable playing time in the past two.
I would give a one 3rd round pick
for Cutler and that is it. No player, no other picks.
Are you serious?
That’s just crazy. No more needs to be said
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Mar 19, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Trent Dilfer Might Be On To Something
I got a nice Peterson jersey from sport-jerseys.biz.
To play a little Devil's Advocate...
Just because you don’t like him as a player doesn’t mean he doesn’t know his stuff.
Great QB =/= Great Analyst
They do not correlate whatsoever. Completely different skill set. And say what you will, but the guy was an NFL Quarterback. That’s more than any of us can ever say, so you have to respect him for that. Well, you don’t have to, but you probably should.
Most people think that Matt Millen is an amazing football commentator and analyst, but he was an absolutely horrible GM. Just because you don’t like Trent Dilfer as a player and he disagrees with everyone’s thought that the Vikings should mortgage their future to get Cutler, that doesn’t mean he’s a terrible analyist.
I tend to agree that getting Cutler would be a significant upgrade, but by no means should we give up more than our first and maybe a third. If it means more than that, then I say no. The draft is necessary for depth, special teams, and filling holes.
Plus, it would make draft day pretty boring, right? Ha.
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Yes and no. I think we can agree that most great players are usually able to analyze the game very well, or else they wouldn’t have had that success in the first place. (Especially at the QB position) Whether or not they are able to translate what they see/feel to the English language (see emmitt smith) is a different case altogether. I know it was rather misleading to show Trent’s awful stats from his first year, but too many people are getting good defenses confused with good quarterbacking. Trent Dilfer was not a very good QB in the league, and from what I can tell, Dilfer’s quote is a strange reflection on Dilfer’s year in 2000 (hence why i brought it up). He has nothing sound to back his quote up, put Cutler on the steelers/titans/viking/pats/chargers/ravens etc and people will be talking super bowl… (not that hes better than big ben [i think so] or brady, just talking about surrounding talent. Its not his fault he had a shitty shitty defense. I do agree about the picks, 1, 3, 5 is high as I’d go, maybe ship a first and chester, really don’t think chester has much more value than a 4th though.
Get Cutler
I haven’t watched enough of Cutler to say whether or not Dilfer’s on target, but his opinion carries the weight of someone who’s actually played the position, with a significant degree of success. But for the sake of argument… let’s say that Dilfer’s right.
GET CUTLER.
Because Cutler, with all the issues that Dilfer says he has, still made the Pro Bowl, still posted a 86 QB rating with a questionable around him, and he’s just completed his 3rd year. In Cutler, we see progress, we see a starting QB, and a probably franchise QB that will be with the Vikings for more than a decade. Do you expect a 3rd year QB to have the poise and situational awareness of a 10 year vet? No. Yet Cutler’s clearly doing something very right. Proven ability, proven durability, proven progress.
If Dilfer’s wrong, Cutler’s just that much better a choice!
No matter how you slice it, Cutler is a huge upgrade over what we have, he’s the QB that can give the Vikes a shot at the Super Bowl for the next few years as a minimum. It’s time to get beyond being merely ‘competitive’, and become the best.
GET CUTLER.
There’s absolutely no way in he!! that our 1st and 2nd round draft picks, this year, at #22, along with CT, is worth more than what we’d get with Cutler. It’s not even remotely the same as the Walker debacle, btw.
I don’t care if he has not been to the playoffs. Denver has been one of the of the worst defences in the league for the past two years. No QB in the league can get too far with a bottom ranked D.
Dilfer sucked but the D in Batimore got him a ring.
That's the thing
He’s never won anywhere.
It reminds me of what Shaquille O’Neal said before he got his first ring with the Lakers.
“I’ve been a winner at every level except for college and the pros.”
Thus far, Cutler is the same way. He didn’t win at Vanderbilt. . .and I don’t want to hear “it’s Vanderbilt,” because nobody else made his decision about where to go to college. . .and he hasn’t won in Denver.
I wouldn’t be sad if we got him or anything. . .but I don’t think we need to be paying the outrageous price that Denver is more than likely expecting.
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by Christopher Gates on Mar 21, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
There are way too many rednecks in this state for Travaris Jackson to succeed here. Remeber Daunte? The guy went to three Pro Bowls and was runner-up for the league MVP. He would have been booed out of town had he not gotten hurt after struggling for a third of a season after some IDIOT traded Randy Moss (yeah that guy obviously had nothing left) away.
Did ya happen to see Rosenfels play last year. I think we can guess where the vastness between Jeff George’s ears has gone.
Perhaps Trent Dilfer is ON something.
Don't know about the rednecks, but....
… I agree with the comments about Moss and George.
Look, this franchise NEEDS to go after Cutler… for MANY reasons. Those reasons include:
- on-field needs (our WR crew will improve considerably with Cutler here year after year)
- off the field marketing (a shot of fresh enthusiasm will put fannies in the seats and move merchandise)
- stadium push will be revitalized as team improves and fans rally around a top-flight QB
- the pressure will be on Chilly and Bevell to show they can WIN more with a much-improved aerial game. If they fall on their faces, we get to go out and replace Childo with Shanahan, Cowher, or one of the other available coaches who have what it takes to bring home some rings.
GET CUTLER NOW.
A 3-team deal is the way to work this, and we will not have to destroy our nucleus or mortgage the team’s future if we get aggressive now and try to close a deal this month.
Trade for cutler
I would trade for cutler and give them sage and our no 1 pick they get a QB that coach josh can work with and the vikes get a QB that has never had a defense or a running game to really show his talent and the vikes would be a contender and childress can keep TJ as a backup as he doesnt want to admit he is wrong zigi please do it
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